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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Nameaintbrian on January 16, 2016, 12:08:45 PM
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Hawthorne averaging about 1.3 million a night on only 10 races. It looks like the fans have spoken. Bye bye balmoral and maywood. Make room for the new harness King, Hawthorne Race Course. tmbz1
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Too bad $1.3 gets you about $3, 000 average purse.
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Too bad $1.3 gets you about $3, 000 average purse.
How are things in Michigan you ass licker?
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How are things in Michigan you ass licker?
DOES MICHIGAN STILL HAVE HARNESS RACING?
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DOES MICHIGAN STILL HAVE HARNESS RACING?
Another way to look at it , is the Michigan bettors got tired of the cheating pricks, so they spent there gambling dollars elsewhere, whereas the Chitown people like getting cheating and fucked by the no good thieves that call themselves drivers ........Just sayin'
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Another way to look at it , is the Michigan bettors got tired of the cheating pricks, so they spent there gambling dollars elsewhere, whereas the Chitown people like getting cheating and fucked by the no good thieves that call themselves drivers ........Just sayin'
CHEATS EVERYWHERE BRO- NOT EXCLUSIVE TO CHI TOWN...
OPEN YOU EYES & SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT HAWTHRONE!!! Good competitive racing,mile track, excellent betting menu, full fields, at least for now..
I never bet Bal/May but have made a good amount of wagers on Haw
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CHEATS EVERYWHERE BRO- NOT EXCLUSIVE TO CHI TOWN...
OPEN YOU EYES & SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT HAWTHRONE!!! Good competitive racing,mile track, excellent betting menu, full fields, at least for now..
I never bet Bal/May but have made a good amount of wagers on Haw
understandable... ..but to me same lousy horses for the most part and more importantly same no good cheating drivers, for now anyway. to each their own. Hope you kill the place!! tmbz1
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Hawthorne is very good so far. $$$$ the state of Illinois just wanted the Johnstons gone and this was their way. The overall attitude of horsemen and everyone involved here is way better then at maywood. This is really a true harness track. Glad to be back racing at Hawthorne.
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Where can you find the info on the 1.3M handle. Last Sat counting the numbers from the USTA website Hawthorne did 826k and Sunday did 725k. Are they missing something because that is a far cry from 1.3m.
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Where can you find the info on the 1.3M handle. Last Sat counting the numbers from the USTA website Hawthorne did 826k and Sunday did 725k. Are they missing something because that is a far cry from 1.3m.
Exactly. They haven't even handled over $1M yet.
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How are things in Michigan you ass licker?
Your mother is the ass licker. And, I could not care less about Michigan.
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The usta doesn't like Hawthorne. They are averaging 1.3 million according to the local newspapers.
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Your mother is the ass licker. And, I could not care less about Michigan.
Your mother licks your sisters butt hole.
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Maywood used to average 400k on Thursday nights.
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The usta doesn't like Hawthorne. They are averaging 1.3 million according to the local newspapers.
Local newspapers need to get fact checked!!! Here are the handles, not bad, but NO million dollar nights..... Fri 8th=910,529, Sat 9th=826,678,Sun 10th=725,977, Wed 13th=736,078, Thur 14th=847,166, and Fri 15th= 783,342, end of story!!
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I hope they average $3,000,000 a card. But let's be realistic. The market is been pretty much defined for harness racing wagering. For Hawthorne or any other track to gain a significant amount wagered on their product, they will need to develop new customers.
This comes at a cost. And, the cost to attract, develop and maintain a customer has been clearly proven to be way more than the value of the customer.
No business has or will survive at a scale of customer 10 times grater than the value of the customer.
There will be deep adjustments with the summer meet.
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Local newspapers need to get fact checked!!! Here are the handles, not bad, but NO million dollar nights..... Fri 8th=910,529, Sat 9th=826,678,Sun 10th=725,977, Wed 13th=736,078, Thur 14th=847,166, and Fri 15th= 783,342, end of story!!
Thanks TT, I thought 1 million was BS. This is not good, purses will be dropping soon.
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When Yonkers 1 talks, people listen. tmbz1
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Your mother licks your sisters butt hole.
ngc3
chicago boys are ruff on each other
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Thanks TT. This isn't a growth industry and for Hawthorne to be doing 1.3m for 10 races it didn't figure when they barely got 80k-90k a race. So barely any new blood and it's the same money churn as Balmoral.
