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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Miles Long on February 23, 2018, 10:57:20 PM
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Was at qualifiers in the grandstands at Northville on Thursday telling people that he" getting a license ",,, for what he wouldn't say. ngc3 11.wj
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He is the definition of human garbage.
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On the track kid could make a horse go....
Off the track kid cant stay out of trouble
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Did his time , paid his fine ,let him have a fair chance to win a few for me ....
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This piece of garbage got a slap on the wrist for what he did:
St. Louis Jr.'s license revoked for 2 years
March 07, 2013 | Harnessracing.com
Michigan-based horseman Marc St. Louis Jr. has had his occupational license revoked and deemed ineligible for licensing until February 2015 by the Michigan Gaming Control Board for violation of probation stemming from an earlier incident in which he was suspended one year following the death of a horse and then attempting to "conceal, tamper and destroy evidence…by improperly burning and burying the dead horse.”
St. Louis was originally suspended for one year in August 2009 for "conduct detrimental to the best interest of horse racing” when he "under oath, made false and misleading statements regarding the death of the horse Alex E Mel,” also admitting to the death, burning and burial of the horse. In a ruling dated Feb. 19, 2011, St. Louis was placed on probation, which included the stipulation that he only drive horses and not train.
Sources have told harnessracing.com that St. Louis was recently discovered training horses at Shiawassee Farm in Michigan. As a result, on Feb. 4 he had his license revoked by the Gaming Control Board, which then deemed him ineligible to be licensed until Feb. 15, 2015.
St. Louis, 24, who won the dash and earnings title at the last-ever meet at Windsor Raceway in 2012, also ranked among the leading drivers at the Michigan racetracks. He ranked 24th in North American with 381 victories, with purse earnings of $1,155,906.
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This piece of shit should never be allowed in a race paddock whether it's to drive, train, groom or even clean the toilets.
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WELCOME BACK MARC. CORRECT SPELLING. ABOUT TIME, LET US KNOW WHEN WE CAN PUT YOU DOWN.. TO MAKE BOTH OF US SOME MONEY
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IF THAT CONVICT. ART McILLMURRY IS ALLOWED TO DRIVE I CANT SEE WHY THEY DONT LET ST. LOUIS BACK. I GUESS IT IS ALRIGHT HERE ON MICHIGAN TO CHEAT OWNERS AND THE BETTORS, LIKE ART DID, BUT MESS UP WHEN A HORSE DIES IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. SOME STRANGE SHIT GOES ON HERE IN THE MITTEN
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IF THAT CONVICT. ART McILLMURRY IS ALLOWED TO DRIVE I CANT SEE WHY THEY DONT LET ST. LOUIS BACK. I GUESS IT IS ALRIGHT HERE ON MICHIGAN TO CHEAT OWNERS AND THE BETTORS, LIKE ART DID, BUT MESS UP WHEN A HORSE DIES IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. SOME STRANGE SHIT GOES ON HERE IN THE MITTEN
He NOT ONLY killed the horse, HE SET FIRE TO IT. Then buried the carcass. AND tried to conceal THAT fact. Horse just magicallt "disappeared". WTF-Is he in the Mafia? He's a scum. Has NO business in harness racing nor ANYTHING to do with animals.
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He's STILL doing the training. 73cv.2 73cv.2 But those in control do NOT WANT to see that. Call them the Ostrich Club. They couldn't find Dean Eckley either. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 This business has turned completely into a bad joke.
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he should have to have some qualifying drives before getting to drive in parm races.
michigan will let any1 in!!!
disgrace!!!
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He did his suspension,no reason at all that he can't drive,his time is finished,nothing more he can do to make amends,let him back,no excuses accepted.Look at the scum in the industry,he should not be denied
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HAD 3 DRIVES IN Q'S TODAY. WON 2... READY TO BE BACK ON THE TRACK, BETTER THAN 99% OF THE REGULAR LOSERS
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HAD 3 DRIVES IN Q'S TODAY. WON 2... READY TO BE BACK ON THE TRACK, BETTER THAN 99% OF THE REGULAR LOSERS
Take his whip away and se how many races he wins.
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plain and simple, he can get one to go.... Good Luck Mark tmbz1
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plain and simple, he can get one to go.... Good Luck Mark tmbz1
he can sure light one up!
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He is driving in qualifiers at Northville this morning
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I predict he wins no less than 6 this weekend at Northville Downs.... tmbz1 tmbz1 the boys better be grabbing up in the first turn...
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Loves the chooch & can keep them going.
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Even a turd could shine in this pathetic driving colony. One thing is for sure, Marc will be slashin' stifles like crazy 11.wp. You will probably see his name soon on the USTA website (Fines and Suspensions) for excessive whipping.
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northville has not fined no one lol lol ...... wait for it!!!!!
why has his wife not changed her last name to st louis???
i kind of thought he(marc) should change his last name cuz he is such a bitch!!!
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Was at qualifiers in the grandstands at Northville on Thursday telling people that he" getting a license ",,, for what he wouldn't say. ngc3 11.wj
"Getting a license" for Killing horses, or Burning their remains to cover it up?
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Can you believe they gave this inbred, retard a license?
UNBELIEVABLE
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It's almost IMPOSSIBLE to get refused a license anymore. 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
Just a matter of time before he screws up again. ;D
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All the Walter Case fucks wanna give him 6000 chances. This guy kills one horse that we know of and you wanna end his career
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All the Walter Case fucks wanna give him 6000 chances. This guy kills one horse that we know of and you wanna end his career
Did you read what he did to that horse? And do you really believe THAT was the only horse he ever did that to? That guy is a complete fuck up. Couldn't even figure out how to get rid of the body correctly. And I do NOT want to give Case any more chances either.
