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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: 7minuteAbz on August 31, 2023, 10:01:02 AM
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Which one has the best chance at making the bigtime?
Brett Beckwith
Luke Hanners
Matty Athearn
Mitch Cushing
Nick Graffam
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how about Austin Hanners?
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Funny I'd say exactly in the order you have them. Now, as for big time. Top 3, especially Brett should be quite serviceable, capable drivers on a relatively big stage and may have some great moments. I would say they will have the talent of a Todd McCarthy using him as an example. Best young driver I have seen last 15 years, essentially exploding right out of his teenage years is Scotty Zeron.
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There should be some kind of mentor program. If I was a young driver I'd love to have an experienced driver like Simon Allard take me under his wing.
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Which one has the best chance at making the bigtime?
Brett Beckwith
Luke Hanners
Matty Athearn
Mitch Cushing
Nick Graffam
Luke Hanners...
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Beckwith and Hanners already have a guiding influence up at Saratoga. Whether they heed his advice is up to them!
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Which one has the best chance at making the bigtime?
Brett Beckwith
Luke Hanners
Matty Athearn
Mitch Cushing
Nick Graffam
jack pelling tmbz1
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I have met Brett Beckwith and Luke Hanners in the Saratoga paddock. They both have won with horses I am a part of and Todd McCarthy has too.
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All of the drivers mentioned have talent...but Todd McCarthy is not an up and coming...he is on top of the mountain..
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Bobby Smolin...up + coming driver. 11.wp ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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All of the drivers mentioned have talent...but Todd McCarthy is not an up and coming...he is on top of the mountain..
Is Todd better than Andrew? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Beckwith and Hanners already have a guiding influence up at Saratoga. Whether they heed his advice is up to them!
Mark is influential.
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Mark is influential.
There is someone else there too. Can you name him??
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uncle wally
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Johnathon Ahle....man has this kid improved.
And he still has value. He shows up at the Big M, Harrahs and Pocono, freehold, Rosecroft and Ocean ( Where, thank you Johnathon, you were very good to me.
Lots of miles of late.
I have not seen a stiff of a ride yet.
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Bret has the best chance by far. He's getting big-time exposure and it's not going to his head. PLUS HE:S GOOD. I've seen him winning races for not only the top stables but for the smaller ones too. He's in demand where he goes. Can't say that for all listed and some don't travel. Besides Stg and Plainridge I see him traveling and winning at the Meadowlands, Freehold, Harrahs, and I think even Dover in the winter. He's a worker
Attitude also will affect his future. And he has a great one. Some others listed can rub people the wrong way.
Time will tell but my money is on Bret.
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There should be some kind of mentor program. If I was a young driver I'd love to have an experienced driver like Simon Allard take me under his wing.
For real? Simon would take them alright every inch
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Austin Siegelman
Adam Moykens
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uncle wally
good guess but no
wally needs to feed himself so why teach the kids tricks they can use against him!
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good guess but no
wally needs to feed himself so why teach the kids tricks they can use against him!
Richie and Jerry Silverman
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Jacob Cutting
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Bret has the best chance by far. He's getting big-time exposure and it's not going to his head. PLUS HE:S GOOD. I've seen him winning races for not only the top stables but for the smaller ones too. He's in demand where he goes. Can't say that for all listed and some don't travel. Besides Stg and Plainridge I see him traveling and winning at the Meadowlands, Freehold, Harrahs, and I think even Dover in the winter. He's a worker
Attitude also will affect his future. And he has a great one. Some others listed can rub people the wrong way.
Time will tell but my money is on Bret.
Agree but got a huge headstart with Mark behind him, like McNair in Canada
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Austin has been improving over the summer. Patients are tuff to develop in the beginning, it will develop in time if the guy is willing to work on getting better. The guys that blame the horses for the lack of results, will be "hacks" until they are out of opportunities!
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Adrian Wisher Jr
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Adrian Wisher Jr
Imagine if he lost 100 pounds....even 50 pounds. Love him in the amateur races.
William Carter jr also on the improve
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First question. I believe Todd is more talented that Andy (McCarthy) Also, I was not referring to Todd as a young up and comer, I meant that he represented the level some of the young drivers mentioned at the start if the thread. I feel as if Todd is someqwhere to 25 driver bur not top ten and thats where I think Brett Beckwith and Brad Hanners can rise to.
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Patrick Shepard
Won the rising star award up in Canada, will be on a gazzed up Allard horse within the next 5 years, if he stays with it & shows the same improvement...
