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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: TimTimTimbo on June 08, 2023, 02:10:29 PM
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Plus 3 really good ones in Oak Grove Monday having their 1st starts
https://racing.ustrotting.com/chart.aspx
Most went in 2:01 or there abouts.
The one that he says is the best so far went 1:58 and change at Northfield last week. Came home in 27.2 easy. Pick Pocket, Him and Militant (Six Pack) are in Kentucky Monday along with a pacer named Arson.
How they turn out, who knows at this stage but it's fun watching all the babies from different stables and seeing what they can do
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Plus 3 really good ones in Oak Grove Monday having their 1st starts
https://racing.ustrotting.com/chart.aspx
Most went in 2:01 or there abouts.
The one that he says is the best so far went 1:58 and change at Northfield last week. Came home in 27.2 easy. Pick Pocket, Him and Militant (Six Pack) are in Kentucky Monday along with a pacer named Arson.
How they turn out, who knows at this stage but it's fun watching all the babies from different stables and seeing what they can do
Agreed! Both the big stables and the little guys have the same objectives.
The only difference is that the big guys get all the press and the little guy has to establish a very good horse before he gets press. When this happens, the big guys have enough money to acquire an already made horse without doing the work involved with this.
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And the only 'A' list driver to show up was Scott Zeron. And it looks like he drove many of Thestables' horses. Very interesting. Doesn't Zeron drive some of the Alagna stock in big races?
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I don't recall him doing that but I suppose its possible. Tetrick, The McCarthys, Doug McNair and even Joey B have won breeders crowns for him Scotty Z drives all of Toscano's good horses right now.
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And the only 'A' list driver to show up was Scott Zeron. And it looks like he drove many of Thestables' horses. Very interesting. Doesn't Zeron drive some of the Alagna stock in big races?
The stable has a bunch with Megan Scran and Scott
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Agreed! Both the big stables and the little guys have the same objectives.
The only difference is that the big guys get all the press and the little guy has to establish a very good horse before he gets press. When this happens, the big guys have enough money to acquire an already made horse without doing the work involved with this.
The big stables have the answer to killing off the little stables. Death by numbers.
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The big stables have the answer to killing off the little stables. Death by numbers.
The sad part about this is that you only hear about the numbers the big boys have--Burke, Alagna, et al and the ones who make it big. The others that don't make it go down in oblivion.
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And the only 'A' list driver to show up was Scott Zeron. And it looks like he drove many of Thestables' horses. Very interesting. Doesn't Zeron drive some of the Alagna stock in big races?
Zeron Does drive or did drive quite a few for Alagna
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Anthony and Scott Zeron talking about the qualifiers and how bad the track was. Deep and the water truck was broken down so the times were slow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Fi7L5qXes&t=593s
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Anthony and Scott Zeron talking about the qualifiers and how bad the track was. Deep and the water truck was broken down so the times were slow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Fi7L5qXes&t=593s
Let's horse that there were no major injuries after qualifying on a bad track.
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Let's horse that there were no major injuries after qualifying of a bad track.
From my own experiences.
It is the (hard) fast raceway tracks that break down the horses. IMHO It is the SPEED that does the damage.
Several years back I raced two colts, two heats a day all summer long at the fairs(Bullrings). Their first starts at Maywood. One bows a tendon the other cracks a bone in his knee.
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From my own experiences.
It is the (hard) fast raceway tracks that break down the horses. IMHO It is the SPEED that does the damage.
Several years back I raced two colts, two heats a day all summer long at the fairs(Bullrings). Their first starts at Maywood. One bows a tendon the other cracks a bone in his knee.
One more speed kills example.
Sp Park mid 80's.
I am sent a 4 year old mare that had raced only at fairs. She is undefeated at four with a track record.
She is nw a pm and much the best.
We are winning for fun when just before the wire I sence a problem. Turning around I am thinking how am I going to get back to the winners circle? She is broken bone lame, but I hurry her to the circle.
The owner is all excited, Pete Longo is taking the picture, and I am worried I will never get her off the track. Gutsy as she was we get back to the paddock. DR. Smith says "Is she alright"? I say "Hell NO".
Turns out she had broken a sesamoid just before the wire.