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This POS should be hung by his balls.
Never to see daylight again
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Can you believe they gave this inbred, retard a license?
UNBELIEVABLE
Who licensed him
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Mark my words . If he gets licensed in Ohio. I will have my truck and trailer laminated saying what he did. And Ohio racing Commission licensed him to race at the Ohio tracks. Watch what did does for the attendance which is poor already.
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Ok,I will be the ass hole idiot here.Walter and Marc served their time,Mark served his suspension,Walter went to jail. WTF more are they supposed to do? To me,they paid for their mistakes and should be let back in,are they supposed to NEVER work again? Makes no sense what you guys are saying,are they bad guy's? YES,but after they served their time,what else can they do? NOTHING! I think it's fine for guy's like this to be let back in,they got punished,paid for it,now let them in,Good night
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Ok,I will be the ass hole idiot here.Walter and Marc served their time,Mark served his suspension,Walter went to jail. WTF more are they supposed to do? To me,they paid for their mistakes and should be let back in,are they supposed to NEVER work again? Makes no sense what you guys are saying,are they bad guy's? YES,but after they served their time,what else can they do? NOTHING! I think it's fine for guy's like this to be let back in,they got punished,paid for it,now let them in,Good night
Marc did serve his time but I think if anyone deserved lifetime banishment it should have been him.
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Ok,I will be the ass hole idiot here.Walter and Marc served their time,Mark served his suspension,Walter went to jail. WTF more are they supposed to do? To me,they paid for their mistakes and should be let back in,are they supposed to NEVER work again? Makes no sense what you guys are saying,are they bad guy's? YES,but after they served their time,what else can they do? NOTHING! I think it's fine for guy's like this to be let back in,they got punished,paid for it,now let them in,Good night
DON'T TELL ME.....I AM GUESSING YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT EVERY DAY PETE ROSE WALKED INTO THE CLUBHOUSE AND SAW THE SIGN THAT READ IF YOU BET ON BASEBALL YOU ARE BARRED FOREVER....YOU THINK HE READ THE SIGN, UNDERSTOOD IT, BUT THINKS HE HAS SERVED ENOUGH TIME...EVEN THOUGH THE SIGN SAYS YOU ARE BANISHED FOR LIFE.
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He drives the life out of horses,he beat them to the finish. It's unbelievable the heartlessness that a trainer will allow to score a win. Whips should be banned at all tracks!!!
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All the Walter Case fucks wanna give him 6000 chances. This guy kills one horse that we know of and you wanna end his career
Have you seen this guy drive? NOBODY wants to race with him.
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Have you seen this guy drive? NOBODY wants to race with him.
Very true, he tries to win every race he is in. That makes the rest of us look bad. Back in the day, he would be one of the guys we could post as the winner, when several of us were on the outs
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Have you seen this guy drive? NOBODY wants to race with him.
Are you kidding me ? I been a grandstand goof for 40yrs. If you dont think for one second i have not seen some hack jobs in them 40 yrs i gotta $20 win ticket from 1985 i will sell you for $5.
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Usually he would not be allowed to own horses, or work in a horse business? was he ever convicted? , i can't remember? But i do remember the situation was Ridiculous and his excuses were off the wall, like, he said, ' he's not allowed to bury a horse in his yard so he tried to burn it'? And it would not burn? Who does that!? LMAO! From what i remember he seemed like a Pathological lier and made up the story as he went along, and made it worse, ..
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When someone is found guilty,then does their time,there is nothing else they can do except live a proper life and stay stay out of trouble,people should be allowed to earn a living after serving their sentence,I don't get how you guy's don't understand that.It is not like they got away with something!!!
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If he was found guilty of Animal Abuse or Endangerment, he would not be allowed around horses ever again, even after time served, so i dont think he was even charged... It looks like he was just suspended through the Michigan Commision and not a actual County Court system, , his suspension was up on 2015, he did not have to try to burn the body, it only cost $50 to have a horse 'Rendered`...
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http://www.westernfairdistrict.com/raceway/live-race-videos-replays
Check out 10/19 Race 4
People are easy to make....just go to any trailer park and you will see the dumbest/least skilled people churning them out like nothing. Coal takes a long time. We burn coal readily, yet we cling to useless humans. Why is that?
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unfortunatly he and scum tanneyhill have surfaced at flamboro what a joke letting these scums in ontario
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Maybe we'll get lucky and tragedy will strike. I love it when bad people die.
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Horse killer a piece of shit
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He's a regular now at Western Fair and Flamboro. Can't rate worth a shit and loves to send everything to the front.
Quite the slasher!
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What JOHN FRANK ARMY miss here. 5,286 views.
Will someone please correct this.
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Driver Marc St. Louis racked up wins in half of Saturday night’s 10 races at Hiawatha Horse Park.
The hot-handed reinsman began his winning ways at the Sarnia oval in the second race steering 10-year-old trotter Natural Forces ($3.40) to victory lane for trainer and co-owner Kevin St Charles. The Michigan shipper romped to his 75th career win, ending with a 7-3/4 length advantage on his foes.
St. Louis was right back in the winner’s circle after guiding sophomore pacing colt Lyons Coppertop ($3.40) to a 6-3/4 length victory in a new lifetime mark of 1:53.1 for trainer Terrance Langille.
He later kicked off a three-race win streak in the sixth with another Langille-trained sophomore, Lyons Fullhouse ($5.50). Robintheatm ($4.80) and Dontwantalkabouti t ($8.60), a pair of pacing mares trained by Danielle Neil, completed his five-win night.
