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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: GeeMoney on February 05, 2021, 12:15:41 AM
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Take that money and use it wisely. The greed and corruption in racing is gigantic in this State and the horsepeople refuse to help themselves.
#shutdownPAracing
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Governor Wolf’s budget proposal would end
horseracing in Pennsylvania, have devastating
impact on agriculture industry
Harrisburg, PA — Governor Tom Wolf’s proposed fiscal year 2021-22 budget — which seeks
to raid $199 million from the Race Horse Development Trust Fund — would result in the end
of horseracing in Pennsylvania, an integral part of the state’s agriculture industry that
supports hundreds of small businesses and 20,000 family-sustaining jobs. The proposed
budget repeats a recommendation the Wolf Administration put forth last year that failed to
gain traction in the legislature.
“It is hard to fathom why the Wolf Administration would once again put forward a
fundamentally flawed proposal that was widely dismissed and failed to gain any meaningful
support last year in the legislature,” said Pete Peterson, spokesperson for the Pennsylvania
Equine Coalition, an organization representing the six Thoroughbred and Standardbred
horsemen and breeder associations in the state. “This proposal would result in the end of
horseracing, which supports 20,000 jobs, delivers an annual $1.6 billion economic impact,
and preserves hundreds of thousands of acres of open space.”
Peterson noted that the effects would be felt well beyond Pennsylvanians who work at a race
track or breed horses. Purse money earned by a horse enables the owner to buy hay and
straw from farmers, feed from local feed mills, as well as pay the horse’s jockey, trainer,
blacksmith, groom, veterinarian, and equine dentist. In addition, countless small businesses
in the manufacturing, retail and construction industries count horsemen and breeders among
their major customers for horse trailers and vehicles, feed equipment, riding tack and other
supplies, the construction or repair of barns and fencing, and more.
“Given the current economic climate, we should be looking for ways to provide support to
struggling working families and small businesses, not threatening their jobs and livelihoods,”
said Peterson. “Eliminating horseracing and breeding would have far-reaching negative
impacts throughout the agriculture industry, Pennsylvania’s leading economic sector, as well
as the broader state economy. Pennsylvanians who work in or rely on the horseracing
industry to support their families already face financial challenges due to the COVID-related
shutdown of race tracks and casinos last year and this proposal will only add to their stress.
“Everyone recognizes that college debt and rising tuition rates are major problems, but you
don’t fix one debt problem by putting an entire sector of the agriculture industry out of
business and thousands of people out of work.”
Beyond the economic ramifications, Peterson noted that the Administration’s proposal to
divert non-tax dollars from the Race Horse Development Trust Fund for purposes other than
what they were intended also faces a significant legal hurdle. In 2017, the General Assembly
passed — and Governor Wolf signed into law — legislation (Act 42) that specifically states the
amounts in the RHDTF “are not funds of the Commonwealth” and that “the Commonwealth
shall not be rightfully entitled” to the RHDTF funds.
The General Assembly and Governor approved that trust fund protection language in order to
spur new long-term investment in Pennsylvania’s racing and breeding industry by providing
increased economic certainty for investors. Now, no more than four years later, the Governor
appears to be suggesting that the Commonwealth reverse its commitment.
“Given the proposal’s far-reaching negative impacts on Pennsylvania’s agricultural industry
and the significant legal issues it faces, we are optimistic that the legislature will again reject
this proposal,” said Peterson. “But by merely floating this idea, the Administration is hurting
working families that are already reeling from the effects of COVID-19. These next few
months are an extremely important time for horse breeders, as customers are deciding right
now whether they want to breed their horses here in Pennsylvania or in other states such as
New York, Virginia, Maryland, or Kentucky. Putting this idea out there — even though it has
little chance of success — will result in real financial harm to our breeding farms here in
Pennsylvania.”
