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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: chief yogi on August 24, 2021, 09:25:29 PM
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in my many years at the track i have seen a lot. today i saw something new. union fair presiding judge charlene cushing. race 8 number 2 owner charlene cushing. thats after 3 other horses raced today with trainer last being listed as her.
i know other judges have had horses racing but not under their own name at places they are judging. not judging people here. just the fact that the state is ok with this? this just does not look good.
i think allowing an owner to have two in the same race uncoupled was bad but this?
no wonder racing is just fading away. i dont think integrity on this decision.
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in my many years at the track i have seen a lot. today i saw something new. union fair presiding judge charlene cushing. race 8 number 2 owner charlene cushing. thats after 3 other horses raced today with trainer last being listed as her.
i know other judges have had horses racing but not under their own name at places they are judging. not judging people here. just the fact that the state is ok with this? this just does not look good.
i think allowing an owner to have two in the same race uncoupled was bad but this?
no wonder racing is just fading away. i dont think integrity on this decision.
Union could not find a JP so is working and doing this to help out.
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another maine joke
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There were 5 FULLY licensed presiding judges that are sitting out and not asked she is not licensed as pj with Usta. So that is no excuse
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We were lucky that Sherry is a licensed judge, and was willing fill a void and work the Union Meet. Being intelligent, she no doubt excused herself from "judging or commenting" on races where she had an interest, either training or owning a horse. This is in the rules.
Would you want to work the Union meet in a judges stand that had to be close to 100 degrees...and never has any ventilation ?
Did the judges make any rulings on races she was vested in ?????? or did they fail to make a call in these races ?
Find something else to bitch about. I didn't hear or read about you guys eating your words when Cumberland DID open , and ran a successful meeting.
Already you are approaching 100 Maine race days...when 6 months ago the outlook was ZERO
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You can defend any thing you want anyway you want in till your the one on the other side of a call OR non call Whatever makes you go to sleep at night. And no one one else was asked so don’t say she was the only one cause she wasn’t Nothing personal but facts are facts Thank you
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As long as it wasn't the gosht of bobby sumner
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cumberland ran a meet but i wouldnt call it sucessfull.
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cumberland ran a meet but i wouldnt call it sucessfull.
Certainly it was more successful than recent years at Scar—signal out, better handle, etc. I’m setting the bar too low, perhaps, but in that it allowed the industry a few months of action, I would call it successful. Honest question: why do you chose not to call it successful?
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The Cumberland meet was definitely an improvement.
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Isn’t she also the out rider
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MIKE CUSHING IS INFLUENTIAL IN MAINE. I REMEMBER MS. URQUIDEZ FROM MANY YEARS AGO AT MONTI
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mike shing, the cornish commish defends
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my thinking on cumberland not being a sucess comes from the fact its just scarborough north with some off track handle. nothing was done that would encourage anyone to come out to the races. same 50 people there every day. the feeling was similar to the downs as if there were no hope for a future. took them all day to run a race card. i said from the start that cumberland was a new beginging and it turned into the downs. the track itself was in great shape and the race department did a good job. so im not all down but i hoped for more i guess.
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There were 5 FULLY licensed presiding judges that are sitting out and not asked she is not licensed as pj with Usta. So that is no excuse
Is Frank Hall still a PJ? Dana D did not want it, Shane Bacon still around? Who else is there?
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Is Frank Hall still a PJ? Dana D did not want it, Shane Bacon still around? Who else is there?