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Idiots who do nothing but copy and paste articles from sources we all read elsewhere should be banded
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They named him right "HOT HANDED"!
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There are plenty of folks who like to hold the past against this kid — and really, he is just a kid and definitely was when he was making the news in a bad way — but not me. I know I made plenty of mistakes, errors in judgment and other things that I’m embarrassed about when I was younger and probably still do today, but they do not define me, nor should Marc’s him.
He is an outstanding driver: makes speed like few I’ve seen in a long time, can clearly handicap and have a strategy and he TRIES EVERY TIME, both with catch drives and his own stock. Frankly, I wish there were more like him: hungry, competitive, strategic.
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just a "mistake"
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should have been "banded" for life
the bottom line is if he did what he was charged with you are not a normal human being, you have serious issues
if all the people in this business claim to love the animals before all else than he would never get put up for a drive
not saying he cant go live a regular life but never around horses, find another job
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You know what I met the kid as hes in his 20s hes served 4yrs not able to do anything to earn a check with horses was what he did wrong yes was it right no but where was his. parents giving him total control of the horses at 17 and he tubes his own horse and it goes wrong .that being said as last person said at least he trying to win as alot don't even care if they get them in the money .favor or not he try's to win and face it with all his fines he needs the money
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One of the best young drivers I have ever seen in my 40+ years in the sport. I wish him a lot of luck, at a track that I am NOT driving at
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I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE WHO LEFT COMMENTS, WHO HELPED ME MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION!!
70 PLUS WINS IN MY FIRST YEAR!!!
PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES EVERYDAY, I'M GLAD NO ONE EVER GAVE UP ON ME!!!
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You employ a disgusting piece of filth and it's clear that you have no real regard for horses or the horse racing industry. Perhaps you believe the "youthful mistake" crap. Perhaps you have chosen to be ill informed.
There are honest responsible people available but you have chosen your path.
Nonetheless I wish you well and hope for better days.
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You employ a disgusting piece of filth and it's clear that you have no real regard for horses or the horse racing industry. Perhaps you believe the "youthful mistake" crap. Perhaps you have chosen to be ill informed.
There are honest responsible people available but you have chosen your path.
Nonetheless I wish you well and hope for better days.
THANK YOU! I clearly enjoy when ppl who don't know me, take a stance saying that I have no regard for horses. My love for them goes deep!!! I struggle more often then not with business versus love.
And to add to that every time I see my friend Marc with a horse I see the love in his eyes. He's a good man today.
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So let me get this straight .....
Young guy given a bunch of responsibility too early.
Tubes a horse, which everyone on here has agreed many times, is absolutely common practice by 90% of the trainers in the business.
Through inexperience or just bad fucking luck, the horse dies. Terrible outcome that could have happened to any of the other 89% of trainers that do the same thing.
Young guy knows he is in deep shit and hides evidence and really panics and burns the DEAD horse.
We can all agree the DEAD horse didn't feel a thing and in fact if it has Viking blood in it, it was an honour.
Guy deserves a second chance. 4 years sounds fair. Get caught again and there is no 3rd chance.
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If time and fine served and paid and is licensed why is he not allowed to race?
No tracks are denying the French kid caught on video beating a horse with a burr headpole from racing
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In my book St.Louis doesn't get a pass for what he done. I claimed a horse sometime back and this horse was as wild a horse I ever seen. This horse would take a chunk out of you and in the past had took ears from handlers. This horse was definitely abused and I would never do any harm to him and I got him calmed down and was a frequent winner for me until he got claimed at Flammy and wouldn't load for the new trainer who kicked and whipped him with a lead I was told later that night.
TOO MANY PPL WANNA PLAY GOD....ALSO WHATS THIS BULLSHIT WITH PPL HIDING BEHIND FAKE NAMES.......STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, I KNOW I DO.......AND IF YOU WHY AND WHAT MAYBE TRY ASKING THE GUY HIMSELF, HE TOLD ME STRAIGHT UP THE DAY I BOUGHT MY FIRST HORSE. NEVER ONCE LIED TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING, I TOOK HIM FOR HIS WORD AND STILL DO TO THIS DAY.
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TOO MANY PPL WANNA PLAY GOD....ALSO WHATS THIS BULLSHIT WITH PPL HIDING BEHIND FAKE NAMES.......STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, I KNOW I DO.......AND IF YOU WHY AND WHAT MAYBE TRY ASKING THE GUY HIMSELF, HE TOLD ME STRAIGHT UP THE DAY I BOUGHT MY FIRST HORSE. NEVER ONCE LIED TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING, I TOOK HIM FOR HIS WORD AND STILL DO TO THIS DAY.
hey buds, you need not yell and type in blue, we can still read in the regular type.....but I will say this, I take your protestations with a grain of salt....you employ a wife/husband duo with a dubious background, I mean a really dubious background.....as for using real names, bully for you....im on a harness racing discussion board in Ont and I do use my own name....if you are familiar with it...are you a member with a user name,or aren't you a member,because Stew Mcqueen doesn't post there....under that name
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TOO MANY PPL WANNA PLAY GOD....ALSO WHATS THIS BULLSHIT WITH PPL HIDING BEHIND FAKE NAMES.......STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, I KNOW I DO.......AND IF YOU WHY AND WHAT MAYBE TRY ASKING THE GUY HIMSELF, HE TOLD ME STRAIGHT UP THE DAY I BOUGHT MY FIRST HORSE. NEVER ONCE LIED TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING, I TOOK HIM FOR HIS WORD AND STILL DO TO THIS DAY.
