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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: John Esposito on March 19, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
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1 1 LUCIANO N L Br Holland Pa Blumenfeld
1:54.0 4-2-1
2 2 ROCKIN RON L Ya Gingras Ro Burke
1:52.3 1-6-2
3 3 THISJETSABOOKIN Jo Stratton Wi Adamczyk
1:53.1 7-7-1
4 4 THEARTOFCONFUSION A L Gr Merton Gi Garcia-Herrera
1:56.3 6-4-6
5 5 WAIKIKI BEACH A L Sc Zeron Ro Croghan
1:50.2 7-1-1
6 6 WESTERN DYNASTY L Ja Bartlett Ri Banca
1:55.0 3-1-8
7 7 LONG LIVE ROCK L Da DubE Re Allard
1:53.4 3-1-2
8 8 MACH IT SO L Ti Tetrick Je Bamond Jr.
1:53.3 1-3-5
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THE COMPLETE OVERNITE SHEET
http://www.empirecitycasino.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/overnight-saturday.pdf
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Not with Monopoly money.
I bet him his 1st two starts at Pompano, and was really not that impressed with him against MUCH MUCH less. He may be 14th to 20th best in that series.
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Am not saying I would bet him, but would be very surprised if doesn't race much better this week. Something had to be wrong for him to race so bad.
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His last start before the Levy was at Pompano almost a month prior. He probably shipped north and got sick.
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Dr j Hanover drew rail again
Hard to bring down
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His last start before the Levy was at Pompano almost a month prior. He probably shipped north and got sick.
High liver enzymes
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How is this horse allowed to race again without qualifying?!!!! If he wires the field in 1:53:0 what will that say?
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No Qualy because he still paced in 1:56.4
Waikiki Beach A 5 6/10T 7°/6 7°/5T 7/8H 7/13T 1:56.4 31.0 *1.50
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he will be better this week
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Can he get worse than last week? Out of the money.
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Can he get worse than last week? Out of the money.
No but he could be the same tmbz1
He will be better Saturday
Trust me
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No but he could be the same tmbz1
He will be better Saturday
Trust me
How do you know E.C.?
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How do you know E.C.?
cause i know
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Takes 4-6 wks to acclimate from the climate change and the ship itself. Done it and seen both many times. I don't know when he got up north,so I'm not sure when the clock started! IMO
he shipped 2 weeks ago
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Not with Monopoly money.
I bet him his 1st two starts at Pompano, and was really not that impressed with him against MUCH MUCH less. He may be 14th to 20th best in that series.
Make that 20th to 30th best in the series.
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Hez not in this league yet
Perfect second over. Faded badly
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cause i know
You know absolutely nothing. This horse is now rated a mule, and the owners have a $20,000 claimer on their hands. Christen Me N is done too. These are NOT FFA caliber horses and the older pacing rank is very limited in talent at this level.
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Hez not in this league yet
Perfect second over. Faded badly
YET? How about NEVER?!
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cause i know
Waikiki Beach A 5 6/8 5°/6 5°/4Q 5/3T 8/6H 1:54.3 29.0 Scott Zeron Ross Croghan-----this horse is DONE at this level!
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Waikiki Beach A 5 6/8 5°/6 5°/4Q 5/3T 8/6H 1:54.3 29.0 Scott Zeron Ross Croghan-----this horse is DONE at this level!
he cant compete at the level
but he was indeed better this week
will enter at meadowlands presumably next week and try to refind his confidence
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he cant compete at the level
but he was indeed better this week
will enter at meadowlands presumably next week and try to refind his confidence
Better? Really? Instead of last by 13 lengths he was last by 6 lengths, both times going nowhere. I shipped over 6 NZ horses and for the most part, you know early on what you have. That 1:50:2 mile RUINED him at Pompano! Fork time, unfortunately.
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Better? Really? Instead of last by 13 lengths he was last by 6 lengths, both times going nowhere. I shipped over 6 NZ horses and for the most part, you know early on what you have. That 1:50:2 mile RUINED him at Pompano! Fork time, unfortunately.
how did it ruin him lol?
he needs a refresher and more time to get acclimated up north
hel be fine relax
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Did you ever own a NZ import? Rest won't solve his problem. He went tooooooooooo fast tooooooooo soon, and many NZ imports cannot handle it. I doubt he will ever be the same. They did not spend $18,000 USD to ship him here to acclimate and get accustomed to his new surroundings. These NZ horses, for the most part, are a quick hit or miss, and they find their USA levels here very quickly.
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You said a mouthful Equity! tmbz1
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https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=244125 His last start in NZ. He was exported here 11 days later. The NZ trainers knew what they were doing in NZ after he had lost 14 straight races. I guarantee they used the same constant reasoning that he ran out of classes to race in, so sell him to the USA.
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LETS TRY FOR A THIRD TIME @ $1000 A POP
S.F. $1,000 + $18.80 NYS STARTING FEE
Eleventh Race Pace Purse $50,000
1 ALL BETS OFF L YaGingras RoBurke
2 WAIKIKI BEACH A L ScZeron RoCroghan
3 LONG LIVE ROCK L DaDube ReMAllard
4 LUCIANO N L BrHolland PBlumenfld
5 FRANCO RAYNER N L JoBongiorno JeBongiorno
6 SOMEWHERE IN L A L JaBartlett RiJBanca
7 CHUMLEE A L LaStalbaum KiAsher
8 CHANGE STRIDE N L YaGingras AnVallee
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somewhere in la was huge last sat
that's my play with the brigade horse
IN ZACTA BOX,,LA HORSE TO WIN
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inside post will not help enough as he has limited gate speed. Owners are drinking too much Croghan cool aide. Will be in for $20,000 clm.by mid May or declared with incurable problem and retired. Either way, owners take it on the chin.
