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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Curious Fan on February 16, 2020, 10:01:01 PM
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I have been following this site for years and have noticed several themes over the years. Seems that some trainers are considered to cheat more than others. My understanding is that other than Lasix and possibly a few other similar medications in select jurisdictions NOTHING else can be administered within 24 hours of a race. I would assume with all the money involved that most trainers would treat their horses with other medications or substances. Would I be wrong to assume that just about every horse in a race has been treated with more than Lasix in the previous 24 hours?
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100% of horses are treated before they race drenched jugged blood builders among other things
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never got an answer i understood----what is a drench?
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I am gonna say in upwards of 85%
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never got an answer i understood----what is a drench?
vitamin mineral electrolyte etc mix applied via stomach tube.couple days out works...milkshake s key ingredient is baking soda that's given closer to race time then the drench...
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im gonna say most if not all of the winners
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never got an answer i understood----what is a drench?
google horse drench..day b4 works also remembering back..Great vet said if you can get them to eat it why bother using a hose..put it in a hot mash they'll suck it down
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I was told they don't do a tc02 test at Mohawk after the race??? It would appear that they don't want to catch anyone if this is accurate. Some trainers warm up their horses 2 races out and not 3, geez, what's up with that? ;D
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I was told they don't do a tc02 test at Mohawk after the race??? It would appear that they don't want to catch anyone if this is accurate. Some trainers warm up their horses 2 races out and not 3, geez, what's up with that? ;D
SHORT HALF LIFE GAS...GO EASY ON THE WARMUPS ;D
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My understanding is they blood gas the horses prior to racing. Not sure if they special just a few or if they test all horses? Wondering if the governance on selects people they want to target?
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I have been following this site for years and have noticed several themes over the years. Seems that some trainers are considered to cheat more than others. My understanding is that other than Lasix and possibly a few other similar medications in select jurisdictions NOTHING else can be administered within 24 hours of a race. I would assume with all the money involved that most trainers would treat their horses with other medications or substances. Would I be wrong to assume that just about every horse in a race has been treated with more than Lasix in the previous 24 hours?
99.9%. Basically, I'm the only one that I know of, that doesn't - It's why I will leave in the not so distant future. Life is too short to be surrounded by corruption, in all facets of the game, on a daily basis.
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So you are mr goody 4 shoes?
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So you are mr goody 4 shoes?
HEZ THE ONLY ONE HE KNOWS WHO DONT....
MEANS HE HANGS AROUND WITH GASSERS
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I drink an electrolytes drink and pre workout before I workout. Helps me sweat and less cramping up.
Haven't tried mixing a tablespoon of baking soda or two. Maybe it's help me bench and squat more
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
you would be squatting all right......
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PERCENTAGE OF DRIVERS THAT ARE MEDICATED?
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Shaking horses with small amounts of baking soda doesn't seem to be effective if you look at the studies on blood gas analysis. It seems anything that would benefit the horse would be easily detected with base excess. I think many trainers get labeled, but if 90% or more or doing it then why do people harp on the few that win races? I am really trying to understand why some trainers are considered worse cheaters than others? I find the industry as a whole is doing whatever they can to win and improve their horses, so why are some more criticized than others?
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Some are more criticized because they are less than subtle and when they do get caught they lawyer up and it all goes away. Certain drivers don't help either, instead of just winning they like to run off the screen and draw attention to it
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Speaking of warming them up late.... Has anyone ever warned a horse up later & asked for more speed doing it then Evzen Pindur??
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Your big shot trainers load these horses up prior to loading them up on the trailer! 100% fact! The problem is that they use new substances that are virtually unknown to the testing labs! When they are finally caught, their thieving lawyers (not mentioning any names) delay the process and eventually beat the rap! The lesser copy cat trainers receive stiff penalties while others retain beards!
History repeats itself!
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It has been Cat and Mouse for 50+ years.
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Shaking horses with small amounts of baking soda doesn't seem to be effective if you look at the studies on blood gas analysis. It seems anything that would benefit the horse would be easily detected with base excess. I think many trainers get labeled, but if 90% or more or doing it then why do people harp on the few that win races? I am really trying to understand why some trainers are considered worse cheaters than others? I find the industry as a whole is doing whatever they can to win and improve their horses, so why are some more criticized than others?