It's ok just rememver this when he teys to burn another horse to hide evidence
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I'm sure it's ok as long as you make your money from the deal?
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TOO MANY PPL WANNA PLAY GOD....ALSO WHATS THIS BULLSHIT WITH PPL HIDING BEHIND FAKE NAMES.......STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, I KNOW I DO.......AND IF YOU WHY AND WHAT MAYBE TRY ASKING THE GUY HIMSELF, HE TOLD ME STRAIGHT UP THE DAY I BOUGHT MY FIRST HORSE. NEVER ONCE LIED TO ME ABOUT ANYTHING, I TOOK HIM FOR HIS WORD AND STILL DO TO THIS DAY.
We all entitled to our stance on St Louis. tmbz1. Who cares who you talk to around here anyways? We mostly all know one another anyways.
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DO YOU LIKE THE YELLOW BETTER????
WHEN HE BURNS ANOTHER HORSE, WHAT KIND OF MORON WRITES THAT. LIKE SAYING PPL CAN'T CHANGE, GROW THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!!
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DO YOU LIKE THE YELLOW BETTER????
WHEN HE BURNS ANOTHER HORSE, WHAT KIND OF MORON WRITES THAT. LIKE SAYING PPL CAN'T CHANGE, GROW THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!!
yes be a crayon writer......and when in doubt or you have no rational response, just resort to swearing.....see you on Harness Driver?
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yes be a crayon writer......and when in doubt or you have no rational response, just resort to swearing.....see you on Harness Driver?
IT'S MORE THAN RATIONAL, AND SWEARING WELL I AM WHAT I AM......CATCH DRIVER WHERE EVERY FATTY LIKE ME CAN LIVE VICARIOUSLY LOL
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Stew, you don't seem too coherent...…….Harness Driver is the name of the Discussion Board...…….anyway im probably wasting my time conversing with you
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I'm wondering Stew was he sorry for illegally drenching a horse or sorry for f***ing up doing it ??? And of all the horse trainer options in Ontario for a new owner like yourself why did you choose those 2?
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I'm wondering Stew was he sorry for illegally drenching a horse or sorry for f***ing up doing it ??? And of all the horse trainer options in Ontario for a new owner like yourself why did you choose those 2?
So it’s not illegal to drench a horse. Vets do it all the time. It saves them from colic. I met Danielle and really liked that we were young ambitious ppl. I also liked the fact that when I read about Marc and his troubles I could relate. I was hopelessly addicted to drugs when I was younger and ppl couldn’t see past that. So I build a corporation from the ground up. I guess I like a good come back story.
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Stew, you don't seem too coherent...…….Harness Driver is the name of the Discussion Board...…….anyway im probably wasting my time conversing with you
probably. I don’t think I’m better than ppl. Just saying.
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Marc St. Louis Jr. has been fined $5,000 and suspended for more than one year following actions that undermine public confidence in the integrity of racing.
According to rulings posted by the United States Trotting Association, St. Louis made false and misleading statements regarding the death of Alex E Mel. The ruling states that St. Louis "did admit to the death, burning and burial of the horse and in doing so he did attempt to conceal, tamper and destroy evidence in the case by improperly burning and burying the horse in violation of state law."
The Michigan Office of the Racing Commissioner suspended St. Louis one year and fined him $3,500 for his actions.
St. Louis received a subsequent $1,500 fine for possession of hypodermic needles, syringes and/or injectable and/or other drugs. St Louis was "observed by MORC personnel using a hypodermic syringe to inject a drug or foreign substance into the horse Rising Artist which was entered to race."
In addition, St. Louis was also issued a 30-day suspension for being in the grandstand of a racetrack while under suspension.
high class individual. he was on fire with your operation last year by the sounds of it
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Stewart why would anyone other than a vet need to drench a horse then?
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Leave the guy alone. He served his time & paid his fine. If he screws up again - you can all pile on him.
He has great talent & I wish him well.
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Stewart why would anyone other than a vet need to drench a horse then?
pretty sure if a horse is colic and dying that ppl do it. I’ve seen horses drop from not being treated. Sad sight.
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thats just it stew if a horse has colic a vet should be called to look at the horse if its in distress, and if youre worried about the cost maybe you dont care about your horses welfare as much as you say you do.trainers and grooms arent supposed to drench horses and if an agco inspector walks in the door people will scurry to hide a tube if they have one.i generally root for underdogs but i cant see disney investing in the St.Lois story lol
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thats just it stew if a horse has colic a vet should be called to look at the horse if its in distress, and if youre worried about the cost maybe you dont care about your horses welfare as much as you say you do.trainers and grooms arent supposed to drench horses and if an agco inspector walks in the door people will scurry to hide a tube if they have one.i generally root for underdogs but i cant see disney investing in the St.Lois story lol
if you ask anyone who is stables in western Ontario. There is a shortage of vets. So many ppl who are well respected in this industry do it from what I gather but what do I know. I’m just a money guy!
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Leave the guy alone. He served his time & paid his fine. If he screws up again - you can all pile on him.
He has great talent & I wish him well.
Couldn't agree more. We all make mistakes but most on here aren't as anxious to take that perspective as they are to throw stones. The kid paid the piper and it cost him heavily. He's entitled to and deserves this fresh start.