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Interesting the PA Gov picks this time to raid money from horse racing while his democrat friends in DC are about to give tax payer dollars away in bundles. I'm not saying the 1,400 shouldn't go out...it should. Same with extended unemployment while we continue to vaccinate. We just passed 900B in which schools received 82B how much was used so far? They are about to receive another 182B. All this money that states will not have to spend on getting schools up and going. However the big price is 360B for states and local. PA is the 5th largest state so however the breakdown works PA can be in for a large windfall of funds so in this case why start raiding areas during a pandemic?
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Pennsylvania is indeed a complete clusterfuck. That is why the Governor ir correct in taking away a handout to whoresmen, and using that money to help actual people. "Given the current economic climate, we should be looking for ways to provide support to struggling working families and small businesses," This is exactly what the Governor is trying to do by removing the unnecessary handout to whoresmen. Kudos to the Governor of Pennsylvania, who is thinking of the people of his state.
Sincerely, Silent One
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How about reading once in a while instead of shooting your mouth off. That money is non tax dollars. It is not a handout. It would be no different then the Governor taking pension reserves. Maybe you need to stay silent.
I know a little about this. You are right, it's not "Tax dollars," it is "Assessment Dollars" ... you split that hair nicely. tmbz1
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Take that money and use it wisely. The greed and corruption in racing is gigantic in this State and the horsepeople refuse to help themselves.
#shutdownPAracing
If you are in harnessing racing in anyway how could you say such a thing?
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the other way to look at this is this. the casino $ was divided up by law when they were allowed to open. purses get a small percent of revenue. the state is getting a bigger share. state is never going to give up a nickle of their share yet they want the purse money on top of their own.
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the other way to look at this is this. the casino $ was divided up by law when they were allowed to open. purses get a small percent of revenue. the state is getting a bigger share. state is never going to give up a nickle of their share yet they want the purse money on top of their own.
all the critiques of the way racing is run in PA makes me wonder ? where in the heck is the PA Racing Comm ? They're responsible for oversight. Shouldn't the PA Comm advise this gov on the benefits to the state as regards employing thousands at a time when work should be cherished not diminished
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Whorse racing has been victimized for a LONG TIME with these PA welfare sucking people just fucking the system. The Governor isn't ending racing in PA, he is stating stand on your own two feet. What has PA whorse racing done to improve its product, NOTHING. Its like a drug addict on a treatment program for 10 years, and nothing changes. Enough is ENOUGH. 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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The horsemen have received enough! Fuck them. They took all the welfare from the slots and did nothing to help promote themselves. The more money they made, the more they spent to develop better drugs. They didn`t give a fuck about the gambler which is what the sport was built on. The commissions were even worse hammering the little guys and letting the big stables walk. They are using class 1 narcotics, illegal steroids and blood builders that if you got caught on the street with you would go to prison yet they get it pushed under the table or a fine. Now that the feds are involved, it is going to be over and it should. Be thankful for the gift you have gotten for all these years. Racing was dead if the slots didn`t come along years ago. The general public does not give 1 fuck about racing and know the money can be used better elsewhere. The farmers will get along just fine without horse racing! I spent 35 years in the business and can tell you that it is the most corrupt business with the biggest bunch of assholes in the world. Goodbye!
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all the critiques of the way racing is run in PA makes me wonder ? where in the heck is the PA Racing Comm ? They're responsible for oversight. Shouldn't the PA Comm advise this gov on the benefits to the state as regards employing thousands at a time when work should be cherished not diminished
Our Government is on a fast track eliminating jobs instead of creating and each move creates a ripple effect to other businesses that lose out and won't survive. The Keystone pipe line is a perfect example. Thousands out of work and hotels and restaurants will suffer as well. Our gas prices are going way up so millions more will suffer as well.