He will end up racin at hoosier for Peter W
..will do well long stretch
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He will end up racin at hoosier for Peter W
..will do well long stretch
Based on what? Out of the money again this week. The only question is how far back will he finish? They won't put him in claimers either. That would be too embarrassing for Croghan. The horse has not even covered the flight cost up here yet, let alone the training and staking and shipping fees.
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Based on what? Out of the money again this week. The only question is how far back will he finish? They won't put him in claimers either. That would be too embarrassing for Croghan. The horse has not even covered the flight cost up here yet, let alone the training and staking and shipping fees.
He will be at Hoosier by mid summer
Mite even be in the DAN PATCH..
that's the rumor..
Loves long stretches
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Croghan might lose owners over this horrendous purchase and import! Embarrasing performances 3 weeks straight. He should go off 70/1 in this series with an outside post.
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Croghan might lose owners over this horrendous purchase and import! Embarrasing performances 3 weeks straight. He should go off 70/1 in this series with an outside post.
hez in florida training babies hez not even watchin
stop it
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If he is NOT watching, the owners should dump him, or ANY trainer, that recommends a huge purchase and brushes it off as no big deal when they flop so badly.
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Croghan might lose owners over this horrendous purchase and import! Embarrasing performances 3 weeks straight. He should go off 70/1 in this series with an outside post.
No he isn’t losing his owners lol
Those guys have been together for YEARS
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Bad business deals tend to change things, at that type of purchase level. It would be interesting to know the sale price.
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Bad business deals tend to change things, at that type of purchase level. It would be interesting to know the sale price.
Sucks to be you ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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No, it's actually great to be me Caballus.
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Another few poor outings and this horse will be entered for : NW of a hot dog last 5 starts !!
In a few weeks it'll be: $15,000 claiming price (AE: Levy Series starters with no points (min 3 starts))
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In a few weeks it'll be: $15,000 claiming price (AE: Levy Series starters with no points (min 3 starts))
I think he might struggle as a $15,000 claimer now! There is nothing there to believe in now. Zeron looked clueless in the bike as if he knew this horse is done in New York. If Croghan enters him for leg 4, he should have his head examined. They should qualify him at the Meadowlands and see if he has anything left to compete with. If not, get his passport ready.
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Christen Me N is another one that belongs out of the Levy and should be racing in the $20,000 Meadowlands Open already.
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In 2011:Murray Brown, the vice president and general manager of the Standardbred Horse Sale, as well as the public relations director for Hanover Shoe Farms, which bred Detour Hanover, said the trotting colt has the makeup to be a champion. “I’ve been at Hanover for 44 years and we’ve sold a lot of trotters in that time and he was without a doubt the finest physical specimen of a trotter that I’ve ever seen,” Brown said. “My all-time most beautiful yearling was The Panderosa. He was called Dead-Eye Hanover when he was a yearling. He was about as close to perfection that I’ve ever seen. (Detour Hanover) is his equivalent on the trot." ----“It will either be the greatest thing that ever happened or the biggest calamity,” a laughing Cancelliere said after spending $825,000 for the trotting colt Detour Hanover, a full brother to 2007 Horse of the Year Donato Hanover. “They could be laughing at me for the next 20 years.”-------case closed on hype and opinions from those who think they know more than the rest of us!
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In 2011:Murray Brown, the vice president and general manager of the Standardbred Horse Sale, as well as the public relations director for Hanover Shoe Farms, which bred Detour Hanover, said the trotting colt has the makeup to be a champion. “I’ve been at Hanover for 44 years and we’ve sold a lot of trotters in that time and he was without a doubt the finest physical specimen of a trotter that I’ve ever seen,” Brown said. “My all-time most beautiful yearling was The Panderosa. He was called Dead-Eye Hanover when he was a yearling. He was about as close to perfection that I’ve ever seen. (Detour Hanover) is his equivalent on the trot." ----“It will either be the greatest thing that ever happened or the biggest calamity,” a laughing Cancelliere said after spending $825,000 for the trotting colt Detour Hanover, a full brother to 2007 Horse of the Year Donato Hanover. “They could be laughing at me for the next 20 years.”-------case closed on hype and opinions from those who think they know more than the rest of us!
ive always said this
those high priced yearlings never turn out
better off spending that kinda money on a horse that has made himself
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Correct Caballus. You would not need to go that high to find a nice one to buy privately either.
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NOT ENTERED THIS WEEK, ONLY 3 DIVISIONS THIS WEEK
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If Croghan has found sanity, he should enter him in the Meadowlands Open for this week and go all out to try to win.
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If Croghan has found sanity, he should enter him in the Meadowlands Open for this week and go all out to try to win.
HE CANT BEAT WESTERN JOE
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Croghan found sanity when he brought this horse over - certainly made his money up front. 73cv.2
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If Croghan has found sanity, he should enter him in the Meadowlands Open for this week and go all out to try to win.