I handle as much as anyone and I'll tell you right now: I'll take St. Louis over just about any driver in the game because he gives 100%, 100% of the time and WANTS TO WIN. This quality, coupled with his obvious natural talent (horses do things for him they don't for most others, see some of those cheap rats he gets on first time at LON and see one actually pick up its' feet) make him a rare breed anymore: a driver that can actually handicap, knows the habits of all of the horses and can process how to to capitalize on such, wants to win, doesn't play buddy-buddy system (the only OBJECTION I've seen in harness racing in the last decade was filed by St. Louis at FLMD last year and the Judges upheld it) and so on.
Michael Whelan never killed, set afire and buried a horse before, but he sure has stiffed the Diva trotter and Ohare Hanover AT LEAST 25 times in the 2019-2020 and similar indiscretions are true for nearly all of the regulars who don't take as much judgment as the St. Louis kid. Maybe it's because Whelan wins 1% and St. Louis' much higher success rate stirs a little of the good, old human condition known as jealousy.
Anyway, congratulations to Stewart McQueen for turning his life around, for speaking up for what he believes in and for all of the success he's achieved as a new owner. The sport needs more like you: folks who put their money up and are passionate. Well done and continued success!
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Good post Dee and I agree.
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Dee, you wrote a good defence of ST Louis.....however I don't ever recall him driving at Flammy ever since he and his wife slithered into Ontario
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Dee, you wrote a good defence of ST Louis.....however I don't ever recall him driving at Flammy ever since he and his wife slithered into Ontario
Look up the horse RYE N CLYNE and get back to me.
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Dee, you wrote a good defence of ST Louis.....however I don't ever recall him driving at Flammy ever since he and his wife slithered into Ontario
2018 top driver at flammy
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Mike C
"why the horse initially was murdered,"
You can't murder an animal.
I think you also claimed it was a premeditated murder.
You really think this guy developed a plan, with the intention of killing this animal.
Seriously? And you're calling posters morons.
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I think I am wrong about him and Flammy….but why doesn't he drive there now?
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This is a business that involves racing animals, not humans.
Every day there is a risk that one of those horses will drop dead from a heart attack and or break down and be destroyed.
Every day trainers are using illegal shit to enhance horse performance. I hate that part of it.
Every day trainers go out of their way to avoid detention.
Sometimes, not often enough, trainers get caught.
Depending on wealth and name, the penalty usually goes up as the trainer's $$ and notoriety go down.
St Louis was one of the many using illegal shit. He got caught. Good. He really went out of his way to hide the proof. Burning the carcass was taken into account in the penalty. I think the penalty he served was closer to fair than most.
I could care less than he burnt a carcass. No different than being dragged up into a pile in a dead wagon and driven off to be ground up. The guy's got a second chance to show he's matured as a human. Move on.
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I think I am wrong about him and Flammy….but why doesn't he drive there now?
Because the new CZAR OF RACING and HUMANITY IN GENERAL, Mike Campbell, said so.
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100% Correct.
Both of you perfect people get off of your pedestals. He paid the consequences. Big fine, several years on the sidelines.
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This is a business that involves racing animals, not humans.
Every day there is a risk that one of those horses will drop dead from a heart attack and or break down and be destroyed.
Every day trainers are using illegal shit to enhance horse performance. I hate that part of it.
Every day trainers go out of their way to avoid detention.
Sometimes, not often enough, trainers get caught.
Depending on wealth and name, the penalty usually goes up as the trainer's $$ and notoriety go down.
St Louis was one of the many using illegal shit. He got caught. Good. He really went out of his way to hide the proof. Burning the carcass was taken into account in the penalty. I think the penalty he served was closer to fair than most.
I could care less than he burnt a carcass. No different than being dragged up into a pile in a dead wagon and driven off to be ground up. The guy's got a second chance to show he's matured as a human. Move on.
Very well put, but good luck convincing Mike Campbell.
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Both of you perfect people get off of your pedestals. He paid the consequences. Big fine, several years on the sidelines.
tmbz1
LET THE POOR PRICK EEEK OUT A LIVING NOW
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Both of you perfect people get off of your pedestals. He paid the consequences. Big fine, several years on the sidelines.
on the sidelines from driving yes
training?
nope
he kept on training
not under his name
but someone else's
but this prick shouldn't be around horses
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Drenching a horse is illegal??
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Loaded question. Is the horse racing? What are you drenching horse with? Need more info.
U SHOULD RUN THE USTA
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It's just an opinion. Good Luck!
Guys like this are just mad cause Burger King don’t pay enough to own good horses. So everyone else has them loaded. 12 years later still doesn’t know the truth. Like filling in spaces. Makes his own truth up. LOL
I hope I meet you one day. Kiss
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Mike C
"why the horse initially was murdered,"
You can't murder an animal.
I think you also claimed it was a premeditated murder.
You really think this guy developed a plan, with the intention of killing this animal.
Seriously? And you're calling posters morons.
ngc3
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So let me get this right. A guy somehow kills a horse and then to hide his actions, he digs a hole, rolls the horse into the hole. throws a couple of gallons of gasoline on it, burns it and then covers it up with dirt to hide his horrific actions and somehow I am the bad guy because I am not sticking up for him? Well, apparently you condone this type of behavior which makes you a POS and absolutely delusional to think anyone with a sane and moral upbringing agrees with you.
Like I said LOSER!! I hope we meet and you say that I’m a POS to my face you goof!! Kids commit manslaughter and are giving 2nd chances everyday. As they should get. They even go off probation after some time.
Karma will serve you best!!
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Like I said LOSER!! I hope we meet and you say that I’m a POS to my face you goof!! Kids commit manslaughter and are giving 2nd chances everyday. As they should get. They even go off probation after some time.
