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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: goblue on June 25, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
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Name of the horse is Loussolataire.
Hawthorne Racecourse - IL 06/28/18 Race 4 ENTRIES 8:16 PM
Carlinville - IL 06/26/18 Race 6 ENTRIES 7:40 PM
Oskaloosa - IA 06/23/18 Race 2 RESULTS - COMPLETED 4:15 PM
Carrollton - IL 06/19/18 Race 13 RESULTS - COMPLETED 9:00 PM
Hawthorne Racecourse - IL 06/17/18 Race 4 RESULTS - COMPLETED 8:31 PM
Never seen a horse on USTA with this many active starts, let alone a 2yo in June. This little filly is about 13 hands tall too. Greedy, no-name trainer (Steven Renard?) must have an electricity bill to pay due next week.
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That’s so wrong
Must be related to Elizabeth Carotenuto
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Renard drives her like a total idiot too. Always blasts her to the lead, even at astronomical odds, and if you look at the Carrollton result, he parked her the entire mile on a fair track trying to get the lead. She'll be lucky to make it to the end of this season without breaking down.
This same guy had a filly a few years ago with a ton of talent. Surviver Di was the name I think. She absolutely DOMINATED fields early as a 2yo. She'd win by 20+ lengths. But he drove her into the ground racing 4 times a week. That filly was worth $40-50K easy at one point, and he ruined her racing for $500 at every fair he possibly could. She could've been special.
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Renard drives her like a total idiot too. Always blasts her to the lead, even at astronomical odds, and if you look at the Carrollton result, he parked her the entire mile on a fair track trying to get the lead. She'll be lucky to make it to the end of this season without breaking down.
This same guy had a filly a few years ago with a ton of talent. Surviver Di was the name I think. She absolutely DOMINATED fields early as a 2yo. She'd win by 20+ lengths. But he drove her into the ground racing 4 times a week. That filly was worth $40-50K easy at one point, and he ruined her racing for $500 at every fair he possibly could. She could've been special.
ive been mentioning this for a while
why do these race secs not deny these scumbags' entries?
its disgusting if you ask me
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deny entry on what grounds?
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Back when the game was big, race secretaries would give you your paypers anytime they wanted. Now, they are all begging for horses. They have almost no power anymore.
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I gotta believe racing horses multiple heats in scorching heat as they do at duquoin, springfield and lil brown jug is tougher on a horse than this
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deny entry on what grounds?
animal abuse
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It's nonsensical to race them so hard so many times.
I don't understand humans with out a brain cells
Good way to get horses hurt and worse
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It's nonsensical to race them so hard so many times.
I don't understand humans with out a brain cells
Good way to get horses hurt and worse
BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY IN THE BIZ THAT ARE FLAT BROKE AND/OR THEY ARE GREEDY COCKSUCKERS. TOO MANY IN THE GAME TODAY HAVE LITTLE OR NO RESPECT FOR THE HORSES. OH, THEY WILL TALK A GOOD LINE OF BULLSHIT, BUT THEY HAVE LITTLE REGARD FOR THE EQUINES.
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It's nonsensical to race them so hard so many times.
I don't understand humans with out a brain cells
Good way to get horses hurt and worse
U said that about racing babies on half mile tracks well that was until you raced yours on one
Not sure why people care what this owner does with HIS horse if u don't like it buy the horse and put him in petting zoo
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BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY IN THE BIZ THAT ARE FLAT BROKE AND/OR THEY ARE GREEDY COCKSUCKERS. TOO MANY IN THE GAME TODAY HAVE LITTLE OR NO RESPECT FOR THE HORSES. OH, THEY WILL TALK A GOOD LINE OF BULLSHIT, BUT THEY HAVE LITTLE REGARD FOR THE EQUINES.
amen
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13 to14 starys max on a baby
There's guys at Hawthorne that race the damn
Horses every fckin week.
Every fckin week same fckin horse
Then wonder why nobody gives him horses
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Not sure why people care what this owner does with HIS horse if u don't like it buy the horse and put him in petting zoo
My point in bringing up Surviver Di was to show that this guy refuses to sell. He runs the horse 4x per week until it's career is inevitably halted by injury, unloads the horse for dog food, and moves on to the next one. It's a disgusting circle that I wanted to bring to the attention of people on this forum who actually care about horses... a rare find on here it seems like...
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It's nonsensical to race them so hard so many times.
I don't understand humans with out a brain cells
Good way to get horses hurt and worse
100% true
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WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE GETS IN
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keeping em tight
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UNCLE SPEAKING NOW
Hilarious thread.
The two self-proclaimed geniuses-in-residence here don't like the horse running a lot.
BFD
Ruffalo can tout Rocky Squirrel his stable star of the year.
Equus Broken Foot Stable can't get one to not run DFL.
There are a lot of Hall of Fame people who believe you need to run to build bone and muscle mass.
Uncle agrees.
Both breeds.
Seabuiscuit ran 35 times as a 2 year old and set track record in his 35th start.
As you were.
This Has Been Uncle Speaking
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UNCLE SPEAKING NOW
Hilarious thread.
The two self-proclaimed geniuses-in-residence here don't like the horse running a lot.
BFD
Ruffalo can tout Rocky Squirrel his stable star of the year.
Equus Broken Foot Stable can't get one to not run DFL.
There are a lot of Hall of Fame people who believe you need to run to build bone and muscle mass.
Uncle agrees.
Both breeds.
Seabuiscuit ran 35 times as a 2 year old and set track record in his 35th start.
As you were.
This Has Been Uncle Speaking
seabiscuit?
did i just jump into a fucking time machine?
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seabiscuit?
did i just jump into a fucking time machine?
