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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Toughluck10hole on August 17, 2018, 11:58:18 PM
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Date of race; Aug 9 2018
Race #10
Tag # 53 18221018
The sample did contain Cobalt measured at 130 ng/ml (class 3) Horse; Across Hanover, finished 2nd
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Wow this should be very punishable
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Shocking! ><
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Can't be true. Chody pissed in the hay.
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Not confirmed but heard he also had a DUI last week.
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Where do you find the test info?
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Where do you find the test info?
Standardbred Canada website under agco reports
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Thanks.
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Sintra never got any last start!!!
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Sintra never got any last start!!!
Maybe tonight ?
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Pure BS.
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http://standardbredcanada.ca/files/2018-08-17_MOH_SJR_1937.pdf
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THIS IS ONE OF BURKES BEARDS.
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both true dui and cobalt still raced tonight at mohawk
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Where's that Canadian "Integrity" that was bragged about the same time as gural was talking about it?
Appears they are the SAME as gural. TALK a good game but little action. ESPECIALLY when it's someone they like.
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very sad for racing,the customers have no protection
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Daddy spends lots of money to keep him out of jail and in harness racing
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So they post his Cobalt positive but let him race. 94z.sm
He had 4 horses in last night with 2 winners one second and one off the board (Sintra). 68xv.2
How can any Racing Board defend not protecting the public from this cheater? 11.dt
All his horses should have been scratched and tested clean before allowed to race again. hcx.1
No matter where you race or where you bet there is absolutely no protection against these criminals. 77z.chf
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there would be no horsemen left lol
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Some guys know how to fix the system in their favor.
Oosting has 6 or 7 DUI arrests listed on his record but has somehow managed to only get convicted 3 times.
Yet even with 3 convictions he managed to get off basically scott free. 91zxa.1
Nobody I know of or been told about has ever gotten off as easy as Oosting. Why? Lawyer? Crooked judges?
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Whats really sad is cobalt is a mineral its not a drug...its a big componet of vitamin b 12 ..i think most of you take this lol
its probably found in every blood builder sold in the horse race industry...why you ask ??? BECAUSE IT WORKS !!
im not sure a horse has ever died from cobalt
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Since this news broke Menary has been on a roll. 68xv.2
Just now his only entry at Woodbine wins the 5th race Grassroots going away at 5/2.
How do you smile in the winners circle when you know your trainer got caught using Cobalt?
Instead of backing off and laying low until his positive is adjudicated Menary is on a money grab till he gets suspended.
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id hate to think im the only horseman on here but incase you didnt know ..NO ONE HAS STOPPED USING EPOGEN AND ITS 10X MORE POTENT THEN COBALT...
ONLY WAY TO GET CAUGHT USING EPOGEN IS HORSE HAS TO BE TESTED WITHIN 2 DAYS OF GETTING THE SHOT LOL
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Whats really sad is cobalt is a mineral its not a drug...its a big componet of vitamin b 12 ..i think most of you take this lol
its probably found in every blood builder sold in the horse race industry...why you ask ??? BECAUSE IT WORKS !!
im not sure a horse has ever died from cobalt
erythropoietin is found in the body too. Excess cobalt can cause organ failure. So, they're trading off the possible performing enhancing effects (unproven) for organ damage.
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Colbalt is a TRACE mineral , these guys are using massive doses to cause a rush of red blood cells. And yes there have been horses die from getting Overdosed with it and it is not a good death!!
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To start with its a heavy metal and the body of a human or a equine athlete overtime...it can't be be broken down. At that point it accumulates in the body and that's why organs start to fail or death. It's disgusting this shit is still being used, when most places have a test for it. Maybe these guys should mix it in with there jack and coke for a couple months and see how they feel.
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Nobody I know of or been told about has ever gotten off as easy as Oosting. Why? Lawyer? Crooked judges?
LUCPARK CAN DO MAGIC tmbz1
DONT BE HATING JUNIOR ;D ;D ;D :P :P
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Judges gave Menary 7 days to come back with an explanation for the cobalt overage. That would be by Saturday August 25th.
Who has an idea , as to what Dave will say...and what will happen...…..purse..fine..days ?????
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LUCPARK CAN DO MAGIC tmbz1
DONT BE HATING JUNIOR ;D ;D ;D :P :P
Did you get new elevator shoes,,,
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Did you get new elevator shoes,,,
nikes off the bait truck
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nikes off the bait truck
parked in his area FACT
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parked in his area FACT
yes
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yes
blax
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No updates on Menarys reason for cobalt overage yet?
