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Title: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: bello on January 02, 2024, 03:02:52 PM

I see Braiden Rhoades took over his horses as of yesterday.

Did he plead guilty and take the 60 days or does this start his 1 year ban?

Braiden still using Merriman but my guess is we will continue to see a barn downturn.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: Locked in with pace on January 02, 2024, 03:51:41 PM
what med was the 1 year for?
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: jupiter on January 02, 2024, 03:54:54 PM
Same shit, different people. Just insert a new name, it just goes on and on. Sad but reality
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: SwankToliverA on January 02, 2024, 04:00:21 PM
what med was the 1 year for?



Methamphetamine
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on January 02, 2024, 04:00:29 PM
what med was the 1 year for?
I heard it was crystal meth but I am not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: SwankToliverA on January 02, 2024, 04:01:22 PM
Bello haven't heard anything about it recently. This isn't the first time Braiden has been listed though, since it happened.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: SwankToliverA on January 02, 2024, 04:02:53 PM
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/meth-positives-in-ohio-two-harness-racing-trainers-handed-one-year-suspensions/
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: Dingus on January 02, 2024, 04:19:40 PM
https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/meth-positives-in-ohio-two-harness-racing-trainers-handed-one-year-suspensions/

Gotta love if not appealed the suspension is reduced from 365 to 60 days.
If the racing commission is so sure of their findings, why are they afraid of an appeal?
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: SwankToliverA on January 02, 2024, 05:17:09 PM
I believe it's still on appeal- he appealed on 2/11/23
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: bello on January 02, 2024, 05:20:12 PM
Below are excerpts from an interview with DRF. it is from 03-23-23. with Derick Giwner.

He was adamant he was innocent and not going to take the 60 days. Than crickets. That is why I am asking. Guessing something happened which his son is listed as trainer/beard?  Would him and/or his vet wife be low enough to juice while their kid is listed as trainer. My guess is no. But who knows.

"Let’s discuss the elephant in the room, the Class 1 positive test by Sheswildnfree, who you trained on November 8, 2022 in a victory. First, are you innocent and did you appeal the one-year suspension?

Yes I am innocent. I also declined their offer. By them going from one year to 60 days shows me they know that I didn’t do this.

You mentioned the Ohio Racing Commission offering a 60-day reduced sentence if you didn’t appeal. Was that ever a viable option from your perspective just to get it over with?

Never was it an option. I can’t admit guilt to something I’m not guilty of. By taking the 60 days would be saying I authorized my horse to receive methamphetamine.

The appeal is also to challenge the OSRC rules in general. The purpose of the rules is to prevent intentional use of medication for performance enhancement so that the integrity of racing is maintained. What needs to be reviewed by the Commission is the fact that laboratory instruments are becoming more and more refined, detecting the smallest amounts of substances, down to trace amounts, that were previously not detectible. When the sophistication of the equipment increases, finding substances that otherwise went undetected but were probably present, the next obvious question is, is the amount of methamphetamine found performance enhancing? The OSRC will not provide us with the quantity, yet, which is imperative to our argument.

Some sources are claiming the positive was a result of tainted urine from a caretaker. Do you believe that to be true?

We are trying to discover what was contaminated that the horse came into contact with that resulted in possibly being found in her sample. We are not ruling out that the contamination could have occurred after her race, either while the sample was being drawn or at the lab. The source and timing of the contamination is questionable, knowing I did not administer the drug or any other medication that has Methamphetamine as a component


The transmissibility of methamphetamine from human consumption through contact with a horse is a factor that has to be considered. The increase of recreational drug usage in humans has become so prominent that the opportunities for contamination have increased exponentially, making virtually impossible to monitor a horse every second of the day. Contamination can occur in stalls in the test barns. Stalls that a trainer has no control over cleaning and sanitizing. Bedding, stall walls, and drinking water are examples of how horses can test positive for a medication through contamination.

The application of what is known as the “absolute insurer rule” seems to have given the OSRC the attitude that a trainer never has a defense to a medication positive when there is no threshold listed. It is the OSRC’s responsibility to periodically review its policies and medication levels to keep up with the ever-changing technology and environmental contaminates that directly influence the testing done, but not answering the ultimate question, which is, in the mere presence of a prohibited substance, performance enhancing, which is in the OSRC rules."
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on January 02, 2024, 06:02:11 PM
Contamination excuse is such BULLSHIT. More people take tylenol and aleve. How come horses aren't coming up positive for that?
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: shamrock stable on January 02, 2024, 07:54:50 PM
So what really happened was the tongue tie fell on the ground. There was meth residue from the previous groom on the ground where the tongue tie fell. Clearly the ground was contaminated which contaminated the tongue tie which then contaminated the horse. It's so easy.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: shotgunner on January 02, 2024, 09:56:00 PM
I see Braiden Rhoades took over his horses as of yesterday.