There is still the crew from Cumberland, Charlie , Mike Timmons. and Ralph Canney who worked Bangor
Bacon is PJ at Vernon, but they only race 3 days a week....never Sundays..so he would announce at Bangor. His schedule , till Vernon closes does not permit him to work the Fairs. Roger Smith used to work many of the Fairs , but has had health issues for the past year, and will probably not work again. FRank Hall does not want to travel to Fairs...and he too will be/should be retiring soon
The average age of Maine horse people is lower than in past years. Time to recruit some younger people and train them to be race officials........ ...patrol judges , race office , charters , associate judges. Let them work a Fair meet with some experienced people. Somebody in the Commission should be charged with this task
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You are on the right track. Maine has always had judges that had other jobs or retirees.They wouldnt give up the easy $ so consequently no younger people could get a job and certainly not a career.This has been going on for decades.Judging horse racing is a thankless job,much like being a referee.Trust me I know. The pay is about 225$ an 8 to 10 hour day with the draws and program clearing plus the travel each way. Add the fact that nothing works right at the fairs, I.E clock toteboard ,phones etc. as was the case at union sunday,It's a thankless job with no benefits and an uncertain future,so one doesnt have to wonder why there is nobody standing in line for the job.If a judge worked every one of the 150 days of racing he would gross what,34000$ a year ? And drive 20 to 30 thousand miles a year to make it.You wonder why there are no judges here? I hope this puts it into perspective,I would know.Thank You.
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There are more trained and certified judges in Maine than you know. But they are not used They hire who they want and sometimes it comes down to a personality contest. Judges shouldn’t have a agenda 5hey have to stick to judges that go all week and don’t make any calls are worst for the product To just sit there and not get involved is more bias than doing your job
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There are more trained and certified judges in Maine than you know. But they are not used
Besides the ones I have named........can you list the ones I have missed ??
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I can tell you there are more working that are NOT licensed as judges than ones that are certified judges Pathway information is public
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Probably the real reason is the commission. They don’t make these. Venues use certified judges because it’s just easier judges don’t get involved there are no appeals or paperwork on their end. Less hassle and things go smoothly for them Part of the real reason they want to change Lasix rules in Maine is the convience of not getting up in the morning to make 11 post and the commission head has said publicly that he “was not worried about integrity “ when racing So it is easy to just “bless someone “ into being a judge the public will
Never know until your on the bad side of a call. But if no calls are ever made then we all get along. The hell with integrity. “ can’t hit them if you can see them “
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Also if you put judges that , don’t know the rules, or don’t call the rules , or don’t want to get involved “ which I have heard that line from some of them “ than you in essence don’t have any rules. And no ones feeling are hurt But who suffers because of it ?
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Presiding judges missed. Sawyer dubreil and dunfy all very capable judges!
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Yo name a few
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Presiding judges missed. Sawyer dubreil and dunfy all very capable judges!
Are they PJS?
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most of the maine judges are not very capable. also the venues themself have a say in who will be hired. wedall would make a good judge but it matters who makes the decesion for each fair. and lou is right that some members of the commission could care less about integrity. easy as a state employee to just think that way. right now the fairs are all out to just staff the booth, mr magoo would be a pj if available. of course all the venues could help by seeing that phones radios ectra work for their judges.
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Training and certification is what makes them capable Unlicensed judges are just that not capable. Judges may be able to do the job. But prove it by taking and passing the tests and then PAY for a license you deserve. It is not fair for a person that doesn’t even have a licence to correct someone who does. Judges should be held to a higher standard
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Again look at the roof in Windsor unlicensed judges again. But the commission allows it
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judges should be held to a higher standard. lou nailed that. when i started this thread it was about integrity. i know everyone who has been a judge in maine, most are good people but integrity means standards need to be met. that also includes perception by the public. cherrie cushing is very capable but should never have run a horse at union while a judge. some others have had histories that enough people know that should dq them from judging. the rest if you dont have a license than why does the commission alow them to judge? well we heard it straight from their own mouth. not worried about integrity.
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Who is unlicensed at Winsor? I can say one thing, there are some on the track that shouldnt be licensed.They cant get licensed anywhere else.Horse racing is not a church function never was never will be.Dont lose sight of that.If you want integrity play the stock market LOL.Thats always on the up and up.NOT !