Sound two heats at the bad fair tracks, but breaks a bone first time Sportsman's Park.
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training all winter , fast miles on a hard half mile track
that usually doesnt end well
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Shit happens what what was the time allowed for qualification, with the track issues?
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His Walner Colt Pick Pocket should have won today in his 1st start. Got into traffic trouble and finished second
How the heel did Anothony only pay $85,000 for Pure Country's three quarter brother and Charleston's 3/4
This thing was impressive with a sharp last Quarter in 26 and change, blowing by Andy Miller's horse
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The horse that beat pick pocket is no push over.
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Anthony and Timmy T talking about the Pick Pocket races. AMac said he didn't push Pick Pocket and could have won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmFqw8Q0X-A
Tetrick drove the winner in the Pick Pocket race and said if he owned Pick pocket, he would be doing double backflips, LOL
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AMac said he could have won but did not push Pick Pocket...who is he kidding. Amac is king of the qualifiers, fairs and NW1. Wonder how long he can continue to blow smoke at his sheep before the house of cards crumble. Why in any interview is he never asked about income and expenses? How much did the Stable.ca lose last year...2M-3M meanwhile he is laughing all the way to the bank
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AMac said he could have won but did not push Pick Pocket...who is he kidding. Amac is king of the qualifiers, fairs and NW1. Wonder how long he can continue to blow smoke at his sheep before the house of cards crumble. Why in any interview is he never asked about income and expenses? How much did the Stable.ca lose last year...2M-3M meanwhile he is laughing all the way to the bank
Sounds like sour grapes from you?
He will have by far his most successful year this year and I do not own any shares in anything.
He's got a bunch of good ones. He sure got some great bargains from these past sales. And he has a few clients with big dollars who own chunks of some of them. No necessarily fractional ownership as many are.
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No sour grapes on my part as I own nothing with him..I just hate to see people get ripped off. As far as this being his most successful year thats not saying much given his past history and the $$$ he spent at the sales. I have no idea why anyone would pay Amac to fly to tracks to drive as at best he is a C driver. According to Amac, his words, not mine each horse costs between $35K to $40K a year to keep...you do the math.
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No sour grapes on my part as I own nothing with him..I just hate to see people get ripped off. As far as this being his most successful year thats not saying much given his past history and the $$$ he spent at the sales. I have no idea why anyone would pay Amac to fly to tracks to drive as at best he is a C driver. According to Amac, his words, not mine each horse costs between $35K to $40K a year to keep...you do the math.
I have to agree. I understand it's a way for some people to get involved, but the costs are too high for me. His share prices are inflated based on what he actually paid for the horses. Most trainers will basically just give you a percent of the actual auction cost. Plus, I'm sure his living and traveling expenses are calculated into his training cost. Might be right for some, but for me I would rather pay direct training expenses. It's hard enough to try and recoup some of your cost without paying the extras.
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AMac said he could have won but did not push Pick Pocket...who is he kidding. Amac is king of the qualifiers, fairs and NW1. Wonder how long he can continue to blow smoke at his sheep before the house of cards crumble. Why in any interview is he never asked about income and expenses? How much did the Stable.ca lose last year...2M-3M meanwhile he is laughing all the way to the bank
No sour grapes on my part as I own nothing with him..I just hate to see people get ripped off. As far as this being his most successful year thats not saying much given his past history and the $$$ he spent at the sales. I have no idea why anyone would pay Amac to fly to tracks to drive as at best he is a C driver. According to Amac, his words, not mine each horse costs between $35K to $40K a year to keep...you do the math.
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I know 3 people who own shares in horse and they tell me Amac bills for everything including the air he breathes. think people buy in so they can tell their friends they own part of a racehorse but never mention the %. I will give Amac credit he has devised a great scam where he and only he is guaranteed to make $$
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Calhoun, believe me when I tell you I am not him but then again like some people on this forum never let the facts get in the way of what you are trying to sell!!
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HIS TROTTER WAS HUGE YESTERDAY AT OAK GROVE I THOUGHT LITTLE TRICKY AROUND FINAL TURN BUT OTHERWISE LOOKED NICE
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Yep, gonna have to be a good one to beat Pick Pocket. Nice mile 56 and 2. AMAC said he's the best
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Amac is right on schedule for the owners to lose $2M-$3M this year while his 401K increases by about $500K.
