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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wisha roder on April 22, 2024, 02:45:32 PM
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What stallion had offspring you swore you’d never buy another?
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CHECK SIX
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Well Said
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Nothing worse than a disappointing stud.
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Quik pulse mindale. I can’t believe he’s still on the market.
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well said, art major, & artspeak. Wouldn't want another if you gave me for free.
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Art Official, David's Pass , Bret Hanover, Yankee Glide(great broodmare sire , though)
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Lola's Express
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What a great question. A horse shipped in from Canada to race at the Meadowlands. He was for sale. They were asking $100k (I think). He was racing, every week. A few guys were standing around, this horse being for sale came up in the conversation, and one Hall of Fame driver said, "He doesn't know who he is by (the stallion), he's racing, just look at him as a racehorse and what he's doing. Look at the horse, he's racing, his pedigree means nothing." Another Hall of Fame driver/trainer, who was considering buying the horse said, "I don't know, he's by XXXXXXXXXXX (the name of the stallion) and for the most part they don't have that real heart, that toughness, it's a lot of money to pay for a XXXXXXXXXXX. I don't know, he's going to have to race against some tough horses, and be pretty tough to not just be competitive, but win. Tough to overcome that pedigree racing against those kind of horses." So, two Hall of Famers, apples and bowling balls, LOL.
I don't know. I haven't had one that turned out so bad that I would eliminate the stallion completely. If you did-----why? Was the horse a sulker? Couldn't stay sound and the stallion was known for it? Bad trainer? No heart? I'd have to really think about it. Great question. Thanks.
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Well Said
Art major and well said, good stallions with bad reps.
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Dewy. His poor showing as a sire can in part be attributed to his management. I mean, he was lights out as a racehorse. A super handsome dude.
Lucky Chucky . He had a lot of prommiss and was given some very good mares. I am told he produced many frail boned animals.
In the age of EPO and other man made chemicals, it is difficult to trust anything.
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Art Official, David's Pass , Bret Hanover, Yankee Glide(great broodmare sire , though)
Please explain how Bret Hanover was a bad sire.
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Much better broodmare sire....name 5 great horses he sired...none like him on the track...
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Please explain how Bret Hanover was a bad sire.
His son’s didn’t measure up as sires generally .
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Much better broodmare sire....name 5 great horses he sired...none like him on the track...
Can we count his sons that won "The Little Brown Jug". or are those just county fair races?
You are 100% right about a broodmare sire.
Here is what I found odd.
His top ten money earners and top ten fastest were all males, but yet it was the females that carried on the best genes.
Considering that Somebeachsomewher e has two crosses to Bret Hanover, I think Bret's influence will be around a long time.
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A bit of stallion triva.
Is Nevel Pride in Somebeachsomewher e's pedigree?
If so how many other trotters are in SBSW's five generation pedigree?
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Dewy. His poor showing as a sire can in part be attributed to his management. I mean, he was lights out as a racehorse. A super handsome dude.
Lucky Chucky . He had a lot of prommiss and was given some very good mares. I am told he produced many frail boned animals.
In the age of EPO and other man made chemicals, it is difficult to trust anything.
Interestingly, both are pretty decent broodmare sires, IMO.
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A bit of stallion triva.
Is Nevel Pride in Somebeachsomewher e's pedigree?
If so how many other trotters are in SBSW's five generation pedigree?
Yes, and at least a few others.
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Can we count his sons that won "The Little Brown Jug". or are those just county fair races?
You are 100% right about a broodmare sire.
Here is what I found odd.
His top ten money earners and top ten fastest were all males, but yet it was the females that carried on the best genes.
Considering that Somebeachsomewher e has two crosses to Bret Hanover, I think Bret's influence will be around a long time.
Strike Out, Melvin's Woe...and Storm Damage was second to some colt named Niatross! 😉
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Ralph Hanover
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A bit of stallion triva.
Is Nevel Pride in Somebeachsomewher e's pedigree?
If so how many other trotters are in SBSW's five generation pedigree?
Noble Victory and Scotch Claire, Nevele Pride and Pompanette, Countess Vivian dam of Meadow skipper has Volomite blood as does Armbro Impel dam of Armbro Nesbit. Harvest Miss has trotting blood too. Thats not all.
When you go to the 5th generation almost all of them have some trotting blood somewhere in their pedigree mostly Volomite and Axworthy.
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What a great question. A horse shipped in from Canada to race at the Meadowlands. He was for sale. They were asking $100k (I think). He was racing, every week. A few guys were standing around, this horse being for sale came up in the conversation, and one Hall of Fame driver said, "He doesn't know who he is by (the stallion), he's racing, just look at him as a racehorse and what he's doing. Look at the horse, he's racing, his pedigree means nothing." Another Hall of Fame driver/trainer, who was considering buying the horse said, "I don't know, he's by XXXXXXXXXXX (the name of the stallion) and for the most part they don't have that real heart, that toughness, it's a lot of money to pay for a XXXXXXXXXXX. I don't know, he's going to have to race against some tough horses, and be pretty tough to not just be competitive, but win. Tough to overcome that pedigree racing against those kind of horses." So, two Hall of Famers, apples and bowling balls, LOL.
I don't know. I haven't had one that turned out so bad that I would eliminate the stallion completely. If you did-----why? Was the horse a sulker? Couldn't stay sound and the stallion was known for it? Bad trainer? No heart? I'd have to really think about it. Great question. Thanks.
After they are 3 years old it makes no difference what their breeding is.
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Strike Out, Melvin's Woe...and Storm Damage was second to some colt named Niatross! 😉
Strike Out had a killer open/ Inv pacer called Fulla Strikes. (Chris Broring)
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Mister big
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When you go to the 5th generation almost all of them have some trotting blood somewhere in their pedigree mostly Volomite and Axworthy.
Off topic I know, but a favorite old horseman joke.
An old time trainer and a young trainer sitting on a knockers bench.
Colt goes by a kicking and a bucking.
Old timer "Looks like that colt has to much Volomite in him".
Young trainer " How much and how far out do you give that stuff"?