Crocodile man is 5 for 6 this year at pomp
How are your standings?
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Brett Sturman:'On that opposite end of the spectrum, what happened to the supposed strong crop of a record 12 horses from New Zealand and Australia? In fact, of the 12 Down Under horses, the only one to be well positioned to even race in the finals is the former defending champion, Bit Of A Legend N. There's no way around it that the most disappointing of the imports has been Waikiki Beach A. He tied up in his first Levy start, but even discounting that, he was always outpaced in his next two races. With that foreign record early in his career and then the 1:50 mile in his second start at Pompano it looked like he'd be a threat in the series. Hopefully the connections can figure him out and we'll get a chance to see his best at some point in the future.'------no chance of that happening Brett, unfortunately, after what we all saw.
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7 SECONDS FASTER THAN THE Q IN HIS FIRST RACE MAY HAVE BEEN TOO MUCH
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RACE 6 - Meadowlands - NJ - April 14, 2018
Conditions:THE WHATA BARON Horses & Geldings N/W 6 Extended PM Races Lifetime Thru 12/31/2017 or N/W $125,000 in 2017 - 2nd Leg
Gait: Pace Purse: $17,500 Class: WhtaBaron Distance: 1 Mile Planned Post Time: 8:55 PM
PP Horse Med 2018 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Base
Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Claim
1 Dorel 5 2 1 0 1:50.4M $17260 Andrew McCarthy Chris Ryder
2 Cajon Lightning L 12 2 1 2 1:50.2F $33405 Victor Kirby Eric Ell
3 Air Strike 9 3 0 0 1:51.2F $23050 Corey Callahan Joe Holloway
4 Windsong Leo 11 6 0 0 1:50.2M $58100 Jim Marohn Jr Ron Burke
5 Sams Triple Crown 9 2 1 1 1:51.1M $17385 Corey Callahan Jerry Nock
6 Hug The Wind N
FOR: 0 0-0-0 $- 6 1 1 1 1:50.2M $12150(i) Corey Callahan Ross Croghan
7 Barimah A L 7 2 2 0 1:50.4M $17925(i) Andy Miller Scott Di Domenico
8 Waikiki Beach A
FOR: 0 0-0-0 $- L 5 2 0 0 1:50.2F $11000(i) Ross Croghan -----Croghan is showing some sense now. If the results are the same, it's fork time. I don't expect much difference. He does not seem competitive now on the track.
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I don't know if he can go in 1:51:s right now at the Meadowlands.
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I don't know if he can go in 1:51:s right now at the Meadowlands.
Easily
Croghan will have him ready
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No but he could be the same tmbz1
He will be better Saturday
Trust me
You said this before and were totally wrong.
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Who will drive him?
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RACE 6 - Meadowlands - NJ - April 14, 2018
Conditions:THE WHATA BARON Horses & Geldings N/W 6 Extended PM Races Lifetime Thru 12/31/2017 or N/W $125,000 in 2017 - 2nd Leg
Gait: Pace Purse: $17,500 Class: WhtaBaron Distance: 1 Mile Planned Post Time: 8:55 PM
PP Horse Med 2018 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Base
Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Claim
1 Dorel 5 2 1 0 1:50.4M $17260 Andrew McCarthy Chris Ryder 10-1
2 Cajon Lightning L 12 2 1 2 1:50.2F $33405 Victor Kirby Eric Ell 12-1
3 Air Strike 9 3 0 0 1:51.2F $23050 Corey Callahan Joe Holloway 8-1
4 Windsong Leo 11 6 0 0 1:50.2M $58100 Jim Marohn Jr Ron Burke 5-2
5 Sams Triple Crown 9 2 1 1 1:51.1M $17385 Eric Abbatiello Jerry Nock 15-1
6 Hug The Wind N
FOR: 0 0-0-0 $- 6 1 1 1 1:50.2M $12150(i) Jim Pantaleano Ross Croghan 4-1
7 Barimah A L 7 2 2 0 1:50.4M $17925(i) Andy Miller Scott Di Domenico 3-1
8 Waikiki Beach A
FOR: 0 0-0-0 $- L 5 2 0 0 1:50.2F $11000(i) Gregory Merton Ross Croghan 5-1 Merton's the man so it's an automatic toss out again.
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Easily
Croghan will have him ready
6 Sixth Race
THE WHATA BARON Horses & Geldings N/W 6 Extended PM Races Lifetime Thru 12/31/2017 or N/W $125,000 in 2017 - 2nd Leg
Live Purse: $17500 Weather: 52-0
Pace Distance: 1 Mile
Track: Fast
Off Time: 21:23:00
H PP Horse 1/4 1/2 3/4 STR Fin Time Last Q Odds Driver Trainer
7 7 Barimah A (L) 2°-H 1-1H 1-1 1-1 1-T 1:50.4 27.1 1.80 An Miller S Di Domenico
4 4 Windsong Leo 3-1H 3-2T 2°-1 2-1 2-T 1:51.0 27.1 *.60 Ji Marohn R Burke
6 6 Hug The Wind N 1-H 2-1H 3-1T 3-2T 3-4T 1:51.4 27.4 12.80 Ji Pantaleano R Croghan
2 2 Cajon Lightning (L) 4-3T 4-4 5-4 4-4T 4-7 1:52.1 27.4 14.40 Vi Kirby E Ell
3 3 Air Strike 6-7 5°-5Q 4°-3Q 5-5T 5-7H 1:52.1 28.0 38.40 Co Callahan J Holloway
5 5 Sams Triple Crown 7-8H 7°-6Q 6°°-5 6-6H 6-8 1:52.2 27.4 45.10 Er Abbatiello J Nock
1 1 Dorel 5-5H 6-5Q 7-5T 7-6H 7-10T 1:53.0 28.1 32.20 An McCarthy C Ryder
8 8 Waikiki Beach A (L) 8-10 8°-7H 8°-7Q 8-9H 8-15Q 1:53.4 28.4 20.00 Gr Merton R Croghan
Time-26.3; 54.4; 1:23.3; 1:50.4 --wrong again Caballus! The horse is pure trash.
