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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PurpleSheetPicks on May 18, 2019, 10:30:04 PM
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24.3????
spare me
someone needs to measure the distance from the 3/4 pole
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i think they will have muscle m up at 25 and something ...
for a trotter..
its wrong and misleading
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It seems to me third quarters are too slow and fourth quarters are too fast
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It seems to me third quarters are too slow and fourth quarters are too fast
perhaps
to me these drivers go too slow to the 3/4 pole and they are turning it into a sprint
they dont udnerstand the concept of come and get me
they rather just lay a red carpet out for the horses in back of them
almost every race tonight was a sprint to the wire
and the lead horses get beat
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The track is measured every year but even if it is short 4 or 5 feet, which I doubt, that only equates to a fifth or 2 fifths of a second. Face it, horses are flying.
Do tracks contract or expand every year ?
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Do tracks contract or expand every year ?
JUST DELROY
EX PANDS EVERY YR... tmbz1
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Highlight of the night was watching tetrick shake his head down the stretch on 50 dollar bill
Gets frustrated because no one took a shot at the leader
If he doesn’t like it
Then come out of the 2 hole
Instead he just sits there
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Highlight of the night was watching tetrick shake his head down the stretch on 50 dollar bill
Gets frustrated because no one took a shot at the leader
If he doesn’t like it
Then come out of the 2 hole
Instead he just sits there
And potentially cost myself some money. NO FUCKING WAY. Just so some degenerate can cash a bet, aint gonna and shouldn't happen. My bank account is the number one reason I race, if that causes you to drop tickets, tough fucking shit
We don't need camel jockey owners like you telling us how to drive
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Placement of pylons in the turns changes the distance.
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Highlight of the night was watching tetrick shake his head down the stretch on 50 dollar bill
Gets frustrated because no one took a shot at the leader
If he doesn’t like it
Then come out of the 2 hole
Instead he just sits there
RACE WAS OVER AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER WHEN TETRICK DIDNT RETAKE,,
LEARN THE GAME,,NOBODY IS PULLIN WHEN FAVS ARE SITTING 1,2
SUICIDE,,
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RACE WAS OVER AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER WHEN TETRICK DIDNT RETAKE,,
LEARN THE GAME,,NOBODY IS PULLIN WHEN FAVS ARE SITTING 1,2
SUICIDE,,
30.3 second quarter GTFO
Start fining these guys for slow 2nd quarters & watch the problem disappear....Give them a few days as well..
2nd q should not be 16 lengths slower then the first- jno
If you want to be on the lead, then there should be no reason to keep a sensible pace..
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they only race a 1/4 mile most of the time at the meadowland . sad what these drivers have done to racing . way too friendly
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they only race a 1/4 mile most of the time at the meadowland . sad what these drivers have done to racing . way too friendly
ITS PET FRIENDLY AGREED.. tmbz1
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ITS PET FRIENDLY AGREED.. tmbz1
yes .
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30.3 second quarter GTFO
Start fining these guys for slow 2nd quarters & watch the problem disappear....Give them a few days as well..
2nd q should not be 16 lengths slower then the first- jno
If you want to be on the lead, then there should be no reason to keep a sensible pace..
Why fine the leader?
What did he do wrong?
Everyone else’s fault for just lining up
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The track is measured every year but even if it is short 4 or 5 feet, which I doubt, that only equates to a fifth or 2 fifths of a second. Face it, horses are flying.
Totally Agree!!
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JUST DELROY
EX PANDS EVERY YR... tmbz1
Stop it,,, I’m eating lunch
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Why fine the leader?
What did he do wrong?
Everyone else’s fault for just lining up
didn't I see John Campbell get taken down at the red mile for slow quarter?
If you are intent on making the lead my feeling is that a sensible pace should be kept..
He did not do anything wrong per say- but think for racing to be relevant- well there has to be err racing...
