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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: London on March 06, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
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All owners toast ..Gural not letting any of his owners to race at any if his tracks.
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All tracks should follow until it is settled on way or another.
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agree owners are totally to blame suspend these cheater supporters
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Gural statement on Allard training center
March 6, 2021, from The Meadowlands Media Relations Department
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East Rutherford, NJ — Management at The Meadowlands has become aware that Rene Allard is training a stable of horses in South Florida. As a result, The Meadowlands, Tioga Downs and Vernon Downs will exclude any horse being trained or that has been trained in that stable in any stake and is actively investigating who owns the horses that are or have been in his stable this winter.
Those owners who currently have or have had horses in Allard’s stable this winter are advised that all horses owned wholly or in part by them will be excluded from participation in all the races at The Meadowlands, Tioga Downs and Vernon Downs and that all of horses owned wholly or in part by them will be deemed ineligible to for any/all administered stakes races at The Meadowlands, Tioga Downs and Vernon Downs for a minimum of three years.
If owners affected by the above are a minority partner on horses with owners that are not affected by the above and are being trained by accepted trainers, they must legitimately divest their interest in those horses, which will be required and demonstrated to the satisfaction of The Meadowlands before the March 15 stakes payments will be accepted on those horses.
The affected owners should notify their partners on the horses that fall into the above category immediately.
“This news is particularly disturbing after the indictments of March and a later superseding charge in December of last year,” said Jeff Gural, president of The Meadowlands. “We, along with the Jockey Club, spent much time and money employing the Five Stones investigators to prepare a case to get the Feds interested which led to all of those indictments. We will continue to partner with the Jockey Club to fund the continuing investigation by Five Stones. We could use support in this initiative and welcome anyone who would like to aid in the funding of this necessary and important endeavor.
“To learn that people actually give this guy horses to train after what was discovered by the Federal investigation boggles the mind. The only reason to do this, that I do this, is to clean up racing so we might have a future and to protect the guys that do try to follow the rules.
“Horsemen seem to have this absurd unspoken bond that they protect each other. Well let me be perfectly clear, trainers that break the rules and use Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) are stealing from you, not me. They are beating your horse with a PED enhanced horse then, they are buying or claiming your horse and them beating you with your own horse. I just don’t get it.”
The Meadowlands investigator, Brice Cote, will respond to questions at Bcote@playmeadowlands.com.
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Good for you Mr Gural. Fuck allard and his owners !
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Gural statement on Allard training center
“To learn that people actually give this guy horses to train after what was discovered by the Federal investigation boggles the mind.
:o NOT
96z.p RAs response to the industry
So who are these owners anyway?
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go gural
no allard until if ever he and others are cleared
no beards, no hidden ownership etc
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banded them all
i think the owners should be allowed to stay in the game but not if they have anything to do with allard until he is ever cleared of his charges
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Good for gural. It's why as a bettor the big m is the only track that I play regularly. Not denying the track has some blemishes (all do) but big m most above board. Gural at least making an effort.
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If they are paying a suspended and indicted trainers they should be thrown out too. What they going to claim they didn’t know he was crooked. Lol. Wonder how many Crawford has with him
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What a fuckin hypocrit
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Gural needs to name names. 91zxa.1
Instead of leaving us to have to play the Kevin Beacon 6 degrees of Separation game and guess who these beards are, name them so there is no doubt. tmbz1
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Now been a year since these indictments went out. When is there going to be some action to get rid of these scum bags. Allard is carrying on business as usual and he should be in jail. Good for Gural, like him or not, at least he is taking a stand not only against Allard, but also his owners.
Like him or not ? How can anyone not like Gural, all the good he's done for harness racing! There would be no Meadowlands, no Tioga, no Vernon Downs. Every race would be rigged by the chemist, and you guys wouldn't be in on the dope. The only ones who don't like Gural are the cheaters, or they're jealous of the man.