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Hawthorne averaging about 1.3 million a night on only 10 races. It looks like the fans have spoken. Bye bye balmoral and maywood. Make room for the new harness King, Hawthorne Race Course. tmbz1
Explain something to me please? hcx.1
If you are going to pull numbers out of your ass, why don't you shut down the rest of the internet first? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Surely you know your handle claims can be debunked in a matter of nano seconds? 94z.sm 63xz.2 63xz.2
Why embarrass yourself this way? 11.hmzr angbk
Are you hitting the same Volcano Vaporizer Tom Kelley is using? 43xc.2 ngc3 ngc3
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Swoodal why are you, such a miserable man? Your cup is always half empty!
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Swoodal why are you, such a miserable man? Your cup is always half empty!
There smell of bullshit makes me nauseous. 94z.sm
Like using Moiltor as a driver to put some bad lines on your horse so you can bet. tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
Are you going to get another positive when you let Molitor try and get that win? 77z.chf 91.jzail
Or are you going to change drivers first, then bet? tmbz1
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When will you stop your fake disability claims?
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CHEATS EVERYWHERE BRO- NOT EXCLUSIVE TO CHI TOWN...
OPEN YOU EYES & SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AT HAWTHRONE!!! Good competitive racing,mile track, excellent betting menu, full fields, at least for now..
I never bet Bal/May but have made a good amount of wagers on Haw
COMPETITIVE? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Drivers are making pretty good money gambling. Pat Curtin at 4-5 from the 9 hole? Spent a good portion of the wagering at 1-5. PARKED THE MILE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST OF WINNING. 73cv.2 73cv.2
Got to love Chicago wagering. This is better than wrestling.
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No degenerate would ever put 1.3 million a night into that dump. I wonder how much of that number is Dana Parham syndicate money? Nobody mentioned that yet!
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COMPETITIVE? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Drivers are making pretty good money gambling. Pat Curtin at 4-5 from the 9 hole? Spent a good portion of the wagering at 1-5. PARKED THE MILE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST OF WINNING. 73cv.2 73cv.2
Got to love Chicago wagering. This is better than wrestling.
It was the drug addict Tim Curtin on Poker Joe and clearly he did that on purpose! 77z.chf 91.jzail
In three of this horse's last 5 races Tim Curtin left from an outside position and had the lead in 28&change! hcx.1
The first qt. went in 31.0 this time and Curtin refused to move up or on! :1 :1 :1
He instead sat first up the entire mile and still finished 4th beaten by three lengths. tmbz1 :1 :1 :1
Take that, all you great handicappers! :1 :1
You were fucked by a life long alcoholic and drug abuser who has done rehab stints, yet still gets a license. 91.jzail
Illinois racing! Gotta love it! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Why don't you go out there and drive einstein.
And what's his past got to do with his present swoodal?
I think you better shut your trap talking shit about people like
you do, cause I got some info on you I can cut and paste and you won't like it 10000000% fact.
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this just got good
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You know what swoodal, since your so sure about that stiff I'm gonna give Tim a number to a good lawyer so he can go after you for slander and lost drives. And I will be the first one to testify that I won't use him to drive because of your comments.
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I don't know about a stiff but I wouldn't use him because hes old, an alcoholic who has been in trouble and blew over
at the box several times and because of the rumors about him in his younger days at QCD
there are many better options
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Why don't you go out there and drive einstein.
And what's his past got to do with his present swoodal?
I think you better shut your trap talking shit about people like
you do, cause I got some info on you I can cut and paste and you won't like it 10000000% fact.
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Re: Handle wayyyyyyy up at Hawthorne versus maywood and balmoral.
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You know what swoodal, since your so sure about that stiff I'm gonna give Tim a number to a good lawyer so he can go after you for slander and lost drives. And I will be the first one to testify that I won't use him to drive because of your comments.