Karma will serve you best!!
instead of blowing a gasket at anonymous posters here.....why don't you go to Western Fair, stick up for your juice monkey, horse killer and confront Scott Wray
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instead of blowing a gasket at anonymous posters here.....why don't you go to Western Fair, stick up for your juice monkey, horse killer and confront Scott Wray
Or at least buy a handful of pills to show your support
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HEY ST LOSER. GROW THE FUCK UP, BIG DADDY SAID SO OR ELSE. TOO MANY PUNKS ON THE TRACK, SOMETHING BAD GONNA HAPPEN. IT MAY BE IN LONDON, SARNIA OR AT BOWLING GREEN. SOMEONE GONNA MAKE YOU PART OF THE FENCE. YOU PLAYING WITH OTHER PEOPLES LIVES, OR YOU TOO STOOPIT TO NO DAT? EITHER EVERYONE TRUSTS YOU... OR
NO ONE WILL , AND YOU DONT WANT THAT... I GUARANTEE IT
BIG DADDY
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I n summer for instance. Before race gatoraide fot the electrolites and some vitamin B supliments
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instead of blowing a gasket at anonymous posters here.....why don't you go to Western Fair, stick up for your juice monkey, horse killer and confront Scott Wray
I DON'T BLOW GASKETS. SCOTT ISNT ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. MADE A BAD CHOICE IN A MOMENT. ONLY HELPS ME TO BE HONEST. OH K MAN BY HOW MANY???? LOL
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It seems like you surround yourself with dirt bags. I'm guessing you're one too. You sure are on this blog day and night protecting scum.
INTERNET WARRIOR ENGAGE!!!!
YOUR SUCH A SWEETHEART!!
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Stewart McQueen represents all that is good in Ontario racing......said nobody ever
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Stewart McQueen represents all that is good in Ontario racing......said nobody ever
YOU ARE SO AWESOME!!! I PUMP ALL THIS MONEY INTO THE SPORT WHILE YOU GUYS SIT BACK AND DREAM OF BEING ME......ENVY AND JEALOUSY, OH AND COWARDS DON'T EFFECT ME. NEXT........
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Stewart McQueen represents all that is good in Ontario racing......said nobody ever
IS IT SPELT HAVERY?
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YOU ARE SO AWESOME!!! I PUMP ALL THIS MONEY INTO THE SPORT WHILE YOU GUYS SIT BACK AND DREAM OF BEING ME......ENVY AND JEALOUSY, OH AND COWARDS DON'T EFFECT ME. NEXT........
lol, pump money?....you have a few racing at the B,s with a chemist husband/wife and the husband cant drive at Flammy or Mohawk......your misguided ego is masking your ignorance and not worth anymore of my time
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YOU ARE SO AWESOME!!! I PUMP ALL THIS MONEY INTO THE SPORT WHILE YOU GUYS SIT BACK AND DREAM OF BEING ME......ENVY AND JEALOUSY, OH AND COWARDS DON'T EFFECT ME. NEXT........
YOUR A FUCKIN IDIOT TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT
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YOUR A FUCKIN IDIOT TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT
a fuckin blithering IDIOT!!
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The above was a solid bitch slap
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ALSO AGREE.
PEOPLE WHO HARM DEFENSELESS ANIMALS OR PROTECT OR DEFEND THOSE WHO DO SUCH, ARE THE LOWEST FORMS OF EXISTENCE. THAT WILL BE KARMA TOWARDS YOU MCQUEEN YOU MOTHERFUCKER TALKING BAD ABOUT PEOPLE WHO RESPECT ANIMAL WELFARE AND HANG AROUND WITH A KNOWN HORSE KILLER. PATHETIC WASTE YOU ARE
Funny none of you said shit when Luc Oullettes sent his horse to French Bourgault and he was on video abusing
St Louis did his time Bourgault hasn't served a day
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So let me get this right. A guy somehow kills a horse and then to hide his actions, he digs a hole, rolls the horse into the hole. throws a couple of gallons of gasoline on it, burns it and then covers it up with dirt to hide his horrific actions and somehow I am the bad guy because I am not sticking up for him? Well, apparently you condone this type of behavior which makes you a POS and absolutely delusional to think anyone with a sane and moral upbringing agrees with you.
It was just a horse, and not much of one at that. He probably was doing the horse a favor.
Marc can make people lots of MONEY$ with his driving, and that is what should be important, how much money can he make ME
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It was just a horse, and not much of one at that. He probably was doing the horse a favor.
Marc can make people lots of MONEY$ with his driving, and that is what should be important, how much money can he make ME
Time to take this morality crap back out of harness racing, like fining drivers for 11.wp 11.wp against their rules, notice I don't say illeagle. Gamblers stop coming when their driver cant put a little more than limp wristed flicks to get their steed there first. Let men be men. Trainers don't mind taking the marks out when they had a few $$ on the nose at a nice price!
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PEOPLE WHO HARM DEFENSELESS ANIMALS OR PROTECT OR DEFEND THOSE WHO DO SUCH, ARE THE LOWEST FORMS OF EXISTENCE.
He didn't try to harm a defenseless animal.
He burnt a DEAD one. No pain or suffering was caused, unless you know something i don't about the afterlife.
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Western Fair tonight 9th race be there probably when loading after there might be a dust up.
A park job by Wray?
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Iceman ... Sounds interesting. Keep us posted.
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A park job by Wray?
why wait until Saturday night?
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Another Fractured Fairy Tale.
tmbz1
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Another Fractured Fairy Tale.
tmbz1
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Again talking about something you know nothing about when others were there. Again you have to get over yourself with all these childish tantrums just to be heard.
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We all know nothing happened. ngc3 ngc3
Like we all said, nothing happened.
