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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: eyeinthesky on February 02, 2022, 02:58:54 PM
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Guilty........... ..............I wonder if Nicky boy will be sleeping well tonight
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/jury-finds-fishman-guilty-drug-maker-could-face-15-years-in-prison/
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Go to the paulick report and read fishmans client list. INTERESTING !!!
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Go to the paulick report and read fishmans client list. INTERESTING !!!
I can’t find the list.. Do you have the link you can post ?
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dont know how but somebody on here will be able to share the link to it.
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If you go to the Paulick report, scroll down to the bottom of the article, There you can access the general list, and the New York specific lists
Sincerely, Silent One
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If you go to the Paulick report, scroll down to the bottom of the article, There you can access the general list, and the New York specific lists
Sincerely, Silent One
Thank you.. Here is the link for NY customers.. Not sure how recent any of the sales were as one of the names I recognized died back in 2016 ( Sam Fava)
https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-713_Redacted-equestology-ny-client-list.pdf
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Is there anyone who wasn’t a customer??
General List
https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
New York List:
https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-713_Redacted-equestology-ny-client-list.pdf
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https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
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It’s got just about everyone in the business
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what will gural do with this list?
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The list of clients is now out! Many familiar names on there! 33 pages
PaulickReport.com
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There are people on this list dead for almost 10 years.
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lets just remember that many many many of these names could be the purchase of things like bute or dex or omeprazole....not all are down the road drugs
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Absolutely. If the product is the same and you can reduce your cost, why not buy from him?
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https://www.google.com/search?q=amazon+dexamethasone&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS530US539&oq=amazon+dexamethasone&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l9.8400j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Then Amazon must be real busy 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/a-look-at-seth-fishmans-client-lists/
Meadowlands should close up now 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Looks like it may not be a client list, but just a mailing list he bought from the USTA or somesuch as EVERYBODY seems to be on the list and most of the names just don't make sense to have had any kind of business relationship with him. They have the lists available in two versions... just the NY list (since the trial was in NY, so they could demonstrate proper venue) and then the entire list which is over 30 pages.
https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
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Here is the list
https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
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https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
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https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
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https://paulickreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/GX-715_Redacted-equestology-list.pdf
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Will trainers listed on Fishmans client list be suspended? Full list is on the Paulick report. Some names I recognized.
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Well Harness Guru not sure how worthless but when owners of horses that are listed and live hundreds of miles from the horse farm makes it kind of odd. The trainer stays off the radar, but we know the shell game. Interesting however when Scott Robinson says he "sold to everyone". These weren't the only two vets involved either and we already know the shit involving killing pain and increasing red blood cells for some time. Backside B agree don't check in much, but a real thread gets taken down not much better than the USTA website on anything negative horse racing.
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91.jzail 91.jzail 11.mq 11.mq 11.mq 11.mq 11.mq
What will happen?
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Looks like what they are, a client list! Some might have been billed and had no clue, horse doing great why bitch. You might find out when this goes to trial, This is far from over.
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LEGALLY, THE LIST ARE NOTHING MORE THAN DEFAMATION. UNTIL THERE IS SOMEONE WHO STATE EMPHATICALLY THAT THIS PERSON BOUGHT THIS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS DAY AND TIME--AND THAT SUBSTANCE IS ILLEGAL---THIS COULD BE A LIST FOR VALENTINES DAY!!!!!
THIS TRULY IS NOTHING. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE STIPULATE IF ANYONE WILL IN FACT SPECIFICALLY STATE FACTS REGARDING ILLEGAL PURCHASES --IF IN FACT THEY ARE ILLEGAL.
IF A STATEMENT IS MADE, EVEN IF IT IS TRUE BUT USED IN A MALICIOUS WAY----THIS CAN BE DEFAMATION AND/OR SLANDER. THEREFORE, IN TODAYS LITIGIOUS SOCIETY EVERYONE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL ON WHAT THEY STATE IN WRITING OR VERBALLY AS THIS COULD BE CONSTRUED AS LIBEL/SLANDER.
PEOPLE CAN SUE FOR ANY REASON---THIS IS AMERICA. THEREFORE, MOST PUBLICATIONS ARE GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THESE LISTS AND THE NAMES ON IT!!
THE INTERESTING COMMENT WAS THAT THE PROSECUTORS ARE IN DISCUSSION WITH SEVERAL REGARDING THEIR TESTIMONY TO HELP CONVICT. USUALLY, ONCE THE CASES ARE HEARD THE PROSECUTORS WILL EVALUATE HOW HELPFUL THE VARIOUS INFORMANTS WERE AND HOW INSTRUMENTAL THEY WERE IN OBTAINING THE GUILTY VERDICTS---THAT IS WHY THE FOLKS THAT ARE WITNESSES STILL DO NOT HAVE THEIR FINAL VERDICTS.
SEVERAL OF THE INFORMANTS HAVE BEEN RUMORED AS INFORMANTS IN PRIOR CASES AND THEREFORE THEY MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE INITIAL GATHERING OF INFORMATION AND DATA IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THIS CASE.
THIS IS FACT, THIS HAS HURT EVERY HORSEMAN AND IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE CASE EVER OCCURRED AS SO MANY WHO ARE HONEST AND RACE WILL BE HURT BY THESE VERDICTS.
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Exactly. Worthless list. I can count 10 people who have been dead for years on that list. The list shows everyone who used him as vet & not necessarily his doping drugs. If you had a horse scoped, jugged, ect you're on that list
Meaningless list.
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He liked to help everyone in any way they desired.
Quite a business man.
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The tapes and such evidence will narrow the list..
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Hay and oats days are gone just who got the best drugs.
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Client list is worthless until you get something showing what was purchased by said customer.
NO SHIT? REALLY? WOW? NEVER WOULD OF FIGGERED THAT OUT WITHOUT YOUR HELP
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There are people on this list dead for almost 10 years.
AND DEAD MEN DONT TALK
SO BLAME IT ALL ON THEM
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Any body tell you your a jerk every thing that come out of that stupid mouth of yours.
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Blair Burgess was on list. I just looked this guy up and he is in the Hall of Fame. WTF is that. How did that happen?
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First to trial... Guilty ... Fake Lists... In a Mental Institution now...
Plus, ...His name is Fishberg.
Sounds like he's a patsy to me.
He got played like a fish.
The Heeb Haters set him up, I hear.
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Let me guess. All of Gural's friends on the Fishman list bought aspirin while all of Gural's enemies & those trainers that outcompete Gural's trainers bought PED's.
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The second biggest story of the week, at least as far as harness racing goes, was the industry's lack of alarm about Ross Cohen's testimony in Fishman's trial. Cohen was a harness trainer of little note until he pleaded guilty and then helped the feds incriminate Fishman. As part of his plea deal, Cohen told prosecutors and the jury that he fixed harness races at Yonkers Raceway, in New York, one of the most historic and important tracks in the country. Cohen made the allegations under oath and penalty of perjury and it's hard to imagine that federal prosecutors don't have a reasonable belief that he is telling the truth.
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Let me guess. All of Gural's friends on the Fishman list bought aspirin while all of Gural's enemies & those trainers that outcompete Gural's trainers bought PED's.
YES
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Is meaningless unless they root out those that were ordering actual PED's.
We all heard the testimony that S.Fishman was ordering Class1 designer drugs from designer drug manufacturer-J Fishman.
S. Fishman then sold these to trainers.
Now these designer drugs like BB3 etc-would be drugs that if used/detected-would result in life time suspensions.
eg-If you get caught using EPO at Harrahs-you automatically-get a lifetime ban.
Should be relatively simple to get a meaningful list--of those trainers that ordered these--they are the ones who are a plague on racing-the real cheats-along with Fishman and Co.
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until Ross Cohen names those individuals under oath will I ever bet at YR ever again. He made serious allegations towards the harness industry. Joe Faraldo and other ambassadors of harness should finally let their voices be heard. This is a scar on the face of integrity on the sport of harness racing.
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This is not going anywhere. There's no paper trail. It was probably done verbally
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until Ross Cohen names those individuals under oath will I ever bet at YR ever again. He made serious allegations towards the harness industry. Joe Faraldo and other ambassadors of harness should finally let their voices be heard. This is a scar on the face of integrity on the sport of harness racing.
Why did you start 2 thread regarding the same subject? Once again I'm sure there is no paper trail to prove these allegations.. I'm sure if it was "if" true it was done verbally/cash. I honesty wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Ross's mouth
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Rick Dane pleading guilty today, another one bites the dust.
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Rick Dane pleading guilty today, another one bites the dust.
Where's this posted at?
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Where's this posted at?
He agreed to accept a government plea deal sometime this week..
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That should mean Dane is giving it all up. He most likely will be a Fed's witness for the indicted as well as the unindicted at this point.
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That should mean Dane is giving it all up. He most likely will be a Fed's witness for the indicted as well as the unindicted at this point.
I don’t know what he’s paying in legal fees but I’m assuming unless ur filthy rich u gotta be thinking I can’t afford to keep paying these attorney costs or u just run out of money and just want to put the litigation behind you and move on with your life.. gotta be hard on their families too..
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You can't bring a duck to a cock fight. Well, you can, just don't bet the duck.
I can't see a law office going into court for a Federal trial and not spending 100K on preparing a defense. So, a couple hundred Gs or better to fight a battle with a less than 5% chance of winning is foolish. That is unless, the people he is protecting are funding his defense.
So, almost everyone indicted will come to the conclusion sooner or later, you can't beat the Feds if they are committed to burring you.
The smart guys, make their deal early and get immunity going forward. Do their bid and move on.
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Where's this posted at?
Here ya go
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/dane-takes-plea-deal-will-not-go-to-trial-in-march/
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You can't bring a duck to a cock fight. Well, you can, just don't bet the duck.
I can't see a law office going into court for a Federal trial and not spending 100K on preparing a defense. So, a couple hundred Gs or better to fight a battle with a less than 5% chance of winning is foolish. That is unless, the people he is protecting are funding his defense.
So, almost everyone indicted will come to the conclusion sooner or later, you can't beat the Feds if they are committed to burring you.
The smart guys, make their deal early and get immunity going forward. Do their bid and move on.
It will be interesting to see if any of the deep pocketed owners get added to list and how far that will go.
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They are truly the entity most profiting from these crimes. I agree. It would be interesting. It would surely change the dynamics of the whole business.
I have been advocating for a bonding system for years. Change rarely ever comes without force from a greater authority.
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what will they do with burke?
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Sounds like Dane will be rewarded and welcomed to race the Meadowlands.
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Where are all the people who said they'd all walk. Now dropping like flies, Oakes was real cocky when this started, folded like a cheap suit. Finds out where he will be spending some time this week. Feds don't play games.
