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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: hot2trot on March 04, 2023, 02:30:28 AM
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saw SCMs video----said ford and schnitker roughed him up---- heard dave screaming he was gonna throw all of them out -- daves the nicest guy ever and reallty has only done good things for this sport and charity. these thugs need to be banned from meadowlands looked like dave glasser on team thug --- hopefully we dont have to deal with his dangerous cocky driving anymore time to set an example
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If this is true it it sounds like the buddies club is truly being exposed by this fella Mike everyone on here makes fun of and questions. It appears they may indeed are nervous that the truth about them is coming out. And it takes 2 guys to rough up a 70 year old man? We know fat Ford couldn’t whip anyone but takes 2 of you? Do they beat women to or just the elderly? After hearing this I hope they get what’s coming to them and believe me the real powers to be and not racetrack management, racing commissions or politicians are watching all this after the last round was sentenced as they see horse racing as a breeding ground for corruption.
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And the anonymous new posters here will keep up their attacking bullshit. Looks like they might be on the wrong end of the info
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Dave is very good guy, these guys need to be taken out of our sport
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How stupid are those 2 if this is true? And bullying an old man? That's a special kind of asshole. As state previously, I never said SCM was making this shit up, I said he has an agenda and it's not saving horses.
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I've heard Yarock is a decent guy. If this is true he needs to press charges. Are there cameras all over? And what constitutes "roughed" up? The old guy shouldn't have to put up with that just because he hitched his wagon to a loser like SCM.
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Mike I don't know where ur info from another country is coming from but several people including myself saw and heard went on last night...don't make it sound like Yarock is the victim here...honestly I don't know what Ford was goin on about but we did hear Ray say "who the f$@k is this jerkoff" them bunch of yelling Yarock then says to Ray "what u wanna go? U wanna go?" actually pushed Rays chest albeit not enough to do anything and Ray re-acted as he should have...Got Yarock down on ground and he's yelling "HELP HELP they are trying to get me" ask Yogi he say it all as did myself and others..P.S. if this was 15 years ago there would have been no yelling just a classic Ray ass kicking!!!
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Only going to respond ONCE here because this isn't funny. Dave just texted me at 4:24am still upset to tell me "I want to confirm what happened last night. I was verbally harassed twice last night by Ford and verbally and physically assaulted by Schnitker. Why,Because I have the audacity to speak my mind and associate with you". Statements were taken last night. His wife wants him out of the game. He is also ready to press charges and calling Gural to tell the whole story of not just last night but what all led up to this and spoke to Settlemoir for hour and half. The man never deserved any of this. All I am going to say.
Also. I told all of you. Warned everyone what these people do and are capable of. Will stop at nothing to keep people in fear and quiet. What will it take? Someone in the hospital or worse? Thank God they did this in the open where people were able to intervene. Anyone wants the updates come.to my Facebook page or Youtube. Told ya so...
Sounds like you've touch on a nerve. Keep digging , if they're trying to shut you up there's a lot more to it
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Mike I don't know where ur info from another country is coming from but several people including myself saw and heard went on last night...don't make it sound like Yarock is the victim here...honestly I don't know what Ford was goin on about but we did hear Ray say "who the f$@k is this jerkoff" them bunch of yelling Yarock then says to Ray "what u wanna go? U wanna go?" actually pushed Rays chest albeit not enough to do anything and Ray re-acted as he should have...Got Yarock down on ground and he's yelling "HELP HELP they are trying to get me" ask Yogi he say it all as did myself and others..P.S. if this was 15 years ago there would have been no yelling just a classic Ray ass kicking!!!
If this is true then SCM and Yarock have absolutely zero credibility ever again. Again, are there cameras in the area? If so, they will tell the truth! Don't know what to believe as much as these stories differ.
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Just watched SCM's video on this and could he be any more dramatic? Attacked? I heard from a couple guys racing there that Yarock got in Ray's face and then got pinned up against a wall and started crying for help. I also heard that Ford and Ray were harassing the old guy and when he spoke back, he got pushed against the wall. Who the hell knows what actually happened. Seems like you get a slanted view based on who is telling the story. SCM is clearly biased. But so are others who are in favor of Ford and Ray. Can anyone who was actually there shed some light on this?