Let me tell you something you stupid fucking jagoff! 91zxa.1
I know more about Tim Curtin then before you ever heard of a racetrack! 94z.sm
I know all about the race fixing at Balmoral that Curtin and the majority of drivers were involved in 25 years ago and I was there when he won at 12-1 with E.A.'s Thunder with the group from Marseilles/Ottawa that he drove for. 11.wp
I was also there at Erv Miller's barn in Springfield when Tim reeked of alcohol at 6:30 in the morning 74zac.1 because he had been on an all night bender 74zac.1 43xc.2 but came straight to the barn and had already jogged nearly every horse, all by himself before everyone else had arrived. Do you want me to tell you the stories I was told about Tim then? Of course not! Why? Because you are a fucking CRACKHEAD who has no clue what he is talking about! 11.hmzr 63z.uzi
How about when Tim took some of Erv's horses, but not mine, to Dover then popped a piss test for oxycontin which he didn't have a prescription for so he got suspended! Know anything about that you fucking idiot? 11.dt
Go Fuck Yourself CRACKHEAD! 95xz.2
You are one of the dumbest mother fuckers to every shovel horse shit. tmbz1
Get a lawyer you chicken shit fuck. 11.wj
Because you are going to need one when you pop Wisconsin"s Best again. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Pay back the purse money yet, you thief? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Nobody wants to hear you cry about how unfair the IRB is again and how "innocent" you are! 63xz.2 63xz.2
Ask Molitor how his "monster" LEE AVE did after he got cocky and sent his juiced rat to the Meadowlands? ngc3 ngc3
Is Wisconsin's Best going to be the next "miracle" horse to waste a trip to New Jersey? tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
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And what's his past got to do with his present swoodal?
63xz.2 63xz.2 63xz.2 63xz.2
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. 74zac.1 43xc.2
Where do I begin genius? 98za.ag
Let's see why do cops question all known sex offenders when a woman is raped? 98za.ag
Why don't we allow pedophiles to relocate next to schools? 98za.ag
Why do courts force DUI offenders to blow into a breathalyzer before they can start their car? 74zac.1
Why don't banks hire convicted bank robbers as tellers? 63xz.2
Why don't car dealerships hire paroled car thieves as salesmen? Maybe Luc can tell us? tmbz1
Why don't racetracks allow convicted race fixers to train/drive again? Oops...they do! 91zxa.1 77z.chf 91.jzail
Now that I think about it Cigar, you might be right. What does the past have to do with the present? 98za.ag
What famous person said "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it"? 62za.clp
I don't know must be some crazy person, right Cigar? 11.dt ngc3 ngc3
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Your an idiot swoodall!!!!!!!!!! You talk the same stupid shit all the time. You are a true retard that always hates good luck in life fool.
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Why don't you go out there and drive einstein.
And what's his past got to do with his present swoodal?
Isn't THAT why they have PAST PERFORMANCE lines in the program? You can ONLY predict the future by examining the past.
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You know what swoodal, since your so sure about that stiff I'm gonna give Tim a number to a good lawyer so he can go after you for slander and lost drives. And I will be the first one to testify that I won't use him to drive because of your comments.
OH YEAH, THAT WILL BE A LOT OF MONEY. Will Curtin have to testify how much he GOT PAID to lose in those races he lost? Won't THAT offset ANY monetary awards he MIGHT be entitled to? And EXACTLY HOW MUCH COULD HE POSSIBLY MAKE DRIVING YOUR 1 WIN HORSE WHO TESTED POSITIVE ANYWAY? Hope you get a REAL GOOD lawyer. 73cv.2 73cv.2
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You're even MORE stupid than most horsemen.
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Your an idiot swoodall!!!!!!!!!! You talk the same stupid shit all the time. You are a true retard that always hates good luck in life fool.
More gibberish disguised as logic. 11.hmzr
Do you not understand the difference between luck, hard work, cheating with chemistry or race fixing? 84zac.1
Good luck is winning the lottery. tmbz1
Winning by juicing your horse then getting caught and suspended is not "good luck". 94z.sm
Thats cheating. hcx.1
Good luck is winning by competing within the rules on a level playing field. tmbz1
Oh wait...I should stop...I sound like an idiot who hates good luck, sorry cigar. ngc3 ngc3
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ngc3 ok I'm done arguing with you, Tim Curtin is a good guy. Leave the guy off your conspiracy bullshit, you wanna talk shit about me ok but leave him alone. He don't bother anyone and always tries when I use him on my horses. So sorry if I happen to stick up for a guy that you slander. You wanna talk shit about him do it to his face. I'm actually done with this horseplop bullshit in my entire life I have never seen so many hateful people. Swoodall I don't think your an idiot but you do have some serious issues. To be frankly honest with you Steven I think you want to own horses again you just don't have any $$$$ to do it, that's why you attack most in the game. Anyways good luck in your future endeavors I'm out of here.