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most will be out of business...many cant compete without what has been taken from them
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burke?
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burke?
Do you honestly believe Burke is doping?
Awful spectacular feat if he is. He has horse's all over the place and I don't know how many people working for him to keep such a secret. His owners buy the best and he wins on numbers. jmo
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It does sound far fetched. But, who's owners invested more than Baffert's people?
Whenever you have large amounts of money and human beings in the mix, you will have corruption and cheating.
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Burke races to many in too many places to be doing anything now. Has anyone heard an employee talk about seeing anything. Somebody would have said something by now. I'm not saying they've been all hay and oats forever but ya gotta give them credit they race all over, 1000's of starts and not many positives. He gets one and he will find a scapegoat though. There is no way their jamming like Surick was.
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it costs a fortune to have a lawyer defend against these charges and many of the people indicted may not be able to afford to pay the piper
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You go girl!!
https://paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/adrienne-hall-usta-should-focus-on-harness-racings-real-problem/
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Do you honestly believe Burke is doping?
Awful spectacular feat if he is. He has horse's all over the place and I don't know how many people working for him to keep such a secret. His owners buy the best and he wins on numbers. jmo
You really can't believe that he's such a good trainer that the likes of Allard, Banca, etc. needed to dope horses to just keep up with his talents?
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Ouch. Spank the USTA. 73cv.2 63z.uzi 63z.uzi
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You really can't believe that he's such a good trainer that the likes of Allard, Banca, etc. needed to dope horses to just keep up with his talents?
Hmm, interesting point of view..
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The bettors who got cheated by her ped juicing don't care bout the size of her stable, mental health or however naive she is/was. This lady never evens mentions gamblers once.
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You go girl!!
https://paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/adrienne-hall-usta-should-focus-on-harness-racings-real-problem/
AS I HAVE SAID DOZENS OF TIMES
NEVER TRUST A CUNT, ESPECIALLY A CAUGHT CHEATING CUNT
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Adrienne Hall reply
Many valid points made in this very well written reply.
However a few details seem to be missing here.
1) Nothing mentioned about the damage done to gamblers-the main suppliers of the finances to the Sport --about getting well and truly screwed by Fishman and Co--and Miss Hall.
2) She was in Delaware not getting results from pre racing supplies from Poliseno--so someone told her if you want to win races you need to contact Fishman--obviously the supplier of designer drugs-to beat the system of testing and well and truly screw the gamblers.So she sought out Fishman as her "Vet"--and I have been told Fishman is a terrible Vet--wouldnt use him to look at a dog let alone a horse--he was and simply is--a peddler of drugs.Grasso-the other indicted Vet--really is a Vet and treats horses by attending to them-unlike Fishman. This can be confirmed by the evidence at trial of Miss Hall--Fishman never looked at her horses--just their bloods--so he could use his BB3 etc on them etc. He never physically looked at a horse--as is required by a Vet to sell prescriptiion meds.
3)Miss Hall muddied the water by insinuating that just because she never tested positive-as somehow no proof she was using BB3 etc. She then went on about Epogen not being able to be detected but she would never use that because it can hurt horses--yet she was willing to inject bottles of color coded drugs--not knowing what was in there!! BB3 is Epogen Mimetic--so it results in exactly the same result as if you were to use Epogen-with the biggest difference--it cant be detected at any time as there is no test for it in pre race,post race or out of competition racing. The only way to deal with this--is by the FBI--and by the USADA if they ever get the green light.. However the horse racing Industry keeps fighting the usada and hisa--so status quo remains.
I sympathize with Miss Hall--but no way-should she get or will get--a free pass.
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To get off as she did makes absolutely no sense. The USTA has been promoting a slogan "see it -report it with a phone number" (or something like that) for the purpose of stopping and catching the cheats. Well, SHE SAW IT, said nothing. UNTIL SHE GOT CAUGHT.
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Bond,
Very well said!
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This has nothing to do with the USTA, if it was I'd be hammering them. They did there part. Itś Gural an the NJRC!!!! Why does she still have a license, she admitted she used illegal drugs, period!!!! Where's the state!!! Gural is a fucking idiot, he's done some really good things, but this is just stupid. If anybody else testifies, will they be allowed back? What about the rest?
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Why is she not listed as the trainer of her horses,
Did gural stipulate that Cano must be trainer on paper?
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Adrienne Hall reply
Many valid points made in this very well written reply.
However a few details seem to be missing here.
1) Nothing mentioned about the damage done to gamblers-the main suppliers of the finances to the sport.
That quote is very wrong. The gamblers are meaningless. The main suppliers of the finances to the sport is the slot revenue from the racinos. The gamblers aren’t needed anymore. Most are gone and the few remaining aren’t betting like they did in the past. Way too much drugs and race fixing. People got sick and tired of being screwed.
This cunt cheated and shouldn’t be allowed to race ever again. The same can be said about everyone on Fishman’s list.
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Superfecta. - Miss Hall was racing at the Meadowlands with these Fishman loaded drugs.
Meadowlands has no slot machines or a Casino.
The bettors there should be looked after- not have to have drug induced form referrals to deal with . That’s my point
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Superfecta. - Miss Hall was racing at the Meadowlands with these Fishman loaded drugs.
Meadowlands has no slot machines or a Casino.
The bettors there should be looked after- not have to have drug induced form referrals to deal with . That’s my point
Yes Sir. I absolutely agree with that.
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The following commentary by Adrienne Hall is in response to a letter published in Harness Racing Update from Russell Williams, president of the United States Trotting Association, defending the USTA's revocation of Hall's membership in the organization following her testimony in the federal trial of Seth Fishman, who was convicted of drug adulteration and misbranding.
In response to his comments about me in the HRU, I have the following to say:
Russell Williams is veering from the facts and being disingenuous regarding the USTA's true motives. The USTA did not make the decision to take my membership based on my testimony. T.C. Lane, CEO of the USTA, acknowledged to my attorney that it was done prior to my transcript being available and occurred after reading the one initial media report. Unlike the New Jersey Racing Commission, which waited to receive context from me and discuss the matter, the USTA was looking for a quick press release and nothing more when they revoked my membership. I've not held back once from speaking with any organization looking to learn more of the facts. The USTA's action and silence toward me feels as if it is a “punish the source” mentality instead of about cleaning up the game.
I did not have a “history” of using Performance Enhancing Drugs. In fact, this was my very first year in the harness business. If Williams thinks I walked into the barn knowing anything about drugs or pre-racing, guess again. He should be more concerned and utterly embarrassed that in the backyard of the USTA headquarters, one of the biggest dealers of illegal drugs was allowed free rein of the Ohio horses and trainers for years before the Feds stepped in to stop him.
If anyone at his organization were doing their job, the government, 5 Stones, Jockey Club and Jeff Gural would not have had to do it for them. No matter how many times he wants to state as fact that I reached out to Fishman solely to acquire PEDs, it doesn't mean it is true. Testimony and text messages put into evidence clearly show that I innocently reached out to Fishman to perform a lameness exam and to be my horses' primary vet in Florida. Other text messages brought in as evidence between Fishman and Gianelli show them discussing me as being “not very knowledgeable.” I was naïve.
In my testimony I did say that it was my understanding that had I been caught administering anything to my horses, I could potentially be in big trouble. What Russell was not privy to were the conversations that I had with the Feds and the FBI about this and they were hopeful that any governing body of a sport would be inclined to look more at the positives from my cooperation as opposed to focusing solely on the admissions I made.
Russell mentions BB3, TB7, etc..as some form of “gotcha” but can he tell me what they are? Has anyone had a positive test for these things? I did not want Epogen or to hurt my horses and I made that abundantly clear. What may be the biggest irony here is that while these drugs are untestable on race day, and he uses them as examples of my cheating, Williams and the USTA have fought HISA and its desire to implement comprehensive out-of competition testing that might very well have an impact on these substances' ability to be used; all while simultaneously touting how clean the industry's race day testing results are as a way to laughably argue against the need for HISA.
While what I did was wrong and I owned up to it despite never being indicted and working for two years with the Feds with no guarantees of the outcome, the USTA and Russell Williams' response to the criminal cases and my situation only goes to show where the real problem in harness racing lay.
Whether it be the USTA turning a blind eye to the thousands of horses who are ending up in kill pens, moving to eliminate Freezebrands to make the horses unidentifiable, or fighting Congress, WHOA, HISA, The Jockey Club, Breeders' Cup, Jeff Gural and USADA's efforts to clean up the sport, their arrogance and disregard for the issues in racing is telling. An organization that ignores their own board member, Joe Faraldo's, ties to indicted trainers, ignores the Fishman client list that became public recently, pushes back on everyone from Congress to aftercare entities while attacking a trainer with two horses in her care as the problem, is either arrogant, clueless, crooked, a part of the bigger problem, or probably all of the above.
The truth is, my situation is meaningless in the scope of the problems in racing, but they are using it to take the heat off of themselves and to appease the mob on social media (who before my testimony had them in their crosshairs). For the president of any organization seeking credibility to deem my admitted mental health struggles during this situation as “entertaining” pretty much says it all. It's at best a diversion, a redirect, and childish while at the same time making clear he does not have the horses, industry or industry participants' best interests at heart.
I made a mistake. I owned up to that mistake. I did so willingly and would do it again even now knowing that it has resulted in what is probably my last race in the Standardbred industry. What I won't own or accept is the fact that a monopolistic entity and its leadership that is solely interested in protecting their own personal interests is going to set the narrative and lie their way towards making the public believe they give a damn.
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WHERE I COME FROM MS. A HALL
IS BETTER KNOWN AS AN A HOLE
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back in the day if we would find out there was rats in the barn we would set out some poisonous cheez and BAM, there were no more rats, I mean just saying if you get my drift
never knew you could use a duffel bag to catch rats
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The new poster child for integrity, an admitted juicer. She was a juicer BEFORE Fishman, she switched to Fishman, because she wasn't getting enough results. She did it at Mr Integrity's track, the crown jewel of harness racing. You really can't make this shit up. It's great to sit back and watch the circular firing squad, the new poster child has gone after everybody except Mr. Integrity. Next he'll be giving her horses to train. She hasn't made a lot of friends. Wonder if she has applied for a NYRC or PHRC this year? Sorry she has mental issues over this but she did it to herself. She made the contacts they didn't call her.
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Did he get sentenced yet? Thought it was the 17th.
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Did he get sentenced yet? Thought it was the 17th.
