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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: makingit on February 17, 2021, 08:30:31 PM
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Tonight (02/17/21) Tri Payout $1700.
Three favorite finished out of the money.
Winner 50/1 Place 18/1 Show 3/1
Last Night At Yonkers Race 8 Tri Payout $8200.
Win 33/1 Place 14 / 1 Show the favorite
Last Night Tri Payout $1100.
Win 35 /1 Place co favorite Show the favorite
Just seems like tonight with all three favorites finishing off the board the Tri should have paid like last night's 8th Race or even more ?
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you need to ask george breenan he is in charge of wagering
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Seems like the 8 Horse owned trained and driven by the Strattons knew what he was there for and took the lead and never looked back. Maybe they told too many friends that the horse was ready willing and able and too many bettors put him on top. Just seems strange that the night before the Tri paid $8 K and even had the favorite in the top three ????
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8 on top too. Something funky here. But, the apologists all say races not fixed because pools so low now. ngc3 ngc3
That is bullshit. Tax free $ to some if fixed here. Only need 2 $1 tri tickets at price to get a decent envelope for 8 people. Combine it with a $5 double, a $5 exacta and early p3. Cha-ching.
Yonkers unplayable. State disgrace.
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Favorite was a breaker too. You may be on to something. Just seems strange when compared to the two races the night before and the wide difference in payouts especially when tonight the top three favorite were off the board and the payout was less than when the favorites were on the board?
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I've watched races several nights a week since the late 90s. Not saying i'm a better handicapper than anyone just seen a lot. Most the ones that look funky to me the ultimate longshot winner goes straight to the top. This keeps that horse out of potential trouble with knucklehead drivers, breakers etc.
I didn't watch the race but payout on tri at least is funky. Why do I think drivers might due this for maybe a grand or 2 envelope. Because they can - there's zero oversight at some tracks. No desire to pursue cheaters or invest $ to do it right See the michigan tale at hazel park. This way more than anything, way more than juicing, has destroyed harness pools.
I have a lot of friends that bet big on thoroughbreds but won't touch harness except as a gambling lark. This is the reason.
Even a couple g a week adds up to $100 k tax free. In real world, a lot of 8 hr a day professionals be happy with that as NET annual income.
As the Meadowlands legend the rabbi would say WISE UP.
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you cant compare different races
each race is its own individual event
payoffs are based on what is bet by other bettors
yes the horse paid 50 to 1 but is that really that much different than 33 to 1, both clearly long shots
perhaps in this race the people playing the 8 rather than betting him to win played that money is triactors and exactors
you say it is a low payout but based on what? the win price alone, that is only on e of many ways people can wager on that horse to win
not suggesting the insiders didn't bet him but they did so in exotics rather than show it in the win pool
and please, don't tell me it doesn't happen in tbreds, it does but their pools are bigger so it is hidden
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you cant compare different races
each race is its own individual event
payoffs are based on what is bet by other bettors
yes the horse paid 50 to 1 but is that really that much different than 33 to 1, both clearly long shots
perhaps in this race the people playing the 8 rather than betting him to win played that money is triactors and exactors
you say it is a low payout but based on what? the win price alone, that is only on e of many ways people can wager on that horse to win
not suggesting the insiders didn't bet him but they did so in exotics rather than show it in the win pool
and please, don't tell me it doesn't happen in tbreds, it does but their pools are bigger so it is hidden
8 was 20 to 1 ml. Lot of 8 horses at 20-1 ml win at Yonkers? This triple was big underlay. Forget the bullshit double talk Tim.
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Take a look at this matrix....some funky betting.
1 - 7/2 Hot Summer Knight
2 - 18 Fiji
3 - 6 Stealing
4 - 4 Winneress
5 - 3/5 Conquest As
6 - 50 Skyway Tinacious
7 - 65 Torkil
8 - 47 Lucky Arnold
with 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
1 - 42 22 13 19 106 438 190
2 83 - 114 81 88 270 630 221
3 24 58 - 18 26 105 242 62
4 12 44 15 - 10 71 201 47
5 10 27 14 7 - 51 128 74
6 213 236 203 118 155 - 445 403
7 797 671 465 617 452 393 - 431
8 297 408 78 67 225 687 503
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1 out of the $ too with buter ngc3. At half mile tracks the philosophy is half to use 1 in tris. Funky!
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does strike me as a little funny. drivers race. needed toll money to get home.
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Not a ton of money in the pool but 8/34 and 34/8 bet strong.
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Ur 100 % right. Funky. A lot people say cant compare races but that's not true. Bettors have a feel for what historical payouts are. What typical payoffs are. Id be shocked how many 20-1 ml horses in the 8 post at Yonkers get to the top let alone win. Any in the past 10 yrs? ngc3 And, to get played so heavy in triple. Fuggetabout it! Funky and all the double talk bulkshit is just knucklehead chatter.
Difference with thoroughbreds is not as easy to fix. More money also not the need to fix to survive for many. And driver community I'm told not as likely to all or most buy in. But, yes, does go on there too.
Turn the page disgrace of a track.Never should have been resurrected.
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Simple solution, stop betting.Go play the stock market, it's on the up and up.Choose your own destiny.
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Is anyone surprised
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How much money was in the trifecta pool? If this was at The Meadowlands it would be an issue, but do they get more than 10-12k at Yonkers in the tri's? At 10k its only 4 winning $2 tickets.........