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If they are paying a suspended and indicted trainers they should be thrown out too. What they going to claim they didn’t know he was crooked. Lol. Wonder how many Crawford has with him
I'm sure Crawfords have many with him, they are the biggest cheaters of all. Its all about money and winning, they have no scruples. But they do donate lots of $500. & $1000. breedings to try and look good, LOL.
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All owners toast ..Gural not letting any of his owners to race at any if his tracks.
Gural always has been a C*nt ngc3
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Allard's lawyers obviously feel that he will win his case.
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Too many beards in this game. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who they are.
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Interesting, to say the least. While I believe a track has the right to exclude, has Gural excluded the owners of Nick Suckdick"s and Rick Danish's horses? Weaver/Bruscemi, IF Gural was actually concerned about integrity, would be excluded as well, along with most owners.
Sincerely, Silent One
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Sandals will start training soon
Freehold king ready to go racing
Look out
Seems indicated are going about business
Until proving guilty
Do U agree.
Idk
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I guess it’s a fuck. you to the gambler and good owners honest Trainers and horsemen
And indicted feel they can do what they want
I guess they can. Until they stopped
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Where was this training center ? Same place where oaks is or should I say t wine ?
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I'm sure Crawfords have many with him, they are the biggest cheaters of all. Its all about money and winning, they have no scruples. But they do donate lots of $500. & $1000. breedings to try and look good, LOL.
The Crawfords have never had horses with Allard.
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Rene's motto to his lawyer and Jeff Gural.."Win or lose,we drink the booze"..he's just a complete drunken dysfunctional frenchmen who will take many down with him once he's cornered,a conniving separatist weasel,Vivre Le Quebec,tabernaq.!!
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The Crawfords have never had horses with Allard.
Had thoroughbreds with Navarro and Jason Servis. All the same crew, Its like running with a gang, its a brotherhood!
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Do the crime do the time
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What a fuckin hypocrit
This is very TRUE!! tmbz1
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Do the crime do the time
Unless its Burke or Andy Miller 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Remember that "Indicted" does not mean Convicted! It's called Due Process! Allard, Surick and the others can do business and Mr. Gural has every right to ban them from his tracks
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like gural or not someone has to start the process of cleaning things up
we all know any decent horse is not running on hay and water but there are many supplements etc that do not cross the line to the extent that the accused were doing with illegal drugs
who cares what the winning times are as long as it is on an equal playing field which of course it has not been and still is not
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People are still using epogen . As long as its given several days out they can't find it. Lance armstrong was never positive he just got ratted out.It is not going to end.
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Remember that "Indicted" does not mean Convicted! It's called Due Process! Allard, Surick and the others can do business and Mr. Gural has every right to ban them from his tracks
But Jeff should name the owners that he knows FOR A FACT have horses with Allard. Look at the trainers at the Pennsylvania tracks. A lot of them are banned af the Meadowlands and they're doing just fine.
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yes they are indicted for now but to think they are not guilty of some charges is foolish
i assume there was some restrictions put on how involved they could be or they would have just carried on as they were until the trial, the fact they are doing it under other trainers and hidden ownership suggests they are again not complying
good for gural and hopefully others who see through this and put a stop to it
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yes, it continues to be an ongoing serious problem and those that cant compete honestly or cant buy the best bred horses will try to cheat the system
but lets be honest how hard has the industry been trying to correct the problem
if a vaccine for an unknown virus can be created in less than 12 months i have to think that proper testing could be implemented to catch any and all irregularities
but you have to make it a commitment and fund it accordingly
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Awesome News! Now if the Pocono and Harrah's would clean up their act then maybe some people would be interested in getting involved 1 more time in sport. It is so obvious what has been going on and what continues to be going on with bearded trainers and juiced up horses and the commissions at those tracks just sit back at watch them being made fools of and the industry self destructing. The betting public wants FAIR races and are not nearly concerned about the speed of the animal but more the thrill of watching a talented driver or talented trainer deliver a respectable product.