It should be on the USTA, I’ll check
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New York racing two bills to decouple any one know anything
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two bills know any one decouple anything to New York racing
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Government Claims Harness PED Case Involves 30 Tracks
By Dick Downey
Yesterday, 5:56 PM
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The government charges a lengthy list of victims and jurisdictions of alleged criminal activity by five people indicted in New York federal court for conspiracy to adulterate and misbrand performance-enhancing drugs used in harness racing.
The indictment, which has been superseded four times, lists one count each against Dr. Louis Grasso, a veterinarian; Donato Poliseno, owner of a Delaware veterinary supply business; and harness trainers Rene Allard, Richard Banca, and Thomas Guido III.
McKinzie
While recently denying a motion to dismiss the indictment, U.S. District Judge P. Kevin Castel ordered government prosecutors to provide defense counsel a Bill of Particulars. The scope of the particulars, released on Monday by the U. S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, covers a wide swath.
Among victims named as objects of the conspiracy in the particulars are the betting public, the Food and Drug Administration, the Drug Enforcement Agency, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Canada Border Services Agency, and the United States Trotting Association.
From there, the document lists as victims 30 racetracks from Batavia Downs to Harrah's Philadelphia to Northfield Park to Red Mile to Tioga Downs to Yonkers Raceway and all points between; and 19 state and provincial racing and/or gaming commissions located in Ontario (two of them), the Atlantic Provinces of Canada, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Virginia.
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The particulars also show as victims 40 pharmacies in Alabama, Connecticut, Idaho, Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Texas as places where Allard, Grasso, and Poliseno placed, attempted or intended to place, or caused to be placed prescriptions related to their alleged activities.
In addition, 51 enforcement and regulatory agencies in the areas of veterinary and public health and pharmacy practice are victims, according to the particulars. They're located in Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.
According to court records, it's alleged that Grasso while licensed in New Jersey and New York wrote prescriptions for thousands of units of PEDs and that he from at least 2017 to 2020 manufactured and distributed customized PEDs and supplied them to trainers across the United States.
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I't ain't gonna stop, dominos keep falling. Interesting to see the rest go down, who else has flipped. Like a train wreck, ya can't look away.
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Good one
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one day the politicians will take away lots of the money, they only question is when, hopefully not for a few years
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one day the politicians will take away lots of the money, they only question is when, hopefully not for a few years
Fuck the politicians !!!
We lose our freedom and we should suffer and say we are protecting Ukraine's freedom when the real interest is Hillary, Barack, Joe and Son and other corrupt degenerates investments in Ukraine.
Go Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT SOMEONE HAS IN FACT PRESENTED EVIDENCE AGAINST MANY IN THE SPORT AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. IT LOOKS AS THOUGH STATES MAY GET INVOLVED AS WELL.
JUST NEED TO SEE THE NAMES THAT DROPPED OFF THE INITIAL INDICTMENT TO FIND OUT THE LEADERS IN THIS AS IT LOOKS LIKE THE REST OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE INDICTED AND OR CHARGED.
INTERESTING AS STATES MOVE TO DECOUPLE. IT WILL ALSO BE INTERESTING TOP SEE THE MAMES OF THE OTHER FOLKS IN THE OTHER 30 STATES!!!! WOW!!! FAR REACHING!!!
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NEW YORK RACING WILL BE UNDER FIRE SINCE THIS LATEST BIT OF NEWS ON ADDITIONAL PEDS IN 30 STATES.
EVERY STATE AND CASINO WILL NOW ISE THIS AS A BASIS TO DECOUPLE. BAD THINGS ON THE HORIZON FOLKS!
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one day the politicians will take away lots of the money, they only question is when, hopefully not for a few years
ACTUALLY, THE SOONER THE BETTER. GET RID OF THIS CANCER KNOWN AS HARNESS RACING
USE THE MONEY SAVED, FOR INNER CITY HEALTH CARE IN POVERTY STRICKEN AREAS
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NYS Gaming Commission seeking further info on client list..
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/new-york-commission-asking-for-additional-information-from-seth-fishmans-clients/
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Fuck the politicians !!!
We lose our freedom and we should suffer and say we are protecting Ukraine's freedom when the real interest is Hillary, Barack, Joe and Son and other corrupt degenerates investments in Ukraine.
Go Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You #1 Ignorant Jew of the Week.
Congratulations
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http://ustrottingnews.com/usta-30-racetracks-named-as-objects-of-conspiracy-in-new-york-federal-court-indictment/
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https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256990/government-claims-harness-ped-case-involves-30-tracks
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who's on the list from Ohio and Michigan?
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They don't have to be on the list. Whoever is talking could have given other names. 30 tracks, I don't think it all came directly from Fishman. Knowing horsemen, as you all know do. I'm sure there were some middle men at the smaller tracks. This is still far from over.
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They don't have to be on the list. Whoever is talking could have given other names. 30 tracks, I don't think it all came directly from Fishman. Knowing horsemen, as you all know do. I'm sure there were some middle men at the smaller tracks.
This is still far from over.
What's not far from over is the fact you're still a fucking idiot.
You think the 30 named tracks are under suspicion of wrongdoing and part of the criminal conspiracy.
They are, in fact, named as victims along with the betting public and dozens of regulatory agencies, both state and federal.
Please stfu.
Thanks
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What's not far from over is the fact you're still a fucking idiot.
You think the 30 named tracks are under suspicion of wrongdoing and part of the criminal conspiracy.
They are, in fact, named as victims along with the betting public and dozens of regulatory agencies, both state and federal.
Please stfu.
Thanks
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What's not far from over is the fact you're still a fucking idiot.
You think the 30 named tracks are under suspicion of wrongdoing and part of the criminal conspiracy.
They are, in fact, named as victims along with the betting public and dozens of regulatory agencies, both state and federal.
Please stfu.
Thanks
tmbz1
Now the question is after the guilty verdict in this leg of the case would there be precedent for the victims to bring suits against the guilty parties?
Could tracks, regulators and more importantly gamblers seek restitution?
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Hey moron, I never said the tracks were involved. What I said is how 30 tracks, 30 separate race tracks, they know about at least one trainer that is part of this investigation, that means how wide spread it is. All this didn't come from Fishman!!
I read this as coming from the Grasso, Pollicino etc. part of the investigation, which looks like the net will be lot wider spread than anybody thought.
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What's not far from over is the fact you're still a fucking idiot.
You think the 30 named tracks are under suspicion of wrongdoing and part of the criminal conspiracy.
They are, in fact, named as victims along with the betting public and dozens of regulatory agencies, both state and federal.
Please stfu.
Thanks
The tracks were victimes, that I do not understand
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YES. THE TRACKS ARE DEFINITE VICTIMS ACCORDING TO LAW. FURTHER, EVERY OWNER AND TRAINER AND DRIVER WHOWAS IN ANY RACE THAT THERE WAS A POSITIVE TEST IS A VICTIM AND A CLASS ACTION CASE CAN BE FILED AGAINST THE TRAINER, DRIVER AND OWNERS OF THE HORSE THAT TESTED POSITIVE.
THE LAW IS "KNOWINGLY AND UNKNOWINGLY" ----THEREFORE, YOU ARE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO KNOW ABOUT THE CRIME IF YOU INDIRECTLY PARTICIPATE IN A FRAUD. IN FEDERAL---THE OWNER, TRAINER AND DRIVER COULD BE CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT A FELONY EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT AWARE A CRIME WAS BEING EXECUTED. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY IN PRISION THAT WERE NOT AWARE THEY EVEN BROKE THE LAW. THE "UNKOWN!"
TRUTHFULLY, SOONER OR LATE SOMEONE WILL TAKE THIS THE CIVILIAN ROUTE AND SET A PRECEDENT--THEN LOOK OUT IN THE COURT SYSTEM!!!! THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GATER THE FACTS AND FIGURES AND TO DEVELOP A PLAN-----UNTIL THIS IS SETTLED THERE IS MORE BEHIND THE SCENES INFO BEING INVESTIGATED AND SUBMITTED.
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counselor:
In today's world, suing is a common word. Reading what you just stated, what is to keep a law firm to start the suit like they are doing with weed killer and baby powder. millions of people used these products. Some people already plead guilty. Are you saying that all the tracks that these people raced at can be sued? What about the people that took plea deals?
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YES. THE TRACKS ARE DEFINITE VICTIMS ACCORDING TO LAW. FURTHER, EVERY OWNER AND TRAINER AND DRIVER WHOWAS IN ANY RACE THAT THERE WAS A POSITIVE TEST IS A VICTIM AND A CLASS ACTION CASE CAN BE FILED AGAINST THE TRAINER, DRIVER AND OWNERS OF THE HORSE THAT TESTED POSITIVE.
THE LAW IS "KNOWINGLY AND UNKNOWINGLY" ----THEREFORE, YOU ARE NOT EVEN REQUIRED TO KNOW ABOUT THE CRIME IF YOU INDIRECTLY PARTICIPATE IN A FRAUD. IN FEDERAL---THE OWNER, TRAINER AND DRIVER COULD BE CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT A FELONY EVEN IF THEY WERE NOT AWARE A CRIME WAS BEING EXECUTED. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY IN PRISION THAT WERE NOT AWARE THEY EVEN BROKE THE LAW. THE "UNKOWN!"
TRUTHFULLY, SOONER OR LATE SOMEONE WILL TAKE THIS THE CIVILIAN ROUTE AND SET A PRECEDENT--THEN LOOK OUT IN THE COURT SYSTEM!!!! THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GATER THE FACTS AND FIGURES AND TO DEVELOP A PLAN-----UNTIL THIS IS SETTLED THERE IS MORE BEHIND THE SCENES INFO BEING INVESTIGATED AND SUBMITTED.
Such a silly post. Why not add grooms & blacksmith & tackshop owner & etc etc etc.
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SILLY? I THINK NOT. SERIOUSLY, THIS IS AMERICA. HOW MANY TIMES I SAW THAT SO AND SO HAD A POSITIVE TEST AND CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A RACE AND A BETTOR MAY HAVE LOST A LARGE SUPER HIGH 5 OT A LARGE TRIFECTA. MAYBE THE TRACK LOST MONEY OR WORSE ----CREDIBILITY.
EVERYONE NAMED IN THIS CASE COULD BE BROUGHT TO THEIR KNEES IN CIVIL COURT. EVERY ONE. LITIGATION HAPPENS EVERYDAY IN BUSINESS---EVERY DAY. MAYBE HEARSAY TO YOU BUT FACTS TO THE EDUCATED BUSINESS MAN. TODAY LITIGATION IS A WAY TO PROFIT.
