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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: harnessplop on April 16, 2024, 04:08:54 PM
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Hollywood asked this very question to several Meadowlands guys years ago. Top 5, tetrick, Herve, Walter, Billy O, from ron.pierve himself I'll say Joe obrien
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So many up there...others have said jack moisevey...Brenna n, Sears, Campbell, lachance
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Hollywood asked this very question to several Meadowlands guys years ago. Top 5, tetrick, Herve, Walter, Billy O, from ron.pierve himself I'll say Joe obrien
Ron Pierce DID NOT SAY himself. George Brennen did.
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Walter Case, Billy O’Donnell, John Campbell, Herve Filion, and Jason Bartlett
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My top five are John Campbell, Cat Manzi, Del Insko, Carmine Abbatiello, and Herve Fillon.
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Ron pier e said Joe obrien...i typed it wrong. Was Jack m great?,
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Maybe everyone here should pick 2 from each decade
1950’s through the 2020’s
Tough to compare the past to the present on this
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1) Daryl Busse
2) Walter Paisley
3) Dave Magee
4) Stanley Banks
5) Jim Curran
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1) Daryl Busse
2) Walter Paisley
3) Dave Magee
4) Stanley Banks
5) Jim Curran
Did you ever see racing outside of Illinois based on this list??
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Scott Zeron , David Miller ,Herve Filion ,Ron Pierce ,Joe O'brien
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Herve
Case
Campbell
Lachance
Pierce
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Herve
Campbell
Pierce
Timmy T
Sears
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Ron Pierce DID NOT SAY himself. George Brennen did.
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John C
Billy O
Herve
Pierce
Sears
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Herve
Keith Waples
John Campbell
Buddy Gilmour
Bill O'Donnell
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those are all tremendous names.
Gingras a nose for fifth?
Palone..Merriman?
CRITERIA FOR ALL:
LONGEVITY
WIN WHEN YOURE SUPPOSED TO
WIN WITH BIG MONEY HORSE WHEN EXPECTED
DIG OUT A TOP THREE FINISH..ANY RACE, ALL RACES AS OFTEN AS POSS.
...perhaps the question,,,the five driver/trainer combos
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John Campbell
Brian Sears
Ronnie Pearce
Aaron Merriman
George Brennan
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John Campbell
Brian Sears
Ron Pearce
Tetrick
Lachance
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Brian Sears
Ron Pierce
George Brennan
Tim Tetrick
Walter Case Jr.
In time Dexter Dunn will be there too
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John Campbell
Buddy Gilmour
Stanley Dancer
Tim Tetrick
Levi Harner
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dont see david miller on any list would take him over sears anytime
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Long body of quality work.
Yes, David Miller a force and deserving of Top5 considera.
..saw Scott Zeron name earlier
Cant argue with his career to this point.
Longevity yet to be his guarantee
Wally Hennessey called...im pretty good too
If it Mt Rushmore status were talking about, and it is, cant give Wally enough of the big money events.
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Long body of quality work.
Yes, David Miller a force and deserving of Top5 considera.
..saw Scott Zeron name earlier
Cant argue with his career to this point.
Longevity yet to be his guarantee
Wally Hennessey called...im pretty good too
If it Mt Rushmore status were talking about, and it is, cant give Wally enough of the big money events.
Did Walter Case Jr. have many 'big money' events?
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What about Bill Haughton and Ron Waples??
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Russell Rash
Jacque Dupuis
Michael SantaMaria
Dustin Blumenfeld
Donnie Dancer
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Herve
Buddy
Miller
Pierce
Case
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Russell Rash
Jacque Dupuis
Michael SantaMaria
Dustin Blumenfeld
Donnie Dancer
This list is funny because it is so awful
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Russell Rash
Jacque Dupuis
Michael SantaMaria
Dustin Blumenfeld
Donnie Dancer
Rash had the biggest biceps!!
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Magee. Campbell. Case Brennan. D.miller
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1. Herve Filion 2. Keith Waples 3. John Campbell 4. William O Donnell 5. Tony Morgan.
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Maybe everyone here should pick 2 from each decade
1950’s through the 2020’s
Tough to compare the past to the present on this
Agree, especially if you never saw guys from the 50's, 60's and so forth race consistently.
