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Title: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Rfan31 on May 26, 2018, 11:04:13 PM
So I have been scratching my head lately and trying to figure out how some of these drivers aren't homeless.... But I know its 5% of purse money.... But does these drivers get a flat rate regardless if they come out of the money?


Btw why do they allow Steve Smith to still drive?
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: freelegged pacer on May 26, 2018, 11:41:38 PM
Maybe at Bluegrass Downs they are homeless. Lots of drivers in Ohio making well over a 100k.     ;D
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Nameaintbrian on May 27, 2018, 12:39:11 AM
Chicago they are homeless buy the dozens. Even Casey works a real job. Best driver in Chicago and has to still work for Delong.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Squared racing on May 27, 2018, 08:20:10 AM
At most tracks there is a driver min, paid thur track from the horse owners.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: TTitans1 on May 27, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
They have to make 2 million in purses to make $100,000. I don`t think very many are doing that!
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: The Exporter on May 27, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
At most tracks there is a driver min, paid thur track from the horse owners.

 I did not know that. Where is this happening?
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Hush Limbaugh II on May 27, 2018, 09:18:47 AM
So I have been scratching my head lately and trying to figure out how some of these drivers aren't homeless.... But I know its 5% of purse money.... But does these drivers get a flat rate regardless if they come out of the money?


Btw why do they allow Steve Smith to still drive?

Robert Bongiorno found out  11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: kantseeback on May 27, 2018, 09:21:31 AM
They have to make 2 million in purses to make $100,000. I don`t think very many are doing that!

money at the windows
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: helpplease on May 27, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
At most tracks there is a driver min, paid thur track from the horse owners.

As far as I know the only tracks that pay drivers a minimum are in Illinois. What tracks outside of Illinois pay a minimum?
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Winners Win on May 27, 2018, 10:06:17 AM
Anymore the question is what tracks dont.  All the tracks that my horses race at either pay them or take 25 dollars from me when they don't make 25 on their cut.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: helpplease on May 27, 2018, 10:28:05 AM
Anymore the question is what tracks dont.  All the tracks that my horses race at either pay them or take 25 dollars from me when they don't make 25 on their cut.

Interesting, what State/s do you race in? 
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: The Exporter on May 27, 2018, 10:29:07 AM
Is it done in Ohio, Indiana, Ny, NJ, Pa.?
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: hoosierboy on May 27, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
Is it done in Ohio, Indiana, Ny, NJ, Pa.?

Yes
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Winners Win on May 27, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
Running aces and hoosier make the owners pay.  Northfield and meadows pays the drivers.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: sulkyfan on May 27, 2018, 11:50:57 AM
I did not know that. Where is this happening?

The only track I know of is The Meadows.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: sulkyfan on May 27, 2018, 11:57:46 AM
Anymore the question is what tracks dont.  All the tracks that my horses race at either pay them or take 25 dollars from me when they don't make 25 on their cut.
I believe paying the drivers is fair because 80% of them don't make enough to make ends meet. No one works for free nor should they have to. Only a handful of leading drivers at each track make the money. Let's face it, the top drivers get the best horses & therefor make the most money. It's not rocket science. 
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: The Exporter on May 27, 2018, 12:54:58 PM
To use that same logic, they shouldn't work for nothing thus, a start fee per drive, then the amount rewaded for a win should also be adjusted. 
 Remember,  drivers are independent contractors, not employees being compensate for work.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: shuffledagain on May 27, 2018, 01:20:56 PM
Strictly a commission job.  Make the sale and get a piece of the sale.  Win the race ( actually finish first through fifth) and get piece of the purse.  Not good enough to finish first through fifth on a fairly consistent basis....... well, the world needs ditch diggers too.   tmbz1
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: The Exporter on May 27, 2018, 04:00:16 PM
That about sums it up. If you get the job done, you score. If you don't,  nada. Sharing in a 4th or 5th place finish is already generous.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: freelegged pacer on May 30, 2018, 08:19:54 AM
They have to make 2 million in purses to make $100,000. I don`t think very many are doing that!



3 that drive predominantly in Ohio have already passed the 2 million mark. The lucrative sires stakes have yet to begin.

Aaron Merriman    $3,088,268
Daniel Noble            $2,122,913
Ronnie Wrenn Jr.    $2,066,528
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: TTitans1 on May 30, 2018, 12:27:25 PM
3 out of how many? It is not common!
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: joemomma on May 30, 2018, 11:45:06 PM
10bucks at most ny track. The fuckers should have real jobs
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: sulkyfan on May 31, 2018, 08:40:06 AM
3 out of how many? It is not common!
Your ABSOLUTELY right!
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: Squared racing on May 31, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
AS it is always on here, those who have never own , trained or driven a race horse.  Have a shit load to say about what they know nothing of.
As a owner/trainer I'll gladly paid the $25 bucks to the driver, as I don't always know how good the horse is that day.
Driver may try hard that day but my horse spit the bit and wasn't feeling like racing.  he gets something, right thing to dofor he driver.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: horses first on May 31, 2018, 03:39:06 PM
USTA list just the top 50. Probably have to pay for more information. Anyway the bottom of the top 50 made 2.8mln. So number 49 a guy like Ricky Macomber JR made 2.9mln making him 5th highest earner at Hoosier. These are based off 2017. So roughly 150k a for your top 50 which is all of North America drivers. A guy like Dan Rawlings at the Meadows last year, 6th among drivers made 1.85m in purses last year. So your slot circuit drivers at worse make 100k being 6th or 7th best driver at the home track. No slots well your probably pulling a second shift in the off season.
Title: Re: Drivers Minimum Per Race
Post by: The Exporter on May 31, 2018, 03:51:05 PM
AS it is always on here, those who have never own , trained or driven a race horse.  Have a shit load to say about what they know nothing of.
As a owner/trainer I'll gladly paid the $25 bucks to the driver, as I don't always know how good the horse is that day.
Driver may try hard that day but my horse spit the bit and wasn't feeling like racing.  he gets something, right thing to dofor he driver.

Then pay him $25.00 or what ever you want. If he did like you described here, than he earned much more than $25.00, he earned your trust and will get a opportunity to earn much more.
 If a contractor demands payment for every effort, ok. But, the rewards for making the winning payday need to be adjusted, too.
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