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40 CLAIMER..
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He would struggle at Rosecroft now Luc. Fork time for him, unfortunately. A write-off for the Croghan owners for sure. They know it. Croghan has no more excuses. It's time to realize it's over with him and not throw good monthly training dollars after bad going forward. He is racing now like a mule.
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He would struggle at Rosecroft now Luc. Fork time for him, unfortunately. A write-off for the Croghan owners for sure.
im sitting right next to the owner
he thanks you for your insight
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im sitting right next to the owner
he thanks you for your insight
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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They know it. It's unfortunate. I brought one over here from NZ to $55,000USD landed 6 years ago and it NEVER raced, adding on $30,000 in training bills for my group.
the other ones the shipped over have done pretty well
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im sitting right next to the owner
he thanks you for your insight
You are at the Meadowlands now?
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im sitting right next to the owner
he thanks you for your insight
He thinks your $40,000 claimer idea is correct?
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You are at the Meadowlands now?
no the owner dummy angbk angbk angbk
not the horse
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He thinks your $40,000 claimer idea is correct?
40K?
thats generous
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If the horse is at the Meadowlands why couldn't the owner travel to be there to watch him race?
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If the horse is at the Meadowlands why couldn't the owner travel to be there to watch him race?
because its easier to watch in his private theater with 108 inch display
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40K?
thats generous
You thought he would be ready again Caballus. He wasn't. Luc is way overrating Waikiki at that price.
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because its easier to watch in his private theater with 108 inch display
WHY DONT HE JUST FLY YOU THERE IS HIS PRIVATE JET THEN?
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WHY DONT HE JUST FLY YOU THERE IS HIS PRIVATE JET THEN?
The jet was in Vegas for the weekend
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RACE 10 - Yonkers Raceway - NY - May 4, 2018
Conditions:NON-WINNERS OF $10,000 IN LAST 5 STARTS WINNERS OVER $50,000 IN 2018 NOT ELIGIBLE.
Gait: Pace Purse: $15,000 Class: NW10000L5 Distance: 1 Mile Planned Post Time: 9:50 PM
PP Horse Med 2018 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Base
Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Claim
1 Waikiki Beach A
FOR: 0 0-0-0 $- L 6 2 0 0 1:50.2F $11000(i) Eric Goodell Ross Croghan 4-1
2 Rycroft N L 9 2 2 0 1:53.2F $21066(i) Brian Sears Tony Osullivan 9-2
3 Lone Survivor L 8 2 0 0 1:55.0H $18470 Daniel Dube Richard Banca 7-1
4 Itsonlyrocknroll A L 13 4 4 0 1:56.0H $28375(i) Larry Stalbaum Kimberly Asher 3-1
5 One To Draw To L 13 1 2 3 1:52.0F $23400 Mark Macdonald William Adamczyk 20-1
6 First Class Horse L 3 0 0 0 - - Brent Holland Rob Harmon 7-1
7 Lucan Hanover L 7 0 1 2 Q1:53.1M $9445 Jason Bartlett Andrew Harris 4-1
8 Bettor Rock On N L 12 0 6 1 - $35140(i) Jordan Stratton Lance Hudson 9-1
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RACE 10 - Yonkers Raceway - NY - May 4, 2018
Conditions:NON-WINNERS OF $10,000 IN LAST 5 STARTS WINNERS OVER $50,000 IN 2018 NOT ELIGIBLE.
Gait: Pace Purse: $15,000 Class: NW10000L5 Distance: 1 Mile Planned Post Time: 9:50 PM
PP Horse Med 2018 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Base
Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Claim
1 Waikiki Beach A
FOR: 0 0-0-0 $- L 6 2 0 0 1:50.2F $11000(i) Eric Goodell Ross Croghan 4-1
2 Rycroft N L 9 2 2 0 1:53.2F $21066(i) Brian Sears Tony Osullivan 9-2
3 Lone Survivor L 8 2 0 0 1:55.0H $18470 Daniel Dube Richard Banca 7-1
4 Itsonlyrocknroll A L 13 4 4 0 1:56.0H $28375(i) Larry Stalbaum Kimberly Asher 3-1
5 One To Draw To L 13 1 2 3 1:52.0F $23400 Mark Macdonald William Adamczyk 20-1
6 First Class Horse L 3 0 0 0 - - Brent Holland Rob Harmon 7-1
7 Lucan Hanover L 7 0 1 2 Q1:53.1M $9445 Jason Bartlett Andrew Harris 4-1
8 Bettor Rock On N L 12 0 6 1 - $35140(i) Jordan Stratton Lance Hudson 9-1
i still dont understand your obsession ?
did croghan bang your wife or something?