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And the anonymous new posters here will keep up their attacking bullshit. Looks like they might be on the wrong end of the info
Isn’t everyone but a couple people on here anonymous?? Btw my name is Clay Smith. I don’t care to be anonymous
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No one even knows who this guy Petrelli is? People know the name because of all the races his brother Frank won. He’s the true horseman here. Mike is a bust out loudmouth deadbeat dad and always was living in Franks shadow with a huge chip on his shoulder.
This is Yarock’s fault he should be smart enough to stay far away from Mike Petrelli
Nothing good can come of it.
“If you hang around dogs you get fleas”
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I heard Yarock was coached by potrelli to try and start some nonsense with the Goshen guys and he did. Problem is he’s shouldn’t of gotten in Rays face saying you wanna go, you wanna go in a threatening manner. Ray laughed it off and cussed out the old man Yarock. Folks, this is all SCM’s idea to get some more momentum going again as he’s losing at every corner. Just as harness racer says, SCM isn’t trying to save horses. He’s got a vendetta against the guys from Goshen, particular Ford, Schnittker, and Jones. No story here folks. Just Yarock and SCM trying to start some nonsense. Yarock needs to do what the other 97% of true horsemen have done..... distance himself from SCM as it will drag him down the tubes because of his personal vendettas.
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Some of his statements during the video are curious (per the usual).
Like “NOT” threatening to share what happened last night with his people (contacts- media and otherwise) if The Big M executives don’t do what he asks.
Is he telling us his people (contacts- media and otherwise) aren’t already following his YouTube and/or Facebook pages? Does he have to give them the OK?
All that said - like Sweden (is it Sweden?) I’m neutral.
No where near enough information to judge this.
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Some of his statements during the video are curious (per the usual).
Like “NOT” threatening to share what happened last night with his people (contacts- media and otherwise) if The Big M executives don’t do what he asks.
Is he telling us his people (contacts- media and otherwise) aren’t already following his YouTube and/or Facebook pages? Does he have to give them the OK?
All that said - like Sweden (is it Sweden?) I’m neutral.
No where near enough information to judge this.
Couldn't agree more. There is due process in this country and SCM has them convicted already. Probably shouldn't have touched an old man, but if he was in someone's face looking for trouble, he got it. Again, no clue what parts of this are 100% true if any. SCM's version and the people who hate SCM have very different versions. The truth most likely is somewhere in between. BigM just like any other business has to do an investigation before making any decisions because they could be sued for jumping to conclusions. They can't just take the word of one party. All will be interviewed as well as witnesses. Just how it works SCM. Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda.
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In order to understand this thread, and others, who or what is SCM? Tx
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Shopping Cart Mike...aka Mike Petrelli. A blowhard with an axe to grind against Mark Ford, Ray Schnittker, and Steve Jones for booting him off Goshen historical track for having a big mouth.
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Very few on here really know what is what, who did what and. Who said what. SCM says what he knows and what has been told him (right or wrong).
SCM puts everything on the table. The others don’t. Thats their prerogative. SCM has had meetings with Meadowlands management and we have to expect the others have had some contacts also. Like many I’d like to hear their side but respect their choice to not respond.
I have been watching this from day 1. Really thought it would blow over but looks like it started blowing up last night.
I’m giving it a couple more weeks to see if the boiling pot settles down or boils over..
Interesting but not amusing. Don’t see any winners here.
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Daves a nice guy..fuck them rodents
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Schnittker is no saint.
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i have to say
no hands should have been put on anyone in the paddock thats kinda a big no no
if the bigm wanted to go hard they could actually ban whom ever at fault from being in the paddock again
its how strict ,,bigm is going to go at it..
IF YAROCK WANTS TO GO REALLY HARD HE CAN PRESS CHARGES AND SUE...
ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON FOR AN ASSAULT ON A PERSON ANY PERSON,
ITS ON CAMERA ,,CAMERA DONT LIE,,
BIGM'S TIME TO STEP UP ..
THIS ISNT THE NONSENSE CRAP THAT ALWAYS GOES ON ON PLOPS THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF..
HOPE OLD MAN IS OK tmbz1
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So we are just saying the old fella didn't instigate this in any way? I agree they shouldn't have touched him, even if he got in someone's space. I'd love to see the video(especially if it had audio). We will never get the 100% actual story.
