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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Yonkers1A on November 17, 2021, 05:06:26 PM
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It’s in the Albany Times Union today, it’s not expected to pass, however PETA and the gang is not going away.
If someone can post a link it would be helpful
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i heard
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Here you go , Porky.
https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/New-bill-would-redirect-funds-from-horse-racing-16625973.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-Spotlight
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Tick tock.
A new brand of Democrats are in power now. Racing will need to come up with another tune to keep the subsidies coming in.
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happens every year in some state
one year the horsemen will lose, they already lost Florida
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Here you go , Porky.
https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/New-bill-would-redirect-funds-from-horse-racing-16625973.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-Spotlight
good morning
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Good morning, my friend. It has been a while. I trust all is well.
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NYRA will vigorously oppose this legislation in order to protect jobs for working families, preserve the horse racing economy and ensure the sport’s success now and in the future," said Patrick McKenna, a spokesman for the New York Racing Association, which operates Saratoga Race Course, Aqueduct Race Track and Belmont Park. "Racing support payments are not subsidies. The payments from (slot machine) revenues are made to the thoroughbred industry in part because NYRA transferred land and other intellectual property to the state in 2008, and has acted as the steward of the properties in the years since."
over time people forget or people come in who were not involved in the original dealings
it is the same with the casinos, they now seem to forget why they have casinos, because they struck a deal with tracks to allow them gaming licenses etc but now they to want to decouple
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over time people forget or people come in who were not involved in the original dealings
it is the same with the casinos, they now seem to forget why they have casinos, because they struck a deal with tracks to allow them gaming licenses etc but now they to want to decouple
Wrong.
It's not "the people involved," as you say.
It's the will and sentiment of the public.
When you and your colleagues and you cry like beaten children at the suggestion of legislation to clean the sport, the public returns the favor by not supporting you.
People would rather see better schools tfor their kids rather than new trucks for harness welfare recipients.
It's an inconvenient truth.
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Wrong.
It's not "the people involved," as you say.
It's the will and sentiment of the public.
When you and your colleagues and you cry like beaten children at the suggestion of legislation to clean the sport, the public returns the favor by not supporting you.
People would rather see better schools tfor their kids rather than new trucks for harness welfare recipients.
It's an inconvenient truth.
Only scumbag, socialist whoresmen, who are nothing more than welfare recipients, would say that the only reason there are casinos, is because of the racetracks. The only reason there are racetracks NOW, is because of the casinos. Harness racing has been for decades a FAILED BUSINESS. How long must taxpayers keep giving handouts to unworthy, ungrateful scum? Call your congressmen, call your Governors, and tell them to DEFUND HARNESS RACING NOW!!!
Sincerely, Silent One
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Only scumbag, socialist whoresmen, who are nothing more than welfare recipients, would say that the only reason there are casinos, is because of the racetracks. The only reason there are racetracks NOW, is because of the casinos. Harness racing has been for decades a FAILED BUSINESS. How long must taxpayers keep giving handouts to unworthy, ungrateful scum? Call your congressmen, call your Governors, and tell them to DEFUND HARNESS RACING NOW!!!You have to be one of the biggest fools on here!
Sincerely, Silent One
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Only scumbag, socialist whoresmen, who are nothing more than welfare recipients, would say that the only reason there are casinos, is because of the racetracks. The only reason there are racetracks NOW, is because of the casinos. Harness racing has been for decades a FAILED BUSINESS. How long must taxpayers keep giving handouts to unworthy, ungrateful scum? Call your congressmen, call your Governors, and tell them to DEFUND HARNESS RACING NOW!!!
Sincerely, Silent One
It falls on deaf ears because the public isn't educated on the money that could go from the casino to the state budget to be used elsewhere, than money going to purses, and money to breeders. When the state government needs more money they just ask the taxpayer for it while the horsemen when a governor looks to take the money away they come out with a loud voice. You get the fake billions going into the economy when it's just one part of the billion $$ ag industry. The 30k plus that work in each state theory again fake and 2/3rds probably paid in cash and don't even file. You need people within certain lobbyist groups to get the word out. It will take a longer felt recession to decouple away as states search for revenue with massive budget holes. Then and only then will the chance be at it's greatest.
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Good morning, my friend. It has been a while. I trust all is well.
all is good ,winter tonight
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And how is this gonna help you yimmy first?
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Wrong.
It's not "the people involved," as you say.
It's the will and sentiment of the public.
When you and your colleagues and you cry like beaten children at the suggestion of legislation to clean the sport, the public returns the favor by not supporting you.
People would rather see better schools tfor their kids rather than new trucks for harness welfare recipients.
It's an inconvenient truth.
There are some real idiots on this site, eg Calhoun thinks the will of the people can violate a legislative pact between casinos and horse tracks . Another idiot, eg Silent One thinks the taxpayers are writing a check to the racetracks.