Did he plead guilty and take the 60 days or does this start his 1 year ban?

Braiden still using Merriman but my guess is we will continue to see a barn downturn.

Last I heard Ohio was not licensing him as a trainer. Which, okay that’s fine. But then they let his kid race? Kinda takes away from the punishment.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: Parked on January 02, 2024, 10:05:38 PM
So what really happened was the tongue tie fell on the ground. There was meth residue from the previous groom on the ground where the tongue tie fell. Clearly the ground was contaminated which contaminated the tongue tie which then contaminated the horse. It's so easy.
I remember when they supplied tongue ties at Pompano and watched you put them on.  People were putting nitroglycerine in the ties.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: okdfool on January 02, 2024, 10:12:15 PM
Last I heard Ohio was not licensing him as a trainer. Which, okay that’s fine. But then they let his kid race? Kinda takes away from the punishment.


LOL! So he's the groom now and his kid is the trainer? That's funny , he's on the grounds every day so nothing really changed , only Ohio, even Tricia S sneaks on the grounds what a joke! Ohio
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: drink more beer on January 02, 2024, 10:19:24 PM
Business as usually!
Im not bagging on no one!
Everybody and i mean EVERYBODY does shady shit!
 Just some get caught . cant push to hard!
Greed all i gotta say!
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: The Exporter on January 03, 2024, 07:54:15 AM
Look at his numbers before the positive test and look at them after. Any difference?
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: shamrock stable on January 03, 2024, 10:43:21 AM
i find it very odd that william rhoades has gone down this road. he learned from his step father whom was a very good horseman and very straight and narrow. he was a very hard worker and one hell of a horseman. just suprises me he has went down this path with possitives and speculations.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: okdfool on January 03, 2024, 01:35:46 PM
Someone got to him maybe he owes someone 🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: rainman2 on January 03, 2024, 11:51:02 PM
Contamination excuse is such BULLSHIT. More people take tylenol and aleve. How come horses aren't coming up positive for that?

FYI, trainers were getting positives for using over the counter products from GNC too!  And from what was said, the labels didn't contain the proper information!!
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: Parked on January 04, 2024, 08:07:24 AM
If your trainer is hay and oats you have no worry.
Ignorance is no excuse to break the law. 

For those trainers who get positive there are 100’s that race clean.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: okdfool on January 04, 2024, 04:34:04 PM
i find it very odd that william rhoades has gone down this road. he learned from his step father whom was a very good horseman and very straight and narrow. he was a very hard worker and one hell of a horseman. just suprises me he has went down this path with possitives and speculations.

He wasn't really up and up, especially at the end he got plenty of positives on that good Trotter he had, lol
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: diggin up dirt on April 27, 2024, 03:28:35 PM
you people on here are clueless! a leading trainer would no way risk giving methamphetamine to a horse now a days with the testing thresholds that are in place.stuff is being used and not being detected and the leading trainers have that,but not street drugs.you cant get away with that these days.come on yall know better.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: Harness racer on April 27, 2024, 03:53:35 PM
Excellent first post on a thread from early January.  You are an early nominee in the moron newcomer category!  tmbz1
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: Ramnap on April 27, 2024, 04:52:50 PM
Someone got to him maybe he owes someone 🤷‍♀️

Roy was lethal he was one of the first to feed em piperazine. Better double check he made em go as good or better than anyone.
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: SwankToliverA on April 27, 2024, 06:40:41 PM
you people on here are clueless! a leading trainer would no way risk giving methamphetamine to a horse now a days with the testing thresholds that are in place.stuff is being used and not being detected and the leading trainers have that,but not street drugs.you cant get away with that these days.come on yall know better.
It's hard to say what a trainer who uses illegal substances would or wouldn't use. Nothing surprises me anymore, what some of these assholes put in the veins of their equine athletes.
Rhoades is no Saint, that's for sure....
Title: Re: Billy Rhoades update?
Post by: samstar on April 27, 2024, 07:16:08 PM
You would have to be brain dead to use Meth on a horse.  Nobody in his right mind would even consider using Meth.  Billy is not brain dead.
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