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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PIGLAND on May 23, 2018, 04:52:07 PM
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breaks and doesn't come down
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And the #METOOMAN wins his 1000th race, on the same card. It is anything goes day at the meadows. Judge are afraid to take dave down when he is "on the ticket" Paloan I am sure has the ticket
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You are allowed to break and not come down. He grabbed up lost ground and was NOT lapped on. Please tell everyone why he should have come down
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I guess now a days you are allowed to be on a run for 50 yards thru the wire and he was lapped on. should have been 3rd at least if not 4th terrible judges
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he was not lapped on. know the rules. the bike does not count.. your welcome for the info
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You have to love it when the shit shovelers tell you they know the rules. Hey man, clean up Barn H and he was lapped on and running thru the wire
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;D Yep should have come down
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oh so I guess the judges just made up the call I guess the bike is part of the lapped on and judges just disreguarded it. I think you really should know the rules young man before you start knocking people. Once again . THE BIKE IS NOT PART OF THE HORSE AND THUS DOES NOT COUNT IN THE LAPPED ON DECESION
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;D Yep should have come down
And the hof team cashes another one
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WHY SHOULD HE HAVE COME DOWN.. LETS HEAR IT. IT TOOK JUDJES 1 MINUTE TO LEAVE UP. IT WAS AN EASY CALL
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oh so I guess the judges just made up the call I guess the bike is part of the lapped on and judges just disreguarded it. I think you really should know the rules young man before you start knocking people. Once again . THE BIKE IS NOT PART OF THE HORSE AND THUS DOES NOT COUNT IN THE LAPPED ON DECESION
D E C I S I O N
LEARN THE GAME AND HOW TO SPELL
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excessive run in the lane
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All the time on this site. When someone gets corrected there response is. you spelled it wrong. That's pretty funny.
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obviously should have come down,worse non DQ call i have seen since i have been in the industry since 1973,wise up comeonman
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Found an article about it:
Author’s Note: I work for the Pennsylvania Harness Racing Commission and I am licensed as a presiding judge (and a few other things) by the United States Trotting Association. My opinions, views, and thoughts in this column are mine and may or may not be shared by the powers that be at the PHRC or USTA. The reason I mention that is because this column concerns the breaking rule and so many of the decisions that go into enforcing the breaking rule are subjective.
“How far does a horse have to run in order to be placed?” That is a question I have been asked many times over the years.
The answer is not simple, because there is no rule (in Pennsylvania or the USTA) that states a horse is automatically placed for an “extended run” or for running any specific distance. A horse could be placed last for making a break one inch before the finish if all the other horses were “lapped on” the hindquarters of the breaking horse at the finish. A horse could be “off stride” the entire distance of the stretch (or further) and not be placed at all, provided the driver complies with the breaking rules.
The USTA breaking rule states that when a horse breaks from its gait, “the driver shall at once, where clearance exists, take such horse to the outside and pull it to its gait.” In Pennsylvania, it is also permissible for the driver to pull the horse to the inside, provided that the horse re-enters the track as soon as possible and loses ground while inside the pylons.
The main violations of the USTA breaking rule are, “(1) Failure to properly attempt to pull the horse to its gait. (2) Failure to take to the outside where clearance exists. (3) Failure to lose ground by the break.” The judges may place a horse back “one or more places if in their judgment any of those violations have been committed.
The USTA rule also covers placing horses for a lapped-on break and interference while on a break. If a horse is on a break at the finish, any horse (that is on its proper gait) that finishes within the hindquarters of the breaking horse will be placed ahead of the breaking horse. There is a clause, in the USTA rules, that allows for discretion, if the horse is off-stride due to interference. I do not agree with that part of the rule, but it is in the USTA rules.
A horse may also be placed if they cause interference to other horses while on a break. Judges handle interference while on a break much like regular interference; the breaking horse that causes interference will be placed behind the horses that have been interfered with, but there will be no interference penalty issued to the driver of the breaking horse.
The parts of the breaking rule concerning the driver attempting to pull the horse to its gait and taking to the outside are pretty easy to determine. There may be discussion on how far to place a horse back for those violations, but the actual violation is easy to determine. The most difficult section of the breaking rule (and the one that leads to the most controversy) to adjudicate is definitely the “failure to lose ground” rule.
The rule states that a horse on a break must lose ground, but it does not say how much ground the horse has to lose or if the horse has to lose. Does the horse have to lose ground to all of the horses in the race, or is it the horses that the horse is leading or the horses that it is trailing? This is where the judges have to use judgment.
If the judges determine that the horse has violated this rule, they then must decide how far back the horse should be placed. Many times, it is pretty obvious that a horse has not lost ground and should be placed, but there are often differences of opinion as to where the horse should be placed.
I have worked with judges that believe a horse that does not lose ground (or sufficient ground) should be automatically placed out of the purse money. I try to figure how much ground I think the horse should have lost and place the horse behind horses that are within that distance.
Some of the longest inquiries I have been involved in have not been to determine whether to disqualify a breaking horse, but where to place the horse. It is not uncommon when reviewing a race where a horse made a break to hear a judge say (and I have said this myself) “that horse ran a long way.” Judges need to remember that just because a horse ran a long way that alone is not sufficient cause to disqualify a horse.
And after reading that , why are there even gates to be followed, and also a good explanation as to why only idiots wager on harness racing. There are no rules
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ARE we talking about same race. The one where the 2 broke about 30 yards from finish and lost ground as he was being pulled up, and was not lapped on at wire. FINISHED SECOND AND STOOD SECOND That race?
yes,gary thats the race
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yes,gary thats the race
Gary? Dillyo? One of the dumbest guys ever. Never got a call right in his life, why start now. The freehold foole
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Gary? Dillyo? One of the dumbest guys ever. Never got a call right in his life, why start now. The freehold foole
poor gary
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poor gary
Must of had a relative die and leave him some, He can afford to ride the bus on what he makes
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the breaking rule or non rule has pissed me off for years
I have seen races where a horse breaks in the first turn goes to the outside gets reset and makes a charge at the front only to break again but in the meantime cause the leader to go extra fractions and ultimately lose
in this case of course he should have come down, did not lose ground etc
but here is a novel thought
if your horse breaks anywhere in the mile you are out, dq, pull off to the side and do not get involved in the race again
applies to pacers and trotters but clrearly would impact trotters more
after alll isnt part of the race to be able to have your horse trot for the entire mile
of course i know there will be the odd occassion where judges or drivers cant tell if a horse actually made a break or not but those are few and far between
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Nothing new here. How much ground did the horse lose while on a break, none. How many horses made up ground while Palone's horse was on the run, none. Was it an extended break, sure was. Just another day of beard owners, beard trainers and on the take judges protecting themselves....... ..... Was that way in the 90's when I was working and waaaaay worse now.............. ................. ...............
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TOTAL 100% TRAVESTY!! NO EXCUSES ACCEPTED