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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LimeTime on March 02, 2024, 10:26:59 PM
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Racing Tuesday at Pocono, race 4, AMERICAGREATAGAIN . Trained by Brett Pelling, driven by Jack Pelling. Looks to go in 1:50 on its second start. Came home in 27.1 on a no cover parked rally. Anybody know any particulars about this one ?
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Probably a monster.
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If he was the real deal, I don’t think Brett would have Jack driving him.
Not knocking Jack, just from me knowing Brett and having past business experience with him. He would not have a green driver teaching a horse he thought was a potential WC
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clearly the breeder is a very patriotic and proud American
the name alone will mean many on this site( and you know who you are!) will cheer against the horse
but he is a $40 k captain crunch unraced at 2 so i am sure expectations right now are low
but who knows , a solid race or two and he could be a sires stakes player
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Been training like he has a lot of potential. Doing it easy. Looks like he has talent. He's a colt out of America Rocks (sister to Trinity Islands). From the family of Armbro Amaretto. Brett picked him up from the Spring Haven Farm consignment in Lexington (Jeff Esty). Brett may still own him! LOL. Captain Crunch has got a real sire's pedigree. Maybe $5k is a bargain, LOL.
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His 3rd quarter was better than his last in that debut. Will probably develop into a nice raceway horse but not much more.
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His 3rd quarter was better than his last in that debut. Will probably develop into a nice raceway horse but not much more.
Actually youre wrong about that, last quarter is 27.1 no cover against the wind in the stretch, third quarter was wind at its back 27. Which do you think is faster ?
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Lime Time, used to race against him, he was a warrior.
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Lime Time, used to race against him, he was a warrior.
Used to race against who ?
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clearly the breeder is a very patriotic and proud American
the name alone will mean many on this site( and you know who you are!) will cheer against the horse
but he is a $40 k captain crunch unraced at 2 so i am sure expectations right now are low
but who knows , a solid race or two and he could be a sires stakes player
tmbz1 tmbz1
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Lime Time, used to race against him, he was a warrior.
Used to race against who ?
First of all you name yourself after a famous horse and then say who when someone brings him up? Very smart.
Actually youre wrong about that, last quarter is 27.1 no cover against the wind in the stretch, third quarter was wind at its back 27. Which do you think is faster ?
Last time I checked 27 was faster than 27.1 but you are wrong in either case. Watch the replay .. pause it at the half count the lengths he was behind. It was about 14 or 15 then pause again at the 3/4 .. the margin was less than five. So in that 27.4 quarter he made up about 10 lengths .. that makes the wind assisted quarter between 25.4 and 26.1. If the chart says any different look at the replay and see for yourself.
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right now he is about the 150th best 3 year old pacing colt in 2024
lets see how he does against maidens on tuesday
as ACDC says " its a long way to the top if you want to rock n roll"!!
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First of all you name yourself after a famous horse and then say who when someone brings him up? Very smart.
Last time I checked 27 was faster than 27.1 but you are wrong in either case. Watch the replay .. pause it at the half count the lengths he was behind. It was about 14 or 15 then pause again at the 3/4 .. the margin was less than five. So in that 27.4 quarter he made up about 10 lengths .. that makes the wind assisted quarter between 25.4 and 26.1. If the chart says any different look at the replay and see for yourself.
Thank you. That’s what I was referring to. We chased him in the Can Am series and he just punched our lights out.
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First of all you name yourself after a famous horse and then say who when someone brings him up? Very smart.
Last time I checked 27 was faster than 27.1 but you are wrong in either case. Watch the replay .. pause it at the half count the lengths he was behind. It was about 14 or 15 then pause again at the 3/4 .. the margin was less than five. So in that 27.4 quarter he made up about 10 lengths .. that makes the wind assisted quarter between 25.4 and 26.1. If the chart says any different look at the replay and see for yourself.
OK got it- you raced against Lime Time ,most people dont know that horse so if you had laid the verbal map out different, I could have understood. As for Lime Time being a warrior thats like saying Hank Aron was a great hitter- no kidding. But atleast you did know about Lime Time- one of the few best racehorses in the world for a few years. Anyway the 27.1 last Q by The Pelling colt into the wind is an insane panel- better than the 3rd quarter. Also the last quarter is more important than the 3rd quarter all the time, a 3000 claimer can run a big 3rd quarter.
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Side note -- I saw Lime Time win the Provincial Cup at Windsor in 1981 for my old friend Tony Chiaravalle. Doug Brown drove him, first over and he got up over Brand New Fella. Many people won't remember...the trainer of Lime Time...was none other than Bill Robinson.
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oh we remember big Bill alright
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Hes 2-5...Not for me. Ill play the 3
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Flipped 3 deep and went Nowhere ---- No Check
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Off the board at 1-5...You guys got to be kidding me.
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And Dan Nance once asked how intellect could help someone drive a horse.
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1.50 ... ngc3 ... Perfect trip and couldn't keep up. His first race was tons better. Give credit to the Treacherous Reign foal by Bettors Wish Shakespeare for wiring them from the 8 for his maiden win.
Dude needs to change his name to Lame Time as was his observation from the beginning.
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And Dan Nance once asked how intellect could help someone drive a horse.
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Jack Pelling is the Tommy Merton of Pocono. Mr. Envelope...beside s why the hoopls for this horse. 3 and 8 actually more sense.
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I think that fucktard was actually trying this time.
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up track and 1 to 5
another wonderful plop tout
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I think that fucktard was actually trying this time.
