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Harness Racing / Re: RATE THE TOP 3 WORST HARNESS RACE CALLERS
« Last post by davenchop on Today at 11:37:11 AM »
1. the mouth
2. the mouth
3. the mouth
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Harness Racing / Re: Computer Assisted Wagering - Elite Turf Club
« Last post by davenchop on Today at 11:35:45 AM »
ive heard this argument every year for the last 25 or more years.. yet the purses are as high as ever
i see nothing on the horizon that gives the clue that welfare money is going to stop anytime soon.. whenever
you read a story about some politician bitching about race track welfare the story goes away and its back to the
status quo.. until i see some municipality actually stop giving horse tracks welfare money and others follow suit its just
the same rehashed bullshit i read year after year
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by Redacidsucks on Today at 11:24:02 AM »
Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I  know for a fact he’s not that stupid.

He is that Stupid because he did it. It’s right there in black and white proof. He doesn’t need the money, although his kind never have enough, but he did it for the ego. These kind of guys wanna win and beat others to feed their ego and hold that trophy up in the winner’s circle. They let a guy with larceny in him to throw money in the business so this is what they get. Most guys with big money are shady or into something shady.
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by LUCPARK on Today at 11:00:34 AM »
Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I  know for a fact he’s not that stupid.
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by EddieZ on Today at 10:54:54 AM »
Gural isn’t trying to clean up shit look at half of those guys in the program all a bunch of crooks with numerous positives over the past two or three years. Also do you think Howard Taylor is stupid enough to order illegal drugs from a veterinarian to give to his trainer he’s not that desperate for money and I  know for a fact he’s not that stupid.
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Harness Racing / Re: RATE THE TOP 3 WORST HARNESS RACE CALLERS
« Last post by Bernie Madoff on Today at 10:54:06 AM »
1. Larry Lederman
2. Gil Levine
3. Roger Huston
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Harness Racing / RATE THE TOP 3 WORST HARNESS RACE CALLERS
« Last post by LUCPARK on Today at 10:44:27 AM »
PLS POST

PETE FRO M HAWTHORN IS  IN MY TOP 3
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Harness Racing / Re: Howard Taylor - Jeff Gural Feud (HRU)
« Last post by LUCPARK on Today at 10:43:23 AM »
 LET HT RACE..

HES A GOOD  GUY AND FELLOW HEBREW tmbz1
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Replay Notes and free program link at the bottom
1   Premier Elsa -   In from London, got away last and raced 3rd over but gapped a bit and was overmatched
1   Undercover Hill - not much gate speed in London in last ended up 4th on the rail from the 1 hole... DR was after him to keep up at half and faded bad was out of it before the 3/4
1   Big Billy Bob -   SCR in latest
1   Jameses Bert -   off over 50 days
1   Crytel Shadow -   3rd over and an accident happened and spread the field out.
1   Tea Toddler Dot - 1st lifetime start
1   Allstar Firefly -   Got away last and never was really in it
1   Yourefirst Afterme -   made a bobble/break in a Qua at Hiawatha

2   Eternal Ruler -   looked fired up on the gate, left hard and had to park one who put some steps in, caught a 2nd 1/4 breather but faded in last 1/4
2   Beck Jr - saved ground and beat one who was parked
2   Let Me See -1st start since July no lasix today
2   Mister Rebbily A - got away last from trailing spot in Clinton... not much you can do after that kind of start
2   Full Race Cam - In from Western Fair, no gate speed in last got away 6th from the rail,  parked 2nd over and gapped around both last turns - raced pretty good
2   Century J Rock   - eased off the gate, sat 5th on the rail, locked in by horse who was parked and got out 2nd over but bad cover had to go 3 wide - had pace at the wire
2   Distinctiv Sean   - 1st Start since December

https://dresden-raceway.ca/official-2024-programs
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Harness Racing / Re: Computer Assisted Wagering - Elite Turf Club
« Last post by Any1Left on Today at 10:26:54 AM »
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/computer-assisted-wagering-anatomy-of-a-deal/

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Beyer_Crist_and_Privman_on_computer_wagering_issues_123

I understand there's not too many gamblers that post on this site anymore, and the horsemen don't really care about the gambling aspect of the game. Truth is, eventually welfare money is going to stop coming in, and the computer bettors will disappear. Its likely that every big player has left the game except senior citizens using retirement money, as its clear to anyone that the game is unbeatable right now. The addicted horse players are getting older and older with no new players coming in. This can't go on forever, and eventually this dead game will stay dead, forever. Letting Elite Turf Club monitor all wagers and giving them edge betting is not just completely immoral, but also just a bad idea financially. Yet there seems to be no one at track management who looks at things through a good lens. The racetrack understood that people equate bad payoffs to cheating. Horses go off stride and computers are able to make thousands of bets that create horrible payoffs, it makes the game look like an embarrassment. We have never had answers from that pick 6 scandal way back about how they actually prevented something like that from happening again. Even in poker, vulnerabilities are being found, and those sites are investing millions into security, so how much security could the race track have when they put not effort and no money into security?
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