HISTORY RIFE WITH MANY STARTS FOR 2YR OLD
YOU ARE A STUDENT OF THE GAME SHELDON HOW DID YOU MISS THIS ONE?
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HISTORY RIFE WITH MANY STARTS FOR 2YR OLD
YOU ARE A STUDENT OF THE GAME SHELDON HOW DID YOU MISS THIS ONE?
your comparing to a tbred? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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seabiscuit?
did i just jump into a fucking time machine?
hez a fuckin idiot,,talks about one bad horse i sold two months ago,,nothin but a
no it all
notice hez not even worth me answerin any more
poor old man ,,cant buy nothin ,,
hates everythin '
and knows it all,,
yes just ask him hez smarter than us.
just dont have money to buy good or bad horse ngc3 ngc3
but has great ideas ,,just like delroy great ideas no money ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
i luv guys with GRATE ideas ,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3..
any ways ,,yes or no .,.
on filly?
she gets to barn in mornin..
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your comparing to a tbred? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
ALOT EASIER TO PACE THAN IT IS TO RUN SHELDON...YOU'RE REGRESSING QUICKLY HERE :P
BETTER JUST QUIT..... 73cv.2
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ALOT EASIER TO PACE THAN IT IS TO RUN SHELDON...YOU'RE REGRESSING QUICKLY HERE :P
BETTER JUST QUIT..... 73cv.2
You are a wise man ed those other 2 kings of the DFL not so much just do what their trainers tell them to
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EDWARDO LITTLE GANGIN UP I SEE
STILL DISAPPOINT ME EDWARDO
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hez a fuckin idiot,,talks about one bad horse i sold two months ago,,nothin but a
no it all
notice hez not even worth me answerin any more
poor old man ,,cant buy nothin ,,
hates everythin '
and knows it all,,
yes just ask him hez smarter than us.
just dont have money to buy good or bad horse ngc3 ngc3
but has great ideas ,,just like delroy great ideas no money ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
i luv guys with GRATE ideas ,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
,,, ngc3 ngc3 ngc3..
any ways ,,yes or no .,.
on filly?
she gets to barn in mornin..
HE JUST HAD HIS LUNCH HANDED TO HIM AND MAY NOT BE FEELING WELL IN THE MORNING
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HE JUST HAD HIS LUNCH HANDED TO HIM AND MAY NOT BE FEELING WELL IN THE MORNING
GOT HER THIS AM
FILLY HAS BEEN PD FOR,,
I INVITED HIM ON APIECE\
YES OR NO
ITS NO BIGGIE,,.
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GOT HER THIS AM
FILLY HAS BEEN PD FOR,,
I INVITED HIM ON APIECE\
YES OR NO
ITS NO BIGGIE,,.
calling you shortly
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calling you shortly
HURRY UP JUNIOR I NEED MY BEAUTY SLEEP ;D ;D
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your comparing to a tbred? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
You can't be this dumb. I refuse to believe it.
The other guy; he's just a babbling idiot who can't find a trainer. He lives for my every post.
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EDWARDO LITTLE GANGIN UP I SEE
STILL DISAPPOINT ME EDWARDO
STOP CRADLING SHELDONS NUTZ SO HE GETS SOAKED ON A SLICE OF THAT STOP SIGN YOU JUST BOUGHT
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STOP CRADLING SHELDONS NUTZ SO HE GETS SOAKED ON A SLICE OF THAT STOP SIGN YOU JUST BOUGHT
HEY HEY HEY ,, BEE NICE
I GOTTA HELP THE YOUNG LADDIE
,,HEZ GETTIN BRUTLIZED ;D ;D
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HEY HEY HEY ,, BEE NICE
I GOTTA HELP THE YOUNG LADDIE
,,HEZ GETTIN BRUTLIZED ;D ;D
MY BAG..YOUR A SALSEMAN SO I TOOK A SHOT
YOUR IN FOR 30 AND HIS HALF ONLY COST 40 73cv.2
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HEY HEY HEY ,, BEE NICE
I GOTTA HELP THE YOUNG LADDIE
,,HEZ GETTIN BRUTLIZED ;D ;D
You would know.
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MY BAG..YOUR A SALSEMAN SO I TOOK A SHOT
YOUR IN FOR 30 AND HIS HALF ONLY COST 40 73cv.2
THATS IT REACHED.. 5
,,3 NEW ONES LAST 10 DAYS..BESIDES.. ACE AND FRAMED
IM DONE FOR YR MAYBE ONE MORE AT BIGM SALE..
..TIC TOC TIC TOC,,,,
COME ON
COOP WDF ,I GOTTA GO TO SLEEP ;D ;D
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THATS IT REACHED.. 5
,,3 NEW ONES LAST 10 DAYS.... JUST N ACE AND ROCKIE GOT FRAMED
IM DONE FOR YR MAYBE ONE MORE AT BIGM SALE..
..TIC TOC TIC TOC,,,,
COME ON
COOP WDF ,I GOTTA GO TO SLEEP ;D ;D
HE'S CHECKING COUCH CUSHIONS NOW
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U gotta b in it to win it
Unlike you fucks
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U gotta b in it to win it
Unlike you fucks
WELCOME ABOARD.. tmbz1 tmbz1
YOUR POPS A GENTLEMAN tmbz1
HOPE SHE DOES WELL,,
,,I HEARD,
HT WAS BIDDING AGAINST ME THIS MORNIN
THAT MADE ME GIGGLE tmbz1
D ;D 73cv.2 73cv.2
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THATS IT REACHED.. 5
,,3 NEW ONES LAST 10 DAYS..BESIDES.. ACE AND FRAMED
IM DONE FOR YR MAYBE ONE MORE AT BIGM SALE..