Another Humphrey/Iceman/Tim #1 Fractured Fairy Tale
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It will start on the track and finish in the parking lot.
others were there.
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No, I don't hang around parking lots.
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Didn't your Mama teach you not to go in parking lots filled with old drunk men at night?
Fag Legit?
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It will start on the track and finish in the parking lot.
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No, I don't hang around parking lots.
What happened in the parking lot? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Didn't your Mama teach you not to go in parking lots filled with old drunk men at night?
Fag Legit?
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What happens in the parking lot stays in the parking lot. ngc3 ngc3
More Fagtured Fairy Tale from Tim
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You fucking people have no fucking clue. I'm not even going to waste my fucking time on here explaining it but he's done his time. Drive on Torpedo drive on 11.wp
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You fucking people have no fucking clue. I'm not even going to waste my fucking time on here explaining it but he's done his time. Drive on Torpedo drive on 11.wp
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He has done his time but when an embezzler gets out of prison do you hire the offender as your accountant.
A lot of people find killing a horse to enhance your chances at winning a few dollars and then callously burning the animal indicative of dark dark personal character.
Let him move on an earn a living in field where he doesn't have any involvement in the care of animals.
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He has done his time but when an embezzler gets out of prison do you hire the offender as your accountant.
A lot of people find killing a horse to enhance your chances at winning a few dollars and then callously burning the animal indicative of dark dark personal character.
I’d be very curious to know how of those folks judging the kid for torching an already-dead horse hunt and/or eat meat. Judgmental, irrational hypocrites. I eat slaughtered cow/pig/chicken everyday but this kid made a mistake and burned a dead horse as a means of trying to hide his mistake — at which he failed and paid a heavy price — and that makes him worse than you. Get over yourselves.
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The horse was dead, but who needlessly killed the horse? You can't divorce that from the fact pattern.
Some of you folks on here are dumber than carney dumb. That's pretty bad.
I luv the goobers that have 20 online names and often hold conversations with themselves using one or a few of the aliases. Usually the only people agreeing with these goobers are one of their 30 other aliases.
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The horse was dead, but who needlessly killed the horse? You can't divorce that from the fact pattern.
Some of you folks on here are dumber than carney dumb. That's pretty bad.
I luv the goobers that have 20 online names and often hold conversations with themselves using one or a few of the aliases. Usually the only people agreeing with these goobers are one of their 30 other aliases.
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Takes one to know one.
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Another Fractured Fairy Tale.
tmbz1
i remember that cartoon!!
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The horse was dead, but who needlessly killed the horse? You can't divorce that from the fact pattern.
Some of you folks on here are dumber than carney dumb. That's pretty bad.
I luv the goobers that have 20 online names and often hold conversations with themselves using one or a few of the aliases. Usually the only people agreeing with these goobers are one of their 30 other aliases.
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great great post sir
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NOBODY can drive with this guy , watching Western Fair and he schools them. Only boys that can stay close are Henry and Kelly and both drive for known epo guys Bourgault and Bossence
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seems like a nice guy, paid his debt to society, has talent
I agree,once someone pays their debt to society,they must be allowed to move on
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I agree,once someone pays their debt to society,they must be allowed to move on
Let the guy race everywhere, he at least did his time, which is more than most
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Your reasoning is flawed. A third grade teacher rapes a student. When he gets out of prison, you're OK with him teaching again? The teacher and St. Louis gave up their privilege to educate and race respectively.
The commission gave him his license so must have thought he deserved a second chance.
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Firstly, he can't get a license in US. Secondly, agreeing with any commission shows me how dim you are. 99% of Harness Racing's problems are due to the incompetence of racing commissions. Look how the commissions turned a blind eye regarding the 29 just indicted. Wake Up!
The indicted aside, comparing him to a rapist elementary school teacher is a little far fetched don't you think? I don't know the man but do see many Many repeat drug offenders being approved for licenses. What about McNair whipped Travis Cullen during a race, drawing blood from his arm,scrotum and thigh, majority would call it assault, 30 days and he's back at it. There should be no picking and choosing, either make the rules for everyone or no one.
Joe Perriera has had what 7 TCO2 positive tests , he's racing, Shepherd numerous, Bourgault beat a horse with a headpole on camera, he's not barred from any track. Why do you single out St Louis? Is it personal?
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The only thing important about St. louie or any other driver for that fact is CAN HE MAKE ME MONEY? Will he beat the skin off one when my money is down? Oh to have a field of 10 just like him in every race. Racing would be fun again
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Firstly, he can't get a license in US. Secondly, agreeing with any commission shows me how dim you are. 99% of Harness Racing's problems are due to the incompetence of racing commissions. Look how the commissions turned a blind eye regarding the 29 just indicted. Wake Up!
BBM part above is false. He drove at Northville Downs in 2018 and 2019.
St.Louis had his US license re-instated in March 2018. Following was grabbed from USTA archives, ruling dated April 20/2018.
http://horsemen.ustrotting.com/archived.cfm
ST LOUIS, MARC E JR.
SWARTZ CREEK, MI
YOB 1988
HP on 5/28/2013
RESTORED TO GOOD STANDING(RES) AS OF 3/23/2018
CONDUCT DETRIMENTAL TO THE BEST INTEREST OF HORSE RACING
Penalty: As a result of violating the settlement agreement, the Stewards issue the following penalty: In accordance with MGCB Stewards’ Ruling 6695, Mr. St Louis Jr. remains ineligible to be licensed under the Horse Racing Law of 1995, in the State of Michigan, for the two year period 2/18/2013 through and including 2/17/2015. Further, Mr. St Louis Jr. will continue to remain ineligible to be licensed under the Horse Racing Law of 1995, in the State of Michigan, for an additional three-year period, 2/18/2015 through and including 2/17/2018. Mr. St Louis Jr. will be deemed a disqualified person and will be denied the privileges of all grounds, live and/or simulcast that are under the jurisdiction of the Horse Racing Law of 1995.