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I think it would be fun to rate the regular drivers by track in various decades. Monticello would be interesting because it was such a great proving ground when drivers like Carmine, Loosh, Cat and others started their climbs there. Then you had next tier drivers like Marvin Maker, Levi and Eldon Harner, the Popfingers, the Pattersons, Zeke Parker, the Gilmores, Jim Grundy and for a short time Benny Webster tore the place up while not being allowed downstate during a long suspension. Then honorable mention to John Manzi who was one of the greatest track promoters ever after ending his short driving career. In my opinion MR overall was the greatest harness track. Miss and Mrs Monticello beauty contests, Ostrich, Elephant and Pet Dog exhibition races, Rock n Racing doubleheaders with big time singers all for free!! Brothers where has all of this gone?
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Great place back in the day. Fun place to race, lot of great horses to watch.
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On my list would be the drivers from the 1950's, 60's, and 70's.
They had to be good to win with the knee knocking, cross firering, bad gaited, and lame run aways of that era.
Today's drivers get to throw the lines at more natural gaited stronger horses that have the benefit for up to date vet work.
On my list would be national dash winning champs Don Busse and Bob Farrington.
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None of the current drivers can or should be considered. They are too friendly with each other especially the grand circuit drivers. They know they are all making a ton of money, and they all will get their turn, so there is not much hardball played these days. Best driver I ever seen in person was Walter Case, he really could get one to go. Because of his problems he can't be considered the best ever, but if you lineup every driver in their prime, and you needed one win, he is at the top of that list.
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On my list would be the drivers from the 1950's, 60's, and 70's.
I go back to like forever and you might expect me to admire the headliners of yesteryear. I wish I could but the drivers (including me) were horrible and to a man they were brutal to the horses. We all looked up to the greats of the day but now when I watch the grainy videos I want to cover my eyes.
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An interesting thought process. Top 5 all time but other than one's own opinion of...skill? Wins? talent?
I mean for example, I doubt anyone was better than JC in money events. I doubt ANY driver ever had as much literal talent as Walter Case Jr. I also doubt as it goes for driving the day in and outs of Tony Morgan.
Then it goes to the greats of the now distant past. Say Herve, who has to be on that list.
Dave Magee was as good with every type of horse and dominated a really solid driving colony for 20 years.
I think you can only be X amount of good and you're splitting hairs as to personal preferences. Success isn't the end all be all when it comes to this kind of topic. Makes for a great discussion for those who love the game.
My five would be, John Campbell, Dave Magee, Tony Morgan, Herve Fillion, and on simply pure talent Walter Case.
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Luc
Campbell
Lachance
O’Donnell
Tony Morgan
(Tie)
Tim tetrick
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John Campbell,Palone, Bill Gale, jeff James, Mario Ballargion
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WOW I WENT BACK AND SKIMMED ALL 3 PAGES. NOT ONE PERSON MENTIONED DAVE PALONE. INTERESTING.
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Campbell, Case, Pierce, LaChance, Purple Jesus
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1) Tetrick
2) Case
3) Dave Miller
4) Brennen
5) Louis P. Roy
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Mike LaChance
Ron Pierce
Carmine Abbatiello
John Campbell
William O'Donnell
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An interesting thought process. Top 5 all time but other than one's own opinion of...skill? Wins? talent?
I mean for example, I doubt anyone was better than JC in money events. I doubt ANY driver ever had as much literal talent as Walter Case Jr. I also doubt as it goes for driving the day in and outs of Tony Morgan.
Then it goes to the greats of the now distant past. Say Herve, who has to be on that list.
Dave Magee was as good with every type of horse and dominated a really solid driving colony for 20 years.
I think you can only be X amount of good and you're splitting hairs as to personal preferences. Success isn't the end all be all when it comes to this kind of topic. Makes for a great discussion for those who love the game.
My five would be, John Campbell, Dave Magee, Tony Morgan, Herve Fillion, and on simply pure talent Walter Case.
Campbell could still drive with the best at the meadowlands if he had to at the present time. Campbell had a knack of being in the right place at the right time than most other drivers. It didn’t hurt any that he might have had better horses to drive also.