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i have to say
no hands should have been put on anyone in the paddock thats kinda a big no no
if the bigm wanted to go hard they could actually ban whom ever at fault from being in the paddock again
its how strict ,,bigm is going to go at it..
Big M between rock and hard spot. They have to put all the facts on the table and make the right decision amd do that quickly. They have done that before with the drivers.
How about the Racing Commission ? If their decisions on this matter are no better than on race placing decisions that can be disregarded.
IF YAROCK WANTS TO GO REALLY HARD HE CAN PRESS CHARGES AND SUE...
ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON FOR AN ASSAULT ON A PERSON ANY PERSON,
ITS ON CAMERA ,,CAMERA DONT LIE,,
BIGM'S TIME TO STEP UP ..
THIS ISNT THE NONSENSE CRAP THAT ALWAYS GOES ON ON PLOPS THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF..
HOPE OLD MAN IS OK tmbz1
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Didnt scrappy shitger have a scrap with Marks at one time.
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Didnt scrappy shitger have a scrap with Marks at one time.
I think he's had some dust ups with several.
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Will bigm mention this in their telecast tonight?
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i have to say
no hands should have been put on anyone in the paddock thats kinda a big no no
if the bigm wanted to go hard they could actually ban whom ever at fault from being in the paddock again
its how strict ,,bigm is going to go at it..
IF YAROCK WANTS TO GO REALLY HARD HE CAN PRESS CHARGES AND SUE...
ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON FOR AN ASSAULT ON A PERSON ANY PERSON,
ITS ON CAMERA ,,CAMERA DONT LIE,,
BIGM'S TIME TO STEP UP ..
THIS ISNT THE NONSENSE CRAP THAT ALWAYS GOES ON ON PLOPS THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF..
HOPE OLD MAN IS OK tmbz1
My rule has always been if someone gets within arms reach and is aggressive and threatening you, you put him down. So I’m giving Ray a pass until I hear from a credible source, ie not SCM.
Also if you’re an old man, you know what you’re asking for if you get in a guys face.
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My rule has always been if someone gets within arms reach and is aggressive and threatening you, you put him down. So I’m giving Ray a pass until I hear from a credible source, ie not SCM.
Also if you’re an old man, you know what you’re asking for if you get in a guys face.
I usually would agree with you. But it’s a different world today
But he’s still a 70 yr old guy
I don’t know what damage he could really do
I still say no person should be touched in the paddock
Take it outside of racing area.. if it’s that serious
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I usually would agree with you. But it’s a different world today
But he’s still a 70 yr old guy
I don’t know what damage he could really do
I still say no person should be touched in the paddock
Take it outside of racing area.. if it’s that serious
Or handle it like adults. Just an option.
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Will bigm mention this in their telecast tonight?
Never
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Crazy things sometimes happen people are threatened, even verbally.
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Will bigm mention this in their telecast tonight?
No shot they will mention this on the broadcast. You'll be lucky if there is anything ever released. BigM not suspending either of them. If they did they would welcome their beards! tmbz1
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mark ford and shitkicker are real assholes if true
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I usually would agree with you. But it’s a different world today
But he’s still a 70 yr old guy
I don’t know what damage he could really do
I still say no person should be touched in the paddock
Take it outside of racing area.. if it’s that serious
Why didn’t old man Yarock take his verbal threats outside of the paddock? The door swings both ways. None of this stuff belongs in the paddock. Take it all outside. Both parties are wrong here.
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Yarock probably ran some lip thinking they wouldn't make a scene in the paddock and he was wrong. All parties probably played a part!
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Didnt scrappy shitger have a scrap with Marks at one time.
If memory serves me correctly there was no scrap as Marks was screaming at him from the outside railing and Ray went and told on him and they removed him. Not a Marks fan at all but Schnittker not wanting any part of that and didn’t act like tough guy like he did with a 70 year old man.
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Heard same thing right after it happened. Ray was scared shitless! Josh is a nut!
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About 30 years ago schnitker got smart with carmine fusco and he picked him by his shirt collar. Schniiker shit his pants that night. Ask yannick what carmine did to him. Crazy shit back then.
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Or handle it like adults. Just an option.
like rounds with a time limit & a ref?
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like rounds with a time limit & a ref?
Oxygen tanks needed for Team SCM.