..TIC TOC TIC TOC,,,,
COME ON
COOP WDF ,I GOTTA GO TO SLEEP ;D ;D
You told me you were staying up till morning watching 11.prn and 11.wj 54za.cb
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nice bid
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nice bid
tmbz1
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U gotta b in it to win it
Unlike you fucks
I GET PAID WIN OR LOSE YOU FUCK
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This guy is a true idiot. In again tomorrow at Carlinville and then again Thursday at Hawthorne. Was qualifying in April. Was AE a couple times and had a couple fair races cancelled already or would have 12 or more starts. The idiot has a yearling already trained down to 2:20. I kid u not. Saw this filly a few weeks ago after the review races
Not only small but all ribs showing as she walked by. And this guy is some type of Dr. Maybe a vet? WTF. A case for PETA if there was ever one. She will never make it or be competitive for the Springfield fair or Haw super night.
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This guy is a true idiot. In again tomorrow at Carlinville and then again Thursday at Hawthorne. Was qualifying in April. Was AE a couple times and had a couple fair races cancelled already or would have 12 or more starts. The idiot has a yearling already trained down to 2:20. I kid u not. Saw this filly a few weeks ago after the review races
Not only small but all ribs showing as she walked by. And this guy is some type of Dr. Maybe a vet? WTF. A case for PETA if there was ever one. She will never make it or be competitive for the Springfield fair or Haw super night.
Terrible
If your there you should report to state vet or judges
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Will take a look on Thursday.
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HES GETTING ALL THE EARLY MONEY
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This guy is a true idiot. In again tomorrow at Carlinville and then again Thursday at Hawthorne. Was qualifying in April. Was AE a couple times and had a couple fair races cancelled already or would have 12 or more starts. The idiot has a yearling already trained down to 2:20. I kid u not. Saw this filly a few weeks ago after the review races
Not only small but all ribs showing as she walked by. And this guy is some type of Dr. Maybe a vet? WTF. A case for PETA if there was ever one. She will never make it or be competitive for the Springfield fair or Haw super night.
Back in fair on Fryday
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This little two year old will be racing Wednesday at Carlinville county fair, Thursday at Hawthorne, and Friday at Newton county fair. Three days in a row. If you are at any of these races, please give Renard a nice big "FUCK YOU" and middle finger for me.
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3 days in a row? Should not have a license. USTA useless. Illinois racing commission also a joke. I've seen 2 days in row which is terrible, but 3 is ignorant on all fronts. Someone needs to rescue this filly.
Newton - IL 06/29/18 Race 3 ENTRIES 12:30 PM
Hawthorne Racecourse - IL 06/28/18 Race 4 ENTRIES 8:16 PM
Carlinville - IL 06/27/18 Race 6 ENTRIES 1:40 PM
Oskaloosa - IA 06/23/18 Race 2 RESULTS - COMPLETED 4:15 PM
Carrollton - IL 06/19/18 Race 13 RESULTS - COMPLETED 9:00 PM
11.dt 11.dt
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Anyone know the correct person on the IRB to reach out to concerning this matter? DiCera? Or contact information?
I've done enough talking on this issue. Now I want to actually do something about it.
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Lots of wear and tear on his truck Rocco should hit him up about a new one with an extended warranty
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Anyone know the correct person on the IRB to reach out to concerning this matter? DiCera? Or contact information?
I've done enough talking on this issue. Now I want to actually do something about it.
i reached out to the NJRC when carotenuto was jamming her horses in every day and it looks like that may have stopped or lessened
not sure who to point you to out there
good luck
hope this shit ends soon
fucking scumbags like this should never be allowed near an animal again!
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Wednesday morning Leann Shinn will be taking entries for Sat at Newton .
I suggest you call her. 618-783-2589
Planning on doing just that. Thank you!
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Any update?
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Any update?
ELEVATOR MUSIC LIKELY ON THE PHONE
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Amazing how many bleeding heart liberals there are. Always trying to tell others how they should do their business. Good luck to the horse in hopefully all 3 starts. And as many starts as the owner and trainer deem their goal.
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According to inside sources she has been scratched today. She may be scratched Friday if she does well at Hawthorne. We will see.
>:(
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Yup horse is scratched today
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Take care of two yrs olds..
Don't over race and do
Vet work. tmbz1
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Amazing how many bleeding heart liberals there are. Always trying to tell others how they should do their business. Good luck to the horse in hopefully all 3 starts. And as many starts as the owner and trainer deem their goal.
yeah negative press doesn't hurt harness racing
11.wj
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So far in 2018 the two year old filly trotter Loussolataire
14 starts 8 wins
7/22 in to go at Haw
7/19 won by 20
7/18 won by 9
7/11 won not charted
7/9 won by half
6/29 won by 3
6/28 3rd at Haw.
6/23 won by 6
plus 7 early starts
My early hambletonian pick
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Back in tonight Race 4
3rd start in 4 days
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Back in tonight Race 4
3rd start in 4 days
AND KEEPS JOGGING BY DAYLIGHT
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AND KEEPS JOGGING BY DAYLIGHT
I played against. Like the 5
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Here is an official reply from the ridiculous USTA.