So its everyone elses fault but the leader? why would a 30-1 pull on a 6-5 off soft fractions?
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didn't I see John Campbell get taken down at the red mile for slow quarter?
If you are intent on making the lead my feeling is that a sensible pace should be kept..
He did not do anything wrong per say- but think for racing to be relevant- well there has to be err racing...
So its everyone elses fault but the leader? why would a 30-1 pull on a 6-5 off soft fractions?
Yes everyone remembers Campbell gotten taken down with odds on equities
That was Dana’s horse and Dana was PISSED!
And he had every right to be
In every other form of racing that I can think of, the leader should do everything they think is right to win(keeping corners shut, conserving energy, etc)
Why should they get penalized for trying to win?
The other people should get penalized for lack of will to win
Just my opinion
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Nothing pisses me off more in harness racing then slow halfs, but if they are letting them get away with it, you need to blame your guy not the one who is racing smart.
Exactly
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Guys. I didn’t have the Opportunity to watch last nights races but do you remember they flip-flopped the track with the new grandstand they used to fly down the backside and still come home pretty good I don’t know what the weather condition last night Where the wind was coming from last night So A lot of these last quarters could because of wind Being with the wind Hugh and if that’s the case horse going down the back side are sucking air If some one has weather info from last night it would answer a lot of questions
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I would also add in defense of my long 3rd Q theory that I noticed since the beginning of the year that the 3rd Q times seemed super slow from the get go.
Would not surprise me if Gural had the 3rd and 4th Q distances changed a little just to showcase the super fast last Qs to draw attention to the Big M. More than anything Gural is a showman, so it wouldn't surprise me.
bingo
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And potentially cost myself some money. NO FUCKING WAY. Just so some degenerate can cash a bet, aint gonna and shouldn't happen. My bank account is the number one reason I race, if that causes you to drop tickets, tough fucking shit
We don't need camel jockey owners like you telling us how to drive
Your entire existence is predicated upon stealing money from slots gamblers. Dont even talk shit about gamblers, fuck face.
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THEY QUIT RACING YEARS AGO....
AND THINK ITS OK TO SIT ON THE RAIL
FUCK TETRICK AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT THINKS ITS OK TO SIT WITH MY HORSE, WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE MOVE tmbz1
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Who fkin cares
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the fastest 1/4 should never be the last if its a race
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the fastest 1/4 should never be the last if its a race
Because ?
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the fastest 1/4 should never be the last if its a race
Spot on tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Because--if horses are allowed to dawdle during a race-of course they will fly home--means that other drivers/horses didnt make moves-and if repeated often enough it makes the races total rubbish to watch..
watch TBRED races??--they nearly always come home slower because they RACE--do not dawdle around. Even have "rabbits" to make sure the pace is on from the getgo.
no Indian file racing there.
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When handicapping, don't we all weigh heavily on the horse with the fastest last 1/4? Of course position and other factors may bolster or distract from this last 1/4 as skewed number. But, I often had success in factoring the final 1/4.
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Some experts will tell you T-breds break down more than S-breds because they are spent by the stretch where as S-breds are still fresh at the wire. I'm not sure but it is possible.
AND SOME EXPERTS WILL TELL YOU IT IS THE GAIT AND BREEDING THAT BREAKS TBS DOWN VS STANDARDBREDS.
WE RACE 3-4 TIMES A MONTH VS A TB ALSO
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Many experts say t-bred injuries will happen more so because of the standing starts at the gate. Yet a thoroughbred in a 6 furlong sprint will still get a 22 second first quarter. Unlike the standardbred having a moving start behind a gate pulled by a car. Yes thoroughbred quarters usually are slower as they finish the race because at most times you have horses 2 or 3 wide challenging on the lead. Unless we switch to turf racing and the quick turn of foot horses who explode home. Nothing better in horse racing then a turf race. However discussing soft tissue or bone injuries between the two are apples and oranges because of the different gait, the pure speed of the thoroughbred and the longer stride. More so the weight distribution of the horse while also carrying a jockey.