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where are Haku and Gagoots ??? surprised neither has weighed in....keep it up mike P - the truth hurts when it comes out...
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No shot they will mention this on the broadcast. You'll be lucky if there is anything ever released. BigM not suspending either of them. If they did they would welcome their beards! tmbz1
There is already something out about it. SCM.. and he’ll have more i am sure of that.
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If memory serves me correctly there was no scrap as Marks was screaming at him from the outside railing and Ray went and told on him and they removed him. Not a Marks fan at all but Schnittker not wanting any part of that and didn’t act like tough guy like he did with a 70 year old man.
Maybe the others started with some lip ? Tales 2 sides to start a fight.
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if the stories werent true ray and ford would not have tried to shut dave up
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if the stories werent true ray and ford would not have tried to shut dave up
Why didn’t SCM tell us when he was working for them and holding the horses that were being juiced? All of them are no good.
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Ray and Mark good peeps
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Maybe the others started with some lip ? Tales 2 sides to start a fight.
That’s possible last night. I’m not sure I wasn’t there but Marks was giving Ray plenty of lip service and he didn’t attempt to jump rather went and told authorities. So that’s all I’m saying. Ray obviously lil more frisky with a old man
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Heard same thing right after it happened. Ray was scared shitless! Josh is a nut!
Agree Marks is a nut and don’t play Ray for not wanting an azz kicking but even if this guy ran his mouth there is no excuse in putting hands on an old man. Not worth it. If this guy were to press charges judges don’t take kindly to any form of elderly abuse. Then again how is Ray? He’s no spring chicken
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About 30 years ago schnitker got smart with carmine fusco and he picked him by his shirt collar. Schniiker shit his pants that night. Ask yannick what carmine did to him. Crazy shit back then.
Now you’re talking about a whole different era and breed with those fellas. Those boys didn’t mess around
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20 years ago fighting among us carnival people was a common occurrence. Usually over some backside skank. I was out jogging one morning and a trainer comes up beside me and starts hitting me with his whip and threatening to kill me if I ever messed around with his wife ever again. This guy was a friend of mine and I drove 90% of his stock. His wife was a fine looking lady but I had a rule about staying away from wives. Especially if their husband's are putting money in my pocket. I knew who was banging his wife and it sure wasnt me. I figured I'd give him a day to cool off then try to talk to him but an hour later he finds me and said oops. Sorry. Anyone who has ever spent time in the barn area knows how rumors spread. Fucking carnival people.
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IT WILL NOT GO TO COURT.
THE BIGM WILL SETTLE QUEITLY
they dont want the bad publicity
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IT WILL NOT GO TO COURT.
THE BIGM WILL SETTLE QUEITLY
they dont want the bad publicity
Why would it go to court, did he press charges?
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Why would it go to court, did he press charges?
if he decides to press charges ,bigm will do its best to squash it
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There is a lot more to this than what happened Friday night. Other than a few posts on plop I believe this is the first response from anyone SCM has spoken of.
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First off this is terrible. Dave Y is and always has been a solid guy and a fan of the business. A contributor. Why he would hook up with Mike Petrelli is mind boggling. That is an entirely different subject. Mike came on and said Ford and Ray S have "warrants for arrest." Let me correct him. Again. They will be called for questioning as Dave Y has indeed pressed charges for whatever took place at M1. After the investigation, THEN the police will determine if there is enough to make arrests. The private properties have another Situation and can do as they please. We will see. Haku may be fiesty at times, but he tells the truth. Wait and see what really happened. And if Mark and Ray went too far then fuck them.
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Mike.P = "I don't want to have to expose you to (Gural/Meadowlands)
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Mike.P = "I don't want to have to expose you to (Gural/Meadowlands)
SCM is a fucking dipshit! Let's see some proof of these warrants moron. Not exactly how it works in most cases. Especially when guys who have some pull are involved.
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Bond (me) did some investigating--and heard from someone who witnessed this incident--it came about Yarock fronting Ford and Schnittker-about a horse he pulled out of a kill Pen. Apparently Ford and Schnittker used to have the horse-and Yarock was upset they didn't try to save it. Ford and Schnittker didnt take too kindly to the tone Yarock was taking and was getting in Rays face. I was told Ray threw a punch--but it was more of a retaliatory action-to get the guy out of his face.