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are they gonna catch burke?
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are they gonna catch burke?
Not if Mr. Integrity, Jeff Giural has anything to say about it. Check out the Pig M's 5th race, Burke two entries, with common ownership, 6- the co-favorite with the French Fraud, 10- 27-1 with Dube. Guess who won?
Sincerely, Silent One
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The betting public wants FAIR races and are not nearly concerned about the speed of the animal but more the thrill of watching a talented driver or talented trainer deliver a respectable product.
The betting "public" could care less about watching a driver or a trainer. If you think that "thrills" them you are sadly mistaken. Any thrill comes from cashing a ticket or seeing their horse blow out the field, sweep the field from last or set a speed record
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Cashing a ticket and winning a race is absolutely exciting. Doing it on an even playing field makes it that much more exciting. Some people actually do enjoy the sport itself as entertainment and a night out or afternoon whatever. Sadly mistaken? I think not.
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“Just hit a $300 exacta but the way that horse raced he had to be juiced. I don’t like that so here Mr. Teller you just keep it.”
Fuck off.
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Every public statement he makes says the same thing: I spent money and give me your money.
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today we can catch on a test just about everything. problem is getting the convictions penalties upheld. too much gets thrown out. its allways an excuse thats its enviormental or something. and the bigger the stable the smaller the excuse. hey if we only had 1 horse stables the game would be great. those guys get thrown out for a tiny bit of caffeen in a horse. a true enviorment excuse.
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Howard Taylor? Have horses with allard?
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Agree. They carry on business as usual. Lots of scumbag owners out there.
I said 20 years ago when a trainer is suspended, suspend all the horses under his care. Whether he’s serving 15 days or 15 years and if this is done you will eliminate beard trainers and rid the business of the “Bad Owners” who just move on to the next guy in line who can help them steal. Gural’s new rule is at least a start. The problem is these owners always have someone in their pocket to step up and petition to change things to their advantage.
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Send Allard’s dumb ass back to Canada. Deport him.
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Send Allard’s dumb ass back to Canada. Deport him.
Sorry, not going to happen. Allard is like Oglethorpe. "His subsequent deportation to Canada, and that countries refusal to accept him".
Sincerely, Silent One
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Gural doesn't want Allard racing because Rene cheats better than his cheaters. That is where the problem is. ALL of HIS trainers are dirty.
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Gural doesn't want Allard racing because Rene cheats better than his cheaters. That is where the problem is. ALL of HIS trainers are dirty.
Someone who sees Mr. Integrity, for who he is. Bans Allard, and his owners, but how many positives has Allard had compared to Teflon Ron Burke, Juicin' Julie Miller, Mr. Personality, Erv Miller? It shows the education level, or lack thereof, of so called people, who think Gural is interested in cleaning up the sport. New Jersey should end the lease, and take back the sports book. Tell Gural to go back to New York, and his two shithole tracks.
Sincerely, Silent One
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If you think you can thumb your nose at the Federal Government and open up a training shop in Florida while under indictment you are just asking for trouble. Allard is arrogant and he has just set himself up as the biggest of examples. He is the one out of them all that is going down hard.
Gural you know Simon and Rene where in it together. You should ban him from driving at your tracks. It is a really bad optic.
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a lot of people need to be banded
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a lot of people need to be banded
AND THE REST OF 'EM SHOULD BE SUSPENDERED
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I am not suggesting that burke , miller etc are squeky clean
but clearly they were not on the same level as allard and the others or the feds would have scooped them up in the net as well
the feds dont play favorites, you think they would look the other way, no chance
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I am not suggesting that burke , miller etc are squeky clean
but clearly they were not on the same level as allard and the others or the feds would have scooped them up in the net as well
the feds dont play favorites, you think they would look the other way, no chance
Has Allard ever had a horse test positive for Oxycontin? How about Glaucine? Teflon Ron can say yes to both. Juicin' Julie can say yes to Glaucine. Amazing how those can get swept under the rug, yet Allard is public enemy #1 to Mr. Integrity, Jeff Gural. They are just as bad, if not worse. They just haven't been caught....... yet.