We appreciate your concern regarding the 2 year old filly, Loussolataire. The proper treatment of our equine athletes is of utmost importance for the industry to continue, therefore we take matters as such very serious. I personally reached out to the trainer this morning to discuss this particular filly. The trainer, Mr. Renard, who is also a veterinarian, indicated that the filly has been scratched for the 6/27 at Carlinville already, therefore she will not be racing on the 27th. He further mentioned that depending on how she does in the Hawthorne race, he may or may not race her on the 29th as well. As a licensed professional in the field of animal care, Mr. Renard stated that under no circumstances would he train or race a horse in a manner which would knowingly be harmful for any of the horses in his care. Although, he stated that this filly, as all of his horses, are extremely durable enough to handle consecutive days of racing. When I look at the filly’s performance report, (8 starts- 3 wins, 1 second, 1 third $ 7,758 2, 2:01.4 M), she shows that she is fairly durable. He mentioned that the amount of training that he does in the early stages and the high amount of jog miles at that age create a solid base for his stock. It appears that the training methods that Mr. Renard utilizes does provide success. As you see below, his trainer percentage is quite high, despite the small number of starts per year. Batting close to .500 would require a significant amount of care and consideration for the horse to stay at such a high level, so I would assume that Mr. Renard balances that considerably well. In addition, from a regulatory standpoint, there are no reported violations of any kind connected to Steven Renard.
In the early 90’s, you may remember when we raced multiple heats on the same day for our 2 and 3 year olds. For the most part, that practice has been abandoned for the reasons you have mentioned, although the USTA rules still permit such an action in the event that heat racing is needed. Lastly, to further show from a USTA regulation perspective, the following rule applies:
§ 14.03 Length of Race and Number of Heats.—Races or heats shall be given at a stated distance in units not shorter than a sixteenth of a mile.
(b) Two-Year-Old—No two-year-old shall be permitted to start in a heat or race exceeding one mile in distance and no two-year-old shall be permitted to race in more than two heats or dashes in any single day. Starting any two-year-old in violation of this rule shall subject the track member to a fine and the winnings of such two-year-old shall be declared unlawful.
Therefore, there are no current restrictions to racing multiple/consecutive days.
Trainer Summary
Class Exp. Date
Current License: General 09/30/2020
Year Purse Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Money Won UTRS Mat. & Qual. Starts
2018 16 5 2 3 $ 10,742 0.444 1
2017 54 23 8 4 $ 48,779 0.533 2
2016 30 12 5 5 $ 17,106 0.548 3
2015 27 18 3 0 $ 21,886 0.728 0
2014 19 9 6 2 $ 25,611 0.684 0
Respectfully,
TC Lane
Director of Registry and Member Services
U.S. Trotting Association
6130 S. Sunbury Rd
Westerville, OH 43081
877.800.8782, ext. 3203
www.ustrotting.co m
"Harness the Excitement"! 11.btsl
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Doesn't mean that they won't be in the kill pens at the end of their 3yold season because they have been rung dry of any go?? The USTA feels that if a conditioner has a high UTRS he must really be doing right by his stock...........g ive me a Fockin break!!
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The USTA should not be issuing any statements other than to state they have made the state racing commission(s) aware of the matter.
Having :
TC Lane
Director of Registry and Member Services
issue an industry-wide response to this is hilarious. Having concluded this assignment, TC Lane can go back to shuffling papers.
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What TC doesn't know this horse is very tiny with little to no weight. Saw her in the bath stall Sunday night and she has to be lucky to be 14 hands. Also TC may not know this horse was broke as a weanling. Trained as a yearling. This VET slash trainer has another yearling out of this mare that is down to 2:20. A yearling! So where is this common place?
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TC will be getting my call in a few minutes.
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Well,
TC Lane has been around a while. He should know better.
Experience
United States Trotting Association
Director of Registry and Member Services
Company NameUnited States Trotting Association
Dates EmployedAug 2012 – Present Employment Duration6 yrs
United States Trotting Association
Director of Officials and Fairs
Company NameUnited States Trotting Association
Dates EmployedFeb 2002 – Oct 2012 Employment Duration10 yrs 9 mos
Ohio Harness Horsemans Association
Company NameColumbus, Ohio
Dates EmployedMar 2000 – Feb 2002 Employment Duration2 yrs
Education
The Ohio State University
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TC will be getting my call in a few minutes.
the man is a licensed Vet dude, they would never do a horse wrong.....you will just look foolish in the eyes of TC Lane!!
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The guy has a UTRS over 500 !!!! TC Lane is very suspicious of the guys batting 148. Those are the guys who need to be investigated, those cheating buggers ngc3
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What TC doesn't know this horse is very tiny with little to no weight. Saw her in the bath stall Sunday night and she has to be lucky to be 14 hands. Also TC may not know this horse was broke as a weanling. Trained as a yearling. This VET slash trainer has another yearling out of this mare that is down to 2:20. A yearling! So where is this common place?
So you are gonna dictate to a vet/trainer how often he should race his horse or how he should train it? Size don’t matter, he obviously does well with his training methods over a long period of years. Unless you have ownership in the horse or some kind of authority in the industry mind your own business.
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Amazing how many horse fucks think that if you don't do it like I do it, you are doing it wrong. And that if you are successful, you must be cheating.
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Really Cigar a sucked up little pony racing back to back and then a few times a week? Seems a little over kill to nail down a 1,000 purse at the fair. What he has told a breeder is...he wants to have the winningest horse of the year and some type of trainer award. Yeah that spells class to me. And by the way nobody said he was cheating.
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Amazing how many horse fucks think that if you don't do it like I do it, you are doing it wrong. And that if you are successful, you must be cheating.
YOUR DOIN OK WITH THE FILLY USTA SAID ITS ALL GOOD
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Too bad there isn't more people in the game like her, she speaks her mind and calls the people who matter when she sees injustice. I was a coward and played dumb with the shit I was involved with. Horses First reminds me of Sulkyfromouterspa ce, trying to get things done!!
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This post was not started due to spite of this trainer's "winning ways" and "success," if you even classify $16,000 in 16 starts as success. It was started out of concern for the horses under his "care," animals that he has proven to give ZERO fucks about throughout his training career.