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ATLEE BENDER
CORDARIUS STEWART
JUAN FRANCO
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Patrick Shepard
Won the rising star award up in Canada, will be on a gazzed up Allard horse within the next 5 years, if he stays with it & shows the same improvement...
What happened to L Roy I thought Yannick was promoting him
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What happened to L Roy I thought Yannick was promoting him
He even introduced him to Nancy
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ngc3
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What happened to L Roy I thought Yannick was promoting him
L.Roy still going hard, drives for some big outfits & has a couple horses himself.
Patrick's brother Steven, may be a rising star. He needs a bigger head to make it in this game.
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Who will be the next David Miller?
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Who will be the next David Miller?
MARCUS HAS A REALLY GOOD SHOT AT BEING SPECIAL ..
IN TIME BUT WILL HAPPEN tmbz1
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MARCUS HAS A REALLY GOOD SHOT AT BEING SPECIAL ..
IN TIME BUT WILL HAPPEN tmbz1
Marcus gets a bum rap, people on here like to rip on him, because he's not Campbell or Pierce
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Montrell is playable in most races
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There should be some kind of mentor program. If I was a young driver I'd love to have an experienced driver like Simon Allard take me under his wing.
If they are under 18 Semen Allard will take them under his tongue
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Richie and Jerry Silverman
Now you are on his mother's side of the family tree but not the correct answer!
A clue: It is a well known horseman in the business for 40+ years! Another hint: he was also responsible for mentoring Mark Beckwith too!
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did someone say todd maybe top 25 and luke hanners and bret beck can be top 10..some day......you must be on crack... todd top 10to top15 now already
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did someone say todd maybe top 25 and luke hanners and bret beck can be top 10..some day......you must be on crack... todd top 10to top15 now already
Read what i said carefully you misinterpreted what i said
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I said i put Todd McCarthy currently in that 11 to 25 range. Not quite top 10. Not yet. As for Brett Beckwith and Hanners, as the next ten years go by and some people retire. Dave Miller for example, they could rise into top 10.. especially, Brett Beckwith - I see plenty of talent there. If you disagree, that's all good.
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Now you are on his mother's side of the family tree but not the correct answer!
A clue: It is a well known horseman in the business for 40+ years! Another hint: he was also responsible for mentoring Mark Beckwith too!
c connor jr
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Glenn Bailey
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Ok rainman, let's play Beckwith trivia: One of their all-time favorite horses, has something artsy about him.
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Joey putnam hoosier
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Jacob Cutting
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c connor jr
The 3rd times the charm! I've been associated with the Connor's over the last decade or so. Can always get a great story or 2 if/when I see them. Now back to the topic at hand--When the Connor's put down the youngsters to drive their horses, what does that tell you (going back a few years ago before the accent of the youngsters)? From what I was told in one of his stories, Chuck helped in the development of Mark Beckwith too!
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Ok rainman, let's play Beckwith trivia: One of their all-time favorite horses, has something artsy about him.
I'm not up with the Beckwith barn at all over the years. I've been down near Pompano Park (RIP) too many years and raced horses with the Connor's up north during this time span.
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I'm not up with the Beckwith barn at all over the years. I've been down near Pompano Park (RIP) too many years and raced horses with the Connor's up north during this time span.
HIS NAME WAS RENOIR tmbz1
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Remember this name ---TYLER BORTH
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Joey putnam hoosier
I agree with that. Joey has a gr8 coach in his corner. His dad Joe! Joe was a top notch driver and could get the job done with either gait! Pops was a major factor in the very lucrative Michigan program about 30 years ago. He always had a calm demeanor and the ability to get the best from green trotters in the pre trotting hopples era. Joey has all the tools to succeed as long as he stays focused on improving. tmbz1
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There should be some kind of mentor program. If I was a young driver I'd love to have an experienced driver like Simon Allard take me under his wing.
You look like Simon's type. Should be a no brainer for you,,,
11.wp ngc3
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yes, i agree with your views.
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going by the title of the thread.
Brett is on his way to climbing that mountain. Young, not afraid to travel and has success at all tracks. From his interviews, kid seems to have his head on strait.
Someone mentioned Todd McCarthy. Folks, pay attention. He already is there. Top 10, Top 15. Call it what you want. He is a grand circuit driver. Enough said.
Luke Hanners. He also has the talent. Competed at the Big M in the Winter and has won. Can't speak to the person he is, but talent wise I think he has it.