Sincerely, Silent One
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By the way, here i s part of Gural's statement, which I find hysterical.
“Horsemen seem to have this absurd, unspoken bond that they protect each other. Well let me be perfectly clear, trainers that break the rules and use Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) are stealing from you, not me. They are beating your horse with a PED enhanced horse then, they are buying or claiming your horse and them beating you with your own horse. I just don’t get it.”
Maybe he should talk to Teflon Ron. I am certain he could make him understand.
Sincerely, Silent One
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Has Allard ever had a horse test positive for Oxycontin? How about Glaucine? Teflon Ron can say yes to both. Juicin' Julie can say yes to Glaucine. Amazing how those can get swept under the rug, yet Allard is public enemy #1 to Mr. Integrity, Jeff Gural. They are just as bad, if not worse. They just haven't been caught....... yet.
Sincerely, Silent One
None of them are under indictment.
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its very simple
follow the feds
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Silent One is referring to this from 2016
http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Ron-Burke-and-Julie-Miller-hit-with-drug-charges
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Hypocrites. Millers allowed at Meadowlands, and worst of all, Crawfords as owners and sponsors. Burke has tidied up his act in recent years. Ohio? LOL! BJB, TG, Short, Nobles... too many to name. Just bet them.
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Yimmy"s coming back...........he/she are clean! tmbz1
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I think I know your cousin.
Sipowitz
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How do you know this?????
Tell us the details of those alleged drugs, trainers and tests.
You seem to know, but..............
........is your knowledge just from reading horseplop??????
Another uninformed product of inbreeding heard from. Guess you never heard of the famous "groom pissed in the stall" defense? As for Deracingfan, you are right. It is not just about positives. It is about integrity. Allard SHOULD be barred form the sport for life. However, if you bar him, all should be barred with similar resume's. Mr. Integrity, Jeff Gural, wants Allard out, but he has never, to my knowledge, had a horse test positive for Glaucine, or Oxycontin. I guess those drugs are okay to Gural, since he employs trainers that have tested positive for them.
Sincerely, Silent One
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The amounts of Glaucine found were so small that neither one was penalized. Richie Johnson was the only one that was even fined and suspended after all of the investigations for very high dosages on Rubber Duck. He's since been reinstated and trains for owners that were associated with Banca.
As for the Oxy please show us where Burke tested positive. His father was cleared of an Oxy charge in PA in 2003
Here's a list of all the horses and trainers that tested positive for Glaucine in that year long investigation ... Lots of familiar names
https://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/postings/GlaucinePostRacePositives.pdf
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Another piece if the pie is Pena has some horses with ties to allard
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Has Allard ever had a horse test positive for Oxycontin? How about Glaucine? Teflon Ron can say yes to both. Juicin' Julie can say yes to Glaucine. Amazing how those can get swept under the rug, yet Allard is public enemy #1 to Mr. Integrity, Jeff Gural. They are just as bad, if not worse. They just haven't been caught....... yet.
Sincerely, Silent One
You left out Ake who was found guilty of using an electric prod on his horses.
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"As for the Oxy please show us where Burke tested positive. His father was cleared of an Oxy charge in PA in 2003"
Yea him and 3 others got off with nothing at the Meadows while I got a year and told there was no possible way around it. HT represented them and had the splits sent to a certain lab together. My split must have went somewhere else. It was bullshit!
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Yes Allard did get oxy positives at Pocono a couple years ago with others and they were all swept under the rug!
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http://www.harnesslink.com/USA/Rene-Allard---Jeff-Gural
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Legal puffery. Gural can do what he wants with his tracks and is entitled to an opinion.
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Allard is a cheating piece of shit. 77z.chf 91.jzail
Fuck him! 11.dt
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His Track. His rules..Don't like it. Don't race there..Plain and simple!