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Maine has a rule to let judges get licensed in Maine as a judge without taking any tests That’s why some are working and have zero credibility. That’s the commission being lazy they let one owner race 17 times before anyone noticed he wasn’t licensed but he got the checks I just saying it is not fair to the people who pay for licenses and when you do you expect to be held to the level playing field that’s When people appeal a call the the person isn’t licensed what recourse do you have fine them or suspend them you can’t they don’t have a license so you have no
Leverage. There is your integrity. You won’t be mad until it happens to you when you seek relief from the commission and they can’t enforce anything. If you have judges that don’t/ can’t call anything it looks good at the end cause no one had any calls The commission says at the end of the year it was great No problems. Thats why you have zero positive tests You don’t test or when you do you deal them away to cover them up. Looks like the commission is doing their job …
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Cant disagree with you on some points Lou.The commision has been weak for years and yes its very frustrating for all.For the most part the judges are old retired people with bad eyesight Hard to recruit young people when the old greedy people wont step aside to give them a chance.Thats how we got where we are now and i dont see it changing.
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Exactly. That’s why I said there are fully certified judges sitting on the sidelines Not working Just take the easy road I have heard “ that’s to big for me , I don’t want to get involved” out of a judges mouth There ya go
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Exactly. That’s why I said there are fully certified judges sitting on the sidelines Not working
I saw someone elses post on same subject
Who are the judges working Windsor...and which ones are not licensed ?
Good JUDGES NOT working ??
I saw the post naming Dubreuill........ .a good paddock judge
Sawyer experience as a Race Secretary and Associate judge...other than filling in, where was he a PJ
and Dumphy not even a good starter.......... .....but he always helped the handle when he worked Scarborough Downs
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Good judges do their job and are fair in what they do they make it level for all Therefore there are always happy people in a day and sad people in a day Good judges hide so as to not hurt anyone’s feelings You even had a driver at Windsor drive with out a licence I don’t know who cleared the program. But they missed that
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The point has been made but nothing will change so it is a waste of time to talk about it. People put their horses in and get what they get
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Im racking my brain as to who the judges sitting on the sideline are.Please post names because an upcoming fair asked me to give them a reccomendation and Im drawing a blank.Thanks.
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They are supposed to check with the commission for the list. That’s how it supposed to go
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AINT WALTER CASE SOON TO BE A JUDGE?
THEY SAY NO TALENT HORSEMEN WHO HAVE LOST IT BECOME JUDGES
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If you think Walter Case had no talent you are worse than i ever thought!
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The commission has no list. They cant even get licences done.
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Exactly.
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Training and certification is what makes them capable Unlicensed judges are just that not capable. Judges may be able to do the job. But prove it by taking and passing the tests and then PAY for a license you deserve. It is not fair for a person that doesn’t even have a licence to correct someone who does. Judges should be held to a higher standard
My program PJ Dumphe associate Merrill and Timmons Isn't that the Cummby crew? And who is unlicensed?
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The commission has no list. They cant even get licences done.
Wendall you coming back to judge? You once told me I did not hear anything?
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John I told you I cant see or hear ! LOL Maybe I could be a judge after all !
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cant see, cant hear, youre getting close. next you need be at least 75, an ex teacher, and have health problems. a criminal record will get bonus points
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John I told you I cant see or hear ! LOL Maybe I could be a judge after all !
You must be about 106 now,so you will fit right in up there.
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I will fit in now if I can make it up the stairs ! And the first thing im gonna do is beat ronnie with my cane for being a greedy insubordinate puke !
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I will fit in now if I can make it up the stairs ! And the first thing im gonna do is beat ronnie with my cane for being a greedy insubordinate puke ! You think you can take him in a fair fight? I think Pam would whip you. But you could fine her for using to much stick and leaving welts and a knot or two.
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41 horses scheduled to go postward at Windsor’s 8-race card today. Do we start a GoFundMe page for the connections to the horse in Race 2 who will be the only one going home today without a check? Next 5 weeks of fair racing shaping up to be a real snooze fest.
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I agree. Five horse fields. Everyone gets a trophy type deal. Rather watch a full field of horses race.
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State formula used for stipends to tracks is the real reason for to many races with short fields,
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driver with no license and owes fines drives at windsor. great job maine.
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driver with no license and owes fines drives at windsor. great job maine.
Who?
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Trainer has 3 in one race today. Lol