Yarock started the BS-Ford and Schnittker-finished it.
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Bond (me) did some investigating--and heard from someone who witnessed this incident--it came about Yarock fronting Ford and Schnittker-about a horse he pulled out of a kill Pen. Apparently Ford and Schnittker used to have the horse-and Yarock was upset they didn't try to save it. Ford and Schnittker didnt take too kindly to the tone Yarock was taking and was getting in Rays face. I was told Ray threw a punch--but it was more of a retaliatory action-to get the guy out of his face.
Yarock started the BS-Ford and Schnittker-finished it.
Care to weigh in SCM? Bond is usually spot on when it comes to this stuff!
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SCM is convicting these people before they have even been charged. If they are guilty, I say stick it to them! Toss them out of the business and give them the fullest penalty possible. SCM is now back to his tough guy routine. Be professional and let the authorities handle this you moron. You could be hurting his case with all your nonsense.
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Can you clear some things up. Did Yarock actually sustain some kind of injury from Ray?
If not it's just Harassment which is a criminal court summons no prints no mugshots. They would go before the a criminal judge and tell their stories. Then the racing commission would do whatever they do. Sounds like alot of nothing, basic life stuff.
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In Delaware you can get charged with the lesser offense of offensive touching since he sustained no actual injuries. That is unless SCM coaches him up to create some. But as of now, no injuries have been mentioned. There is however, another charge of assaulting someone over the age of 62 in Delaware. Not sure if NJ is the same. But because this may not been an assault, not sure that type of charge would apply. Does sound like he'd have some grounds to file harassment charges, but that hasn't been mentioned either. That could be due to it being an exchange of words rather than one sided. Either way, it was stupid to put their hands on Dave. Like to see Ray and SCM go at it. They are a couple jerkoffs and we would all be winners if they both landed a few.
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Just trying to clear up what's going on. Don't have a dog in this fight, but was in Law Enforcement for 25 years and been around Harness Racing my whole life. I know of all the parties involved and 100% Ray and Mark should never of done that to Dave Yarock. For people who represent Harness Racing to do that is mind boggling. One word of caution don't put all your eggs in one basket in Bryce Cody or Jeff Gural, you may be frustrated they way I see them handling this. Good Luck!
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It's like this is the first fight at a track, NOT. There have been fights going on at tracks for ever. Testosterone gets flowing, mouths get running. somebody shoves some body and they get hit. Fine all of them! Yarock is just as culpable, don't ask if some body wants to go, and then bitch about it when he gets popped.
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These guys are lucky it's not fifty years ago. If my memory is right they found a body in the trunk of a car in Yonkers parking lot. One of the top drivers got a very bad beating going to the track or coming home from the track. Times have changed.
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These guys are lucky it's not fifty years ago. If my memory is right they found a body in the trunk of a car in Yonkers parking lot. One of the top drivers got a very bad beating going to the track or coming home from the track. Times have changed.
The Island Inn
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I agree with all of you. It happens all the time. But if you get the authorities involved it changes things. May not be the best way to go about it but people make their own decisions and we live in a different world now.
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You sure about that?? Really? A kill pen horse Ray and Ford had??? Bahahahaahahahaha hahaahah
Now pay attention moron....
The horse is Nowerland Nathan. A horse I helped Jimmy Nickerson with long ago when he was a hot four year old. I got along with him and calmed him down. Years later Yarock bought him for the amateur races. Older and two fingers. Last year he ended up in a kill pen, Dave rescued him. Two months ago he gave him to a home, lasted two days the horse took a chunk out of the new owner. Dave called ME, told me the story and when I heard it was Nathan I said bring him here immediately. The next day while Dave and I were in the field with the horses his phone rang. It was Ford, about ME. PISSED he was doing business with me. After two weeks of torturing, harassing and threatening the man I contacted TC Lane who got the word out and Ford backed off while a bunch of USTA directors called him asking "are you ok??". SO I ADOPTED NATHAN to really fuck with Ford. Ford even harassed Dave in the paddock waving a letter I send to the SBOANJ at him. Went so far as to call him multiple times saying he would send a truck and trailer to where I AM and take the horse to NEW HOLLAND TO HAVE KILLED and save him money. And then the other night I posted the phone call of Dave and I talking about all of it for all to hear, and Ford had his meltdown Friday night. So what does this mean???? YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR AND HAD NO FUCKING CLUE THE HORSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS MINE YOU JACKOFF. NEXT! ngc3
Quoting so everyone can see where you admit to adopting a horse to fuck with Ford instead of doing the responsible thing and finding him a real home.