I think he was trying --- he tipped 3 wide what seemngly was the right time --- he just didn't go forward.
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Interesting in the race
8 horse wins wire to wire
the 8 is Co 3rd/4th choice in the race.
Wins and pays $18.20
With the 2-5 winner off the board and the second choice from the rail off the board
What should the winner pay to place ?
How about $3.00 wound up paying $11.60 to show
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Interesting in the race
8 horse wins wire to wire
the 8 is Co 3rd/4th choice in the race.
Wins and pays $18.20
With the 2-5 winner off the board and the second choice from the rail off the board
What should the winner pay to place ?
How about $3.00 wound up paying $11.60 to show
There was a bridge jumper on the 2. I boxed 358....nice exacta but 5 was 4th in the tri. Board screwed up due to phony favorite.
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you guys are the best !!!
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There may be a psycho win better there today. Erv Miller piece of shit just went off at 1-2 and of the board.
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Why is this thread have ploppers getting so excited about this colt? He went off 1/5, made one move and quickly quit. Who knows what’s ahead for this Pelling trainee but he didn’t look very special today.
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Why is this thread have ploppers getting so excited about this colt?
There was only one person excited about the colt. Lame Lime Time who brought him up and didn't even know what he was talking about .... obviously, and as usual with just about every single post he has made since joining this site.
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He's so good owners are going a different direction, for sale on Ongait.
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Not excited at all. Just another Pelling pupil that may or may not be more than a raceway horse. Horse has probably been beat into submission.
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https://ongait.com/Listings/View/26768?search=
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Currently at $65k
Not that I have that money, but I'm not trying to buy one off that Pelling is dumping.....
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Currently at $65k
Not that I have that money, but I'm not trying to buy one off that Pelling is dumping.....
tmbz1
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TOUGH GUY TO BUY ONE OFF OF. i PREDICT THEY BUY HIM BACK. JUST TRYING TO PUT A VALUE ON HIM.
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If he's any stock he'd be a buy back. Doubt it, looks like he's probably hit his peak. Get what ya can, hope ya got out even or better.
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Have no idea about the partners, but if the colt had ability, even a future as a good, useful racehorse, Pelling would buy out the partner and keep him himself, or bring in another partner. If both partners are only looking for stakes horses, and he ain't it, then the colt will sell. Why buy what Pelling doesn't want? I'll leave that to whoever is bidding. LOL.
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Have no idea about the partners, but if the colt had ability, even a future as a good, useful racehorse, Pelling would buy out the partner and keep him himself, or bring in another partner. If both partners are only looking for stakes horses, and he ain't it, then the colt will sell. Why buy what Pelling doesn't want? I'll leave that to whoever is bidding. LOL.
at what price? the only way to figure out market price is to test it. especially if partner is saying he is worth more than he is
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1.50 ... ngc3 ... Perfect trip and couldn't keep up. His first race was tons better. Give credit to the Treacherous Reign foal by Bettors Wish Shakespeare for wiring them from the 8 for his maiden win.
Dude needs to change his name to Lame Time as was his observation from the beginning.
You have no clue, This is a 147 , 148 race horse this spring, summer. 54 last half first over from outside port- get a clue.
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Why is this thread have ploppers getting so excited about this colt? He went off 1/5, made one move and quickly quit. Who knows what’s ahead for this Pelling trainee but he didn’t look very special today.
you gotta be able to see more than the finish line, get a clue, this is a champ 3 yr old. will go 147 this spring/summer
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PREDICTIONS ON THE FINAL PRICE??
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you gotta be able to see more than the finish line, get a clue, this is a champ 3 yr old. will go 147 this spring/summer
lol if horse was anywhere close to that Pelling would buy out other owners or have a different owner do so privately
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at what price? the only way to figure out market price is to test it. especially if partner is saying he is worth more than he is
Agreed. And that's why they say he is up for sale. If he's anything that fits into what Pelling is looking for, he'd buy him back. Period.
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You have no clue, This is a 147 , 148 race horse this spring, summer. 54 last half first over from outside port- get a clue.
then why would Pelling sell ? I get what you are saying..... but then it goes against any reason why any trainer would say, drop him in a sale. Is there a hole in him ? The one start at Pocono's when bet way down, I didn't see a horse that had :47 ability. Be a good topic to follow up with over the summer and probably new connections.
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It's one thing to pace in 48 it's another to win a race that fast. This horse has shown speed but no guts. He keeps getting beat by Maidens winning their first start. 30 to 40 claimers can pace in 48 in the summer and can make 100,000 yearly if sound and race every week. Speed means nothing unless you have the guts to win.
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It's one thing to pace in 48 it's another to win a race that fast. This horse has shown speed but no guts. He keeps getting beat by Maidens winning their first start. 30 to 40 claimers can pace in 48 in the summer and can make 100,000 yearly if sound and race every week. Speed means nothing unless you have the guts to win.
one of things I was thinking. He's racing against NW 1...... far cry from upper tier condition horses.
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absolute buyback.
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Looks like a nice horse. Doesn't seem to have much heart. What do we think he goes for? Already at 70k. Not Grand Circuit but could easily make 80-100k this year.
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I’m guessing $80k. No reason to buy him back. Pelling is looking for GC horses not decent sire stake horses
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AmericaGreatAgain is on a OnGait right now. Up to $71,000. Auction closes Wednesday at noon.
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Duh. Not one of the dozen or so people that have talked about the sale with it's link right on this thread had any idea. Thanks.