IT COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEFEND A CASE AND EVEN IF YOU WIN YOU LOSE. WOULD YOU SETTLE A CASE THAT IS GOING TO COST YOU $400,000 TO DEFEND FOR $200,000 JUST TO GET RID OF THE LEGAL FEES????? TRUTHFULLY, HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE MANY TIMES OVER. MANY CLIENTS ARE ADVISED TO SETTLE AND PAY A HEALTHY SETTLEMENT TO CUT LEGAL FEES AND ELIMINATE THE RISK OF A LOSS.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE PARTICIPANTS WHO WERE INDICTED COULD IN FACT BE NAMED IN A CIVIL CASE OR A CLASS ACTION CASE AND BE BROUGHT TO THEIR KNEES. THERE ARE MANY "AMBULANCE CHASERS' THAT WOULD TAKE THIS CASE IN ONE MINUTE.
I COULD CARE LESS WHAT CLASS OF CASE IT IS . THINK ABOUT A SLIP AND FALL CASE----DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT IT AND SPEND $250,000 IN NEW YORK OR PAY $100,000 TO MAKE IT GO AWAY.
THIS IS AMERICA---EVERYONE SUES EVERYONE AND IT IS A WAY OF BUSINESS. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT!!
VICTIMS ARE EVERYWHERE INCLUDING THE SPOUSES!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
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SILLY? I THINK NOT. SERIOUSLY, THIS IS AMERICA. HOW MANY TIMES I SAW THAT SO AND SO HAD A POSITIVE TEST AND CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A RACE AND A BETTOR MAY HAVE LOST A LARGE SUPER HIGH 5 OT A LARGE TRIFECTA. MAYBE THE TRACK LOST MONEY OR WORSE ----CREDIBILITY.
EVERYONE NAMED IN THIS CASE COULD BE BROUGHT TO THEIR KNEES IN CIVIL COURT. EVERY ONE. LITIGATION HAPPENS EVERYDAY IN BUSINESS---EVERY DAY. MAYBE HEARSAY TO YOU BUT FACTS TO THE EDUCATED BUSINESS MAN. TODAY LITIGATION IS A WAY TO PROFIT.
IT COST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO DEFEND A CASE AND EVEN IF YOU WIN YOU LOSE. WOULD YOU SETTLE A CASE THAT IS GOING TO COST YOU $400,000 TO DEFEND FOR $200,000 JUST TO GET RID OF THE LEGAL FEES????? TRUTHFULLY, HAPPENS EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE MANY TIMES OVER. MANY CLIENTS ARE ADVISED TO SETTLE AND PAY A HEALTHY SETTLEMENT TO CUT LEGAL FEES AND ELIMINATE THE RISK OF A LOSS.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE PARTICIPANTS WHO WERE INDICTED COULD IN FACT BE NAMED IN A CIVIL CASE OR A CLASS ACTION CASE AND BE BROUGHT TO THEIR KNEES. THERE ARE MANY "AMBULANCE CHASERS' THAT WOULD TAKE THIS CASE IN ONE MINUTE.
I COULD CARE LESS WHAT CLASS OF CASE IT IS . THINK ABOUT A SLIP AND FALL CASE----DO YOU WANT TO FIGHT IT AND SPEND $250,000 IN NEW YORK OR PAY $100,000 TO MAKE IT GO AWAY.
THIS IS AMERICA---EVERYONE SUES EVERYONE AND IT IS A WAY OF BUSINESS. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT!!
VICTIMS ARE EVERYWHERE INCLUDING THE SPOUSES!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
Just more silly. If what you esouse was so easy & obvious it would have happened many times over for many years by now. Give up with your dramatics on this site & go write a fantasy novel.
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Just more silly. If what you esouse was so easy & obvious it would have happened many times over for many years by now. Give up with your dramatics on this site & go write a fantasy novel.
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Counselor's Gateway 1990's computer has been stuck on CAPS LOCK for two decades.
He's a harness retard.
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JUST AS A SIDENOTE, THERE ARE SEVERAL VERY POWERFUL, WEALTHY OWNERS THAT MADE THEIR MONEY THAT THEY USE IN THIS BUSINESS FROM WINNING OR SETTLING LAWSUITS!!!!!
MIGHT BE FUNNY TO SOME BUT HAPPENS EVERY DAY!!
IF THE INDICTED WORKED A PLEA DEAL--THAT MEANS NOTHING IN THE LEGAL WORLD---I MEAN NOTHING. CIVIL IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL AS WELL AS THE STATES. EACH AND EVERY STATE THAT IS TRULY A VICTIM CAN BRING CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST EVERYONE NAMED IN THE ORIGINAL INDICTMENT WHETHER THEY WERE A FEDERAL WITNESS OR NOT.
THE STATES AND FEDERAL ARE TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS AND TRUTHFULLY THE SENTENCES COULD BE CONCURRENT OR STACKED DEPENDING ON THE PROSECUTOR AND THEIR GOALS WITH THE CASE.
PEOPLE HAVE NOT DONE IT PRIOR AS THEY DID NOT CARE. I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS IN THIS CASE DO CARE AND THERE IS MORE TO COME.
WE SHALL SEE!!!!
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This would be an ideal opportunity for the State of New York to levy criminal charges against a few. Considering the well orchestrated attack on racing and it's funding currently happening in the Legislature and other groups.
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I AGREE 100% WITH YOU!! CHANGES TO THIS INDUSTRY HAVE AND ARE OCCURRING VERY QUICKLY. YOU MAY NOT SEE IT BUT IT IS VERY RAPID. SOMETIMES FOLKS ARE BLINDED BY HOPIUM.
LOOK AT THE RECENT COMBATIVE COMMENTS FROM ME WILLIAMS AND MR. GURAL ON THE USTA WEBSITE. SEVERAL YEARS BACK THESE FOLKS WERE WORKING TOGETHER TO SAVE THE MEADOWLANDS AND NOW---FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ARE INVOLVED---PRIVATE DECISIONS ON WHO RACES AND WHO DOES NOT---THE DENOUCING PUBLICLY OF THE USTA---DECOUPLING----STATES NOW REDIRECTING HORSE FUNDING TO OTHER PROGRAMS AS IS OCCURRING IN PENNSYLVANIA---EVEN OHIO AND THE DEMISE OF SCIOTA. TRULY, EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THIS AND BE PREPARED.
YEARS AGO, THE USTA MAD DECISIONS ON WHO COULD AND WHO COULD NOT RACE----NOW THE STATE ARE USING THE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES TO DETERMINE WHO CAN RACE---FURTHER, MR. GURAL NOW OWNS SEVERAL TRACKS (WITH THE HELP OF STATES AND HORSEMAN) BUT DOES IN FACT HAVE THE SOLE AUTHORITY OF EXCLUSION!! YES, MR. GURAL CAN LEGALLY EXCLUDE ANYONE FOR ANY REASON AND LET ANYONE RACE THAT HE CHOSES TO DO SO. THERE IS NO CASE IN ANY COURT THAT WILL CHANGE MR. GURALS RIGHTS IN THAT REGARD.
THIS INDUSTRY FAILED MISERABLY WHEN IT HANDED OUT MILLIONS TO CERTAIN STABLES AND FAILED TO REINVEST IN THEIR PRODUCT AND PROTECTING THEIR PRODUCT. EVERYONE HAD THE HAND OUT TO GRAB ALL THAT THEY COULD WITHOUT REALIZING THAT FUNDING AND MANAGMENT WAS REQUIRED IN THE INDUSTRY TO PROMOTE AND PROTECT RACES AND TO EDUCATE AND GROW THE BETTING PUBLIC. WHO RUNS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR ENTITY AND LETS 100% OF THE REVENUE PASS THRU TO END USERS AS THIS INDUSTRY HAS???? NO ONE. BUSINESS SCHOOL 101!!!!! FOOLS WERE IN CHARGE AND DIRECTED THE CASH FLOW TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS AND NOW THE INDUSTRY IS IN TROUBLE.
WHO IS THE HIGHEST PAID PERSON IN THE NFL? GUESS? THE PLAYERS? THE TEAM OWNERS? OR, THEIR LEADER----MR. GOODELL? THINK ABOUT IT---NO LEADERSHIP ---THE STATE OF RACING IS WANDERING AIMLESSLY THRU TIME WITHOUT LEADERSHIP!!!! THERE IS ZERO LEADERSHIP!!
THE VARIOUS STATES AND ASSOCIATIONS DO NOT COORDINATE AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER DUE TO LACK OF LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP---WE HAVE MANY SMALL GROUPS WITHOUT AUTHORITY OR CLOUT!! JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN INSTEAD OF THE ENTIRE SPORT!!!
THE INDUSTRY IS SO CHANGED OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS. THE COUNTRY HAS SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS THAT WILL NOT LET CATTLE, SHEEP AND CHICKENS TO BE PROCESSED LET ALONE HORSE BEING ABUSED BY CERTAIN GROUPS USING ILLEGAL DRUGS!!! THE POLITICAL FORCES NOW HAVE SUPPORT TO DECOUPLE THE INDUSTRY AND REDIRECT THE REVENUE TO OTHER SPECIAL NEEDS GROUPS!!!!
I HOPE THIS HELPS SOME UNDERSTAND THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT ALL OF RACING FACES!! I CAN WRITE A BOOK ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED V WHAT SHOULD OF HAPPENED BUT WE ALL KNOW HISTORY IS HISTORY AND WE CANNOT CHANGE IT!!! WE CAN ONLY INFLUENCE THE FUTURE AND QUITE FRANKLY WE ARE NOW IN THE 10TH ROUND OF A HEAVY WEIGHT FIGHT AND WE HAVE NOW LOST THE FIRST 10 ROUNDS AND TRUTHFULLY, ONLY A KNOCKOUT CAN SAVE THE SPORT AS WE KNOW IT AND WHO WILL DELIVER THE KNOCKOUT PUNCH THAT IS REQUIRED FROM SUCH A FRAGMENTED INDUSTRY WITHOUT LEADERSHIP??????
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So True
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I AGREE 100% WITH YOU!! CHANGES TO THIS INDUSTRY HAVE AND ARE OCCURRING VERY QUICKLY. YOU MAY NOT SEE IT BUT IT IS VERY RAPID. SOMETIMES FOLKS ARE BLINDED BY HOPIUM.
LOOK AT THE RECENT COMBATIVE COMMENTS FROM ME WILLIAMS AND MR. GURAL ON THE USTA WEBSITE. SEVERAL YEARS BACK THESE FOLKS WERE WORKING TOGETHER TO SAVE THE MEADOWLANDS AND NOW---FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ARE INVOLVED---PRIVATE DECISIONS ON WHO RACES AND WHO DOES NOT---THE DENOUCING PUBLICLY OF THE USTA---DECOUPLING----STATES NOW REDIRECTING HORSE FUNDING TO OTHER PROGRAMS AS IS OCCURRING IN PENNSYLVANIA---EVEN OHIO AND THE DEMISE OF SCIOTA. TRULY, EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THIS AND BE PREPARED.