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i still dont understand your obsession ?
did croghan bang your wife or something?
You been looking pretty fucking stupid on this thread for months.
You just need to tell us you were wrong, you were lying and you apologize.
You'll feel better.
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You been looking pretty fucking stupid on this thread for months.
You just need to tell us you were wrong, you were lying and you apologize.
You'll feel better.
ngc3
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But I’m sure Eddie had the answer
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i still dont understand your obsession ?
did croghan bang your wife or something?
The horse was overhyped as a Levy major player and look where he is now. It points out how risky and foolish these high purchase priced NZ horses are to buy. I doubt he does any better in this class. We will see. It proves his worth was nowhere near what was probably paid for him. Keep the NZ purchases at the current exchange rates to UNDER $50,000 USD landed. If not, it's like the gold making machine from Superman that Professor Pepperwinkle invented in the tv series. The problem was it took $10,000 of platinum to make only $5000 of gold. It's the same with NZ horses. Why spend over $100,000? After packing on training bills, the break even point is $150,000 in earnings the first year, which is the exception, NOT the rule, with ANY NZ horses brought here.
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Or Doug dillioian.
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RACE 3 9:20 AM
Qua $0 Pace
PP Horse Driver Trainer Odds
1 Mach Domi Douglas Mcnair Tony Alagna
2 Stay Hungry Douglas Mcnair Tony Alagna
3 Legal Power David Miller Tony Alagna
4 Pro Beach Yannick Gingras Jimmy Takter
5 Lost In Time Scott Zeron Jimmy Takter
6 Killer Look Brett Miller John Marulli Jr
7 Lets Roll Anthony Napolitano Jake Huff
8 Hayden Hanover Andy Miller Julie Miller
9 Casual Cool Tim Tetrick Linda Toscano
10 Heaven Rocks A David Miller Ross Croghan
Why don’t you jealous losers post this one?
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RACE 3 9:20 AM
Qua $0 Pace
PP Horse Driver Trainer Odds
1 Mach Domi Douglas Mcnair Tony Alagna
2 Stay Hungry Douglas Mcnair Tony Alagna
3 Legal Power David Miller Tony Alagna
4 Pro Beach Yannick Gingras Jimmy Takter
5 Lost In Time Scott Zeron Jimmy Takter
6 Killer Look Brett Miller John Marulli Jr
7 Lets Roll Anthony Napolitano Jake Huff
8 Hayden Hanover Andy Miller Julie Miller
9 Casual Cool Tim Tetrick Linda Toscano
10 Heaven Rocks A David Miller Ross Croghan
Why don’t you jealous losers post this one?
COOP ,,U LETS THESE LOSERS GET TO YOU
MOST HAVE NOTHIN ON HERE,,,PAY NO MIND
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RACE 3 9:20 AM
Qua $0 Pace
PP Horse Driver Trainer Odds
1 Mach Domi Douglas Mcnair Tony Alagna
2 Stay Hungry Douglas Mcnair Tony Alagna
3 Legal Power David Miller Tony Alagna
4 Pro Beach Yannick Gingras Jimmy Takter
5 Lost In Time Scott Zeron Jimmy Takter
6 Killer Look Brett Miller John Marulli Jr
7 Lets Roll Anthony Napolitano Jake Huff
8 Hayden Hanover Andy Miller Julie Miller
9 Casual Cool Tim Tetrick Linda Toscano
10 Heaven Rocks A David Miller Ross Croghan
Why don’t you jealous losers post this one?
good luck!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
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I saw him train last week
Was wrapped up last half
Triple arm lock
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I think Heaven Rocks A will be a monster over here. Ross has been importing horses from NZ and Australia for well over 30 years and definitely knows what he is doing.
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I think Heaven Rocks A will be a monster over here. Ross has been importing horses from NZ and Australia for well over 30 years and definitely knows what he is doing.
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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Croghan knows what he's doing alright! And his owner sucks in partners to pay for his share. 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX030218#MXM03021801 Heaven Rocks looks like a nice NZ horse. He was 3rd in February to Lazarus in a $500,000 race. His 1:51:4 at Ashburton last year for a straight 2 turn mile was nice. Again, I hope the price was not over $100,000 USD landed because it will take a lot to get that all back with the training fees on top of it. Click PLAY to watch the race from February. He moves his head around a lot.
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https://www.harnessmediacentre.com.au/trotstv/replays/34259 Heaven Rocks final down under start is more revealing. I assume Lasix will be used immediately here most likely.
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http://www.thebigm.com/uploadedFiles/Horsemen/Condition_Sheets/Race%20Pages%20-%20Q's%20May%205.pdf He is up against Ric Flair's Lost In Time and Stay Hungry, the 2 top 3 year olds in North America. He might sit last from the 10 post here and close.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbdv2jI_wf0 Wooooooo!
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http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=MX030218#MXM03021801 Heaven Rocks looks like a nice NZ horse. He was 3rd in February to Lazarus in a $500,000 race. His 1:51:4 at Ashburton last year for a straight 2 turn mile was nice. Again, I hope the price was not over $100,000 USD landed because it will take a lot to get that all back with the training fees on top of it. Click PLAY to watch the race from February. He moves his head around a lot.
horse was described as a pig and a cheat by previous trainer.