This strategy of over-racing has broken down numerous horses already. In recent history, ZERO yearlings trained down by Steven Renard have raced past 4 yo. Soak that in!! Every single yearling I could track down that he's trained has broken down before they finish their 4 yo campaign. This strategy has repetitively proven to be HORRIFICALLY harmful to his horses, and the USTA, the overarching representation of our sport, claims it is safe!?!? Is this a fucking joke?
And to make this even more ridiculous, they claim it is safe because he is "winning." The fact that they claim that the horse winning $1000 fair races at 2yo is a stronger indication of satisfactory long-term health, ignoring the fact that the horse is following an identical trend to numerous Renard horses in the past who have broken down, is just mind-blowingly stupid. This whole situation makes me sick. This is truly the most ignorant and idiotic thing I've ever heard in our sport.
And who tf gives this TC Lane idiot the right to even make this ruling? Shoudn't this be an IRB issue?
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Really Cigar a sucked up little pony racing back to back and then a few times a week? Seems a little over kill to nail down a 1,000 purse at the fair. What he has told a breeder is...he wants to have the winningest horse of the year and some type of trainer award. Yeah that spells class to me. And by the way nobody said he was cheating.
People train horses differently, maybe he figures 200 miles she can handle it. No different than people training horses every 3/4 days. I saw her she looks fine and the guy is a nice guy. He only races 5 months a year so she had plenty of time to rest. Maybe if Illinois had a longer race schedule he could space the dates out.
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I was at Hawthorne on Sunday night with a friend who knows nothing about horse racing. I taught him how to read a program, and he pointed out Loussolataire in Race 4 out to me and said "isn't it unhealthy that this horse races so much?" Someone who knew nothing about this sport and was looking at a program for their first time ever was able to notice that there is something wrong here. Yet experienced horsemen are defending him...?
The USTA constantly talks about bringing in new fans to the sport, yet refuses to do anything about clear animal abuse that is directly visible to the entire public. At least new-comers to the sport don't see the drugs these racehorses are pumped with, something the USTA is fighting with all of their power. They do look at the program and see this poor horse being run into the ground though, but apparently the USTA doesn't give a shit about that.
The argument that different trainers use different training tactics does not apply to compare obvious safety to obvious danger. No trainer should justifiably be allowed to abuse horses just because that's their unique way of training.
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Hey do what you want, but what he is doing there is nothing wrong with it. His horse his time his money. If you don’t like it but the horse from him give it as much time off as you want.
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Hey do what you want, but what he is doing there is nothing wrong with it. His horse his time his money. If you don’t like it but the horse from him give it as much time off as you want.
I respectfully disagree with your argument whole-heartedly. I don't believe trainers should be able to do whatever they want with their horses. Instead, I believe there should be and needs to be rules in our sport.
I think this all boils down to plopster's personal view of horses - are they pricey pieces of property or animals that deserve good lives. Personally, I support laws against animal abuse because I love animals, especially horses. It breaks my heart to see an overraced horse be pushed too hard, snap its leg, and be euthanized on the track (7/22 @ Red Mile. Race 9. #5). That's what it all boils down to.
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They got rules and he hasn’t broken any!
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2yr olds should average no more than 13 or 14 starts if healthy
3yr old
maybe 17 or 19 ,,dependin how good they are
overnight horse no more than 30 to 32 a yr ,,every horse should get 1 week or so off for every 4 or 5 starts ,
that's what every trainer I ever had told me,,
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there are guys that race their horses 45 times a yr or more
its their horse,,,
buy them out ,,or just watch there is nothing to complane about
no animal rights have been abused in just over racin them
dumb ass idea just about it..
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They got rules and he hasn’t broken any!
Per TC Lane, some USTA employee who is 1) completed uninformed of the entire background of the situation and 2) has absolutely no authority to make any sort of executive decision like this.
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Per TC Lane, some USTA employee who is 1) completed uninformed of the entire background of the situation and 2) has absolutely no authority to make any sort of executive decision like this.
IN REGARDS TO EXAMPLE #1: WHAT'S HE UNINFORMED ABOUT? HE CAN SEE, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, WHEN/WHERE THIS FILLY IS ENTERED, CORRECT?
YOUR MORALS HAVE BEEN INSULTED AGREED
NOBODY SAYIN ANY LAWS HAVE BEEN BROKEN
YOU FEED THE PRICK THEN U CAN TRAIN HIM
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Every horse is different and can handle different types of stress, if I was Renard I would wait until one of these ballers that complain about this make a headache for me to race the horse. Then go file a torches interference with business practices since the horse is a business. Do it once will never get any complaints again from anyone.
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Cigar I forget what Swoodall refers you as a owner or trainer. Either way a honest question have you or would you ever break a baby as a weanling? Then would you have a yearling trained down to 2:20? As a owner or trainer honest opinion and answer. If no please explain.
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Cigar I forget what Swoodall refers you as a owner or trainer. Either way a honest question have you or would you ever break a baby as a weanling? Then would you have a yearling trained down to 2:20? As a owner or trainer honest opinion and answer. If no please explain.
GINO JUST BUYS THEM HE DONT TRAIN THEM
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GINO JUST BUYS THEM HE DONT TRAIN THEM
Trains worst horse to ever get a check in Illinois.
I read that somewhere.
tmbz1
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Cigar I forget what Swoodall refers you as a owner or trainer. Either way a honest question have you or would you ever break a baby as a weanling? Then would you have a yearling trained down to 2:20? As a owner or trainer honest opinion and answer. If no please explain.