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A friend of mine is very good friends with Cote. He basically told him that the meadowlands did their due diligence and filled out a report and interviewed all parties and witnesses. Not much of a story except grown ass people carrying on like little bitches. That goes for EVERYONE involved. Cote also said the meadowlands can’t involved in any of this other than passing along their notes to the NJRC for a final disposition. Also Cote said that he told all people involved they have the right to file reports with the police and sue each other until the cows come home and the meadowlands will happily comply with a court order of any and all of their records and notes on the aforementioned incident. Now it’s up to the parties involved to file their respective lawsuits and let the respective jurisdictional courts decide. The M can’t take sides and won’t take sides. Cote said they did their part.
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Why wood ray get involved with this
If it’s about saving a. Horse between yarock and nark
Way more to this story than just a horse
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Why wood ray get involved with this
If it’s about saving a. Horse between yarock and nark
Way more to this story than just a horse
Shouldn’t assume, but I suspect it goes back to the Historic Track days.
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Like others have mentioned, in the "old days" it was rare to involve authorities in a dispute. It got handled at the barns. I'm not saying that's tight and I sure agree with Mike that no one should live in fear of another person, but things sure have changed with social media. Everyone knows everyone else's business.
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Like others have mentioned, in the "old days" it was rare to involve authorities in a dispute. It got handled at the barns. I'm not saying that's tight and I sure agree with Mike that no one should live in fear of another person, but things sure have changed with social media. Everyone knows everyone else's business.
I agree with everything you said but we’re not in the old days. Like Cote said, just let them sue each other and let the courts handle it. The big m did their part and reports are filed and sent to the NJRC. Everyone can still call the police and file a report and let the courts decide. I will say this much. Dave Yarock was a pretty stand up guy until he started buying into Petrelli’s nonsense and vendetta against the Goshen guys. Not saying the Goshen guys are Saints because we all know they are trash. But Yarock has been around a long time and should know better then to buy into Petrellis bs. Just my opinion.
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so who is in charge of GSY now?
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so who is in charge of GSY now?
Petrelli. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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SBOANJ and USTA Directors should be above this…..
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SBOANJ and USTA Directors should be above this…..
So should GSY folks.
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Can Yarrock not apply for a restraint order if he feels threatened?
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Can Yarrock not apply for a restraint order if he feels threatened?
That’s a good question but I’m not sure if the meadowlands management then could do something like ban him under private property/ right to refusal law.
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No jail time
If anything comes of it
It’s
Supervision at best for ray
Yelling at someone is not illegal
Nothing going to happen to mark
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It's not even assault. He won't even get arrested.
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It's like this is the first fight at a track, NOT. There have been fights going on at tracks for ever. Testosterone gets flowing, mouths get running. somebody shoves some body and they get hit. Fine all of them! Yarock is just as culpable, don't ask if some body wants to go, and then bitch about it when he gets popped.
Do we know for fact Yarock said that? If he did and then called the cops...what a bitch move! Have a hard time believing that old guy asked someone if they wanted to go. ngc3
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Just watched dummy's newest videos. He all but admits nothing is going to happen. Couldn't they all get the couple hundred dollar fines like we see people get each week and that be it? No arrests will be made in something this minor. Be different if punches were thrown or Dave had some injuries. SCM should've had him take a dive! ngc3
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So should GSY folks.
Different levels ,,,
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Different levels ,,,
How do? Your job or position shouldn’t dictate how you conduct yourself. Just because you’re a director or for that matter, the President of the USTA, we are all human beings and everyone has to be accountable for their own behaviors/actions/choices. That applies to everyone including and elderly Folks.
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There is no excuse to put hands on a seventy year old man.
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Why is there so much bullshit on here if someone did some thing wrong they would be charged ,lets have facts did any one ask Mark or Ray what happened I bet no just toss your garbage out there for all the fruit cakes to eat.