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Legal puffery. Gural can do what he wants with his tracks and is entitled to an opinion.
tmbz1
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I have to highlight these quotes from his lawyer:
"Mr. Allard has every right to continue training horses...
Mr. Allard...was having an excellent season (a udrs of .367)
....banning trainers-especially winning ones
....even after you banned Mr. Allard he continued his long track record of success...
...used aggressive, unlawful tactics in an attempt to coerce witnesses into incriminating others..."
Then he blames Gural for "getting the Feds interested." ngc3
You want to know what is at the core of continued use of illegal drugs in horse racing? 68xv.2
Slimy P.O.S. lawyers. 94z.sm 11.dt
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I hate to say it, but if they let the Death Camp reopen - I hope PETA comes in and burns us all to the ground. No survivors...
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I THINK THIS IS GETING TOO PERSONAL NOW BETWEEN THE 2 RACING GIANTS
RENE MITE WIN IN COURT
HE HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE A LIVING
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No question he has a right to make a living , he should be able to race , look at all the thieves they let race there now, no excuses accepted
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CAN SANDALS BE FAR BEHIND
I THINK HES COMIN BACK BY MAY1
SANDALS IS LOVED BY EVERYONE IN INCLUDING THE POPE
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I THINK THIS IS GETING TOO PERSONAL NOW BETWEEN THE 2 RACING GIANTS
RENE MITE WIN IN COURT
HE HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE A LIVING
Is his attorney a Hebrew Attorney?
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im thinking allard might use illeagle drugs
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I think Jeff is being difficult
Y knot give guy a break
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yeah saint renee ngc3
all i know is gural is not the one with the feds crawling up his ass
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Jeff is too much at times
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Is his attorney a Hebrew Attorney?
His last name is a very good indicator.
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Pretty long letter, with a guilty conscience. Just like Allard screwed over any of the clean participants in the game, Gural has decided to make it his personal triumph to make sure the sport rids itself of Allard. The wheels are in motion and with Robinson's conviction and sentence get ready for more fireworks.
Allard's not going to be one of them. Gural is being a dumbass for pressing the issue, he's giving Allard more ammo to use against his criminal case. 100% his attorney is going to use this as proof that Allard was arrested because he was specifically targeted by Gural rather than actually being guilty. And he's going to have a mountain of evidence to back up the claim.
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I THINK THIS IS GETING TOO PERSONAL NOW BETWEEN THE 2 RACING GIANTS
RENE MITE WIN IN COURT
HE HAS A RIGHT TO MAKE A LIVING
NOT SURE WHY GURAL IS SO WORRIED ABOUT THIS GUY, HE HARDLY
RACED AT THE BIG M, IVE HEARD MARK FORD IS PUSHING THE AGENDA,
HE HATES ALLARD AND IS RIGHT UP GURAL'S ASS.......
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10,000 hits in four days. Where would this site be without Jeff and his whipping boy. 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Be a bigger lineup at the DA's office than a covid testing site when they see 18 months for taking the deal lol
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I can see jail time for most
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Allard's not going to be one of them. Gural is being a dumbass for pressing the issue, he's giving Allard more ammo to use against his criminal case. 100% his attorney is going to use this as proof that Allard was arrested because he was specifically targeted by Gural rather than actually being guilty. And he's going to have a mountain of evidence to back up the claim.
Worst take ever.
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Allard's not going to be one of them. Gural is being a dumbass for pressing the issue, he's giving Allard more ammo to use against his criminal case. 100% his attorney is going to use this as proof that Allard was arrested because he was specifically targeted by Gural rather than actually being guilty. And he's going to have a mountain of evidence to back up the claim.
And what, the FBI and US Attorney's office will ignore their own evidence and drop the charges? Allard is probably the best funded in his defense but, he is still bringing a duck to a cock fight. I will bet the cock all day long.