.....220 should be reached maybe maybe in april or early may,,
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of 2 yr old yr,,
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Well he can answer as a owner then since not raising one from being a baby foal. I don't have a issue other then the day to next day of racing. Going to a half mile crappy fair track. Fillies need some time to heal muscles and want not. This little will tie up at some point she has nothing to her frame. But the biggest part which was disclosed to a breeder was for glory having the most wins. So a greed factor versus health of the equine ATHLETE.
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Case Closed. ngc3 ngc3
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Well he can answer as a owner then since not raising one from being a baby foal. I don't have a issue other then the day to next day of racing. Going to a half mile crappy fair track. Fillies need some time to heal muscles and want not. This little will tie up at some point she has nothing to her frame. But the biggest part which was disclosed to a breeder was for glory having the most wins. So a greed factor versus health of the equine ATHLETE.
good luck at springfield and doquin comin up,,,
and MEL,,,out east tmbz1
jimmy boy,,
... tmbz1..
im at hoosier...idk whats gonna hapeen tonite,,
both may surpise or both may not,,
,ACE should do well, tmbz1
up and down like last time,,,
6/7...all
7/6..all...
1 horse and mite be in also tmbz1
framed is a little cuckoo at times ,,hopefully he rates and comes home well,,idk,,
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Well he can answer as a owner then since not raising one from being a baby foal. I don't have a issue other then the day to next day of racing. Going to a half mile crappy fair track. Fillies need some time to heal muscles and want not. This little will tie up at some point she has nothing to her frame. But the biggest part which was disclosed to a breeder was for glory having the most wins. So a greed factor versus health of the equine ATHLETE.
I hope you dare confront the horse owner face to face mano e mano, but cowards like you don't do shit. And I hope he takes a baseball bat and makes a mess out of your face with it.
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good luck at fairs
jimmy boy,,
... tmbz1..
im at hoosier...idk whats gonna hapeen tonite,,
both may surpise or both may not,,
,ACE should do well, tmbz1
up and down like last time,,,
6/7...all
7/6..all...
1 horse and mite be in also tmbz1
framed is a little cuckoo at times ,,hopefully he rates and comes home well,,idk,,
Good luck. Sincerely, good luck.
Have safe trips and smooth sailing on I-65 too.
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Hey coward who punches shit on a keyboard that is a fucking piece of shit. I already did in SPR. So go fuck yourself. Second thought you come find me one on one and I'll fuck your face up! So any time attthetrack.
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I hope you dare confront the horse owner face to face mano e mano, but cowards like you don't do shit. And I hope he takes a baseball bat and makes a mess out of your face with it.
I'd avoid a horse trainer with a baseball bat like the plague
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Lots of nameless tough guys on here threatening to fuck people up tmbz1
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Well he can answer as a owner then since not raising one from being a baby foal. I don't have a issue other then the day to next day of racing. Going to a half mile crappy fair track. Fillies need some time to heal muscles and want not. This little will tie up at some point she has nothing to her frame. But the biggest part which was disclosed to a breeder was for glory having the most wins. So a greed factor versus health of the equine ATHLETE.
I personally don’t race mine hard, and I don’t like to race them much at 2 if any.
But that’s my own preference. But every horse is different. And Calhoun you are a clown! That worst horse made more $$$$ than you did.
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To Dr. Renard's credit he is just as tuff on himself as he is on his horses.
He travels alone with his two horses. Crisscrossing Iowa and IL with no groom or family member for help. He is tuff as nails but friendlier then a puppy.
Very nice guy, wish him and his horses all the luck!
The game needs more like him.
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Doesn't mean that they won't be in the kill pens at the end of their 3yold season because they have been rung dry of any go?? The USTA feels that if a conditioner has a high UTRS he must really be doing right by his stock...........g ive me a Fockin break!!
This is the part that struck me the most--he must be doing something right because he's winning? wtf?
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Every horse is different and can handle different types of stress, if I was Renard I would wait until one of these ballers that complain about this make a headache for me to race the horse. Then go file a torches interference with business practices since the horse is a business. Do it once will never get any complaints again from anyone.
You're a fucking imbecile, as per usual
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All you clowns who are not in favor of how this man runs his stable, should get out of the business. Back your protest up with something meaningful
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All you clowns who are not in favor of how this man runs his stable, should get out of the business. Back your protest up with something meaningful
Nice fake email address, loser
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The game needs more like him.
The game needs more yearlings going in 2:20?
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The game needs more yearlings going in 2:20?
Time only matters in jail
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This guy apparently loves publicity and I believe the other's posters assertion that he wants the win title. Look at this article about Survivor DI.
http://www.ktiv.com/story/32474547/2016/07/18/fantastic-filly-hamilton-horse-trainer-rides-winning-streak
Poor trotter is probably now broken down. Hasn't been in a PM race since 09/17.
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Today at Paris, IL. he was on top by 18 at the quarter. Won again.
Purse: $1,440
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Loussolataire on USTA currently
Horse is not currently entered in a U.S. race ENTRIES
Paris - IL 07/25/18 Race 2 RESULTS - COMPLETED 12:15 PM
Lewistown - IL 07/24/18 Race 2 RESULTS - COMPLETED 5:15 PM
Hawthorne Racecourse - IL 07/22/18 Race 4 RESULTS - COMPLETED 8:35 PM
Farmer City - IL 07/19/18 Race 1 RESULTS - COMPLETED 5:30 PM
Petersburg - IL 07/18/18 Race 5 RESULTS - COMPLETED 8:00 PM
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The guy is a circus clown, not a horsemen. tmbz1 lots of them probably following that dusty circuit.
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Nice fake email address, loser
looks real to me
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looks real to me
May look real but it's not. try sending an email to it and see what happens.