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Why is there so much bullshit on here if someone did some thing wrong they would be charged ,lets have facts did any one ask Mark or Ray what happened I bet no just toss your garbage out there for all the fruit cakes to eat.
Thanks for adding more garbage.
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How do? Your job or position shouldn’t dictate how you conduct yourself. Just because you’re a director or for that matter, the President of the USTA, we are all human beings and everyone has to be accountable for their own behaviors/actions/choices. That applies to everyone including and elderly Folks.
Pretty funny coming from someone who has never been held accountable for all his racist posts!
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Ray isn't any youngster he's 65. He isn't going to take any shit, he does things his way, got a short temper and he's sarcastic. Years ago Paul Dougherty told me Ray would do anything for somebody, Paul was a stand up guy. But if ya fuck with him he's not gonna back down no matter who you are.
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Cote also said the meadowlands can’t involved in any of this other than passing along their notes to the NJRC for a final disposition.
The M can’t take sides and won’t take sides.
This is bad news for Shopping Cart Mike.
Just a couple days ago, SCM was demanding Meadowlands get involved and make things right.
Of course that means, at least to me, that SCM was expecting a little something for his efforts and troubles.
Oh, per SCM protocols, if I'm wrong about any of this, I hereby proclaim I am heretofore and henceforth correcting myself in real time.
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Pretty funny coming from someone who has never been held accountable for all his racist posts!
HIS RACIST POSTS NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME. SADLY THE GUY ACTS LIKE HE HAS SOME INTELLIGENCE BUT A BRICK MUST OF FELL ON HIS HEAD. MAYBE THE SMARTEST RACIST I'VE EVER SEEN. SMH HIS LASTEST IS DIRECTED TOWARD THE BLACK AND ASIAN PEOPLE.
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why was little ray involved? what does he have to do with this?
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SCM has officially lost it! The guy is on full tilt and needs some help. He is completely consumed with Mark Ford, even more than usual. Hopefully this was an eye opener for Yarock. Get as far away as possible and let people that actually know what they are doing deal with Mark and the rest of the scumbags. See SCM, I referred to them as scumbags because they are. I know you like to twist people's words a lot and act like they are siding with these scumbags just because they don't agree with you. I think most people can agree you and Mark are both lowlifes. Just in different ways! tmbz1
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Some time ago….in the not so distant past….a guy mentioned on a video - “collateral damage” in reference to getting the VLT money outta harness racing. Well, seems there’s additional collateral damage when a “client” got pushed into pushing back - ‘keep going’ they said…..KEEP GOING! The Meadowlands’ principals were WARNED in Jan.
Was the GSY guy used?
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Some time ago….in the not so distant past….a guy mentioned on a video - “collateral damage” in reference to getting the VLT money outta harness racing. Well, seems there’s additional collateral damage when a “client” got pushed into pushing back - ‘keep going’ they said…..KEEP GOING! The Meadowlands’ principals were WARNED in Jan.
Was the GSY guy used?
I mean is that even a question? SCM is obsessed with Mark Ford. You don’t think he wasn’t egging on Yarock to say something in the hopes that Ford would misstep? Yarock is a well meaning pawn.
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I mean is that even a question? SCM is obsessed with Mark Ford. You don’t think he wasn’t egging on Yarock to say something in the hopes that Ford would misstep? Yarock is a well meaning pawn.
I wouldn't put it passed him to encourage the old guy to lip off. Hope he gets as far away from SCM as he can. Just let Ford and SCM get in the ring and beat the fuck out of each other. We all win that way. Both idiots get what they deserve.
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I wouldn't put it passed him to encourage the old guy to lip off. Hope he gets as far away from SCM as he can. Just let Ford and SCM get in the ring and beat the fuck out of each other. We all win that way. Both idiots get what they deserve.
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I’d sell tickets to that
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This is bad news for Shopping Cart Mike.
Just a couple days ago, SCM was demanding Meadowlands get involved and make things right.
Of course that means, at least to me, that SCM was expecting a little something for his efforts and troubles.