Johnathan Ahle. I agree that the more I watch him, I do like him. Definitely better than last year. More experience, etc... bright future.
Matty "Ice" Athearn and Nick Graffam. I see them making their livings in New England and NY. Matty gets a cup of coffee at the Big M once in a while, but that's that.
The rest of the people that have been mentioned, i have not watched enough to form an opinion. I am intrigued by Tyler Borth. Have to watch him a little more.
One last one real quick. Adam Moykens. Spelling may be off. From what I have seen, he needs a lot more work and drives. He has a hard time getting control of horses.
Like anything when you are young, you need experience. Grind out day to day, have a good attitude and don't feel entitled.
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Tyler Borth has to be at least 30 and 10 years driving experience
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Beckwith def is threat.
others noted, if have horse, playable too
..im fan of Colin Kelly Canadian work too.
elsewhere..
Ontario
B track comer
IF they play ball with him, and why not.
Samuel Fillion (not Filion)
10 trips Kawartha tonight, 9 trips sun night Rideau.
Can deliver more often than not.
***and this offer, like in the Balmoral dominance days of Casey Leonard, when I advised right here to find the ONE or maybe two races a night he might be 'exacta-missing possible' to make REAL money..advising everyone to take a hard look at ONE race sunday night when kingpin Guy Gagnon might be 'phony favorite -exactor missing vulnerable' and it MUST be matched with Samuel Fillion 'exacta- hitting, top or bottom' and you will get your best payoff of the card.
Im gonna take hard look and report back.
Good luck in all wagering adventures
jctoronto
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Got to add Jusstin Walters...Tearing them up at the meadows of late. Just took one at 45-1. Looks really good in the bike and drives with his hands, not the whip.
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Braxton Boyd
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Braxton Boyd
Rumor has it Boyd couldn't win a few races with Dowse horses!
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ATLEE BENDER
CORDARIUS STEWART
JUAN FRANCO
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MARCUS HAS A REALLY GOOD SHOT AT BEING SPECIAL ..
IN TIME BUT WILL HAPPEN tmbz1
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 Marcus is special alright..... special needs.
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Looked at the charts from Tuesday's races at Plainridge
Bret Beckwith had 8 drives on the 11 race card.
5 wins
1 second
1 5th
1 6th
The last winner paid over $20 from the rail
Numbers don't lie. 20-year-old has talent!!
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Hails from such a great racing family, except for Mark lol
Congrats Bret.
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Hails from such a great racing family, except for Mark lol
Congrats Bret.
[/I have watched in person many of Mark's indiscretions but one can nevers say he was lazy or could not drive a horse with the best of them. i.e. When he was asked to leave Rosecroft and immediately became one of the leading drivers a Yonkers.]
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Race fixer extroadinaire. He was under FBI observation for years early 2000s out of their Mid Hudson area office. Has been hooked up with former degenerate trainer, Convicted mob associate and book maker, Richie Lacava
Racts are facts. I cut my teeth in NE, had a great deal and respect as a young wanna be for Mel, John and Bert. Loved their trotter Mr. Nashua Cried when Bert hung himself at like 40 years old over a woman. I know and have respect for the family, but Mark is Mark.
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Which one has the best chance at making the bigtime?
Brett Beckwith
Luke Hanners
Matty Athearn
Mitch Cushing
Nick Graffam
Bart Dalious and Johnathon Ahle can outdrive any in this group. Keep an eye on them!
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Bart Dalious and Johnathon Ahle can outdrive any in this group. Keep an eye on them!
Don't know much about Bart, but I do know that Brett competes against higher quality drivers.
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Bart is a nice guy with potential but except for one or two trainers, gets slim pickings at Dover.
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Johnathon Ahle....man has this kid improved.
And he still has value. He shows up at the Big M, Harrahs and Pocono, freehold, Rosecroft and Ocean ( Where, thank you Johnathon, you were very good to me.
Lots of miles of late.
I have not seen a stiff of a ride yet.
Watch his drive in the Chester 2nd today, as crooked as it gets
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Bart Dalious and Johnathon Ahle can outdrive any in this group. Keep an eye on them!
Can you share what your smoking?
73cv.2
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MARCUS MILLER
ATLEE BENDER
CORDARIUS STEWART
JUAN FRANCO
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kiwi.. what are you talking about.. perfect drive...empty.... ..