Think that says enough.
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Tough call, ross is all about ross.
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Croghan knows what he's doing alright! And his owner sucks in partners to pay for his share. 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
Which partners?
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20 February 2018
NZ HARNESS NEWS
Outstanding but erratic pacer Heaven Rocks is under offer to American interests and could be stateside by the end of the month.
Co-owner Phil Kennard confirmed to NZ Harness News this morning that the owners of the big gelding had accepted an offer and now it was a case of waiting for the buyers to complete their due diligence before he departed Australasian shores.
The decision came with mixed emotions for the group according to Kennard who said although he’s tested their patience on numerous occasions during his career, he’s also given them some incredible thrills.
“It’s been an interesting ride, that’s for sure,” Kennard said.
“He’s given us all some wonderful thrills, but going to watch him is a bit like going to a rodeo, you just don’t quite know what’s going to happen.”
Kennard said the horse was still in good health and capable of racing competitively in the high grades, but his manners have unfortunately meant he has always been chasing the good ones.
“If you go back through most of his runs, he’s had to chase because he’s come off the unruly or been slow away or done things wrong.
“He’s put up some phenomenal performances at times, to run a length and a half behind Vincent, who Mark thinks is the next big thing, in the Auckland Cup was huge.
“But eventually, that could break his heart and none of us want that to happen.”
Heaven Rocks is a multiple Group One winner, including last season’s Easter Cup and 4YO Emerald at the Harness Jewels.
He raced for Kennard, his wife Glenys, Phil and Margaret Creighton, Gavin Douglas and Kevin Riseley on 27 occasions, winning 12 and placings a further six times for close to $500,000 in earnings.
It’s never nice selling a horse who has given you such a great ride Kennard said, but at the end of the day the owners had made the decision based on what was best for the horse, Mark Purdon and Natalie Rasmussen and for them in the long run.
“It would have been hard for him next season, off the unruly and chasing not only Lazarus, but probably Vincent too.
“The treatments he can get over in America will help him greatly and it will free up a lot of time around the stable because he requires attention above and beyond most other horses.”
It is likely, unfortunately, that Heaven Rocks’ last run as a Kiwi will go down as one of his worst, with his effort to finish last in the Allied Express Sprint on Saturday night at Menangle.
“With the virus that had been going through the barn we weren’t that confident, he hadn’t really handled the retention barn too well, either.
“But he was pretty ordinary by his standards.”
With just the minor details to be worked out by the interested party, Kennard expected that Heaven Rocks could be on his way to America within a fortnight........ .......so there you go. A head case that Croghan thinks he can solve here. At what price to the owners? It's a HUGE gamble!
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As Charlie says to Maverick in Top Gun: https://y.yarn.co/1d2a7d93-1c48-4263-863e-b7923ef94e72.mp4?1525363770820
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Just got off the phone with eric and Dana
They said to thank you all for you very very valuable insight and that they appreciate such knowledge coming from such successful people in the business
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Just got off the phone with eric and Dana
They said to thank you all for you very very valuable insight and that they appreciate such knowledge coming from such successful people in the business
You like looking stupid?
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Just got off the phone with eric and Dana
They said to thank you all for you very very valuable insight and that they appreciate such knowledge coming from such successful people in the business
At some point, deep pockets can get holes in them and lose money. It's a risky gamble on a probably big cost to get a horse like that over here. Good luck. We shall see the return. I find these NZ agents and trainers way overhype what they are selling, and many are unloading high priced horses with straight faces. Some NZ horses do well here, but more don't, in terms of even breaking even.
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I have no insight to offer on these down under horses, but any news on Prairie Sweetheart?
PS: Gigi in to go Sat at Tioga
she was training back in FL
but i havent seen her since she shipped north
ill ask
she got hurt in roses are red last year
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Where’s the update?
I’m waiting for you giys
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Another poor effort in 1:55:0.
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On a brighter note Heaven Rocks A looked a little rank today but his qualifier was impressive. He came from eighth first over finishing second in hand and paced in 1:51.1 last quarter in 26.3.
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On a brighter note Heaven Rocks A looked a little rank today but his qualifier was impressive. He came from eighth first over finishing second in hand and paced in 1:51.1 last quarter in 26.3.
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The surf is up!! Waikiki Beach A finally makes it back to the winners circle in 1:51.1. He still has a way to go to compete with the top horses but made a step in the right direction tonite. tmbz1
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VERY UNIMPRESSIVE,,,,IMO
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Winning at the meadowlands isn’t easy
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Who gives a shit about this horse he is nothing special just a horse.
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WELL HES NOT SICK ANYMORE! ONLY TIME WILL TELL HOW GOOD HE IS! HE SHOULD HAVE PLENTY LEFT IN HIS TANK ESPECIALLY FOR THIS WEEKEND! HAMMER AWAY I SAY!(BTW, WAS ALL ME LAST WEEK) SHORT PRICE BUT EZ D/D
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Rumor has it another killer is being shipped in to that barn
Stay tuned
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Who gives a shit about this horse he is nothing special just a horse.
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Rumor has it another killer is being shipped in to that barn
Stay tuned
You're 0 for Forever.
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You're 0 for Forever.
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You are such an idiot
It’s all coming out soon
Big name shipping in
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You are such an idiot
It’s all coming out soon
Big name shipping in
WHY IS IT A SECRET NOW?
