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Title: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Open bridle on March 12, 2023, 10:40:15 AM
Seems every trainer has their own method of training them down to get them to the races. But a lot of babies don't make it due to injury, etc.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Ohracing on March 12, 2023, 10:55:28 AM
There is obviously skill involved but luck plays a bigger part.  If any of these trainers think its all them they are confused.  All the trainers have horses the bought that don't turn out to be any good that they thought would be good or they wouldn't have bought them.  Anymore most horses are pretty natural and can get to qualifying time pretty easily you have no idea which ones are going to continue to progress or level off.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Mailbox Money on March 12, 2023, 01:16:52 PM
To many press on as spring arrives. With speed comes soreness. Alot of folks aren't willing to give time off to heal and small setbacks turn into bigger problems with gait and attitude. I'd rather miss a week or two in early spring than an entire summer!
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Third Over on March 12, 2023, 01:29:27 PM
I say mostly luck..cuz actually only 10-15% make a profit and skill can't fix everything that can go wrong.
 
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Parked on March 12, 2023, 01:43:09 PM
I stick with trainers with 20 to 25 horses. I have more of a success rate for my type of yearlings (25 - 50,000  SS programs) than with the survival of the fittest type. just get a trainer who has the same philosophy  as you about when its time to go on or back off.  I always have the last word.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Open bridle on March 12, 2023, 01:43:32 PM
To many press on as spring arrives. With speed comes soreness. Alot of folks aren't willing to give time off to heal and small setbacks turn into bigger problems with gait and attitude. I'd rather miss a week or two in early spring than an entire summer!
I heard one trainer is already at 2:15 with his babies. That seems awful fast this time of the year. But he has trained a horse of the year and some nice grand circuit horses. Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Open bridle on March 12, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
I stick with trainers with 20 to 25 horses. I have more of a success rate for my type of yearlings (25 - 50,000  SS programs) than with the survival of the fittest type. just get a trainer who has the same philosophy  as you about when its time to go on or back off.  I always have the last word.
I agree. You really wonder if these high end trainers with the large stables are worth their training fees.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: jupiter on March 12, 2023, 04:09:57 PM
Heard Burke was in 15, 2wks ago.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Open bridle on March 12, 2023, 04:15:13 PM
Heard Burke was in 15, 2wks ago.
I would think 15 in Florida on a mile track might be equal to higher times on a smaller track up north.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: LUCPARK on March 12, 2023, 04:49:43 PM
Nobody in Florida is at 215

Stop

Most between 230 and 225

I just visited three farms
There
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Open bridle on March 12, 2023, 05:20:04 PM
My trainer said he talked to two very well know trainers on the east side of Florida and both in 225. Not Burkes. But was told another top tier trainer was in 215 which we scratched are heads why.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: ferdinand the bull on March 12, 2023, 06:17:20 PM
My trainer said he talked to two very well know trainers on the east side of Florida and both in 225. Not Burkes. But was told another top tier trainer was in 215 which we scratched are heads why.
Let's see where they're at August throughout October when they get paid
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Jazzman on March 12, 2023, 06:19:50 PM
100% luck worked for some large colt stables its all about the numbers
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Gasman401 on March 12, 2023, 06:53:12 PM
most can race at  2 but few are great   jmo
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: PrincessDi on March 12, 2023, 06:56:51 PM
Let's see where they're at August throughout October when they get paid

Guess they won’t be around then if they miss the Mark! Most babies require time, patience and knowledge. Anyone can get lucky but when you shoot blanks you always come up with nothing. Right Ferdinand?
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: ferdinand the bull on March 12, 2023, 08:15:41 PM
Guess they won’t be around then if they miss the Mark! Most babies require time, patience and knowledge. Anyone can get lucky but when you shoot blanks you always come up with nothing. Right Ferdinand?
Do you have any shares in the game
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: Parked on March 12, 2023, 10:57:15 PM
I would think 15 in Florida on a mile track might be equal to higher times on a smaller track up north.

Burkes track in Fl is a 5/8 th
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: The Exporter on March 13, 2023, 05:55:15 AM
In Aiken, S.C. Saturday at their annual matinee races, 2 year olds were going in 2:27-2:30. It is a mile red clay track.
Title: Re: Skill or luck. What's more important to get these babies to the races?
Post by: truthisgrey on March 13, 2023, 06:10:09 PM
Nobody in Florida is at 215

Stop

Most between 230 and 225

I just visited three farms
There

Burke currently double headers 2:35, back mile in 2:20 in sets  tmbz1
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