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From the AGCO judges report August 24 at Mohawk
Trainer Dave Menary was in and submitted documents to the Judges regarding his
cobalt overage. Judges will review the documents and then set a review date with
Menary
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THIS IS ONE OF BURKES BEARDS.
Why does Burke need a beard he races on hay and oats
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What a fucking joke. Last night judges gave Menary 7 days to accept their offer for the cobalt overage. The fucker was caught give him his penalty, Ontario or should I say AGCO are complete jokes and all judges and the whole fucking regulatory body needs to be fired. We are no different than Pennsylvania, crooked as hell.
Wouldn’t it be nice for criminals to pick and chose sentencing time?
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LET ME SEE IF I GET THE JUST IF THIS.
HE WAS GIVEN AN OFFER NOW HE CAN EXCEPT THE OFFER IN 7 DAY OR WHAT?
ONTARIO THE NEW PENN. bndg
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please don’t speak of what you do not know. There is know rule stating if you have a criminal record you can not have a license
Eh, let’s maybe not split hairs here. That's a lose/lose. The general rule in fact is you cannot hold a license with a felony conviction on your record. I don’t know anything about this person's situation specifically, but under most circumstances, it is true that a first-time conviction for driving under the influence is a misdemeanor and you would have a point. However, there are circumstances under which a DUI can be charged as a felony crime. Therefore there could be some credence to Iceman’s statement, as well. Is it your intention to deny that?
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Eh, let’s maybe not split hairs here. That's a lose/lose. The general rule in fact is you cannot hold a license with a felony conviction on your record. I don’t know anything about this person's situation specifically, but under most circumstances, it is true that a first-time conviction for driving under the influence is a misdemeanor and you would have a point. However, there are circumstances under which a DUI can be charged as a felony crime. Therefore there could be some credence to Iceman’s statement, as well. Is it your intention to deny that?
IM CALLING JOE DIRT NOW
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ANY CHANCE BURKE IS INVOLVED WITH HIM
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ANY CHANCE BURKE IS INVOLVED WITH HIM
burke owns a 2yo he has
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icemans post said “no one with a criminal record” can have a license that is false!!!
And like I said, you’re just splitting hairs. The fact of the matter is also that people on this forum very often test credulity with their use of the word ‘criminal’ after watching too many episodes of Law and Order to the extent that it has little to no meaning here anyway. You might first have to put it back into some kind of meaningful context before quibbling about anyone’s use of it. It’s not like you cited the exact verbiage that would have accurately quoted the rules yourself. More than likely they use words to the effect of ‘felony record’. Which yes, I’d argue is essentially saying ‘criminal’.
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IM CALLING JOE DIRT NOW
Knock yourself out. ::)
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please don’t speak of what you do not know. There is know rule stating if you have a criminal record you can not have a license
Yes there is... Commissions dont seem to use it any more...
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And like I said, you’re just splitting hairs. The fact of the matter is also that people on this forum very often test credulity with their use of the word ‘criminal’ after watching too many episodes of Law and Order to the extent that it has little to no meaning here anyway. You might first have to put it back into some kind of meaningful context before quibbling about anyone’s use of it. It’s not like you cited the exact verbiage that would have accurately quoted the rules yourself. More than likely they use words to the effect of ‘felony record’. Which yes, I’d argue is essentially saying ‘criminal’.
CANT U JUST SAY A MISDEMEANOR CAN GET A WAIVER AND A FELONY CANT? VS ALL THE BULLSHIT?
YOU WANT TO MAKE IT PERSONAL THEN CRY LIKE A BITCH WHEN CALLED OUT...YOU LOOKED BETTER QUIET
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Menary wins $95,738 Champlain Stakes with Quebec Blue Chip with an outstanding Cobalt positive. 91zxa.1
No action taken on a Cobalt positive thats way over the limit while Menary keeps stealing purse money. 94z.sm
I guess Canada is no better than Penn or any other slimy U.S. harness jurisdiction. angbk
Cheaters rule! 77z.chf 91.jzail
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They finally ruled.
Cobalt overage a Class III ??????
It doesn't mention about returning the purse
I guess David did not include that in HIS recommendation !
MENARY,DAVID L
ON - POSITIVE TEST - CLASS III
Commission Rule Number : 9.09(B),26.02.01,26.02.02.26.02.03(C)
Date Issued : 11-SEP-2018
Total Due : 1000.00
Violation Occurred : Race 10 at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK on 09-AUG-2018
horse ACROSS HANOVER
Suspended From 23-SEP-2018 To 07-OCT-2018 (Full Suspension)
( He has some big Stake races coming up......don't let his suspension affect those days )
The Ontario Racing Commission has become a big joke........since AGCO took over.