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I can’t help stupid
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Why so much silence now???
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Why so much silence now???
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CATCHING OUR COLLECTIVE BREATH
THIS IS SHOCKING NEWS.... ngc3
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Why so much silence now???
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EVERYBODY IN NA HARNESS RACING JUST SHIT THEIR PANTS AND HAD TO GO CHANGE.
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Who care about this horse he isn't much never will be.
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Somebody cares with 10 pages of discussion. BTW, where is Waikiki Beach A & Heaven Rocks A this week?
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Who care about this horse he isn't much never will be.
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Somebody cares with 10 pages of discussion. BTW, where is Waikiki Beach A & Heaven Rocks A this week?
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Heaven rocks maybe get couple week off
Not sure about Waikiki
He may be lightly raced next month or so then back to normal
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Heaven rocks maybe get couple week off
Not sure about Waikiki
He may be lightly raced next month or so then back to normal
/ok, you're officially An Insider.
I will now refer to you as 'SCOOP.'
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Who care about this horse he isn't much never will be.
Not so wise as posted i see!
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Heaven rocks maybe get couple week off
Not sure about Waikiki
He may be lightly raced next month or so then back to normal
Why would HRA get a couple of weeks off? Is he sick? Did he bleed?
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Why would HRA get a couple of weeks off? Is he sick? Did he bleed?
needs a little straightening out
ross doesnt like to push em
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needs a little straightening out
ross doesnt like to push em
WHAT ELSE DID ROSS TELL YOU?
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WHAT ELSE DID ROSS TELL YOU?
He told me some guy named Fatboy on horse plooop
Is a shmendrick idiot ;D
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needs a little straightening out
ross doesnt like to push em
that's why they race as fast in their first 2 starts as they ever do
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He told me some guy named Fatboy on horse plooop
Is a shmendrick idiot ;D
I JUST WANNA LEARN THE GAME IM SORRY
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Mel Mara not good Tonite Junior
Mite need easier
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Mel Mara not good Tonite Junior
Mite need easier
yes he does
tough to find a spot for him though
hopefully there will be something a drop down next time
mach it so
very good
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Oh well, at least mine didn't finish last.
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Oh well, at least mine didn't finish last.
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winner
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winner
where is Flysofly and fatboy with delroy and calhoun?
they love to go silent
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where is Flysofly and fatboy with delroy
they love to go silent
it only took 7 weeks.
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where is Flysofly and fatboy with delroy and calhoun?
they love to go silent
You embarrass yourself constantly. This horse is racing in lower conditioned classes, which are NOT what his most likely HUGE cost was intended for, in bringing him here! You could get the same results with a $30,000 claimer instead. If this horse cost over $100,000 USD to get here, they are taking a BATH on him. He is NOT worth the cost, and you know it.
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where is Flysofly and fatboy with delroy and calhoun?
they love to go silent
beat nobody ,,and wins with a suck along trip,,,dont get to excited,,,,,dont forget the back half the Brittany colt came in his first start,,,,dont sleep on him
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You embarrass yourself constantly. This horse is racing in lower conditioned classes, which are NOT what his most likely HUGE cost was intended for, in bringing him here! You could get the same results with a $30,000 claimer instead. If this horse cost over $100,000 USD to get here, they are taking a BATH on him. He is NOT worth the cost, and you know it.
winning at the mwadowlands isnt a cakewalk piker
add 2 conditions to the classes there to be equal to Yawnkers and other casino tracks
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winning at the mwadowlands isnt a cakewalk piker
add 2 conditions to the classes there to be equal to Yawnkers and other casino tracks
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Uncle Speaking Now
Rats are rats wherever they are.
You've lost perspective, Scoop.
What you have here is a case of The DFL Blues.
Uncle Recommend treat with 20cc of class relief and recalibration of expectations.
This Has Been Uncle Speaking
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Uncle Speaking Now
Rats are rats wherever they are.
You've lost perspective, Scoop.
What you have here is a case of The DFL Blues.
Uncle Recommend treat with 20cc of class relief and recalibration of expectations.
This Has Been Uncle Speaking
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You have lots of experience as an owner ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Ok I’ll listen to you
You have lots of experience as an owner ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
That would be smart.
But you won't.
You got Rocco and a top harness Jew to guide you.
Let us know how that's working.
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where is Flysofly and fatboy with delroy and calhoun?
they love to go silent
IM RIGHT HERE CHUMLEY...MORE CLASS RELIEF IN STORE, STAY TUNED
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it only took 7 weeks.
They’re animals not machines
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They’re animals not machines
And u keep responding to these guys
What's the matter with u
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And u keep responding to these guys
What's the matter with u
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They’re animals not machines
MEL MARA?
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HEY SHELDON MAYBE THE OLD OWNERS WANT TO BUY HIM BACK FOR THE 160K THEY SOLD HIM FOR,,,,,,BUT I THINK NOT
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HEY SHELDON MAYBE THE OLD OWNERS WANT TO BUY HIM BACK FOR THE 160K THEY SOLD HIM FOR,,,,,,BUT I THINK NOT
they want to even pay in USD!!!
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they want to even pay in USD!!!