YEARS AGO, THE USTA MAD DECISIONS ON WHO COULD AND WHO COULD NOT RACE----NOW THE STATE ARE USING THE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES TO DETERMINE WHO CAN RACE---FURTHER, MR. GURAL NOW OWNS SEVERAL TRACKS (WITH THE HELP OF STATES AND HORSEMAN) BUT DOES IN FACT HAVE THE SOLE AUTHORITY OF EXCLUSION!! YES, MR. GURAL CAN LEGALLY EXCLUDE ANYONE FOR ANY REASON AND LET ANYONE RACE THAT HE CHOSES TO DO SO. THERE IS NO CASE IN ANY COURT THAT WILL CHANGE MR. GURALS RIGHTS IN THAT REGARD.
THIS INDUSTRY FAILED MISERABLY WHEN IT HANDED OUT MILLIONS TO CERTAIN STABLES AND FAILED TO REINVEST IN THEIR PRODUCT AND PROTECTING THEIR PRODUCT. EVERYONE HAD THE HAND OUT TO GRAB ALL THAT THEY COULD WITHOUT REALIZING THAT FUNDING AND MANAGMENT WAS REQUIRED IN THE INDUSTRY TO PROMOTE AND PROTECT RACES AND TO EDUCATE AND GROW THE BETTING PUBLIC. WHO RUNS A MULTI BILLION DOLLAR ENTITY AND LETS 100% OF THE REVENUE PASS THRU TO END USERS AS THIS INDUSTRY HAS???? NO ONE. BUSINESS SCHOOL 101!!!!! FOOLS WERE IN CHARGE AND DIRECTED THE CASH FLOW TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS AND NOW THE INDUSTRY IS IN TROUBLE.
WHO IS THE HIGHEST PAID PERSON IN THE NFL? GUESS? THE PLAYERS? THE TEAM OWNERS? OR, THEIR LEADER----MR. GOODELL? THINK ABOUT IT---NO LEADERSHIP ---THE STATE OF RACING IS WANDERING AIMLESSLY THRU TIME WITHOUT LEADERSHIP!!!! THERE IS ZERO LEADERSHIP!!
THE VARIOUS STATES AND ASSOCIATIONS DO NOT COORDINATE AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER DUE TO LACK OF LEADERSHIP AT THE TOP---WE HAVE MANY SMALL GROUPS WITHOUT AUTHORITY OR CLOUT!! JUST PEOPLE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN INSTEAD OF THE ENTIRE SPORT!!!
THE INDUSTRY IS SO CHANGED OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS. THE COUNTRY HAS SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS THAT WILL NOT LET CATTLE, SHEEP AND CHICKENS TO BE PROCESSED LET ALONE HORSE BEING ABUSED BY CERTAIN GROUPS USING ILLEGAL DRUGS!!! THE POLITICAL FORCES NOW HAVE SUPPORT TO DECOUPLE THE INDUSTRY AND REDIRECT THE REVENUE TO OTHER SPECIAL NEEDS GROUPS!!!!
I HOPE THIS HELPS SOME UNDERSTAND THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT ALL OF RACING FACES!! I can write a bookON WHAT HAS HAPPENED V WHAT SHOULD OF HAPPENED BUT WE ALL KNOW HISTORY IS HISTORY AND WE CANNOT CHANGE IT!!! WE CAN ONLY INFLUENCE THE FUTURE AND QUITE FRANKLY WE ARE NOW IN THE 10TH ROUND OF A HEAVY WEIGHT FIGHT AND WE HAVE NOW LOST THE FIRST 10 ROUNDS AND TRUTHFULLY, ONLY A KNOCKOUT CAN SAVE THE SPORT AS WE KNOW IT AND WHO WILL DELIVER THE KNOCKOUT PUNCH THAT IS REQUIRED FROM SUCH A FRAGMENTED INDUSTRY WITHOUT LEADERSHIP??????
Please go write that book as I suggested. With all that knowledge & all the answers you possess I would think you have better things to do than writing to the 20 people that read this forum. This industry has been around for decades & will be here long after you are gone. (even not knowing your age).
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SURVIVAL IS A MECHANISN THAT ALLOWS FOR DENIAL!!!! SO MANY ARE I COMPLETE DENIAL AS THE WORLD CHANGES.
WHERE WAS AMAZON TEN YEARS AGO? WHAT ABOUT BITCOIN AT .06 CENTS /UNIT IN 2012!! WHAT AOUT ELECTRIC CARS ---NOW GM EVEN SAY IT WILL BE 100% ELECTRIC BEFORE 2035!! TESLA FORCED OTHERS TO CHANGE. LOOK AT THE NORTH POLE. WHERE DO THE POLAR BEARS FEED? CHANGE, YOUNG MAN. IF YOU DO NOT SEE IT YOU ARE BLIND.
HARNESS RACING MAY SURVIVE BUT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AS IT WAS WITH STANLEY DANCER, BILLY HAUGHTON AND DELVIN MILLER!!! WHAT ABOUT THE CROWDS? THE HUGE RACES --THE JUG RACES AND CROWDS!! LEXINGTON!!! 25,000 FOALS PER YEAR VS. 5,000!
DOES ANYONE THINK THAT SO MANY WOULD BE INDICTED AND SENT TO PRISON FOR DOPING? THIS IS FAR FROM OVER. NOT EVER CLOSE.
MR. WILLIAMS AND MR. GURAL SLUGGING OUT AT EACH OTHER!!! BITCOIN AT $60,000!!!
SIT DOWN AND BE STUBBORN AND STATE THERE IS NOT CLIMATE CHANGE -----JUST LIKE YOU SAY THE SPORT WILL BE AROUND LONG AFTER I AM GONE!!! TRUTHFULLY, THE DINOSAURS SAID THE SAME THING!!
I FIND MYSELF RUNNING AWAY EVERY NIGHT FROM THE PREHISTORIC ANIMALS HERE IN CALIFORNIA IN THE LA BREA TAR PITS!!!
NO ONE CAN STOP CHANGE!! NO ONE!! THE WORLD HAS CHANGED FASTER AND MORE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAN IN THE LAST 100!!!!
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Supposed to be sentenced today .. Facing up to 3 years plus fines ..
Seems too little considering all the poor abused horses and cheating the betting public , horseman and tracks.. Thoughts ?
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THIS INDIVIDUAL RECENTLY CHANGED HIS PLEA FROM NOT GUILTY TO GUILTY AND THEREFORE THE PROSECUTORS WILL REQUEST A LOWER SENTENCE THAN THE MAX DUE TO HIS COOPERATION THAT I AM SURE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT MAY OF REQUIRED TO FURTHER CONVICT OR TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL INDICTMENTS AS NECESSARY.
THEREFORE, IF 3 YEARS WAS HIS MAX SENTENCE I WOULD EXPECT 21 MONTHS AND HE WOULD SERVE 18. IT IS POSSIBLE THE JUDGE VALUES HIS COOPERATION EVEN MORE---THEN, THE JUDGE COULD MAKE IT LOWER OR HIGHER---IF MORE THAN TWO DEVIATES THEN THE JUDGE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO WRITE A MEMO ON WHY HE DEVIATED FROM THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES. WITH 1 DEVIATION THERE IS NO MEMO REQUIRED WHICH ENABLES JUDGES TO USE THEIR DISCRETION ON SENTENCING.
THOSE WHO COOPERATE FIRST TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ARE REMOVED FROM THE SUPERSEDEAS AND NOT EVEN PURSUED IN THE INDICTMENT AS NOTED IN THIS CASE. THOSE MAY NEVER RACE LEGALLY AGAIN BUT SOME TRACKS MAY ACCEPT THEM TO RACE AS IT IS THEIR RIGHT TO ACCEPT OR DENY ENTRIES WITH OR WITHOUT A LICENSE.
IN THIS CASE SEVERAL ROLLED EARLY AND THEIR NAMES ARE NEVER MENTIONED ANYWHERE BUT THEY STILL COMMITTED THE CRIMES BUT WERE NOT PROSECUTED!!
QUESTION, IN YOUR OPINION SHOULD THESE FOLKS BE PERMITTED TO RACE ? IN ESSENCE THEY DID EXACTLY THE SAME AS OTHERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE INCARCERATED---BUT, THEY WERE NOT PROSECUTED DUE TO THEIR COOPERATION. TRUTHFULLY, THERE IS NO RIGHT AND NO WRONG. JUST OPINION.
FURTHER, THESE FOLKS WILL BE REQUIRED TO CONTINUE TO BE AN INFORMANT AS PART OF THEIR PLEA DEAL THAT IS MOST LIKELY SEALED---THEREFORE, ANYONE NEAR AND AROUND WILL BE UNDER THE MICROSCOPE AS THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO REPORT ANY WRONG DOING.
BE SAFE!
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QUESTION, IN YOUR OPINION SHOULD THESE FOLKS BE PERMITTED TO RACE ? IN ESSENCE THEY DID EXACTLY THE SAME AS OTHERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE INCARCERATED---BUT, THEY WERE NOT PROSECUTED DUE TO THEIR COOPERATION. TRUTHFULLY, THERE IS NO RIGHT AND NO WRONG. JUST OPINION.
No I don’t believe he or anyone else found guilty or anyone who
admitted to using PED’s ( even if not prosecuted) should ever be licensed to race again.. Unfortunately these guys including Mr Oakes have family members and other beards they can hide behind.. I don’t know the answer to that unfortunately..
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It's sucks to be him but I heard there are actually some parts of being in prison. 91.jzail
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It's sucks to be him but I heard there are actually some parts of being in prison. 91.jzail
3 meals a day, access to a library, free healthcare, watching sports with the boys without ur wife nagging and if you enjoy showering with a bunch of other dudes, I guess one can see the positives.. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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The counselor is a fucking clown 73cv.2
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SURVIVAL IS A MECHANISN THAT ALLOWS FOR DENIAL!!!! SO MANY ARE I COMPLETE DENIAL AS THE WORLD CHANGES.
WHERE WAS AMAZON TEN YEARS AGO? WHAT ABOUT BITCOIN AT .06 CENTS /UNIT IN 2012!! WHAT AOUT ELECTRIC CARS ---NOW GM EVEN SAY IT WILL BE 100% ELECTRIC BEFORE 2035!! TESLA FORCED OTHERS TO CHANGE. LOOK AT THE NORTH POLE. WHERE DO THE POLAR BEARS FEED? CHANGE, YOUNG MAN. IF YOU DO NOT SEE IT YOU ARE BLIND.