Oh, per SCM protocols, if I'm wrong about any of this, I hereby proclaim I am heretofore and henceforth correcting myself in real time.
i dont know--SCM seems to be winning big time-- not only did he get ford to publicly go nuts against an associate of meadowlands and look like a moron but he followed up with damning evidence of ford's involvement of murdering multiple horses - id say its SCM 2 - Mark ford 0. hes got him on the ropes. one more shot and its a tko ngc3
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i dont know--SCM seems to be winning big time-- not only did he get ford to publicly go nuts against an associate of meadowlands and look like a moron but he followed up with damning evidence of ford's involvement of murdering multiple horses - id say its SCM 2 - Mark ford 0. hes got him on the ropes. one more shot and its a tko ngc3
And then you woke up from your pipe dream. SCM needed my idea for farms and boarding operations to have insurance in the event of an accident. Like Calhoun and harness racer, I occupy space in scm’s Head.....all for free! Meadowlands isn’t buying into any of this. Like Cote said, let them sue each other until the cows come home. New Jersey state police already to Yarock that it isn’t a criminal matter. More like Yarock has to file a civil suit. So there you have it. And if SCM needs anymore advice, I will have to change him double as a consultant for the simple fact that he is a dumb asslicking old man who doesn’t have anything so sue me.
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i have no reason not to believe Mike.
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And then you woke up from your pipe dream. SCM needed my idea for farms and boarding operations to have insurance in the event of an accident. Like Calhoun and harness racer, I occupy space in scm’s Head.....all for free! Meadowlands isn’t buying into any of this. Like Cote said, let them sue each other until the cows come home. New Jersey state police already to Yarock that it isn’t a criminal matter. More like Yarock has to file a civil suit. So there you have it. And if SCM needs anymore advice, I will have to change him double as a consultant for the simple fact that he is a dumb asslicking old man who doesn’t have anything so sue me.
i dunno. lots of people talking about horses getting shot in the head and bullying an old man. more and more people thinking ford is a scumbag. thats for sure. ford certainly isnt winning is he? whats been done to SCM besides him getting this funny nickname?
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i dunno. lots of people talking about horses getting shot in the head and bullying an old man. more and more people thinking ford is a scumbag. thats for sure. ford certainly isnt winning is he? whats been done to SCM besides him getting this funny nickname?
What’s been done to Ford other than letting us know that he’s a scumbag cheater and that was something we e known all along. Looks like a tie. Both people are loser scumbags but I’d still like to have Ford’s bankroll. SCM doesn’t have anything so sue him. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Ray isn't any youngster he's 65. He isn't going to take any shit, he does things his way, got a short temper and he's sarcastic. Years ago Paul Dougherty told me Ray would do anything for somebody, Paul was a stand up guy. But if ya fuck with him he's not gonna back down no matter who you are.
I’ll say it again. Ray may be 65 and may have a short temper but he took took shit alright, in his pants when Marks was screaming at him. Ray may have some fooled but he was panicking when he thought Marks was going to put a knot on his head. Ray knows who to act like a bully to and who’s ass he needs to kiss. I personally like Ray but let’s not make him out to be a tough guy.
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Ray-may not be a tough guy-but he reacts like a MF when he is getting screwed. He once dragged Steve Starr -race secretary at Yonkers across his desk-because Starr screwed with the draw. Ray never got kicked out of Yonkers for that action-so I assume Ray was right to scare the shit out of Starr.
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Ray-may not be a tough guy-but he reacts like a MF when he is getting screwed. He once dragged Steve Starr -race secretary at Yonkers across his desk-because Starr screwed with the draw. Ray never got kicked out of Yonkers for that action-so I assume Ray was right to scare the shit out of Starr.
Off the subject somewhat bit when talking about the old tough guy generation I think of a guy like Carl Allen. I’m sure there are others but that guy in his day could back up his temper and actions. Who was the driver he reached over and smacked in the face with his whip during a race?
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Art Unger, guys were fucking with Andy. He waited on the hill at Monti, and set it all straight. Threw them around like rag dolls, No hard feelings. I don't think Ray is or was scared of Josh, pitiful drunk.
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Art Unger, guys were fucking with Andy. He waited on the hill at Monti, and set it all straight. Threw them around like rag dolls, No hard feelings. I don't think Ray is or was scared of Josh, pitiful drunk.
Lol sorry but I was there and Ray was shi**ing himself.
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Ray is usually the shit starter, then crys poor me when the situation is questioned , if he's hanging out with Ford he is just as much a pos, do some research into him and I'm sure you'll see it's not all roses and butterflies. Both are in it for greed not for the horses.