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Don't believe I stated that turf racing was "safer" that comparing final quarter times. You see many of races the ones with a quick turn of feet exploding from the pack to the wire. Agree the industry needs a complete overhaul on transparency! tmbz1 tmbz1
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the evolution of a colony of catch drivers has killed the competitiveness of racing
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a 2 year old pacing filly coming home in 25.1 ???
spare me
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track record broken by older trotting mare..
149/4 in race 11..amazin tmbz1
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THen BET HAWTHORNE.
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track record broken by older trotting mare..
149/4 in race 11..amazin tmbz1
We watched that race live and then the replay and there is NO WAY that time was right! 41zx.bs
Yannick leaves with the 9 then pulls early then drops in then closes up the rail all in 1:49.4! 41zx.bs
That entire field couldn't win in 52.0 much less 49.4 91zxa.1
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track record broken by older trotting mare..
149/4 in race 11..amazin tmbz1
This mare has very high expectations. One was just met.
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24.3????
spare me
someone needs to measure the distance from the 3/4 pole
87xc.2 Agreed
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Atlanta was 2 and 3 wide. Basic math tells you she went more than a mile. When tracks are measured and found short or long, it is usually no more than 2 feet. That amount would not make much of a difference in time. If you still think the times are counterfeit, you may want to investigate the teletimer.
what difference would a teletimer make if the track is short
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investagate the trainer,not the timer
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I think it would be fun and interesting to remove the teletimer completely. List the times in the program but not during the race.
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I'll go slow for you. If the track is 1 or 2 feet short, hell even 5 feet which is doubtful, the difference in time would be negligible. That is why I said, if you think the times of the races are too fast, you might want to investigate the teletimer.
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A 1:50 horse is moving with an average velocity of 48 feet per second.
At that speed, for every 1 foot the track is short a horse's time will be reduced by 1/48th of a second.
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No such quarter never EVER!!
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I'll go slow for you. If the track is 1 or 2 feet short, hell even 5 feet which is doubtful, the difference in time would be negligible. That is why I said, if you think the times of the races are too fast, you might want to investigate the teletimer.
So, it is the juice or the teletimer. If the qualifiers go last 1/4 in theses crazy times, its the teletimer. I doubt they are juicing the babies... I m pretty sure its th timer..
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So, it is the juice or the teletimer. If the qualifiers go last 1/4 in theses crazy times, its the teletimer. I doubt they are juicing the babies... I m pretty sure its th timer..
I times lather ups race about 10 times
Fastest I got was 45.4 on 1 trial
Slowest I got was 46.4 on a couple trials
I think I averaged around 46.2
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So, it is the juice or the teletimer. If the qualifiers go last 1/4 in theses crazy times, its the teletimer. I doubt they are juicing the babies... I m pretty sure its th timer..
Jason Settlemoir has a tough time reading this timer. Can you blame him?
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I times lather ups race about 10 times
Fastest I got was 45.4 on 1 trial
Slowest I got was 46.4 on a couple trials
I think I averaged around 46.2
i dont have an issue with the best horse going 46.2
i have an issue with literally dozens of 2yr pacing fillies coming home 25
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i dont have an issue with the best horse going 46.2
i have an issue with literally dozens of 2yr pacing fillies coming home 25
Tony trains them hard
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Since Gural and the rest of the industry is obsessed with final times and fake fast last quarters, why not reconfigure oval for a one turn mile like Colonial?
He can use some of that sports book money to create 1:43 miles and sub 25 final quarters.... isn’t that what everyone wants?
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Since Gural and the rest of the industry is obsessed with final times and fake fast last quarters, why not reconfigure oval for a one turn mile like Colonial?
He can use some of that sports book money to create 1:43 miles and sub 25 final quarters.... isn’t that what everyone wants?
Yes.