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It is a NYS Legislator who is lobbing to change the law. The same way the deals were made, by legislation. So, as for the people violating... Were do you think this money comes from? It is an agreed % of casino profits, distributed to horsemen, and education. A tax on casino profits. So, yes. It is a tax. The legislature has the power to revisit and rewrite laws. They do it every day.
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Ridiculous the purses at yonkers with an average race betting handle of 40k or so. I live harness racing...but its utterly ridiculous the people in parking lot at yonkers and none for racing...To have the purses at that level.
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the purses these casinos pay out is a pittance of what they rake in
ever look at the profit they make
they have no reason to complain and actually they dont( i guess florida is the exception)
its the lefty snowflakes that do the complaining and consider harness racing evil
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Why should racing get any of slot revenues.....??? Open a small jai akai arena to bet on it..give me break
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i will agree that racing needs to do much more to become as self sufficient as possible
but the reasons that harness racing gets revenue from slots is because that was the deal to allow them in, its not 1990, the landscape has changed and the revenue splits and allocation reflect that
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2021, cut purses. Race 2 nights a week
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LETS MAKE DEAL, SHUTTER, BUFFALO, BATAVIA,AND MONTISHITHOLE AND ONLY RACE AT YONKER,SARATOGO, TIOGA AND VERNON. NOTICE HOW I KEEP THE HEEBS 2 TRACKS OPEN. THAT SHOULD PISS HIM OFF.
THE STATE WILL HAVE THE MONEY THEY NEED TO VACCINATE THE WHOLE CUOMO FAMILY
(https://i.imgur.com/pbGLj1C.jpg)
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Only scumbag, socialist whoresmen, who are nothing more than welfare recipients, would say that the only reason there are casinos, is because of the racetracks. The only reason there are racetracks NOW, is because of the casinos. Harness racing has been for decades a FAILED BUSINESS. How long must taxpayers keep giving handouts to unworthy, ungrateful scum? Call your congressmen, call your Governors, and tell them to DEFUND HARNESS RACING NOW!!!
Sincerely, Silent One
wrong , so harness racing owners ,trainers ,grooms,etc don't pay any tax just live off subsidies and benefits ? You need to get off the crack cocaine there's a whole industry there paying taxes from owners ,trainers vetinarians , blacksmiths ,feed suppliers etc
Please be silent
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Grooms won't find work outside racing then??
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Grooms won't find work outside racing then??
The grooms can leave the country and re enter and get the $450,000 welcome prize.
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The projections from harness racing in NY that claimed the VLT enriched purses would cure racings problems never happened. Attendance numbers went from bad to almost non existent. Breeding in 2004, the first year of VLT's we had 2,307 mares bred from 125 stallions standing in NY. 2017, the last year stats are available from Harness Horse Breeders of New York are, 1190 mares bred from 42 standing studs.
On any given night at Yonkers, you will see fields with as much as 50% or better filled with imports. This has been ongoing for a decade or more.
This is a failed plan and needs to be reworked. There has been 100's of millions paid to the harness horse industry from VLT's and little if any impact on on the intended goal, to give harness racing a chance to stabilize and grow. NY's subsidies has made some people in New Zealand and Australia very happy and wealthy.
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that seems like an excessive number of studs for the ny region
if you want to protect your region and horsepeople including breeders which is fine then how about
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that seems like an excessive number of studs for the ny region
if you want to protect your region and horsepeople including breeders which is fine then how about
1. have more races for ny preferred bred
2. give more condition allowances for ny bred
3. expand the stakes program to offer more for 4 yr olds
there are creative ways to encourage this
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that seems like an excessive number of studs for the ny region
if you want to protect your region and horsepeople including breeders which is fine then how about
1. have more races for ny preferred bred
2. give more condition allowances for ny bred
3. expand the stakes program to offer more for 4 yr olds
there are creative ways to encourage this
Have More ... Give More ... Expand...
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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A few years back, the Gaming Commission did just that. They gave tracks the permission to write NY bred restricted races. The problem is, with the low foal crops, they had a difficult time filling.
Saratoga wrote a fair amount of NY bred races and enhanced the purse too. But, nothing sustainable.
I am a proponent of reconfiguring the current formula that gives overnight purses 10X more than the breeders program.
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A few years back, the Gaming Commission did just that. They gave tracks the permission to write NY bred restricted races. The problem is, with the low foal crops, they had a difficult time filling.
Saratoga wrote a fair amount of NY bred races and enhanced the purse too. But, nothing sustainable.
I am a proponent of reconfiguring the current formula that gives overnight purses 10X more than the breeders program.
The rule was for every NY. Bred race that was written the track also had to have one that was written for all. That was the problem, so you couldn't write a NY open, or you would have to write 2 opens.
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correct calhoun
its called having a business plan or strategy to try and grow your business
most successful companies do it