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And a total dud at stud..wonder why he didnt race at 4Gee he gave us Camelot Hall an afterthought from the deep 2004c3 yo division
Irrelevant. We are talking about 3 year old RACEHORSES dickface.
Confederate did not look himself warming up last night. He looked even more not himself during the race warm up, scoring down, etc...and he raced like it. He was not himself from the get go. It would not have made that much of a difference. He would have been third at best. No, not a great drive by TT, but he played the cards he was dealt. He had little he could do. I am sure all the internet-based, armchair drivers will have plenty to say. Confederate was very keyed up, on the bit, but that too wouldn't have made a difference. Losing did not hurt his stud value at all. People who would breed to him are not going to change their mind because of last night. Losing last night didn't make a difference on the stallion side of this. Blow to Adam's ego, sure, I can see that, but stud value, doesn't matter. Breeders will breed to him because he was extremely dominant over his peers. Argue whether it's a weak crop or not, but being extremely dominant is what will fill his book. As far as where he ranks against the best of other classes, well it's simple, you can either look at stats, accomplishments, and so on...or you can know what you are looking at and look at the how he does what he does. Very talented horse. I like how he did what he did. He's got the tools. I am just not putting him in the class of the best 3yo's I have seen in the last 30 years or so.
Not getting his way soured him up. Few will remember him for his set up mile in a very short field . He will be remembered for not firing when the going got tough.
No doubt. He got a bit hot being 6 wide heading into the first turn and then having to sprint up only to be put in a hole. As far as his record mile, it's a marketing point. Breeders are looking at how he did what he did in his entire body of work, and not in that race. They needed a fast time for him and that's how they got it.
Duh..im talking about Artsplace as an aged pacer and Bythemissal aint even close.Somehow this horse has a ton of fanboys who are so consumed with Confederate hate that they are forgetting their superstar Bythemissal didnt win last night
Mike, I agree with a lot of what you have said, but he will get 140 stud fees of $20,000 (or the equivalent from purchase of shares in the syndicate if/when one is done) for $2,800,000 for 2024, 2025 and 2026 (by which time people will start to get a flavor of his success as a sire, thus increasing/decreasing/steadying that stud fee and income.) That is $8.4mm guaranteed income. While as an owner and super fan I would love to see him race at 4, the economics are just too compelling for them to take the chance that he has a "flat" season and damages his future income stream. Also, even if he were successful he is unlikely to earn half of his stud fees for 2024 and is also unlikely to enhance his stud fees going forward, so the decision to put him on the bench, while not admirable, is totally understandable.
Sweet Lou who I love had a disappointing 4 year old campaign and his 3 year old season was very up and down. He was a monster at 5 but even a bigger stud making coin for Adam and the crew
This is true, and I get it. They managed him to look as good as possible. For those who saw his record mile..yeah, he went that fast but it was handed to him on a silver platter. I really like the horse, and I'm not disputing he's really talented, but I have certainly seen way more tough individuals in my life. That said, what does that mean in the breeding shed? Muscle Hill never faced anything that even gave him a concern so who knows how tough he was. The one horse who out-toughed SBSW did exactly zero as a sire. I guess we'll all see.
Agreed. He didn't look good at all last night, but like I said, it won't hurt him at all with the breeders. His fast mile is meaningless as far his ability or talent. Like I said, it's marketing. Nothing more. The breeders, people whose opinion actually counts as far as Bowden is concerned will look at "how" he did what he did, not "how fast" he went in that mile because like you said it was handed to him. They are looking at him as a stallion. You are right about MH. Look at who he did it against, vs. how he did what he did. His peers meant nothing for his stallion career. SBSW is the perfect example however. Idiots spout his defeat and the fact that he skipped the LBJ. It means nothing as people who know, whose opinion counts, count him has the greatest horse to look through a bridle since Niatross or whomever they picked as their previous best.Many experts felt the same about Artsplace. Not Precious Bunny, not Die Laughing, and so on (from that or other crops as a whole). Artsplace was far more talented than all of his peers. He was not healthy for any substantial period of time as a 3yo, but qualified, expert, breeders opinions didn't change because of that. Although he was still extremely competitive at 3. Then he showed what he was really made of at 4. People looked at how he did what he did and they knew what they were looking at. As far as pedigree, I like Confederate's maternal family a lot, but that doesn't mean I am waiting in line to breed to him or buy a yearling by him. For me, it would be individual, not sire.