Pool was $5,953. It paid $892 for $1. That's 5 winning $1 wagers.
Meanwhile, the Daily Double paid $130 for $1. A win parlay would have been about $62 for $1.
Just another garbage pool race
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Could be guys. Frankly that was always understood. Or could be more to it than some clown getting lucky. Just because pool small doesn't mean not on screw.
I didn't bet race. I make less than handful of win bets total a yr at Yonkers. And don't see race live. I did just watch replay. Still looks funky to me but who ever knows.
8 gets the top easily. 567 arent even up on gate to his inside. 4 (3rd fav) gets parked from go. Buter (1) refuses to allow courtesy tuck to 4. At half 4 refuses easy hole. No one challenges $100 winner until final turn. Wouldn't a driver on a 1/2 mile think I'm going to stuck in back of this no chance cow (8)?
Only challenge by 1 to 8 seems halfhearted to me. 3 and 4 stay out of trouble and float by 1 in stretch to get up for 2nd and 3rd. Imo race still looks funky. But a lot of you folks better analysts than me.
Yonkers canceled today. They almost never ever ever cancel. ngc3
Could be a real serious investigation ongoing. ngc3 ngc3
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Hey does anybody have program? Be interesting to see if 8 pps had ever exhibited any early speed or if the three horses to his immediate inside had a pp reason for lagging the gate a little.
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Will any investigation include why the Double paid $130 for $1 ... instead of the parlay price of $62?
Maybe those drivers bet a ton on the Double?
Isn't it harder to fix a trifecta?
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Maybe the race caller had it right when he said at the finish "THIS IS A HEAD SCRATCHER" !
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This will be thorough investigation. ngc3
The double will not be included though. And yes it would seem triple is more difficult to arrange than double. ngc3
Double didn't seem odd to me. Usually a $100 horse with chalk favorite in other half pays a little better than parlay. So double price seemed a tad more generous than i might expect but not motable.
I'm not entirely in tune to race fixing strategy. Sometimes it's better to not be too greedy and draw attention to yourself. I've long been of the mind that was was brought down lou pena. If he kept his winning % to a healthy 15 percent he'd still be a named trainer racing at Yonkers. Imho he forced Yonkers to go after him full bore.
A double fix would more obvious and arouse more angst. I will note, in support of your view that this was just a fluke outcome that occurs occasionally when 100s of races are run daily, that the 8 took no $ in the win pool at the exact start. Win odds close to doubled off last flash.
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Will any investigation include why the Double paid $130 for $1 ... instead of the parlay price of $62?
Maybe those drivers bet a ton on the Double?
Isn't it harder to fix a trifecta?
No matter what the paranoid schizophrenics here think, it is difficult to "fix" any race.
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No matter what the paranoid schizophrenics here think, it is difficult to "fix" any race.
they think 5-6 guys go dead for a $15,000 purse so they can split $892 eight ways. tmbz1
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You scalawigs are all out to get us! We know.
No matter what the paranoid schizophrenics here think, it is difficult to "fix" any race.
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I agree that it looked bad. Its one thing to nail your horse to the wood and give him a dead steer. But for 5 or 6 guys to get together and set up a race for a few hundred is an extremely risky proposition. They ain't cars. Most of us can't even set up a training mile to finish the way we want.
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I agree that it looked bad. Its one thing to nail your horse to the wood and give him a dead steer. But for 5 or 6 guys to get together and set up a race for a few hundred is an extremely risky proposition. They ain't cars. Most of us can't even set up a training mile to finish the way we want.
Fair enough! 8 going to top is easy move but beyond that more complicated. tmbz1
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they think 5-6 guys go dead for a $15,000 purse so they can split $892 eight ways. tmbz1
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What is winning share of 15000 k purse for driver. Isn't it around $500 taxable?
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I know for a fact that a trainer/owner was set up to win a race (Purse about $2500) so he could catch up on his truck and trailer payments because they were going to repossess them. He was behind about three months in payments and the $1250 did the trick. The guys in the race liked him and felt sorry for him. Believe it or not I do not think anything was hanky panky betting wise. Who knows? About 25 years ago at Monticello. I couldn't believe it being new to the game. This and another different experience made me get out of the business as an owner. Not worth it. But it was fun while I thought everything was on the up and up. Sad. I would believe anything these days. I have seen just about everything there is to see. I think I have lived too long. Everything going to pot!
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The odds r on win money has nothing to do with tri start looking at the the tri pool
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they dont really need to fix the whole race
perhaps they just had the 8 ready and decided to go for it and played him on top of som e triactors
all the other actions of drivers is always hard to figure
at best maybe a driver on one of the top choices helps but burying on the rail
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they dont really need to fix the whole race
perhaps they just had the 8 ready and decided to go for it and played him on top of som e triactors
all the other actions of drivers is always hard to figure
at best maybe a driver on one of the top choices helps but burying on the rail
Triactor??? STFU you goddamn canadian
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sorry
forgot you trumpsters call it a trifecta
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If it looks like a skunk smells like a skunk it is a skunk
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The drivers definitely bet that race. Probably the race judges did have part of the action to. Before the slots came a long that's how most of the drivers made a living. They didn't bet every race but at least one race a night. Even with the high purses today they still need some tax free spending money. If you don't believe that you are very naive.