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ALRIGHT I HAVE TO PUT MY TWO CENTS IN ON THIS
WITHOUT GIVING AWAY WHO I AM
CIGAR YOU ARE OK IN MY BOOK
BUT YOU COME OF AS AN ASSHOLE
IF PEOPLE DONT KNOW YOU
I HAVE SEEN YOU HELP PEOPLE OUT
AT THE TRACK FOR NO GIVEN REASON
THAT HORSE WISCONSIN TERRIFIC JOB
HE WAS A NO COUNT BEFORE YOU GOT HIM
I HAVE SEEN YOU GET TO THE TRACK VERY
EARLY BEFORE YOU RUN OFF TO YOUR JOB
YOU LEARNED ALOT IN A SHORT FEW YEARS
I GIVE YOU ALOT OF CREDIT YOUR GUY CHRIS
HELPED YOU AND SO DID A FEW OTHER GUYS
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOVE AND PASSION FOR
THE HORSES THAT MOST GUYS DONT
BUT YOUR NOT VERY DIPLOMATIC
STAY OFF THESE SITES MOST OF THESE GUYS
DONT KNOW HOW YOU ARE IN PERSON
AND DONT GET MAD EASY KID YOUR BETTER
THAN THAT GOOD LUCK REST OF THE MEET
AND STAY THE WAY YOU ARE NEXT TIME SAY
HI WHEN I WALK BY YOU KID :)
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ngc3 ok I'm done arguing with you, Tim Curtin is a good guy. Leave the guy off your conspiracy bullshit, you wanna talk shit about me ok but leave him alone. He don't bother anyone and always tries when I use him on my horses. So sorry if I happen to stick up for a guy that you slander. You wanna talk shit about him do it to his face. I'm actually done with this horseplop bullshit in my entire life I have never seen so many hateful people. Swoodall I don't think your an idiot but you do have some serious issues. To be frankly honest with you Steven I think you want to own horses again you just don't have any $$$$ to do it, that's why you attack most in the game. Anyways good luck in your future endeavors I'm out of here.
Tim Curtin is one of the biggest drunks around. Throw in a bad history with drugs doesn't lead one to think highly of him.
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ALRIGHT I HAVE TO PUT MY TWO CENTS IN ON THIS
WITHOUT GIVING AWAY WHO I AM
CIGAR YOU ARE OK IN MY BOOK
BUT YOU COME OF AS AN ASSHOLE
IF PEOPLE DONT KNOW YOU
I HAVE SEEN YOU HELP PEOPLE OUT
AT THE TRACK FOR NO GIVEN REASON
THAT HORSE WISCONSIN TERRIFIC JOB
HE WAS A NO COUNT BEFORE YOU GOT HIM
I HAVE SEEN YOU GET TO THE TRACK VERY
EARLY BEFORE YOU RUN OFF TO YOUR JOB
YOU LEARNED ALOT IN A SHORT FEW YEARS
I GIVE YOU ALOT OF CREDIT YOUR GUY CHRIS
HELPED YOU AND SO DID A FEW OTHER GUYS
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOVE AND PASSION FOR
THE HORSES THAT MOST GUYS DONT
BUT YOUR NOT VERY DIPLOMATIC
STAY OFF THESE SITES MOST OF THESE GUYS
DONT KNOW HOW YOU ARE IN PERSON
AND DONT GET MAD EASY KID YOUR BETTER
THAN THAT GOOD LUCK REST OF THE MEET
AND STAY THE WAY YOU ARE NEXT TIME SAY
HI WHEN I WALK BY YOU KID :)
You're a good guy sticking up for Cigar and I'm sure Cigar does have some positive traits somewhere. 62za.clp
But Eugene was born in 1970 and is definitely not a kid. 11.hmzr
Cigar was 2 when I first went to a ractetrack, yet he thinks he knows everything about everybody. angbk
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ngc3 ok I'm done arguing with you, Tim Curtin is a good guy. Leave the guy off your conspiracy bullshit, you wanna talk shit about me ok but leave him alone. He don't bother anyone and always tries when I use him on my horses. So sorry if I happen to stick up for a guy that you slander. You wanna talk shit about him do it to his face. I'm actually done with this horseplop bullshit in my entire life I have never seen so many hateful people. Swoodall I don't think your an idiot but you do have some serious issues. To be frankly honest with you Steven I think you want to own horses again you just don't have any $$$$ to do it, that's why you attack most in the game. Anyways good luck in your future endeavors I'm out of here.