MENARY,DAVID L
ON - POSITIVE TEST - CONDITIONS PER ORC POLICY DIRECTIVE 3-2008
PROBATION FROM OCT 8 2018 TO OCT 7 2020
Commission Rule Number : POLICY DIRECTIVE 3-2008
Date Issued : 11-SEP-2018
Violation Occurred : at WOODBINE MOHAWK PARK
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Last time he was suspended I think the horses were under Gaetan Hebert's name. Menary's horse won and he was in the winner's circle. I think there's even a photo in one of the old woodbine/mohawk threads.
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Here's one of the posts and this is true what he said. Chody kept referring to Menary as trainer.
When Sintra won the Canadian Pacing Derby Final Gaetan M Hebert was listed as trainer.
Trainer Dave Menary was/is listed as one of the owners.
When Jamison was doing his interview he kept giving credit to Menary then correcting himself to Hebert.
Tonight in Mohawk's 10th race Sintra is back and in the Preferred this time with Menary listed as trainer.
Why was Hebert listed as trainer for the Canadian Pacing Derby?
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Double Secret PROBATION FROM OCT 8 2018 TO OCT 7 2020 ngc3
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Here's the photo. He comes in the winner's circle in one race, then changes out his colors after we're talking about it in the thread about how is he there if he's suspended.
(https://i.imgur.com/0k2nKcz.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/52BRrJW.png)
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Last time he was suspended I think the horses were under Gaetan Hebert's name. Menary's horse won and he was in the winner's circle. I think there's even a photo in one of the old woodbine/mohawk threads.
He had a suspension for being drunk in the paddock
Nothing to do with any positives
He was permitted on the grandstand from what people were told
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Here's how stupid they think we are:
https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/9-2-17/mohawk-saturday-stakes-underway.html
A four-year-old gelding by Mach Three out of the Rocknroll Hanover mare Dancin Barefoot, Sintra, owned by Brad Gray, Michael Guerriero, and Menary Racing Inc., won his eighth race in 13 starts this year and his 16th in 32nd overall, earning $882,385. Trained by Gaetan Hebert and driven by Jody Jamieson, he paid $27.40 to win.
https://youtu.be/rFefRa0nrwU?t=7m32s
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He had a suspension for being drunk in the paddock
Nothing to do with any positives
He was permitted on the grandstand from what people were told
Allowed in the grandstand yet in his colors for the winning interview. Give me a break. I don't even know why they bother testing the horses.
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Allowed in the grandstand yet in his colors for the winning interview. Give me a break. I don't even know why they bother testing the horses.
Well that’s all I was told I asked other trainers
They all tell me he’s a drunk and has had multiple DUIs in the past
Just saying
That suspension had nothing to do with any positive tests
Anyways owner guirero sold all his horses with other trainers on Ongait a few weeks ago
Seems like he will stick to the gas trainers
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PROBATION AND 1 K
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GREAT
ANOTHER Oo
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NOSE CAUGHT IN PENCIL SHARPNER OR BOTTLE?
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I believe that he was under suspension and the horses were
In Hebert name BUT when it was race day the suspension had ended
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SOUNDS LIKE BURKE HELPED HIM.
TEFLON
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I believe that he was under suspension and the horses were
In Hebert name BUT when it was race day the suspension had ended
THATS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
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The penalty and fine is a joke, and the date of when his suspension starts allows this cheating fuck to win some big pots this weekend. Ontario now leads the way of turning a blind eye and doing nothing. Watch now some little fuck who is sick and tired of always finishing up the track to these chemists will take a shot and they will suspend the guy for life when he gets caught. The AGCO should be torn down and rebuilt with persons who will do something.
Should have been 90 days. 10,000 fine. Wtf is $1000???? They will probably allow all menary racing owned horses to transfer to another trainer, making it an even bigger joke.
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another very sad day for our sport
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another very sad day for our sport
a day just like any other....endless days until cash drys up
ask Wiz...
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Nice of AGCO to approve trainer and ownership transfers so Menarys horses can still race. What exactly is the point of even giving him a 15 day suspension?
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Probation should include out of competition testing at the trainers expense as well. And yes, forget days, just amp up the fines . This sport is getting fucking ridiculous.
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Probation should include out of competition testing at the trainers expense as well. And yes, forget days, just amp up the fines . This sport is getting fucking ridiculous.