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Regardless of the outcome of the indictments, Gural does have more knowledge about what is going on than you and I do. I will tell you that from the mouths of his fellow horsemen both in Canada and in the states, Rene tortures horses. That in and of itself is enough for me. So to anyone that says give the guy a break needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
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allard doesn't deserve a "break"
if allegations are proven true he should be out for good
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Some people want to win at all costs others just wanna race horses a large should be banned for life along with the other 29 people are 28 people this is getting to be a pain in the ass either in Dayton or Freedom and Tatum and get it over with arrest them for him in jail do what they Gotta do stop the nonsense I believe the liberal government in New York for not getting this done ASAP arrest them motherfuckers or stop it. A OR B there is no C
I’m sick and tired about hearing Allard Chris Oaks Nick Surick etc. etc. etc. if the government has a case arrest them and prosecute them if they don’t stop the fucking nonsense and let that go
What’s up what’s going on
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Gural will probably lose this case in court...if that is where it ends up.
The thing that strikes me as an absurdity however is the fact that the long-forgotten name of failed investigator Brice Cody has again been brought to the fore when in fact his ineptitude became glaringly apparent last year when the FBI had to step in and tie a neat bow around everything Cote failed to do.
Brice was going around testing horses out of competition just because they were winning while all the real stuff was going on around him and he was oblivious. He picked on certain trainers and looked like a dope. People he didn't like were more likely to get tested or people who he was told to go after by sour grapes people who couldn't win a race sent him on a wild goose chase here and there.
Cote rarely if ever nailed anyone because they weren't guilty.
He didn't dare test Takter or Burke or Pelling, but maybe he did and that was hushed up. I mean, if we had no Burke or no Takter, we would have no horses for Gural and no 6-figure cake job for Cote.
He was just happy to nab a few nobodies and make it look like he was accomplishing something. Just another cop on the beat chasing little kids from the fire hydrant.
I recall that after the FBI slammed down on Surick and that gang, Gural issued a statement saying that he (himself) and Brice Cote had assisted the FBI in their indictments. Not true. The FBI did this all by themselves with insider tips that had NOTHING to do with Gural or Cote. If they assisted he FBI in any way, it was to give them names and addresses....litt le stupid stuff. Nothing they did led the FBI to anyone. It would be a sorry state of affairs if the FBI had to rely on Brice Cote and Jeff Gural for insider info.
Why on earth would Gural keep Cote around. He is utterly useless and he's an embarrassment to the whole idea of integrity. Don Knotts was a better deputy.
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The FBI did this all by themselves with insider tips that had NOTHING to do with Gural or Cote. If they assisted he FBI in any way, it was to give them names and addresses....
Yea, you had me going until you told us the FBI could need Gural to help with an address.
Sorry, but
*Crinkle-Toss*
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Yea, you had me going until you told us the FBI could need Gural to help with an address.
Sorry, but
*Crinkle-Toss*
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Gural will probably lose this case in court...if that is where it ends up.
The thing that strikes me as an absurdity however is the fact that the long-forgotten name of failed investigator Brice Cody has again been brought to the fore when in fact his ineptitude became glaringly apparent last year when the FBI had to step in and tie a neat bow around everything Cote failed to do.
Brice was going around testing horses out of competition just because they were winning while all the real stuff was going on around him and he was oblivious. He picked on certain trainers and looked like a dope. People he didn't like were more likely to get tested or people who he was told to go after by sour grapes people who couldn't win a race sent him on a wild goose chase here and there.
Cote rarely if ever nailed anyone because they weren't guilty.
He didn't dare test Takter or Burke or Pelling, but maybe he did and that was hushed up. I mean, if we had no Burke or no Takter, we would have no horses for Gural and no 6-figure cake job for Cote.
He was just happy to nab a few nobodies and make it look like he was accomplishing something. Just another cop on the beat chasing little kids from the fire hydrant.