In the grand tradition of a famous Jim Dolbee quote, Tim Curtin "Taught the betting public a lesson". :1 :1
And what you think about it doesn't matter one bit. tmbz1
Is it really slander when I was standing right there next to him holding my breath while he reeked of sour alcohol? hcx.1
Again, another definition you need to look up. tmbz1
1st person accounts are not hearsay nor slander, they are commonly referred to as an eye witness account! tmbz1
Ask Tim if he ever conspired with Scott Robbins, Dave Maxwell, Art Gregory etc... at Balmoral to "have his turn"? 11.wp
When Flapper first started racing I was told by Earl not to bet until Maxwell said it was our turn to win. 53zva.1
Flapper paid $22 to win and keyed a $5,000 tri when Del Chupp got up for 2nd with the longest shot on the board. hcx.1
Tim didn't drive in my race but was part of that click. 68xv.2
You can't silence the truth nor will you be able to contain it. tmbz1
Plop will survive any attempts by whatever lawyer you can afford trying to shut it down. tmbz1
I will tell you something that I sometimes have to remind my kids. 91zxa.1
Just because YOU didn't witness it doesn't mean it didn't happen. 11.dt
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SWOODY
I BETCHA YOU COULD WRITE A BOOK ABOUT ALL THE SKULLDUGGERY THAT HAS HAPPENED AT THE CHICAGO AREA TRACKS. YOU MUST HAVE SOME GREAT STORIES. AND THEN SOME OF THESE OLE COCK KNOCKERS WONDER WHY HARNESS RACING, CHICAGO IN PARTICULAR, HAS SUNK AS LOW AS IT HAS.
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SWOODY
I BETCHA YOU COULD WRITE A BOOK ABOUT ALL THE SKULLDUGGERY THAT HAS HAPPENED AT THE CHICAGO AREA TRACKS. YOU MUST HAVE SOME GREAT STORIES. AND THEN SOME OF THESE OLE COCK KNOCKERS WONDER WHY HARNESS RACING, CHICAGO IN PARTICULAR, HAS SUNK AS LOW AS IT HAS.
available in the fiction section...
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available in the fiction section...
ARE YOU SAYING SWOODY MAY TELL A FIB OR ARE YOU SAYING THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES WITH CHICAGO HARNESS RACING?
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SWOODY
I BETCHA YOU COULD WRITE A BOOK ABOUT ALL THE SKULLDUGGERY THAT HAS HAPPENED AT THE CHICAGO AREA TRACKS. YOU MUST HAVE SOME GREAT STORIES. AND THEN SOME OF THESE OLE COCK KNOCKERS WONDER WHY HARNESS RACING, CHICAGO IN PARTICULAR, HAS SUNK AS LOW AS IT HAS.
Stan Stucker an old trainer back in the 70's used to be the best at spinning track stories. tmbz1
None funnier then when Don Brooks was so drunk he fell out of the race bike onto the track. ngc3 ngc3
He had tons of old Bob Farrington stories from Washington Park. tmbz1
Supposedly good ole Bob was the master at using hidden ownership and beards. 68xv.2
But those days are gone and so are most of the horsemen.
When I was 14 I knew who Racetrack Phil was but he didn't know me. I was told to never talk to anyone in his entourage.
When I was 16 I helped Jim Curran hide his Eldorado from Farrington's daughter whom he was fooling around on at the time.
I drove it from the horsemen's lot to his apartment west of Sportsman's Park and hid the keys behind a plant in the building's garage. Jim used to give us some pretty good winners. It's Under Current in front at the wire. tmbz1
Ahh...the good old days. 84zac.1
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C'MON SWOODY, PUT PEN TO PAPER. SCOTT N. WROTE A BOOK, WHY CAN'T YOU?