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1.David Miller
2. John Campbell
3. Wally Hennessey
4. Ron Pierce
5. Walter Case Jr
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There are a ton of great drivers, it's hard for me to pick:
Fillion
Case
Campbell
Pierce
LaChance
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1. Campbell
2 OD
3 Webster
4 remmen
5 merriman
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Love the replies....lots of Herve and campbell
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This is easy...
1. Campbell
2. Herve
3. O'Donnell
4. LaChance
5 you can have your pick, Miller, Sears, Case, Tetrick, Luc, ......there are probably 20 that could fit in here. But I'd go with Sears.
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I forgot to mention…maybe not a top 5….but Simon Allard is in the top 5 in our hearts.
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JOHN MONACO
MARTIN KENNEY
FRANK PETRELLI
BREVATOR CREECH
STEVE SMITH
I STAND BY MY TOP 5. 100% 11.wp tmbz1
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1. Purple Jesus 2. Lew Williams 3. Walter Paisley 4. John Campbell 5. Ron Pierce, Bionic Man {Tie}
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This table provides some perspective (although it heavily weights those races overseen by the Hambletonian Society (and mostly more recent ones..i.e. last 25 years). Not sure you can narrow the list to 5, so I would go with a "Lucky 7" of:
John Campbell
Ron Pierce
Brian Sears
Herve Filion
Mike LaChance
Dave Miller
Tim Tetrick
For major Northeast "raceway" in the past 40 years (Meadowlands, Roosevelt and Yonkers), one might look at Case, Brennan, Webster, Abbatiello, Gilmour, Billy OD. For diagonal-gait one might add in John Patterson and look at (again) LaChance, Pierce, Cambell and Webster.
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Was Jackie m top 5 moiseyev
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Any list that doesn't include Campbell and Herve should be deleted.
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John Campbell
Bill O'Donnell
Buddy Gilmour
Herve Filion
Mike Lachance
I hesitate to leave Brian Sears off that list.
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Was Jackie m top 5 moiseyev
He wasn't top 10000.
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John Campbell
Bill O'Donnell
Buddy Gilmour
Herve Filion
Mike Lachance
I hesitate to leave Brian Sears off that list.
Brian Sears cannot be left off any list IMO. He was a top driver at the M against the best drivers in the world for a long time. I agree with everyone on your list but it should be the Top 6 drivers of all time with Ron Pierce added if you make your list a Top 7.
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Brian Sears cannot be left off any list IMO.
Big no to Sears because:
- he doesn't turn and burn
- he doesn't get into spastic contortions under the guise of "urging"
- he apparently has no afflictions with his bottom as he sits still in the bike
- and worst of all he's a finesse driver which doesn't wash with the grandstand goofs
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Brian Sears cannot be left off any list IMO. He was a top driver at the M against the best drivers in the world for a long time. I agree with everyone on your list but it should be the Top 6 drivers of all time with Ron Pierce added if you make your list a Top 7.
With Brian Sears, Ron Pierce was my next choice, however, I also hesitated to leave Jack Moiseyev off my list. IMO, it's moronic to say he only accomplished what he did because he drove for Robinson and Pelling in the heyday. My list is the greatest drivers of all time. Not the greatest statistics, accomplishments, trophies, etc. of all time. For me it's about talent, ability, skills, how you would rate a driver in the various categories of those skills and attributes that drivers must have. With that, Jack is on the list. So is Ron Pierce. I looked to take one off the list, and add Brian. I thought about taking Mike Lachance off the list and adding Brian. I'd still be OK with that top 5, but I just didn't. I thought about taking Herve off the list, but then I said to myself, no, you just can't. I think many people take Billy O'Donnell off the list and they add one of those others names. No, I wouldn't.
So with any 5 of those 8, I would not argue with anyone's top 5.
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WOW I WENT BACK AND SKIMMED ALL 3 PAGES. NOT ONE PERSON MENTIONED DAVE PALONE. INTERESTING.
He's no where near top five. Probably not top ten. He's big fish in small pond at the Meadows. He has used his power to dominate there for a long time. Can't win the big ones though. Doesn't travel because on the grand circuit he can't own half the field.
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1. Purple Jesus 2. Lew Williams 3. Walter Paisley 4. John Campbell 5. Ron Pierce, Bionic Man {Tie}
Did i see Marty Kenney drive at Monti? I admit to betting him frequently with one decent pacer he had..