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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harnessfan902 on May 01, 2020, 09:01:17 PM
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According to a Pa report today. Luzerne county (pocono ) and Delaware county (Chester) won’t be released until May 25 and then will have 7-9 weeks clear of 100 or more daily positive virus reports to open. Appears to be early to mid July. Gonna be a long road. Stay safe all
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This is great news! The horses can rest, hopefully these scumbag harness fucks are so broke they can't drug the poor horses anymore. I hope all harness folk, especially the PA thieves FUCKING STARVE!
Wow. Thats like saying you hope all Irish people die because of what Timothy Mcveigh did. Not all of us are monsters. Most harness people are just trying to make a living and take good care of their horses. You only hear about the bad ones
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Believe me, i am aware of these assholes. I wish them nothing but trouble. They aren't even horsemen. And I truly understand your anger because if i hadn't been in this business for 40 years id feel the same. They are greedy businessmen just looking to turn a profit any means possible. But they are in the minority. I learned to ride a horse at about the same time i learned to walk. I was jogging them at 8. I have spent more nights sleeping in barns than i have in beds. I get along better with horses than i do most people. And I'm telling you, the vast majority of horsemen feel the same way.
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Most people knew what they were doing and stayed silent. HONOR AMONG THIEVES, put your head in the sand, a bunch of sheep being led to the slaughter. Can¨t wait till Wolfe says, give the state the money from the casinos, find a new source of money. Do you really think there will be a lot of politicians will stick up for horse racing.
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Stayed silent??? Are you fucking kidding. They were stealing money from the honest ones. We were constantly bitching about it but were always told there was nothing they could do bc there were no positive tests. Honor among thieves. Bullshit. We hate them as much as everyone else and are rejoicing at their downfall.
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I’ve been in the biz for 40 years. 35 as a trainer and I can honestly say I’m glad they finally got the bad guys. I’ve seen it all from dragons lair getting I should say the Beatles song famous line I get by with a ——— help ——— — ————- In paddock. Now this great fbi investigation Now for once again horsemen ship will raise to the top. The horsemen I know take better care of there horses than they do them selfs I too spent nights at the barn Even dosing a horse that collapsed with water and electrolytes this is after vets spent hours and many jugs on him. For him to final get up about 4 am was Such a great feeling than the same race again and win was even better this is just saying that most Horsemen are great people just want to work make a nice living and they care so much for their animals but we do need therapeutic drugs in the business just to keep Horses going and this is where most people don’t understand that don’t know the business thing banamine overage positive is a bad thing It’s just a therapeutic drug To help Horses overcome some minor soreness but just tying up or minor injury so this is why they have tolerances on certain drugs and it should be actually locked up or carefully so we could use even better things just to maintain our horses it’s like a human being taking an aspirin for a headache are usually don’t respond to this website because there’s so many wannabes if you would go to any track and just watch you receive a hard effort that people put in every day and if you think it’s easy to drive one try to do it yourself specially if you got a bad acting horse that kicks or away or it will scare the shit out of 99% of the people that are on the site so getting kicked stepped on it with the shoe it’s just part of the game most of the drivers just suck it up and go on they got heart just as good as most horses Of course you get a P hard one once in while that’s when they need to find a new ZIP Code good luck to all and may we be back Reison. soon
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According to a Pa report today. Luzerne county (pocono ) and Delaware county (Chester) won’t be released until May 25 and then will have 7-9 weeks clear of 100 or more daily positive virus reports to open. Appears to be early to mid July. Gonna be a long road. Stay safe all
where did u see or read this
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According to a Pa report today. Luzerne county (pocono ) and Delaware county (Chester) won’t be released until May 25 and then will have 7-9 weeks clear of 100 or more daily positive virus reports to open. Appears to be early to mid July. Gonna be a long road. Stay safe all
What about Washington County (The Meadows)?
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What about Washington County (The Meadows)?
meadows will open before pocono or chester
and it has nothing to do with location
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It has to do with virus cases.
Western PA affected less than Wilkes Barre
Meadows will open first
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Not unless Pittsburgh´s cases drop more, All still has to be approved by Gov. Just hope the cases don´t explode other places after they open things up, we will be right back where we started.
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It has to do with virus cases.
Western PA affected less than Wilkes Barre
Meadows will open first
it has nothing to do with virus cases
the track has better government that does all they can for the horseman instead of it being a club
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Not unless Pittsburgh´s cases drop more, All still has to be approved by Gov. Just hope the cases don´t explode other places after they open things up, we will be right back where we started.
Pittsburgh has nothing to do with the Meadows.
Pittsburgh is Allegheny County.
The Meadows is in Washington County with only 118 cases & 2 deaths.
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YEP and they are opening in regions, NOT by county. They have tested about 650 people in Washington County.Have you read the Govs orders, He is NOT going to open a county in the middle of counties that are NOT open. Lets see how this plays out. I am sure they will have a problem with ship ins, Do NOT think they will let OHIO horses race there.
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YEP and they are opening in regions, NOT by county. They have tested about 650 people in Washington County.Have you read the Govs orders, He is NOT going to open a county in the middle of counties that are NOT open. Lets see how this plays out. I am sure they will have a problem with ship ins, Do NOT think they will let OHIO horses race there.