YOU COULD GET SOME HELP FROM THAT GUY THAT USED TO POST ON BARN TO WIRE. CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME BUT I GUESS HE WAS A HARNESS RACING REPORTER IN CHICAGO. HE USED TO GO TO ALL THE
RACING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND WOULD REQUEST TIME TO SPEAK. AND ONE TIME HE WAS IN THE NEWS FOR HIS PROTEST. CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS PROTESTING, BUT HE ROPED OFF THIS LITTLE AREA I THINK IN THE INFIELD AND SAID HE WOULD NOT LEAVE.
DO YOU KNOW WHO I MEAN? I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME REMEMBER THE GUY'S NAME. BUT I GUESS HE WAS A BIG TIME REPORTER. MAYBE HE WOULD TEAM UP WITH YOU AND YOU GUYS WOULD CRANK OUT A BEST-SELLER. tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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C'MON SWOODY, PUT PEN TO PAPER. SCOTT N. WROTE A BOOK, WHY CAN'T YOU?
YOU COULD GET SOME HELP FROM THAT GUY THAT USED TO POST ON BARN TO WIRE. CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME BUT I GUESS HE WAS A HARNESS RACING REPORTER IN CHICAGO. HE USED TO GO TO ALL THE
RACING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND WOULD REQUEST TIME TO SPEAK. AND ONE TIME HE WAS IN THE NEWS FOR HIS PROTEST. CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS PROTESTING, BUT HE ROPED OFF THIS LITTLE AREA I THINK IN THE INFIELD AND SAID HE WOULD NOT LEAVE.
DO YOU KNOW WHO I MEAN? I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME REMEMBER THE GUY'S NAME. BUT I GUESS HE WAS A BIG TIME REPORTER. MAYBE HE WOULD TEAM UP WITH YOU AND YOU GUYS WOULD CRANK OUT A BEST-SELLER. tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Some of these older guys including Dan N and even Cigar (45) don't know how I used to know so many older horsemen and know so much about what happened in harness racing during it's heyday in the 70's and early 80's.
I might be able to dust off some cob webs for them because I was young back them and some don't remember me.
A friend of my father's owned a Phillips 66 gas station close to old Washington Park where he did repair work for a shit load of horsemen during that time. Walt, the owner, did a lot of work for Bob Farrington and started running bets for Farrington along with Shorty Farrington's main runner. Walt moved over to a Phillips 66 in Hazel Crest when Washington Park burnt down and his horsemen buddies followed.
During the summer I would come up north to Illinois and stay with my dad and pump gas for Walt during the day. I met all the horsemen there at Walt's where I pumped their gas, checked their oil and listen to them talk when they would hang out while Walt did work for them. Jim Dolbee was by far my favorite.
When I got my license I helped transport trailers or trucks that Walt worked on back to these horsemen. These old horsemen use to tell racing stories non stop and they clearly they didn't win every time. John Curran (Jim's dad) told about how he was planning a trip to go buy Rambling Willie but Farrington left the weekend before he was schedule to leave and beat him to it. Jim was married to Farrington's daughter.
I went to the track every night with Walt and when a horsemen sent a bet with Walt, Walt would give it to me to bet because touts would follow him to the windows. So Walt would sit on the bench below the driver's room by the outdoor paddock with Shorty while I went to a special teller who knew who I was and why I was betting.
I was always referred to as "the kid". I was always respectful to these horsemen saying yes sir and no sir, so a lot of times they tried to help me handicap the daily double (wink wink) because Walt was paying me slave wages. Dolbee would say to me "I hope you aren't gambling your money away on Walt's tips" I told him absolutely not, I was saving my money to buy a car.
So Jim Dolbee tried to help me out by giving me hints (wink wink) on which horses to play. He told me one summer night that Daryl Busse had a big shot of winning both ends of the daily double on a couple of long shots but not to bet too much because the horses might not be fully ready yet. So I got brave for a 16 year old and bet a $10 Busse-Busse daily double.
Busse won both ends by a nose and the daily double paid $450.00 for $2! tmbz1
By that Friday I had a low miles 1970 Nova SS 350 with Rally Sport rims owned by an old greek guy who wanted to buy a Buick instead, that I changed and bought wider tires. Man that V8 would fly.
I went from dud to stud with my friends in high school with that car. tmbz1
Thanks Mr. Dolbee may you rest in peace.