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and if he shuts down racing where do the 20,000 people who earn a living from racing go , oh yeah onto the government payroll, sure that's a good idea, they just get the handout in a different way instead of working for it and helping the overall economy... that by the way is called the multiplier effect...economic s 101
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and if he shuts down racing where do the 20,000 people who earn a living from racing go , oh yeah onto the government payroll, sure that's a good idea, they just get the handout in a different way instead of working for it and helping the overall economy... that by the way is called the multiplier effect...economic s 101
Why do you assume if the government cuts the subsidy, all horse people will resort to welfare and never work again?
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The 20k jobs thing was always a floating number take like OH in it's lean years where did the horsemen go, PA. Before that when MI had a product they went to IL and IN. The same with IL they kind of dispersed all over the country to find a home. So if PA racing was damaged or went bust where are most of those jobs? Around the barns? Do most just work for cash and not on the government tax ledger? You will find your vets move or they move around already. Same with a farrier. Your trainers will pick up and move family and stables. Grooms travel as well. The state employees stand to lose a job only if the tracks leave. Just because purses get cheaper those jobs still need to be filled. So in the end the industry pares down in PA, they lose revenue from the racing and breeding end, and it will have the indirect as farmers use they land for something other then hay. No doubt the state loses but the 20k to unemployment will not be the case.
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lots of
BIG GUYS IN PA
WILL LOOK TO RACE AT HOOSIER
THE SIRES PROGRAM IS BEST
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Ohio's is as good as any. A lot will move there.
INDY HAS MORE LEGS
OHIO 4 LEGS AND FINAL
INDY 7 I BELIEV E
AND FINAL SAME 250K
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racing really doesnt need chester,pocono ,meadows ,greoge nap and burke
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Ohio has more advantages with year around racing, larger overnight purses, and more tracks then just the single track in IN that is closed four months a year. Live in OH gives you eligibility to race and if one owns IN bred horse could easily ship. Also if stables in the middle have time the fair racing is much better then IN.
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Ohio has more advantages with year around racing, larger overnight purses, and more tracks then just the single track in IN that is closed four months a year. Live in OH gives you eligibility to race and if one owns IN bred horse could easily ship. Also if stables in the middle have time the fair racing is much better then IN.
im talking sires racing not over night racing
which i give 2 fcks about overnight racing
indy sires in my opinion
are the best
you just need a fast 2 or 3 yr old
they race hard early have them ready
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First off your comment is about big stables. So it doesn't matter what YOUR thoughts are about overnights. If a big stable has to move it isn't based on sire stakes if just 10-15% of their barn is sire stake material. So therefore overnights matter and having year long racing with multiple tracks matter. All those go into moving a large stable if PA was to close their doors or to pre level purses before a racino gave a lifeline. Also what matters OH has restrictions unlike IN where anyone can get in whether you reside or not in IN. So unless you change your thread about big stables and your response back being about yourself...OH has more to offer along with more studs, better breeding farms, and less Amish horses at a sale. Again what big barns are looking for at investing.
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Maybe all the Harness tracks will close, Then we can concentrate on sports gambling... tmbz1(sarcasm)
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indy has a better sires program than ohio
imho
i will leave it that,,
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So then it wasn't about big stables and I'll leave it at that.
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i give to fcks about big stables i care about where i race..
indy has better program imho
and way better to race on a big track than a bull ring like northfiled or any other short stretch
track in ohio...
yes ohio has a better stallions at this time
which means nothin to me,,
and i will leave at that
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OMG YOU BROUGHT UP BIG STABLES GO BACK AND LOOK. IF YOU CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ON YOUR TOPIC WHY EVEN POST?
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ATTENTION EDUCATED HORSEMEN!
(yes I know I just significantly narrowed down my audience)
THE LEGISLATURE GIVETH,
AND THE LEGISLATURE TAKETH AWAY!
Just ask any current or former Illinois horseman/owner/breeder.
Arguing what is and what is not tax dollars is a total waste of time.
The Governor may not legally have the power to take away your welfare but the legislature can.
If the legislature has a change of heart or has the Governor in their ear that subsidy is as good as gone.
Illinois horsemen had an agreement where the state would provide the Recapture payments due to track owners from the state's general fund thereby holding the horsemen's purse account harmless.