HARNESS RACING MAY SURVIVE BUT WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AS IT WAS WITH STANLEY DANCER, BILLY HAUGHTON AND DELVIN MILLER!!! WHAT ABOUT THE CROWDS? THE HUGE RACES --THE JUG RACES AND CROWDS!! LEXINGTON!!! 25,000 FOALS PER YEAR VS. 5,000!
DOES ANYONE THINK THAT SO MANY WOULD BE INDICTED AND SENT TO PRISON FOR DOPING? THIS IS FAR FROM OVER. NOT EVER CLOSE.
MR. WILLIAMS AND MR. GURAL SLUGGING OUT AT EACH OTHER!!! BITCOIN AT $60,000!!!
SIT DOWN AND BE STUBBORN AND STATE THERE IS NOT CLIMATE CHANGE -----JUST LIKE YOU SAY THE SPORT WILL BE AROUND LONG AFTER I AM GONE!!! TRUTHFULLY, THE DINOSAURS SAID THE SAME THING!!
I FIND MYSELF RUNNING AWAY EVERY NIGHT FROM THE PREHISTORIC ANIMALS HERE IN CALIFORNIA IN THE LA BREA TAR PITS!!!
NO ONE CAN STOP CHANGE!! NO ONE!! THE WORLD HAS CHANGED FASTER AND MORE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THAN IN THE LAST 100!!!!
WOW I did not think you would take me serious when I mentioned for you to go write a fiction novel. I am flattered that you are taking my suggestion to heart.
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Oakes sentenced to 3 years ...What's the over under on how long he actually serves with good behavior?
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85 percent he has to do. It's mandatory
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Unless he screws-up, he will be in a halfway house in less than 2 years.
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Three yrs goes by very fast
But lifetime ban. Is 4 ever
This sport has been tarnished
By Oakes and many others
Thus not many trust the racing Horses The drivers the trainers and owners
To ever watch and wager on harness on a daily basis
IMHO the decline leading to the end has begun
Blame should be put on the tracks thst keep allowing these jerkoffs to get around the violations
Hope all indicted go to JAIL AND GET LIFETIME BANS
Jmvfho tmbz1
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Were there any monetary fines ?
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And how many more will be his bunk buddy
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In addition to the prison sentence, OAKES, 59 of Bear Creek Township, PA and ZULUETA, 54 of Bensalem, PA, were each ordered to pay a forfeiture penalty of $62,821 and $47,525, respectively.
Him and Rick Dane Jr gonna be roommates
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Three yrs goes by very fast
But lifetime ban. Is 4 ever
This sport has been tarnished
By Oakes and many others
Thus not many trust the racing Horses The drivers the trainers and owners
To ever watch and wager on harness on a daily basis
IMHO the decline leading to the end has begun
Blame should be put on the tracks thst keep allowing these jerkoffs to get around the violations
Hope all indicted go to JAIL AND GET LIFETIME BANS
Jmvfho tmbz1
Glad to see you talking seriously about this, no BS he’s a Christian etc. You are absolutely correct, Oakes actions and many like him have seriously damaged racing beyond repair.
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In addition to the prison sentence, OAKES, 59 of Bear Creek Township, PA and ZULUETA, 54 of Bensalem, PA, were each ordered to pay a forfeiture penalty of $62,821 and $47,525, respectively.
Him and Rick Dane Jr gonna be roommates
$62K is nothing compared to all the ill gotten gains made by drugged up horses.. Doesn’t seem right to me..
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$62K is nothing compared to all the ill gotten gains made by drugged up horses.. Doesn’t seem right to me..
Agree with that
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UNDER THE FIRST STEP ACT SIGNED INTO LAW ON DECEMBER 21, 2018 ALL INMATES CLASSIFIED AS LOW OR CAMP STATUS CAN EARN 15 DAYS PER MONTH THEY ARE INCARCERATED THRU PROGRAMMING. THEREFORE, OVER 36 MONTHS THE SENTENCE CAN BE REDUCED TO 18 MONTHS WITH PROGRAMMING IF HIS RECIDIVISN LEVEL IS CONSIDERED LOW OR CAMP STATUS.
THESE NUMBERS WILL BE CALCULATED BY GRAND PRAIRE AND THE SENTENCED PARTY WILL BE ADVISED OF SUCH THE FIRST MONTH OR SO OF INCARCERATION. NONE OF THE CONVICTED CAN BE AT THE SAME FACILITY BUT EACH MUST BE HOUSED WITHIN 500 MILES OF THEIR HOME. THEY JUDGE WILL REQUEST THIS ON THE CRIMINAL JUDGMENT.
THE GUILTY VERDICT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO OVER COME. THE CONVICTIONS WILL CHANGE THEIR LIVES FOREVER.
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I’m ok with 3 years IF…. His or any other convicted trainers talking will involve their owners.
There should be * beside the horses he trained that took records and set world records.
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it just doesn't seem enough
3 years which will likely be 2
a meagre fine compared to the hundreds of thousands he earned
i would hope and assume that somewhere in there is a lifetime ban although i do agree he like many others will beard their way around it
in my opinion the FBI has started the snowball down the hill, what will be most interesting is how does the usta, and regions( since we have no aligned leadership) now move forward, bury it and carry on with business as usual or carry the torch forward and start to actually police and regulate the industry they have been entrusted with
this really has to be the last stand doesn't it ??, if this does not compel change and action than i guess we are what we are
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So 36 months turns into 18.
Convictions not changing their lives at all. All or most of them have plenty of money. They always have been and will continue to be self employed. Chris still operating as normal under Hunter. Will it hurt them, yes. Is it changing their lives, no.
UNDER THE FIRST STEP ACT SIGNED INTO LAW ON DECEMBER 21, 2018 ALL INMATES CLASSIFIED AS LOW OR CAMP STATUS CAN EARN 15 DAYS PER MONTH THEY ARE INCARCERATED THRU PROGRAMMING. THEREFORE, OVER 36 MONTHS THE SENTENCE CAN BE REDUCED TO 18 MONTHS WITH PROGRAMMING IF HIS RECIDIVISN LEVEL IS CONSIDERED LOW OR CAMP STATUS.
THESE NUMBERS WILL BE CALCULATED BY GRAND PRAIRE AND THE SENTENCED PARTY WILL BE ADVISED OF SUCH THE FIRST MONTH OR SO OF INCARCERATION. NONE OF THE CONVICTED CAN BE AT THE SAME FACILITY BUT EACH MUST BE HOUSED WITHIN 500 MILES OF THEIR HOME. THEY JUDGE WILL REQUEST THIS ON THE CRIMINAL JUDGMENT.
THE GUILTY VERDICT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO OVER COME. THE CONVICTIONS WILL CHANGE THEIR LIVES FOREVER.
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So 36 months turns into 18.
Convictions not changing their lives at all. All or most of them have plenty of money. They always have been and will continue to be self employed. Chris still operating as normal under Hunter. Will it hurt them, yes. Is it changing their lives, no.
I agree Chris Oakes lucky to only get 3--he must have passed on a lot of info-to make that deal with the FBI--because Navarro-who he was supplying along with others--got 5 years and 25MILLION$$$$!!!! Where did they get the $62000 Oakes got fined?? For sure I figured at least over a million$.
I disagree-that it wont change Chris Oakes' Life. He will never be allowed anywhere near a racetrack-banned for life. If he uses his son as a Beard--surely he puts himself and his son in jeopardy as Oakes snr-is now a convicted criminal?? He will have to find a new career. Sounds like a life changing event to me.
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oakes used the excuse that he was an alcoholic and he was i saw it personally he used to sit at the simulcasting bar at pocono every race night getting plastered he had his group of buddy heavy drinkers he would buy drinks for many people
this is no excuse
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A FELONY CONVICTION CHANGES EVERYONES LIFE---FOREVER!!!! PLEASE DO NOT EVER BELIEVE THAT A FELONY CONVICTION MEANS NOTHING. IT IS LIFE CHANGING AND THIR LIVES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME---PERIOD!!!
BOTH YOUR LIFE AND YOUR FAMILY WILL NEVER HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS THAT YOU DID BEFORE THE CONVICTION. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT RACING AND BEARDS AND THINGS THAT MEAN SO LITTLE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS----I MEAN IN REAL LIFE!!! LIKE YOUR CHILDREN---GRANDCHILDREN---JOBS---CREDIT---RENTING OR BUYING A HOME----OBTAINING CREDIT CARDS AND CREDIT----LIFE INSURANCE----HEALTH INSURANCE----COACHING CHILDREN---HOA MEMBERSHIP---BUYING A CAR---FHA LOANS---TAX RETURNS---SOCIAL SECURITY---ANY EMPLOYMENT---OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES FOR YOUR SPOUSE AND YOURSELF---PASSPORTS---ENTERING CANADA AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRIES FOREVER, ETC. FOLKS, THIS IS A LIFE CHANGING EVENT IN THE REAL WORLD THAT YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND UNTIL YOU SEE IT AND WITHNESS IT.
I SEE DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND MANY PROFESSIONAL NEVER RECOVER FROM A FELONY CONVICTION. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD AND THESE FOLKS MAY HAVE BEARDS, ETC. BUT THEIR LIVES HAVE BEEN CHANGED FOREVER!!!
THIS WILL NEVER GO AWAY. THEY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME PERSON NOR WILL THE EVER LOOK AT LIFE THE SAME WAY AS THEY DID BEFORE THE CONVICTION!!
THEY WILL DO THEIR TIME AS FEDERAL PRISON IS ABOUT PROGRAMMING BUT THE VICTIMS ARE THE INNOCENT FAMILY AND ESPECIALLY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN THAT THEY HAVE HURT---FOREVER!!!!
THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS DEFINITELY PLAY THE DRUG/ALCOHOLIC CARD IN EVERY CASE AS THE FEDERAL PROGRAMMING HAS UP TO 18 MONTHS EARLY RELEASE BY COMPLETING A DRUG EDUCATION PROGRAM WHILE INCARCERATED!!!!!! TE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ALL SET THE TABLE BY CLAIMING DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE TO ENABLE THEIR CLIENTS TO GET THE EARLY RELEASE DUE TO THIS PROGRAM.
THERE IS A LOT TO COME ON THIS CASE FOLKS----MUCH MORE. THERE ARE MANY SURPRISES!
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Some more on, Oaks and his sentencing.
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/harness-trainer-oakes-sentenced-to-three-years-in-prison-in-federal-doping-case/
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Just lost a lot of respect for Patty Hogan, stick up for an admitted doper. sad, but that's the racing business today.
