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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Cleanupindustry on April 23, 2024, 12:25:13 PM
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Isn’t it funny how the other Burke is leading trainer in the country. He must be a genius also. Maybe if Dr. bokman wasn’t juicing all the horses up they wouldn’t be. But as long as bokman is there porky pig could be down as trainer. And porky pig would be leading trainer in country. Let’s put these vets in prison where they belong!!
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Was Dr. Bokman at nfld in the late 80's when Mickey sr started lighting up his pair of 3 claimers? I don't think so but I like your thought process and know most vets own horses or parts of horses then race against their clients. Probably not a good way to prevent corruption.
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When Mickey (Sr.) first started, in the early 80's, he was a part-time trainer and had another job. For some reason I am thinking it was something in the auto industry I think. When he went full-time, at some point he became a quasi-private trainer for George Leon (at the Meadows, in the late 80's). He was racing at the Meadows, occasionally in OH, and he was a high-percentage trainer then. After a falling out with George, he started training for himself, had an owner or two, and was still a high-percentage trainer at the Meadows. He first appeared at the Meadowlands in the late 80's, early 90's, with a couple of horses and did well. Sold a few, bought a few more down, etc. He kept a small stable at the Meadows that grew over time, and a few at the Meadowlands as well. That was the beginning of when he got on a real roll. Ronnie was working for him and so was Mickey Jr, but it was Mickey Sr. who had his name in the program at first. Bokman was based in NJ back then. I have no idea about the Bokman connection or rumors.
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Just have a sit down with Mr. Gural and say you're going through a tough time. No problem, just put your brother down. ngc3
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Just have a sit down with Mr. Gural and say you're going through a tough time. No problem, just put your brother down. ngc3
The whole "stable" and "trainer" scenario has been going on for 60 years. At some point, Billy Haughton put Apples name in the program, Ben Steall, Don Miller, Tommy, and so on. Some tracks had rules about this. Back in the heyday of the Meadowlands, Ray Remmen, a true Hall of Famer, and one of the most respected men in the business, put down "Stable: Ray Remmen/Trainer: Larry Remmen." Was his motivation to "cheat"??? No. But, if they had a positive test, which they had on a very rare occasion, Larry would take the days, Ray would continue to train and drive, and life would go on. Jimmy Doherty did it, Ben Webster, Mike Gagliardi, and so on. Even at the beginning, when John Campbell and Bill O'Donnell had a stable, they both put down second trainers after a while. But we couldn't be talking about anything further from cheating when you are talking about someone like Ray Remmen.
Take it to the extreme, and this is what Burke is able to do today.
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When Mickey (Sr.) first started, in the early 80's, he was a part-time trainer and had another job. For some reason I am thinking it was something in the auto industry I think. When he went full-time, at some point he became a quasi-private trainer for George Leon (at the Meadows, in the late 80's). He was racing at the Meadows, occasionally in OH, and he was a high-percentage trainer then. After a falling out with George, he started training for himself, had an owner or two, and was still a high-percentage trainer at the Meadows. He first appeared at the Meadowlands in the late 80's, early 90's, with a couple of horses and did well. Sold a few, bought a few more down, etc. He kept a small stable at the Meadows that grew over time, and a few at the Meadowlands as well. That was the beginning of when he got on a real roll. Ronnie was working for him and so was Mickey Jr, but it was Mickey Sr. who had his name in the program at first. Bokman was based in NJ back then. I have no idea about the Bokman connection or rumors.
I thought his vet at the meadows was his main vet until he passed away. That was a little over 10 years ago now. Maybe Bokman came after?
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the vets will do whatever you want. they will drench on race day. its all about the almighty dollar. it really is a sad state. there are a few vets that wont do shady things but very few. tell them what you want or even provide the medications. some vets will even keep it in there truck for you. they should test every horse in every race. it cant cost that much compared to what the purses are each night. they can affords it. and if they cant dont operate a race track.
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It actually looks like testing doesn't matter anymore so why even test these races. It looks like the industry is trying to test its way out of business. Stop all this testing and you will actually have people that will compete because then it will be fair. Well I mean it will be more fair than it is now. Now you're fine and days all depend on how many horses you race. If you have a lot of horses you don't get fined and days well maybe a little fine here and there but you never get days.
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Barry Betts was his vet. His original partner was Oldfield. He was on his own before he hooked up with George, they had a great relationship till George lost his money in the casino. The stable turned around when Ronnie got interested in the business, he and Weaver built the brigade into what it is.
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It actually looks like testing doesn't matter anymore so why even test these races. It looks like the industry is trying to test its way out of business. Stop all this testing and you will actually have people that will compete because then it will be fair. Well I mean it will be more fair than it is now. Now you're fine and days all depend on how many horses you race. If you have a lot of horses you don't get fined and days well maybe a little fine here and there but you never get days.
i like this idea better. i agree just let it be a free for all. i think the races would be better.
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PETA would love it.
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Barry Betts was his vet. His original partner was Oldfield. He was on his own before he hooked up with George, they had a great relationship till George lost his money in the casino. The stable turned around when Ronnie got interested in the business, he and Weaver built the brigade into what it is.
Ronnie and Weaver have the secret sauce.
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wait who gives who the secret sauce?
Ronnie------->weaver?
Weaver-----> ronnie?
who blasts who?
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DR.BOKMAN!!!
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when will they catch him?
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They have to want to catch him in order to actually catch him.
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Exactly !!! If they want to they would. Just like they go to a barn on a Wednesday afternoon take blood on a horse from a trainer they want. No. Go to barn the morning they race and stand there so they can’t tube the horse. Don’t go on a Wednesday afternoon. Waste of time. Stand in their barn Friday and Saturday morning and follow them til they get to racetrack. See how they race
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maybe ill go get a job with burke. see whats just going on.
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maybe ill go get a job with burke. see whats just going on.
Do it do it do it do it
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Ronnie and Weaver have the secret sauce.
I agree that they have the secret sauce. It starts with a cup of hard work, two tablespoons of imagination, a half cup of willingness to invest lots of money in stock, a syringe full of mile and a half training trips on days when everyone else decided not to train. Three boxes of grooms many of whom have trainers licenses and a half bushel of owners who put it on the line and stay out of the way. Success is a result of regular habit and Burkes have great habits. Some of us are habitual bitchers who would rather talk than work! Bitching can be a regular habit too. Just saying!
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Not doubting they put in the work and invest big money, but you can’t argue they push the envelope and get their share of positives. You also can’t agree it’s fair to change trainer in name only and never miss a day.