Baking soda is to control and balance the stomach. It’s what trainers use with the soda that is the problem. Started out as brown sugar and honey back in the 90’s, now they send much worse contents down the pipe to soak into there system. Timing is everything
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tmbz1 good point Rabbit.
Back in my school days I worked for a trainer during summers. Took a horse one day and got caught in a traffic accident. Late getting there and the track was closed for 1/2 hour before the first race for track maintenance...it rained heavy that morning, We ended up not warming up the horse.....just went out, jogged a bunch of laps and right to the gate...horse raced great, won going away. Still went back to the old routine after that though.
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never got an answer i understood----what is a drench?
They mix electrolytes and what ever else in a bucket, then get a funnel and tube, put the tube down the horses nose into the stomach and pour contents directly into stomach. Problem is degenerate horsemen who couldn't pass a grade 10 anatomy class try doing this, but mistakenly put the tube into the horses lungs, pour in contents of bucket in lungs and essentially the horse drowns.
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Baking soda is to control and balance the stomach. It’s what trainers use with the soda that is the problem. Started out as brown sugar and honey back in the 90’s, now they send much worse contents down the pipe to soak into there system. Timing is everything
YOU ARE AN IDIOT...SODA USED TO COMBAT BUILDUP OF LACTIC ACID, WICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH FATIGUE AFTER/DURING INTENSE WORKOUT.
REMOVE THE ACIDIC BUILDUP WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE tmbz1.
CHEM 101 tmbz1
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YOU ARE AN IDIOT...SODA USED TO COMBAT BUILDUP OF LACTIC ACID, WICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH FATIGUE AFTER/DURING INTENSE WORKOUT.
REMOVE THE ACIDIC BUILDUP WITH SODIUM BICARBONATE tmbz1.
CHEM 101 tmbz1
Yeah balance in the stomach you fuktard. Although I am proud you wrote a whole paragraph I could understand, that’s a first cause you usually make no fucking sense. You should of finished grade school
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I've heard that owners used to stop into the Robinson barn on the way to Mohawk, and get a "professional" drench.
Kinda like a Tim Hortons drive through.
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The problem with the industry and cheaters is, when the little guy gets caught, he is done.
When the big boys get caught, they bring in the lawyers and none of the organizations have the balls and or the money to fight them.
I'd be willing to pay a % of purse money to support a legal fund, to go the distance against these douche bags when they get caught.
One strike, we're fining you.
Second strike, we're fining and suspending you.
After strike two, all of your horses are pre and or post race tested for a year.
Third strike, we're going to the wall to keep you out of the business.
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Slim the Hagersville drive through was open for business , but only served select customers....
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Whiper .... I heard it was anyone he wasn't racing against that night. Didn't want to share with the direct competition.
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Yeah balance in the stomach you fuktard. Although I am proud you wrote a whole paragraph I could understand, that’s a first cause you usually make no fucking sense. You should of finished grade school
WE MOVED AROUND ALOT....
HADTA FOLLOW THE CIRCUIT
NO SCHOOL USUALLY
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WE MOVED AROUND ALOT....
HADTA FOLLOW THE CIRCUIT
NO SCHOOL USUALLY
I understand, its hard to get a foothold in a good education when your traveling with the carnival. I bet you kick ass on a unicycle though, its a good trade off.
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I understand, its hard to get a foothold in a good education when your traveling with the carnival. I bet you kick ass on a unicycle though, its a good trade off.
MY FORTE WAS JUGGLING WHORES
AND YOU? GRANDSTAND GOOF?
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Years ago at Mohawk they used to tube in the ship in barn, right under Murphy's team of security peeps....lol. Racetrack security, now that would be a lengthy topic!
My buddy MC has been barred for at least a decade, not sure why, but likely deserving! This guy would make Josh look like a preschooler with some of his moves. Head of security Murphy had a boner for MC and would be scanning the grandstand on North America Cup night looking for him. Murphy is standing right above my table, MC sitting 2 feet below the guy wearing a goofy wig. MC looks at me chopping on a big steak with the biggest grin you have ever seen.......pricel ess! For 40 years, security at Mohawk becomes Colonel Clink for a sawbuck.