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Strange indeed.. must be more to the story ….
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Just lost a lot of respect for Patty Hogan, stick up for an admitted doper. sad, but that's the racing business today.
Agree 100%-Oakes wasnt satisfied doping his own--he extended this to higher criminal levels by using other people horses for financial gain-doping them as well.. Im sure Hogan made plenty doing surgery work on his horses--but to give him a character reference after fully being aprised of the facts---asinine and says a lot about a person character.
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Some more on, Oaks and his sentencing.
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/harness-trainer-oakes-sentenced-to-three-years-in-prison-in-federal-doping-case/
WTF, he’s a good guy, pay no attention to that he is an alcoholic, horse doping felon pos
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Agree 100%-Oakes wasnt satisfied doping his own--he extended this to higher criminal levels by using other people horses for financial gain-doping them as well.. Im sure Hogan made plenty doing surgery work on his horses--but to give him a character reference after fully being aprised of the facts---asinine and says a lot about a person character.
A great surgeon? Yes.. a good judge of character .. ?? I think not.
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No character reference from his top client, Michele Crawford. She was tickled pink when her horses were winning with both, Oaks and Navaro. She had the fastest T-bred with Navaro, Shancelot. And Homicide Hunter, the fastest trotter.
Yet, she never suspected a thing.
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No character reference from his top client, Michele Crawford. She was tickled pink when her horses were winning with both, Oaks and Navaro. She had the fastest T-bred with Navaro, Shancelot. And Homicide Hunter, the fastest trotter.
Yet, she never suspected a thing.
Who is she using for her T-Bred and Harness horse trainers now ?
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Who is she using for her T-Bred and Harness horse trainers now ?
Sandals
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Who is she using for her T-Bred and Harness horse trainers now ?
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Main harness is , Tony Alagna and I don't know the T-bred.
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Sandals
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oakes also disagreed with the government's assertion that he had given EPO or Epogen to some of his horses, saying that accusation came from a wiretapped phone call in which he had poor signal but was talking about two horses of his named Epillete and Epic Union.
They must have had a good laugh when they made this up..... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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THE GOVERNMENT HAS EXPENSED A LOT OF MANPOWER AND COST ON THIS CASE. THIS IS NOT CLOSE TO BEING OVER AS THESE FOLKS WILL FOLLOW THE SCENT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE UNTOUCHABLES.
RECALL THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK IS IN FACT THE TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT COURT IN THE COUNTRY. THIS DIVISION TAKES CASES AND THEY PROSECUTE AT A LEVEL THAT NO OTHER AREA OF THE US DOES.
THEREFORE, I WOULD EXPECT MORE TO COME OUT OF THIS CASE NATIONWIDE-----IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE IS A DRIVING FORCE IN THE NY METROPOLITAN AREA BY SOMEONE OT SOME GROUP---THEY ARE GOING TO GET JUSTICE!
I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT CIVIL SUITS ARE ABOUT TO BE PRESENTED. THIS WILL GET INTERESTING AS TOO FEW TOOK TO MUCH AND NOW THE VICTIMS CAN IN FACT FIGHT BACK VIA INDIVIDUAL CASES AS WELL AS CLASS ACTION.
I HAVE READ WHERE NO ONE EVER HAS DONE THIS BEFORE---BUT, THERE IS A CHANGING OF THE GUARD AND A CHANGING OF SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS ANTI HORSE RACING. THEY ARE SUPPORTED BY CASINOS AS THE COST OF CASINOS SUPPORTING PURSES IS IN FACT A HUGE LOSING PROPOSITION.
TIME WILL TELL!! LOTS OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS!
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Casino sues to get rid of racing on there properties, which they never wanted anyways after they got the license. They're getting to much bad press. The states can't control racing, this will help them take the cash. Win Win, casinos, states, lose lose, harness racing
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You guys bitching so much made Ms Hall turn in her Jersey license.. Hope your happy…
https://paulickreport.com/news/people/whistleblower-adrienne-hall-turns-in-racing-license-to-ensure-the-integrity-of-the-open-federal-cases/
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The power of The Plop!
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The new owner was listed as Cano last weekend on S McKee.
Cano, BTW, is 0-32 in 2022 at the Meadowlands. Unfortunate for gamblers who may not have been aware of the situation behind the scenes.
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Hall testified in court that she received illegal performance-enhancing drugs from Fishman and used them on her horses.
I actually did a good thing and I was completely honest and this is how they are going to treat me?
She was completely honest?
When?
After she got busted. AND only when she would get something out of it, like a get out of jail free card.
Then there was this little nugget.
“I have had a lot of really influential people contact me and thank me for what I did and offer me positions,” she said. “Some have asked that I help with HISA (Horse Racing Integrity and Safety Act).
Can't think of a better recommendation, than from a no good cheating rat.
Sincerely, Silent One
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I imagine the cheating will only get worse as all the cost of racing will rise as purses won't. The top needs to perform at a pace higher now and the ones who don't help police the sport because they are happy getting those casino purse infused 3rd, 4th, and 5th place checks. The alternative would be PA purses before 2009. The ones that continue to bring up the rear may be forced out with the higher cost, or they revert to cheating. May be the next recession will force states with tight budgets in far in the red budgets to just find a deal with casinos and decoupling. Casinos would love to take that money back pay higher taxes to the state and lower the budget by getting rid of racing expense. The FBI sting gives Government a motive to say we can use that money better for education than cheating scandals, doping, killing of racehorse, and racing lame horses.
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You guys bitching so much made Ms Hall turn in her Jersey license.. Hope your happy…
https://paulickreport.com/news/people/whistleblower-adrienne-hall-turns-in-racing-license-to-ensure-the-integrity-of-the-open-federal-cases/
Do you think that the USTA calling for an investigation into Gural's legal hypocrisy might have caused her to hand in her license. Horseplop has nothing to do with it.
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You guys bitching so much made Ms Hall turn in her Jersey license.. Hope your happy…
https://paulickreport.com/news/people/whistleblower-adrienne-hall-turns-in-racing-license-to-ensure-the-integrity-of-the-open-federal-cases/
Your sad about that? Dont feel sorry for a drugger, they
Just trying to get short cuts for money, hope she takes her
Needles with her!
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Do you think that the USTA calling for an investigation into Gural's legal hypocrisy might have caused her to hand in her license. Horseplop has nothing to do with it.
Carny, Don't take everything you read on plop so serious..My comment was pure sarcasm..
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The new owner was listed as Cano last weekend on S McKee.
Cano, BTW, is 0-32 in 2022 at the Meadowlands. Unfortunate for gamblers who may not have been aware of the situation behind the scenes.
That’s her boy toy
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That’s her boy toy
Yeah, apparently. They have been shifting names around between them for years. The whole situation is just awful.
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I said before, she'll be the new poster child for integrity. She probably did make great contacts, just like she did before she started drugging her horses. If those were the kind of people she hung around with, people who told her where to get drugs. That she knew were illegal. Thanks!!! Mr Integrity, you're making a hero out of a cheat.
Juan's a real great catch, gets too be her beard and bang her beard clam.
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http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/two-years-after-the-indictments-where-are-they-now/#.YiyXqUOtHxM.twitter
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SANDALS NO LONGER UNDER INDICTMENT
AS LUC PREDICTED 2 YRS AGO AGO,,
NO JAIL TIME,,,
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The only way this mutt escaped prosecution is he is the Fed's #1 rat.
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SANDALS NO LONGER UNDER INDICTMENT
AS LUC PREDICTED 2 YRS AGO AGO,,
NO JAIL TIME,,,
You were right, but hes obviously a squealer and i sure wouldn't want to be in his sandles, constantly looking over my shoulder.
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paulickreport: "Check information shows Oakes being paid by someone named Charles Pompay III"
that is H.Taylors buddy- how far down the shithole does this go?
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Where did they get the $62000 Oakes got fined?? For sure I figured at least over a million$.
Oakes had already agreed to pay $62,821 in forfeiture for the value of the drugs he obtained and gave to horses.
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He's been partners with Chuck for a long time, their friends. I sure don't think that's the only shady partnerships moving $ around, under the table.
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Where is sandals today ?
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Where is sandals today ?
HE CAN TRAVEL WHERE EVER HE WANTS
I HEARD HE WAS SEEN IN VEGAS FEW DAYS AGO
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The only way this mutt escaped prosecution is he is the Fed's #1 rat.
3 GUYS ARE OFF INDICTMENT LIST NOW
INCLUDING SANDALS VACATIONS,,, 73cv.2 73cv.2
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i am not so sure that when the dust settles any of these guys are going to have a pot of gold waiting for them..... i think the system is designed to take the rats cheese!!
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http://ustrottingnews.com/standardbred-trainers-nick-surick-and-chris-marino-no-longer-under-federal-indictment/
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http://ustrottingnews.com/standardbred-trainers-nick-surick-and-chris-marino-no-longer-under-federal-indictment/
THIS GUY WON OVER 16 MIL FROM 2010-2020 AND 7.5 MIL WAS BETWEEN 2017-2020
AND I WOULD THINK MOST OF IT WAS DONE WITH (PED'S) AND HE WALKS AWAY.
I THINK HE EVEN WON A BREEDERS CROWN, THEN SOLD THE HORSE AND I DONT
THINK IT TOOK A STEP FORWARD FOR NEW CONNECTIONS. SOMEBODY HAS TO
EXPLAIN THIS ONE. LUCPARK IM HOPING YOU CAN EXPLAIN, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION
MORE THAN ANY ON THIS SITE.
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Hopefully the IRS is watching and stings all of them. They can and will fuck up your life. Just a another deal made for sandals this time but the IRS has no reason to deal. I don't think his life will be the same, he loved reading about himself. No more win photos. Hopefully he'll rot in hell
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Are these cooperators now allowed to race at the Meadowlands?
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Are these cooperators now allowed to race at the Meadowlands?
I will say yes because Jeff really hated Oakes and these guys helped put him in jail.
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" LUCPARK IM HOPING YOU CAN EXPLAIN, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION
MORE THAN ANY ON THIS SITE"
You're an idiot!
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LUCPARK IM HOPING YOU CAN EXPLAIN, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION
MORE THAN ANY ON THIS SITE.
"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son"
Sincerely, Silent One
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THIS GUY WON OVER 16 MIL FROM 2010-2020 AND 7.5 MIL WAS BETWEEN 2017-2020
AND I WOULD THINK MOST OF IT WAS DONE WITH (PED'S) AND HE WALKS AWAY.