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Sad part is that this guy is a veterinarian. I was talking to someone at Paris today and ask u they allow this fully to be run in the ground like this as I thought there were rules for this. His comment was that there is a rule against it but no one pays any attention to enforce it or as he said frankly could care less. More proof they could care less about racing in Illinois.
What is really alarming is he raced Tuesday night in Lewistown and then drove over 3 hours to race today. This is the second time now that this little filly has raced 2 races in a 15 hour period. Insanity
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Sad part is that this guy is a veterinarian. I was talking to someone at Paris today and ask u they allow this fully to be run in the ground like this as I thought there were rules for this. His comment was that there is a rule against it but no one pays any attention to enforce it or as he said frankly could care less. More proof they could care less about racing in Illinois.
What is really alarming is he raced Tuesday night in Lewistown and then drove over 3 hours to race today. This is the second time now that this little filly has raced 2 races in a 15 hour period. Insanity
Worst part he is a licensed veterinarian in good standing. Checked his license with the Illinois Licensing Board and he's licensed with no listed history of discipline (doesn't mean he hasn't been but if he did it was removed).
He is also apparently a practicing veterinarian. Sure, just because you're a vet doesn't mean you care about the welfare of animals--look at the all the vets who juiced steeds to the gills--but someone who is practicing on family pets who thinks it's perfectly fine to run an animal into the ground like this is rather vile. Pure greed and ego building on the back of a poor two year old filly. This guy is truly small peanuts when it comes to the problems in harness racing but you'd really think someone might refuse this guy's entry and say "why don't you give her a break?".
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What is really alarming is he raced Tuesday night in Lewistown and then drove over 3 hours to race today. This is the second time now that this little filly has raced 2 races in a 15 hour period. Insanity
Not taking sides here, but I guess you never heard of heat racing where EVERY horse HAS to race 2 races, usually only an hour apart. AND the Hambletonian has had some horses race THREE races in a 2 hour time frame.
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Not a two year old
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MANY two year old races are 2 heats in an hour.
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Not taking sides here, but I guess you never heard of heat racing where EVERY horse HAS to race 2 races, usually only an hour apart. AND the Hambletonian has had some horses race THREE races in a 2 hour time frame.
I most certainly have I owned them for 10 years but riding in a trailer 3 hours is much more stressful than standing in a stall cooling out fir 2 hours. Big difference.
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I most certainly have I owned them for 10 years but riding in a trailer 3 hours is much more stressful than standing in a stall cooling out fir 2 hours. Big difference.
I owned them for 25 years and found that some horses loved to ride in the trailer. And others didn't. Depends on the horse. But we were talking about racing 2 races in 15 hours. Seems EVERYBODY has a better idea than the guy who OWNS the horse. I would never do that, but it IS HIS horse.
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I owned them for 25 years and found that some horses loved to ride in the trailer. And others didn't. Depends on the horse. But we were talking about racing 2 races in 15 hours. Seems EVERYBODY has a better idea than the guy who OWNS the horse. I would never do that, but it IS HIS horse.
Breaking News at 10: People abuse their own animals.
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Breaking News at 10: People abuse their own animals.
Good Luck trying to find a judge who will enforce an animal welfare violation on that.
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Reinforces the fact that you can't fix stupid or greed.
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While I certainly don't agree with or condone this guy's methods, I do remember the days that the big stables would train their 2yos 3 trips a day twice a week. They also would train a trip in 2:15 or 2:20 warming up for the race rather than just a couple of jog miles like they do today.
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While I certainly don't agree with or condone this guy's methods, I do remember the days that the big stables would train their 2yos 3 trips a day twice a week. They also would train a trip in 2:15 or 2:20 warming up for the race rather than just a couple of jog miles like they do today.
With a quick last quarter on the last trip too. Trainers said the horses needed to get loosened up. I just wonder how fast a horse like Bret Hanover could go today with the different equipment and the drugs of today.
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While I certainly don't agree with or condone this guy's methods, I do remember the days that the big stables would train their 2yos 3 trips a day twice a week. They also would train a trip in 2:15 or 2:20 warming up for the race rather than just a couple of jog miles like they do today.
We used to drill the piss out of them, correct...3 trips 2x a week, and many jogged 4 miles a day in between. Had a slow 3 trip day, and weekend was fast trip day. Warm-ups were training sessions in essence as well. Drilled them a few weeks at .20, while doing brush work, ect...then drop-down begins.
And then, after the mile of their lives, they cooled out with blankets on, until dry, on the hoof. tmbz1
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Horse ran yesterday, in again today and Monday. 3 out of 4 days with a 2 yr old?!?
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WHILE COLTS TROTTED IN .51.4 YESTERDAY
IF YOU CANT BE FAST, BE CONSISTENT, TWICE A WEEK IF CALLED UPON
OR NOBODY EATS
RACING FOR THE COST OF HAY DOES THESE THINGS TO A HORSE
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She's already slowing down. She's barely squeaking by in these fair races now. Won by a head in 2:10 today....
Made me sick to watch. She might be the smallest and skinniest race horse I've ever seen in my life, and definitely the most over raced. Yet Renard beats the absolute shit out of her in the stretch. It's so disgusting.
Never seen a horse get beaten so bad.
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He might be a vet, but this guy needs a talking to.
VET THAT NEEDS SHRINK
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With 21 starts on the season, this little filly has 10 more starts than the next most raced 2yo in the country (11 starts).
Only a handful of 2 year olds even have 10 starts!!! And she has 10 more than the horse that comes in second!
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If the sport doesn't correct this stupidity Peta will. Here's whats coming.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/lara-trump-headlines-effort-to-end-florida-dog-racing
angbk angbk
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Who wants to be the dog's nose?