Look, I'm just trying to help. I owned lots of old claimers. So, if you had to make a Binary Decision on who to listen to; UNCLE CALHOUN or ROCCO FAKE CREDIT REPORT RUFFOLLO, you may want to revisit your heretofore decision making.
When you run DFL week-after-week, two things happen:
1. You panic. You look to sell low. In other words, you become Ruffolo. You make a shitty decision. All you have to look forward to is watching the horse win for new owners.
2. You refuse to acknowledge reality. You make up excuses for bad runs that noone ever made or heard of before. This is another Ruffoolo mental defect.
So you say to yourself, "What should I do? What would Calhoun do?"
Well, here's the deal... 1. The horse is too old to improve significantly... 2. He needs change.... driver, track, trainer if you're that strong.
So, ipso fatso, put the horse on a half and put him in the 30's at Yonkers.
Anyhow, good luck.
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Who care about this horse he isn't much never will be.
HE'S Baaack) 43xc.2
Bet on him @ Chester this Sunday,Race 2? He'll make it 3 in a row
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second AGAIN in sub 1:50
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second AGAIN in sub 1:50
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i'm here.
I'm very, very happy for you, the horse and everyone else.
They must have read my posts and dropped him hard.
So far 18,000 miles of shipping and 1 win at Pompano. ngc3 ngc3
As an aside, it's not lost on me the horse he outfinished last week did ok up north last night. Aside from Filibuster (maybe), how bad are the 4 yo's?
Anyway, congratss!
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Sat in from 3rd heading to far turn and got lucky to even have clearance. Was all out against a cheap garbage can and was completely unimpressive. A rat.
Not sure what races your watching,,, angbk
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RACE 4 - Yonkers Raceway - NY - June 9, 2018
Conditions: NON-WINNERS OF $30,000 IN LAST 5 STARTS
Gait: Pace Purse: $27,500 Class: NW30000L5 Distance: 1 mile Track Cond: FT Temp-Allow: 76-0 Off Time: 8:24 PM
HN Horse PP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Finish Actual LQ Odds Driver Trainer
1 Caviart Luca 1 2/2 1/1H 1/T 1/H 1/NS 1:51.2 28.3 *1.00 George Brennan Ron Burke
2 Alotbettor N 2 3/3H 3°/2H 2°/T 2/H 2/NS 1:51.2 28.2 7.00 Joe Bongiorno Jennifer Bongiorno
5 Western Dynasty 5 1/2 2/1H 3/1H 3/1T 3/H 1:51.2 28.2 1.55 Jason Bartlett Richard Banca
4 Mcerlean 4 5/6H 5°/5T 4°/4Q 4/4H 4/2Q 1:51.4 28.1 36.25 Brent Holland Darran Cassar
6 Proven Desire 6 6/8H 6°/7H 6°/6 5/5T 5/2H 1:51.4 27.4 13.90 Daniel Dube Rene Allard
7 Mister Daytona N 7 7/10T 7/9H 7/6T 6/7 6/2T 1:52.0 27.4 29.75 Brian Sears Mike Simons
3 Bell I No 3 4/5 4°/4 5/5 7/8Q 7/7Q 1:52.4 29.0 24.50 Jordan Stratton William Adamczyk
8 Waikiki Beach A 8 8/12T 8/11H 8/8T 8/11Q 8/12 1:53.4 29.1 22.20 Eric Goodell Ross Croghan
Time: 26.3 55.1 (28.3) 1:22.4 (27.3) 1:51.2 (28.3)
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clearly something aint right with him racingn at yawnkers
so why didnt you post when he paced sub 1:50 back to back????
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Lower classes are not what he was brought here for. He can compete with lesser. He cannot compete with upper echelon horses.
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I noticed Waikiki Beach A is in at Poconos this Saturday but I don't see Heaven Rocks A entered anywhere. Does anyone know where his next race will be?
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I noticed Waikiki Beach A is in at Poconos this Saturday but I don't see Heaven Rocks A entered anywhere. Does anyone know where his next race will be?
Invite in canada
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Invite in canada
WHEN WILL WE SEE MEL?
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WHEN WILL WE SEE MEL?
Invite in Alabama
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Invite in canada
Thank you
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Invite in Alabama
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He just told you a flat out LIE, cause he don't know
That was last weeks plan
If you’ve ever owned a horse
You’d know things change
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That was last weeks plan
If you’ve ever owned a horse
You’d know things change
They must have forgot to ask your permission not to enter him.
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Jared's lieing again
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Headed to the franklin
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He is not good enough to beat 10'000 claimers.s
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Headed to the franklin
We are talking about Heaven Rocks A going to the Franklin right? This horse is really fast but can be pretty rank at times. Going to the winners circle he slammed on the brakes and almost tossed Miller out of the bike.
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We are talking about Heaven Rocks A going to the Franklin right? This horse is really fast but can be pretty rank at times. Going to the winners circle he slammed on the brakes and almost tossed Miller out of the bike.
Yes that is where they are pointing him towards at the moment
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Just got off phone with Ross
Tried to enter rocks in great northeast didn’t fill
Week off
Gearing to franklin
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Waikiki Beach A SCR IJ-------what happened now?
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Waikiki Beach A SCR IJ-------what happened now?
U a classic FLY 73cv.2
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Just got off phone with Ross
Tried to enter rocks in great northeast didn’t fill
Week off
Gearing to franklin
You were right on Heaven Rocks all along.