I THINK HE EVEN WON A BREEDERS CROWN, THEN SOLD THE HORSE AND I DONT
THINK IT TOOK A STEP FORWARD FOR NEW CONNECTIONS. SOMEBODY HAS TO
EXPLAIN THIS ONE. LUCPARK IM HOPING YOU CAN EXPLAIN, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION
MORE THAN ANY ON THIS SITE.
IF YOUR QUESTIONS IS
IF HES BROKE
HES LIVING WELL,,
HE BOUGHT HIS WIFE A NEW ,,RROVER AUTOBIOGRAPHY,,AT ALMOST 200K..
HES A GOOD GUY
JUST CAUGHT UP IN STUPID THINGS..
HE KNOWS IT,,
IT IS WHAT IT IS,,,
HE WONT NEED A GO FUND ME PAGE ... tmbz1
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This is a fact, I saw it on his instagram story a few weeks ago. I over heard Virgil Morgan say once that Nick has plenty of money and will never have to worry in that aspect.
IF YOUR QUESTIONS IS
IF HES BROKE
HES LIVING WELL,,
HE BOUGHT HIS WIFE A NEW ,,RROVER AUTOBIOGRAPHY,,AT ALMOST 200K..
HES A GOOD GUY
JUST CAUGHT UP IN STUPID THINGS..
HE KNOWS IT,,
IT IS WHAT IT IS,,,
HE WONT NEED A GO FUND ME PAGE ... tmbz1
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Hopefully the IRS is watching and stings all of them. They can and will fuck up your life. Just a another deal made for sandals this time but the IRS has no reason to deal. I don't think his life will be the same, he loved reading about himself. No more win photos. Hopefully he'll rot in hell
ALL ill-gotten gains. I hope everyone loses everything and some more. 11.wp
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IF YOUR QUESTIONS IS
IF HES BROKE
HES LIVING WELL,,
HE BOUGHT HIS WIFE A NEW ,,RROVER AUTOBIOGRAPHY,,AT ALMOST 200K..
HES A GOOD GUY
JUST CAUGHT UP IN STUPID THINGS..
HE KNOWS IT,,
IT IS WHAT IT IS,,,
HE WONT NEED A GO FUND ME PAGE ... tmbz1
"Good people" may get caught up in torture, killing and disposal of horses in your world, but not in reality.
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Standardbred trainers Nick Surick and Chris Marino no longer under federal indictment according to the Thoroughbred Daily News. Will they be back at the Meadowlands soon?
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Good question !
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A guy who admitted to using illegal drugs and helping Navarro, let’s hope not..
Marino , I never heard of him
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just wait till you hear who got rat on
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just wait till you hear who got rat on
Marino was buying EPO off Freddie Rogers years ago. Around the time Syrinx Hanover won the BC.
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"Good people" may get caught up in torture, killing and disposal of horses in your world, but not in reality.
Your right when your taking dead horses and disposing of them you don't belong in the business. That doesn't count all of the other things he has done. Someone or something will catch up to him someday. As far as Luc he doesn't like Nick it is his bipolar way how he post on this site getting under people's skin.
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The Feds are into the next phase, if you filled a epogen or aranasp script for a pet and it can not be proven the drug was used for that animal, arrests and license revocation.
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Marino was buying EPO off Freddie Rogers years ago. Around the time Syrinx Hanover won the BC.
Pete Simpson
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Pete Simpson
Best fuel in the sport
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The Feds are into the next phase, if you filled a epogen or aranasp script for a pet and it can not be proven the drug was used for that animal, arrests and license revocation.
What if the dog doesn't testify?
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SANDALS NO LONGER UNDER INDICTMENT
AS LUC PREDICTED 2 YRS AGO AGO,,
NO JAIL TIME,,,
The following is a statement from Joe Faraldo, Chairman of the Board, the United States Trotting Association
Please allow me to set the record straight regarding a story that originally appeared in the Thoroughbred Daily News entitled “Two Years After Indictments, Where Are They Now”? That piece addressed, among other things, the indictment status of harness trainers Nick Surick and Chris Marino, and leaves the reader with a completely wrong impression. The United States Trotting Association, which has been criticized for deliberately not reporting on these cases, posted a link to the article from the USTA website.
First, the two named individuals were indeed included in the original indictments. In all likelihood, each either made some cooperating deal or simply have indicated that they will plead to those indictments.
When the superseding indictments were later filed, the two individuals need not have been included therein. That does not mean that they are not still under the original indictment, and Court records still show that to be a fact. Those reporting entities seem to have this all wrong, and an incorrect assumption is being made. Lawyers admitted to the Federal bar can check the court records to verify that no dismissal of the original indictments has been filed.
Joe Faraldo, Chairman of the Board, the United States Trotting Association
So, If I read this right, Joe Faraldo is saying Nick Suckdick is either a dirty rat, or guilty.
Sincerely, Silent One
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SANDALS NO LONGER UNDER INDICTMENT
AS LUC PREDICTED 2 YRS AGO AGO,,
NO JAIL TIME,,,
The following is a statement from Joe Faraldo, Chairman of the Board, the United States Trotting Association
Please allow me to set the record straight regarding a story that originally appeared in the Thoroughbred Daily News entitled “Two Years After Indictments, Where Are They Now”? That piece addressed, among other things, the indictment status of harness trainers Nick Surick and Chris Marino, and leaves the reader with a completely wrong impression. The United States Trotting Association, which has been criticized for deliberately not reporting on these cases, posted a link to the article from the USTA website.
First, the two named individuals were indeed included in the original indictments. In all likelihood, each either made some cooperating deal or simply have indicated that they will plead to those indictments.
When the superseding indictments were later filed, the two individuals need not have been included therein. That does not mean that they are not still under the original indictment, and Court records still show that to be a fact. Those reporting entities seem to have this all wrong, and an incorrect assumption is being made. Lawyers admitted to the Federal bar can check the court records to verify that no dismissal of the original indictments has been filed.
Joe Faraldo, Chairman of the Board, the United States Trotting Association
So, If I read this right, Joe Faraldo is saying Nick Suckdick is either a dirty rat, or guilty.
Sincerely, Silent One
I think you are correct. I’m surprised Faraldough threw them under the bus.
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AGREED. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT THE RULE 35 (B) MOTION IS NOT FILED BY THE PROSECUTORS UNTIL THE CASE IS CLOSED TO THE PARTIES OF WHICH THE INFORMANTS HAVE IN FACT TESTIFIED. THE RULE 35 (B) MOTION MAY CREDIT THE INFORMANTS WITH SHORTER SENTENCES OR EVEN IMMUNITY DEPENDING ON HOW VITAL THE INFO WAS TO THE CASE. THE REASON BEING IS THE PROSECUTORS WANT TO BE SURE THAT IF REQUIRED TO TESTIFY THAT THE INFORMANTS DO IN FACT STATE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS AGREED UPON BETWEEN THE PARTIES. FURTHER, THERE WILL BE A WEIGHTED VALUE ON HOW IMPORTANT THE TESTIMONY WAS IN FACT IN OBTAINING THE CONVICTION.
IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT THESE FOLKS HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT WERE LISTED SEPARATELY IN OTHER PUBLISHED REPORTS AND THEREFORE THE OUTCOME MAY NOT BE FOR QUITE A WHILE IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INDICTMENTS.
THESE ORIGINAL INDICTMENTS ARE SEALED IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE PARTIES OF INTEREST FROM FLEEING THE COUNTRY OR PREPARING IN ADVANCE FOR WHAT IS TO COME.
I HAVE SEEN INDICTMENTS SEALED FOR MANY YEARS SO THIS MAY LINGER WHILE INVESTIGATIONS ARE COMPLETED OR IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE ROLE HAS IN FACT BEEN COMPLETED AND ALL CHARGES WILL BE DROPPED.
AS ALWAYS, IT IS 100% UP TO THE JUDGE!!!!!! THE PLEA AGREEMENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE BINDING AND THEREFORE THE JUDGE CAN IN FACT DO WHATEVER HE/SHE DECIDES TO DO.
DO NOT KNOW ANY OF THESE FOLKS BUT THE CASES AND INVESTIGATIONS ARE ONGOING.
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Standardbred trainers Nick Surick and Chris Marino no longer under federal indictment according to the Thoroughbred Daily News. Will they be back at the Meadowlands soon?
Faraldo explained they are still under the original indictment. They were no longer part of the later filed superseding indictments.
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Faraldo explained they are still under the original indictment. They were no longer part of the later filed superseding indictments.
Maybe Luke can call sandals and get us the truth
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scott free?
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I AM NOT A GAMBLING MAN BUT IF I WAS TO GUESS THESE FOLKS WERE INFORMANTS AND WHEN THE CASE IS OVER THEY WILL NOT BE INDICTED.
THE QUALITY OF THEIR WORK WILL DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM AT THE END OF THE DAY. THEREFORE, SINCE FOLKS WRITE ABOUT TRAVELING, BUYING HORSES, WEDDINGS, ETC. I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THESE FOLKS ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE PROSECUTED AND THEIR TESTIMONY MUST OF BEEN NEEDED OR REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO GET THE GUILTY VERDICTS.
I AGREE WITH THE EXPLAINATION BUT THE DEGREE OF FREEDOM TIPS THE HAND THAT THEY WILL NOT BE PROSECUTED.
WHEN THESE FOLKS ARE RELEASED OR PROSECUTED ---THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW THE CASE IS OVER. FOR NOW, THESE GUYS MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE PROSECUTED EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE GUILTY.
THE OVERALL SITUATION WAS A TERRIBLE SITUATION AND MANY HORSES SUFFERED. MAYBE THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS WILL PURSUE THIS CASE IN ORDER TO HELP THE ANIMALSSURVIVE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.
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THE JUICEMAN ENTERS PRISON 91.jzail
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/navarro-starts-prison-sentence/
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THE JUICEMAN ENTERS PRISON 91.jzail
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/navarro-starts-prison-sentence/
Great news, let’s hope he pays back the 25 million
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hope he rots there, then the moment he is to be released, kick whats left of him back to Panama and let them deal with him.
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https://ustrottingnews.com/veterinarian-seth-fishman-gets-11-year-sentence/
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Go to the paulick report and read fishmans client list. INTERESTING !!!
His list is basically anyone and everyone in BOTH GAMES flats or harness!
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https://ustrottingnews.com/veterinarian-seth-fishman-gets-11-year-sentence/
I think he got too easy of a sentence, I wanted the maximum for him
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I think he got too easy of a sentence, I wanted the maximum for him
From what I heard prison is not all bad.....apparentl y the showers are great.
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AND, his vet mix is STILL being use as we speak because he got caught on the phone. his juice is still NOT detectable!