I AINT PAYIN TO PROVE IM CLEAN AND IM NOT EVEN IN THE BOX 11.lgzh
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As a small owner, cheaters are what will prompt me to stop being involved.
Already a big gamble trying to find a decent horse.
Now you have to find one that is 20% better than decent to compete with the dirty fucks.
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MENARY,DAVID L
ON - POSITIVE TESTS FOR COBALT
TAKEN FROM THE HORSES DEETZY AND SINTRA
TWO YEARS PROBATION JUNE 10, 2021 TO JUNE 9, 2023, PURSUANT TO RULE 6.01(D) AND
Commission Rule Number : 1.09, 6.04, 26.02.01, 26.02.02, 26.02.03(C) AND POLICY DIRECTIVE NO. 1-2018
Date Issued : 23-MAY-2019
Total Due : 10000.00
Suspended From 10-JUN-2019 To 09-JUN-2021 (Full Suspension)
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MENARY,DAVID L
ON - POSITIVE TESTS FOR COBALT
TAKEN FROM THE HORSES DEETZY AND SINTRA
TWO YEARS PROBATION JUNE 10, 2021 TO JUNE 9, 2023, PURSUANT TO RULE 6.01(D) AND
Commission Rule Number : 1.09, 6.04, 26.02.01, 26.02.02, 26.02.03(C) AND POLICY DIRECTIVE NO. 1-2018
Date Issued : 23-MAY-2019
Total Due : 10000.00
Suspended From 10-JUN-2019 To 09-JUN-2021 (Full Suspension)
Should have been a lifetime banding
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THAT'S A START, GET THE REST OF THEM.
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MENARY,DAVID L
ON - MUST COMPLETE SATISFACTORY QUALIFYING DRIVES
MUST COMPLETE 9 SATISFACTORY DRIVES BY DEC.31,2019 BEFORE OVERNIGHT ALLOWED
Commission Rule Number : 25.02.02 (III)
Date Issued : 16-JUN-2019
Violation Occurred : at GEORGIAN DOWNS on 15-JUN-2019 horse SHOES GALORE
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Full fledged member of the Standardbred Chemistry Club !!
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Now he wants his A drivers license,,WTF is happening..why the fuck do we have a commission if NOTHING is done to these POS...and he got ALL gis horses back..no beard trainers...
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Really
How is this guy down as trainer on Saturday night
I assume he has appealed his suspension but come on
How bad does this look
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It looks and is, terrible for the industry.
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ANOTHER BLACK EYE ON THE SPORT
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Cleared to race. End of story. Now fuck off. There will be no impact on handle tonight as usual. Fuckin crybabies.
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"Cleared to race. End of story. Now fuck off."
He's a chemist. He's a cheat. He's bad for the business.
I'm not crying. I'm communicating how much I disrespect dirty racing.
You and he can both fuck off.
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We need Howard Taylor, the sport's preeminent owner, to speak up on this issue.
How can he possibly remain silent any longer?
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WEG no longer has private property, the purses are subsidized by government! So they can't bar any licensed individual
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WEG no longer has private property, the purses are subsidized by government! So they can't bar any licensed individual
You might want to ask Rick Zeron about that.
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Cleared to race. End of story. Now fuck off. There will be no impact on handle tonight as usual. Fuckin crybabies.
congrats horse abuser.
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WEG no longer has private property, the purses are subsidized by government! So they can't bar any licensed individual
What?
WEG is still private property. The government has been subsidizing, and collecting taxes from Racing for over 50 years.
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You might want to ask Rick Zeron about that.
Is Zeron The Rat officially barred or just too cowardly to face anyone because that shoe certainly fits too.
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congrats horse abuser.
I'm sorry, but I don't connect the dots of guys with positive tests being horse abusers.
Menary's horses were always as fat and shiny and well taken care of as any, as are most of the horses of the guys that end up with positives from trying to exploit an edge. He cheated, he got caught, several times, he's paying the price. But I can guarantee the guy loves horses, they were his life's work.
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If you could see their liver you might not think they are as healthy as they appear from the ouside.
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If you could see their liver you might not think they are as healthy as they appear from the ouside.
I guarantee you that Dave's liver is much worse.
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"Menary's horses were always as fat and shiny and well taken care of as any" .... Sure they were, until he had prematurely sucked the life out of them, then they are discarded like trash.
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If you could see their liver you might not think they are as healthy as they appear from the ouside.
yup..just like the one that was dead on the trailer heading to woodbine..yeah, he cares.