Must be a silicone sniffing dog
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Must be a silicone sniffing dog
;D 73cv.2
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Go Blue 21 and missing out of three others that would have been every other day races but rained out. One other in Iowa rained out. Everyone mentions the racing but also doesn't take in to account the stress on travel. It's not a 5 yr old she's 2. Granted she isn't putting up big miles but by years end she may card 40k or more or not? But travel 1,000's of miles doing it. What will she have at 3? Doubt that filly has much growth from what I seen.
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Go Blue 21 and missing out of three others that would have been every other day races but rained out. One other in Iowa rained out. Everyone mentions the racing but also doesn't take in to account the stress on travel. It's not a 5 yr old she's 2. Granted she isn't putting up big miles but by years end she may card 40k or more or not? But travel 1,000's of miles doing it. What will she have at 3? Doubt that filly has much growth from what I seen.
I don't think this trainer/vet/sack of shit is competent enough to think about what he's doing to the horse's future racing potential....
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If the sport doesn't correct this stupidity Peta will. Here's whats coming.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/lara-trump-headlines-effort-to-end-florida-dog-racing
angbk angbk
She obviously means to carry on the storied Trump tradition of empathy and compassion... ngc3
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Dump
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She just today finished 4th in her elim. at Springfield. So she will be in the final Wed. That will be 7 starts in the first 15 days of Aug. at 6 different tracks.
He’ll probably give her a tightener in between.
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In again Sat. the 18th.
9 starts in 18 days at 8 different tracks.
24 starts 13 wins $25,000
This is pure insanity. Oh my god.
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That poor filly. Wonder how much longer she'll be able to handle it before she's hurt.
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The worst part about this is how she's driven. You'd think they would be remotely gentle on a horse racing 8 times in 16 days at fairs all around the state.... Nope.
Renard beats the living shit out of her every single race. It's gruesome. The idiot has no clue how to drive a horse so he lets her fly out of the gait and go to the lead, take a big lead on the backstretch, then as she dies in the stretch because he didn't rate her he whips the horse to fucking death.
This might be the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in harness racing, ever.
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I would just love to walk up to this idiot and tap him right in his jaw...........the more I think about this the angrier I get!!
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Making her 28th start on Saturday. Going for a whopping $1602!
87xc.2
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I saw see made a break at DUQ Tuesday was entered ba k in on a race there on Wed. Well the poor thing has probably three more starts at Hawthorne and I don't believe there are any fairs left to race. Not sure if Sandwich still races these days. Just imagine she'll have over 30 starts but rained out five or six times entered and was AE a bunch of times in May and early June when she was already qualifying and racing. A two yr qualified in April ready to race first of May. Pretty much songs could say he had the horse with the most wins in 2018.
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Did Retard sell her? Steve Searle listed as trainer now
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I raced a great gaited 2 year old over 30 years ago 31 times had 16 wins and raced until he was 13. That being said he was a freak for sure, so easy on himself
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Did Retard sell her? Steve Searle listed as trainer now
Searle trains for him
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I would just love to walk up to this idiot and tap him right in his jaw...........the more I think about this the angrier I get!!
He's a practicing vet still!
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STOP IT ,,,,ROCCO TRIED THAT,,,,AND HIT HIM RIGHT IN THE KNEECAP
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My first chance to see her, small little filly that travels nice and goes with her head low. When Leonard asked her she put it another gear.....after reading so much over the last 2 months it was nice to see her perform tmbz1
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$7,500 cha ching for the owner!
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$7,500 cha ching for the owner!
yeah we should encourage assholes like him
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He burned this one up for sure. Check first two starts this year. Stayed flat last night, and was distanced. Nice job killing this one “doctor retard”
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This mother fucker is still running this horse into the ground.
Loussolataire raced Saturday night at Hawthorne... Renard drove her like a lunatic, pulling her wide with obviously no horse in her. She finishes dead last by a mile in 2:01.3.
She's entered again today (Monday)
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This mother fucker is still running this horse into the ground.
Loussolataire raced Saturday night at Hawthorne... Renard drove her like a lunatic, pulling her wide with obviously no horse in her. She finishes dead last by a mile in 2:01.3.
She's entered again today (Monday)
All bullshit aside, this is a disgrace on so many levels. tmbz1
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for the record , this is nothing even close to 3 year olds running two heats at the jug
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All bullshit aside, this is a disgrace on so many levels. tmbz1
He’s going to run that other 2 year old into the ground too. That one is winning, so he’ll be racing her 4 days a week soon.
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He’s going to run that other 2 year old into the ground too. That one is winning, so he’ll be racing her 4 days a week soon.
He’s got Loussolataire on the every other day program. Racing Sunday & Tuesday so far next week. Horse has more miles in the trailer than an average human spends in a car in their lifetime
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THINK HE IS A DOCTOR
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Started a thread last summer about this animal abuser running his 2yo filly Loussolataire into the ground.
He's back in action this summer with a new 2 year-old, Lous Flashy Dancer. The 2 year-old has already raced four times. Here's her USTA search:
Carrollton - IL 06/18/19 Race 10
Hawthorne Racecourse - IL 06/16/19 Race 4
Eldon - IA 06/12/19 Race 3
Martinsville - IL 06/10/19 Race 4
Absolutely ridiculous to race a 2 year-old four times in eight days this early in the season. But seeing what he did with Loussolataire last summer, this filly will have 35 starts by seasons end.
Oh and he's still racing Loussolataire on the same schedule as a 3-year old. She's already falling apart and can't finish within DIS of a field at Hawthorne.
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This guy is also apparently a licensed veterinarian. The sport is showingly a blant disregard for the well-being of horses by letting this fucker continue to train and race horses on this schedule.
There would be no horse racing without the horses!