NO they are opening by Counties, yes the counties are grouped in the north & the north central, but they could open a group like Fayette, Greene, Somerset, Washington & Westmoreland.
Look at any story and they say - Governor Tom Wolf addresses reopening of 24 Pennsylvania counties
Wolf said.
These are the counties that will be reopened first: Bradford, Cameron, Centre, Clarion, Clearfield, Clinton, Crawford, Elk, Erie, Forest, Jefferson, Lawrence, Lycoming, McKean, Mercer, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Sullivan, Tioga, Union, Venango, and Warren.
“We Pennsylvanians have flattened the curve," Wolf said.
“We have many areas that are having few or no new cases,” Wolf added.
Wolf said he is looking at other counties to move into the yellow zone, including southwestern Pennsylvania and some in southcentral Pennsylvania. He didn’t specify a date as to when a decision would be made on the next round of counties.
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May will turn into June which will turn into July which will turn into August and then September and in that time a second wave will hit because there is no vaccine so suck it up no racing until Jan 1st at the earliest. Believe me racing is not on the front burner, it hasn't even made it to the kitchen.
IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE HALLWAY WAITING FOR A SEAT AT THE TABLE EITHER
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May will turn into June which will turn into July which will turn into August and then September and in that time a second wave will hit because there is no vaccine so suck it up no racing until Jan 1st at the earliest. Believe me racing is not on the front burner, it hasn't even made it to the kitchen.
somehow i feel like this is true
its a shame we dont have the governance fighting for us
maybe they are, but i sure dont hear about it...
I know if i was on the board id be in harrisburg getting answers
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I'm a bettor so that where this viewpoint derives from. But doesn't some of this problem with the seeming unwillingness of harness tracks to return just relate to profitability.
I've read on here from some posters for awhile that betting handle doesn't matter because casino $ siphoned off guarantee harness purse levels.
I don't enjoy saying this as a lifelong fan of harness racing who has been regally entertained by the sport for all my lifetime, but to me that seems idiotic. If a business isn't profitable it's based on a house of cards just looking for a reason to collapse.
Isn't the reason some of these flat tracks are going to run because of profitability. Track owners want them to reopen. No so true with the harness. Yonkers bleeds money so badly it's obscene.
I'm not sure what the business dies to resolve this but ignoring handle is egregious error IMHO.
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It would only make sense, Horny. Just as in 2008. Business was severely interrupted by the financial collapse, world wide. What emerged was either a smarter more efficiently run business or a bankrupt business. The more heavily leveraged a company was, the less likely it was to return.
Markets for your product also either shift or dry-up. So, in order to move forward, a company must invest in customer retention/acquisition or, pack it in.
There may not be many tracks that have the will or the funds to make the investment to move on.
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It would only make sense, Horny. Just as in 2008. Business was severely interrupted by the financial collapse, world wide. What emerged was either a smarter more efficiently run business or a bankrupt business. The more heavily leveraged a company was, the less likely it was to return.
Markets for your product also either shift or dry-up. So, in order to move forward, a company must invest in customer retention/acquisition or, pack it in.
There may not be many tracks that have the will or the funds to make the investment to move on.
You have to realize, that when the tracks allowed the casinos in as partners , the track was giving up some of it’s handle to the casinos in exchange for a % of the casinos handle. Or, at least they should have figured that could happen.
The mistake was allowing the casinos to run the show.
It would have been like a store paying a % of its sales to a landlord.
The other problem, as I stated before, is the deals with the ADWs.
Purse money % is much higher for on track wagers than off track.
That needs to change as most bets are now made off track, even before the Coronavirus.
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I don't know what track employed a model that "gave up handle in exchange for a % of casino handle ". I recall the lobbyist for the tracks pitching how harness racing would be exposed to new fans and handle. Having a casino would grow their base and market. In fact it had the opposite effect. Once the public was given a chance to choose, it did not choose racing.
The off ADW's split has been a well documented house advantage and not paying fair rates for another's entity, for some time. NY demanded 5% more and collects that, as well as distributes it to their tracks.
Bottom line is most race tracks, the entity with the power to make the change, couldn't care less.
The result is purse accounts are funded about 80% from sources other than host handle.
I agree, this needs changing as you can almost give odds the states will change the casino's funding.
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I don't know what track employed a model that "gave up handle in exchange for a % of casino handle ". I recall the lobbyist for the tracks pitching how harness racing would be exposed to new fans and handle. Having a casino would grow their base and market. In fact it had the opposite effect. Once the public was given a chance to choose, it did not choose racing.
The off ADW's split has been a well documented house advantage and not paying fair rates for another's entity, for some time. NY demanded 5% more and collects that, as well as distributes it to their tracks.
Bottom line is most race tracks, the entity with the power to make the change, couldn't care less.
The result is purse accounts are funded about 80% from sources other than host handle.
I agree, this needs changing as you can almost give odds the states will change the casino's funding.
Regarding the lobbyists-
Except the casinos stopped advertising that the track was there and only pitched the casino.
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every track cancelling or postponing many stakes and pa has postponed sires for 3 yr olds already
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I completely agree, iceman is right, racing is not on the front burner, not in the kitchen. I don´t think it is even in the house. State has a lot more to worry about than the horse community. The only hope they have is for the Hanover use what ever clout they have. This is killing their breeders awards.