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kiwi.. what are you talking about.. perfect drive...empty.... ..
Looked that way to me, too. just didn't wanna go 15 rounds with him on this one
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MARCUS MILLER
ATLEE BENDER
CORDARIUS STEWART
JUAN FRANCO
I agree with your call on Atlee Bender. The others have plenty of room for improvement.
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kiwi.. what are you talking about.. perfect drive...empty.... ..
You must not have watched the right race, in the pocket, 1st over horse is not going forward and he goes behind him. Stays in he's no worse than 2nd. Just a braindead move by a poor driver
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I would like to add Juan Franco and Jamaica Patton. (Not sure how young they are!)
Also, from the Wisconsin fair circuit: Mel Mullet and Gabe Wand seem quite capable.
Another young driver that I saw in the Hawthorne qualifiers is Bobby Smolin. I hope that he has recovered. I never minded risking my money on Mr Smolin (assuming the horse is reasonable!)
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I would like to add Juan Franco and Jamaica Patton. (Not sure how young they are!)
Also, from the Wisconsin fair circuit: Mel Mullet and Gabe Wand seem quite capable.
Another young driver that I saw in the Hawthorne qualifiers is Bobby Smolin. I hope that he has recovered. I never minded risking my money on Mr Smolin (assuming the horse is reasonable!)
Im sure the two mentioned are somewhat capable, but really? Wisconsin fair circuit?
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Which one has the best chance at making the bigtime?
Brett Beckwith
Luke Hanners
Matty Athearn
Mitch Cushing
Nick Graffam
Rumors in Maine must be true slim Pickens and no teeth all these young guns share the same broad Katie + oh + ny.. anywhere else. I’d hit that ahhhhroooogaaaa 🤯🫨 up and cuming
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Im sure the two mentioned are somewhat capable, but really? Wisconsin fair circuit?
My friend Fuguzzi.
Here is a triva for you.
Which two USTA Hall Of Fame drivers were born, raised, and started their HOF careers on the Wisc. fair circuit?
Hint
One has over 10,000 wins.
The other won the national dash winning title.
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My friend Fuguzzi.
Here is a triva for you.
Which two USTA Hall Of Fame drivers were born, raised, and started their HOF careers on the Wisc. fair circuit?
Hint
One has over 10,000 wins.
Dave Magee.
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Dave Magee.
Pretty sure Magee is correct. I feel like a fool now questioning the Wisconsin fair circuit. I just gave myself a swat with a burr head pole....
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Pretty sure Magee is correct. I feel like a fool now questioning the Wisconsin fair circuit. I just gave myself a swat with a burr head pole....
Your excused!
Yes Dave Magee and Don Busse.
Don's son Daryl also won the National dash title. He also was born and raised in Wi.
Dean Magee won the NA Cup with Yankee Cruiser.
He also was born, raised, and started at the wi. fairs.
And the list goes on and on.
Oh and for sure don't forget John DeLong.
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Ive heard the Busse's were fine horseman and very good drivers
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Another young driver that I saw in the Hawthorne qualifiers is Bobby Smolin. I hope that he has recovered. I never minded risking my money on Mr Smolin (assuming the horse is reasonable!)
Dave,
To my way of thinking Bobby Smolin is far from being young.
He is 42.
Been around the track all his life.
He had some promise ten/fifteen years ago.
In horse lingo I would say he is a mid claimer on his way to a long turnout.
He has made posts on Horse Plop that only a child would make.
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I would like to add Juan Franco and Jamaica Patton. (Not sure how young they are!)
Patton is 43
Franco is 46
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from the Wisconsin fair circuit: Mel Mullet and Gabe Wand seem quite capable.
Mullet is 29 and may make it.
Wand at 43 is a USTA Director,
He is a cheesehead.
Want to guess what his day job is?
Hint
He is a well educated cheesehead from the dairy state.
If you want to cheat, read his bio on The USTA Director page.
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What about Ray Fishers kid in batavia
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Dave,
To my way of thinking Bobby Smolin is far from being young.
He is 42.
Been around the track all his life.
He had some promise ten/fifteen years ago.
In horse lingo I would say he is a mid claimer on his way to a long turnout.
He has made posts on Horse Plop that only a child would make.
Good thread but keep it 25 and under a guy 30 and driving 12 years isnt an up and comer
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Brett Beckwith Jacob Cutting tyler Booth Austin Sorrie
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How about that Hanners kid. Bit aggressive but can get 1 to go