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Yeah, that lasted! :1
Remember the law is the law until it's not. :1
You better have good lobbyists with good connections otherwise....welc ome to our nightmare. tmbz1
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There were two years that recapture was paid and ran through the Dept of AG. When Edgar decided not to run the IHHA backed the democrat and when Ryan won he said a big fuck you to that 10m recapture payment. Horsemen, their organizations, and lobbyist had zip to fight back with especially on the thoroughbred side as their lobbyist was cozy with RLD. The racing board as well. It was all over but the crying and it has lasted more then 20 years. Hawthorne still dragging their feet on it's casino build out for slots as they want one more season of recapture payments before that first nickel goes into a slot machine.
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INDY HAS MORE LEGS
OHIO 4 LEGS AND FINAL
INDY 7 I BELIEV E
AND FINAL SAME 250K
Pa sires is the Industry leader,,, they go for more money than Ohio and Indiana,,,,just look at prices PA Breds bring at auction ,,, PA is the MLB the rest is AA ball weather you like it or not
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Wolf is an incompetent idiot. Killed 1000's of seniors in nursing homes-collapsed small business--and now wants to steal money from Horsemen who actually worked for it--and ruin the lives of even more families due to his incompetence. He should be in jail for crimes against humanity
Then his sidekick Dr Rachel Levine-is tagged to be assistant secretary of health-despite him/her being about 100 pounds overweight and her best friends even worse.
PA is fucked with these 73cv.2.
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"and now wants to steal money from Horsemen who actually worked for it"
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Yea, they worked hard for it! They are the fucking thieves! They got away with juicing and fucking the honest horsemen and betting public for years and years. Now that the FBI is involved, the handouts will be over. How the fuck can the government tell the people that the money is going to all these indicted trainers that they could give two shits about instead of schools, roads,covid or basically anything else? The extra purse money did one thing, allow the bigger money stables to figure out better drugs, period! They drove out all the smaller barns and many owners. They did nothing to promote the sport and neither did the tracks. The states and tracks want the racing gone and the drug trainers have given them ammo to get it through now. They had a good run but it`s over. NY won`t be far behind either. The state is broke and giving 100`s of thousands of dollars a night away to horsemen will be one of the first things Cuomo will want to look into. He is going to make it legal to buy lottery tickets and have them shipped to your door now!!! He wants it all. The time has come!
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No argument here, Titan. But, have been hearing the same thing for 10 years or so. Last year only exacerbates your position but, politics is about power, not right or wrong.
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The federal government is about to dole out 360bln to states and local. How they plan to distribute based on size and population I have no idea. Those two states NY and PA are going to reap many of billions. With k-12 and Universities getting there second round of billions in under a couple of months none of that state money I'm sure will be directed to one their largest line item...education. Pelosi likes to throw around follow the money well good idea in this case.
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Pennsylvania is indeed a complete clusterfuck. That is why the Governor ir correct in taking away a handout to whoresmen, and using that money to help actual people. "Given the current economic climate, we should be looking for ways to provide support to struggling working families and small businesses," This is exactly what the Governor is trying to do by removing the unnecessary handout to whoresmen. Kudos to the Governor of Pennsylvania, who is thinking of the people of his state.
Sincerely, Silent One
Why can't you do what your moniker implies and shut the fuck up! Your obvious envy of the hard working horsemen is sickening!
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racing really doesnt need chester,pocono ,meadows ,greoge nap and burke
And racing sure doesn't need you! You're jealousy is sickening!
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And racing sure doesn't need you! You're jealousy is sickening!
SHOWS HOW STUPID THE HORSEMEN ARE, THEY NEED MORE GAMBLERS NOT LESS, AND LESS HORSEMEN, NOT MORE
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Masterbator, "envy of the hard working whoresmen" ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Please keep posting. You're ignorance, and stupidity are a breath of fresh air.
Sincerely, Silent One