Why would anyone pay his inflated expenses to fly/drive to any track rather than let someone better (which is not hard) drive the horses? Have you ever noticed that Twaddle never lets Amac drive any of his horses when Amac is at the Meadows? At least Twaddle knows better
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Amac is right on schedule for the owners to lose $2M-$3M this year while his 401K increases by about $500K.
Why would anyone pay his inflated expenses to fly/drive to any track rather than let someone better (which is not hard) drive the horses? Have you ever noticed that Twaddle never lets Amac drive any of his horses when Amac is at the Meadows? At least Twaddle knows better
LOL, I don't have to go far to prove you wrong here
https://racing.ustrotting.com/chart.aspx
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OK, I'll play along...what chart am I looking at?
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Agreed! Both the big stables and the little guys have the same objectives.
The only difference is that the big guys get all the press and the little guy has to establish a very good horse before he gets press. When this happens, the big guys have enough money to acquire an already made horse without doing the work involved with this.
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I did take the time to look up Amacs main trainer, McGinnis and he is slighty behind Burke with $272K of earnings so far this year which I think may cover 1 months training for the Stable.Ca. But like most don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. I did notice that you conveniently failed to comment on Twaddle.
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I did take the time to look up Amacs main trainer, McGinnis and he is slighty behind Burke with $272K of earnings so far this year which I think may cover 1 months training for the Stable.Ca. But like most don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. I did notice that you conveniently failed to comment on Twaddle.
Click on the link and see who the trainer was. I let the facts speak
Conditions: CD 2YO COLT & GELDING MAIDEN (PA SIRED OR OWNED)
Gait: TrotPurse: 9,000Class: 2YOC&GDistance: 1 mileTrack Cond: FTTemp-Allow: 74-0Off Time: 6:00 PM
HN Horse PP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Finish Actual LQ Odds Driver Trainer
4 Vaquero Blue Chip
2, Father Patrick-
Southwind Catlin 4 3/2H 1/1H 1/1H 1/2H 1/3 1:59.1 29.4 *2.00 Anthony Macdonald Tim Twaddle
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You must be a member of the Stable.Ca so I try and go real slow for you. Vaquero Blue Chip is TRAINED by Twaddle but OWNED by the Stable.Ca. I said that ANY horse TRAINED by Twaddle and NOT owned by the Stable.Ca is never driven by Amac since Twaddle knows what a C- driver Amac is but Twaddle is more than willing to take his money.
Next "fact" you care to present or maybe you can comment about Amac and Palermo screwed the partners on the 60K Yonkers trotter that turned out be worth not even $20K
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You must be a member of the Stable.Ca so I try and go real slow for you. Vaquero Blue Chip is TRAINED by Twaddle but OWNED by the Stable.Ca. I said that ANY horse TRAINED by Twaddle and NOT owned by the Stable.Ca is never driven by Amac since Twaddle knows what a C- driver Amac is but Twaddle is more than willing to take his money.
Next "fact" you care to present or maybe you can comment about Amac and Palermo screwed the partners on the 60K Yonkers trotter that turned out be worth not even $20K
Why would he have AMAC drive his horses there when he has his regular drivers and AMAC is only there a handful of times each month. AMAC himself doesn't rate his driving compared to the top drivers. No, I do not have horses and am not a member of the Stable.
And which 60k trotter at Yonkers are you talking about?
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My point being Twaddle knows Amac cannot drive otherwise he would use him regardless of a regular driver or to be more specific Twaddle wants to do whats best for his horses and thats not Amac. I am going to look up the trotter and will let you know as soon as I confirm his name
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OK, The horses name is High Gear No Fear. Here are the facts but feel free to check me out if you like. Amac buys the horse from one his best friends Steve Palermo in June 2021. Amac paid $60K for the horse. HGNF made $1408 the remainder of 2021, not quite enough to pay for the scoping and blood work charges. HGNF was then sold in June of 2022 after earning about 10K again not even close to paying the training bill. HGNF was then sold for under $20K leaving the partners holding the bag. You connect the dots