Status as of 3/23/2018 - Subsequent Ruling - MGCB Ruling 7146 - Having met the requirements as set forth in MGCB Stewards' Rulings 6695 and 6751, the suspension of the occupational license issued to Marc St Louis Jr. is hereby lifted and Mr. St Louis Jr. is hereby restored to good standing
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Ruling 1164591 issued to Marc St. Louis for violating the terms of his probation issued by the Director of Regulatory Compliance Branch on November 24, 2020 by failing to keep both feet in the stirrups while driving the horse “Tuition Money” in Race 5,
March 1, 2021. Mr. St. Louis is suspended indefinitely as of March 4, 2021 and referred to the Director.
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Should go to Ohio or PA
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I HEAR HE GONNA HOLD A WEINIE ROAST IN NORTVILLES PARKING LOT TO RAISE SOME FUNDS TO HIRE A LAWYER AND GET HIS RECORD SPONGED
I HEAR HE BUILDS A MEAN FIRE
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Yes he sure can
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Get rid of this piece of trash how many chances has he had? He can't follow the rules, time for permanent suspension! Come on AGCO
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At least he is smart enough not to list himself as trainer.
But for driving I say give him one more shot all or nothing. Let him drive at mohawk and if he blows it take his license away permanently. Would be fun watching him run over mcclures tickets for a few weeks
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Evey one deserves a second chance the guy got talent.should be giving a shot at Weg
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🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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ST LOUIS,MARC E
ON - FAILURE TO KEEP FEET IN STIRRUPS
AS PER RULING 1112040, ANY FURTHER FOOT OUT OF THE STIRRUPS
VIOLATION WHILE ON PROBATION, WOULD RESULT IN BEING REFERRED TO THE
DIRECTOR OF RCB FOR FURTHER FINE AND/OR SUSPENSION.
Commission Rule Number : 22.19
Date Issued : 02-MAR-2021
Violation Occurred : Race 5 at WESTERN FAIR RACEWAY on 01-MAR-2021
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Stew is kicking ass training. Quite a percentage to start his training career.
Quick learner
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Stewart McQueen had horses with Danielle St Louis, Danielle was the leading trainer on the B tracks, and is now nowhere to be found. All of a sudden Stewart McQueen is winning races and was leading trainer at Western Fair Raceway. We've been in the business for over 30 years, and know dozens of trainers with at least that many years of experience. Overnight this guy is winning races at a very high percentage. Amazing or suspicious???? You decide.
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Yeah ok 🙄🙄🙄
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Amazing or suspicious???? You decide.
I say amazing.
Yeah ok 🙄🙄🙄
So, you ask us to choose between two answers.
A poster replies with his pick of the two answers and you suggest he picked the wrong one.
Why offer a choice in the first place?
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Marc did his time , paid his price , very good driver , learned his lesson , leave him alone!! He has no right to make a living?? WTF??
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Stewart McQueen had horses with Danielle St Louis, Danielle was the leading trainer on the B tracks, and is now nowhere to be found. All of a sudden Stewart McQueen is winning races and was leading trainer at Western Fair Raceway. We've been in the business for over 30 years, and know dozens of trainers with at least that many years of experience. Overnight this guy is winning races at a very high percentage. Amazing or suspicious???? You decide.
Classification and selling horses that don’t go. I have keys to certain horses.
I also sell off horses that aren’t good enough to race competitively. My average will drop substantially with Marc not driving. He’s the best driver and will make an average trainer like me look good.
I also have other sources of income that allow me to waste money with my vet lol.
Everyone calm down. No Marc no .400 average.
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Marc is that good? tmbz1
if you’re gonna talk about me can I At least get my own thread?
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Danielle claimed one at Pocono yesterday in the Game of Claims series. Curious to see who will be the trainer next week.
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Her maiden name probably😃😃😃
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Big day Saturday Tom good luck..Marc and Danielle still together ? She as horse at Northfield with Dave Lake and Judy R
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ST LOUIS,DANIELLE M
ON - POSSESSION OF A DEVICE USED FOR INJECTABLES
MS. ST.LOUIS WAS FOUND TO BE IN VIOLATION DURING A VEHICLE SEARCH
Commission Rule Number : 10.01 (A)
Date Issued : 22-MAR-2021
Total Due : 100.00
Violation Occurred : on 02-DEC-2020
Suspended From 24-MAR-2021 To 26-MAR-2021 (Training Suspension)
(Suspensions Reinstated On 27-MAR-2021)
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ST LOUIS,DANIELLE M
ON - POSSESSION OF A DEVICE USED FOR INJECTABLES
MS. ST.LOUIS WAS FOUND TO BE IN VIOLATION DURING A VEHICLE SEARCH
Commission Rule Number : 10.01 (A)
Date Issued : 22-MAR-2021
Total Due : 100.00
Violation Occurred : on 02-DEC-2020
Suspended From 24-MAR-2021 To 26-MAR-2021 (Training Suspension)
(Suspensions Reinstated On 27-MAR-2021)
Can’t afford a vet
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Oops
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agreed
my assumption would be they did not find what was being injected with said device used for injectables
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Danielle is scheduled to drive Friday in the 10th race at Northville
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The Canadian experiment came to a screeching halt. Driving on Saturday.