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WAS IRA SMOLIN SNITCHING ON PEOPLE BACK IN THE OLD DAYS??? BACK THEN THEY DIDNT TAKE TO KINDLY TO SNITCHES. HOW DID IRA SURVIVE?
SL
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This,is a funny topic.
Dick Kurtzworth
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WAS IRA SMOLIN SNITCHING ON PEOPLE BACK IN THE OLD DAYS??? BACK THEN THEY DIDNT TAKE TO KINDLY TO SNITCHES. HOW DID IRA SURVIVE?
SL
I have said this many times in the past here on Plop and at other sites...
Ira always fought the good fight for the horsemen when he was on the IHHA Board. tmbz1
Ira, Dan, Bruce and a few others tried to help the small stables and level the playing field. tmbz1
But money talks and cheaters ruled the racetracks in Illinois so they did the best they could. 62za.clp
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SWOOEY....anyone who was around back then knows that. My articles were so anti.management. .that LANGLEY. threatened to deny me stalls......my friends were. JEFF NORTHROP..AND DAN POPROSKI.......5 races and night were fixed....I never ratted anyone out. ...it's bullshit
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SWOOEY....anyone who was around back then knows that. My articles were so anti.management. .that LANGLEY. threatened to deny me stalls......my friends were. JEFF NORTHROP..AND DAN POPROSKI.......5 races and night were fixed....I never ratted anyone out. ...it's bullshit
I know that is true. tmbz1
Guys who tried to rat Banks and his mob out either ended up dead/missing or after their lives were threatened they were so afraid they got out of town as fast as their dually could carry them.
And when an outside chemist thief like Pelling tried to commingle with the local thieves Langley would protect the local gang by sending Pelling and his like packing.
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I know that is true. tmbz1
Guys who tried to rat Banks and his mob out either ended up dead/missing or after their lives were threatened they were so afraid they got out of town as fast as their dually could carry them.
And when an outside chemist thief like Pelling tried to commingle with the local thieves Langley would protect the local gang by sending Pelling and his like packing.
EXACTLY TRUE. LANGLEY PROTECTED BUSSEE AND BANKS. HE THREW OUT ANYONE WHO OUTDROVE OR OUTJUICED THEM. NOW LANGLEY IS OLD AND GRAY AND BUSSEE AND BANKS ARE IN HELL GETTING ASS FUCKED BY LUCIFER. THATS LIFE.
SL
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In the grand tradition of a famous Jim Dolbee quote, Tim Curtin "Taught the betting public a lesson". :1 :1
And what you think about it doesn't matter one bit. tmbz1
Is it really slander when I was standing right there next to him holding my breath while he reeked of sour alcohol? hcx.1
Again, another definition you need to look up. tmbz1
1st person accounts are not hearsay nor slander, they are commonly referred to as an eye witness account! tmbz1
Ask Tim if he ever conspired with Scott Robbins, Dave Maxwell, Art Gregory etc... at Balmoral to "have his turn"? 11.wp
When Flapper first started racing I was told by Earl not to bet until Maxwell said it was our turn to win. 53zva.1
Flapper paid $22 to win and keyed a $5,000 tri when Del Chupp got up for 2nd with the longest shot on the board. hcx.1
Tim didn't drive in my race but was part of that click. 68xv.2
You can't silence the truth nor will you be able to contain it. tmbz1
Plop will survive any attempts by whatever lawyer you can afford trying to shut it down. tmbz1
I will tell you something that I sometimes have to remind my kids. 91zxa.1
Just because YOU didn't witness it doesn't mean it didn't happen. 11.dt
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Roger and Ralph Davino were the best for knowing which horses were ready, usually with Butch driving.
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TALES OF FIXING FARRINGTONS CAR AND GETTING LIVE TIPS AT HIS FATHERS GAS STATION HAVE WALT DISNEY CRYING
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TALES OF FIXING FARRINGTONS CAR AND GETTING LIVE TIPS AT HIS FATHERS GAS STATION HAVE WALT DISNEY CRYING
Had so many jobs as a kid retired by the time high school was over
Sucking off govt teet ever since
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Had so many jobs as a kid retired by the time high school was over
Sucking off govt teet ever since
AND HAD SO MANY GUYS TELL HIM WHEN TO BET...HEZ BROKE
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Roger and Ralph Davino were the best for knowing which horses were ready, usually with Butch driving.
Usually Joe Marsh Jr. driving.