I recall that after the FBI slammed down on Surick and that gang, Gural issued a statement saying that he (himself) and Brice Cote had assisted the FBI in their indictments. Not true. The FBI did this all by themselves with insider tips that had NOTHING to do with Gural or Cote. If they assisted he FBI in any way, it was to give them names and addresses....litt le stupid stuff. Nothing they did led the FBI to anyone. It would be a sorry state of affairs if the FBI had to rely on Brice Cote and Jeff Gural for insider info.
Why on earth would Gural keep Cote around. He is utterly useless and he's an embarrassment to the whole idea of integrity. Don Knotts was a better deputy.
Wire and phone taps. Along with other recourses of the FBI and the US Attorneys office. A synergy few can slip. Why so down on Gural and his guy? It was not due to their ineffectiveness these guys and many others got away with doping. Nobody had the interest, nor were they investing any capital to go beyond the 50 year system of cat and mouse. The sharp guys were/are just that, sharp. The therapeutic overages that make up 95% of your positive tests were more of a Red Herring than anything else.
In my 50 years experience, as long as there is money to be made, you will never get ahead of the dopers. Is anyone foolish enough to think the doping has stopped?
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Yea, you had me going until you told us the FBI could need Gural to help with an address.
Sorry, but
*Crinkle-Toss*
I'm talking about asking him throw away questions and eliminating easy leg work. 1) I need to see the ship in logs for the year. 2) Does the person in this photograph look familiar and do you know them by name? 3) I need access to your security cam from such and such a date. Basic stuff like that.
Basically, they didn't "NEED" Gural for anything. But if they want to spend a few days browsing through files in the licensing office, they don't have to knock it down with a battering ram when the guy who owns the joint will gladly give you the key. I heard they even went through winner circle pictures to identify people and to place them with certain people and horses at certain times. Trust me, when I 'hear" something, I'm not blowing smoke. A lot of "adjacent" people get nabbed because of winner circle photos. They call these people "crew members".
Beginning in 2015, the FBI started bringing back retired agents to go around doing those time-consuming tasks. Mostly background checks. It was similar to old police (retired) coming back to as security people and desk jobs. This is common knowledge since the formation of the Patriot Act. The idea was to use seasoned agents to do initial investigative legwork that would free up agents who do the actual operations because experienced agents can sniff things out even during the drudgery and discovery process.
A lot of horsemen are "transient" so to find someone, they ask someone who would know. BY doing this, they can easily connect dots from person A to person B without having to go afield. This is basic investigative stuff. You can dismiss it all you want, but this is how it goes. A vast investigation into a ring of horse dopers starts with a trickle of information which snowballs into a mountain of work and pending investigation. They don't just show up at a barn with a warrant and haul people off to federal holding cells. There is a method and that method is very thorough and meticulous from the very first page.
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THE HEEBSKATE TRACK OWNER GAVE THE FB&I THE NAMES OF TRAINER/OWNER COMBINATIONS THAT WERE BEATING HIM ON THE TRACK, HE THREW IN A FEW MORE OBVIOUS ONES
JEFF ONLY DOES THINGS THAT HELP JEFF
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I'm talking about asking him throw away questions and eliminating easy leg work. 1) I need to see the ship in logs for the year. 2) Does the person in this photograph look familiar and do you know them by name? 3) I need access to your security cam from such and such a date. Basic stuff like that.
Basically, they didn't "NEED" Gural for anything. But if they want to spend a few days browsing through files in the licensing office, they don't have to knock it down with a battering ram when the guy who owns the joint will gladly give you the key. I heard they even went through winner circle pictures to identify people and to place them with certain people and horses at certain times. Trust me, when I 'hear" something, I'm not blowing smoke. A lot of "adjacent" people get nabbed because of winner circle photos. They call these people "crew members".
Beginning in 2015, the FBI started bringing back retired agents to go around doing those time-consuming tasks. Mostly background checks. It was similar to old police (retired) coming back to as security people and desk jobs. This is common knowledge since the formation of the Patriot Act. The idea was to use seasoned agents to do initial investigative legwork that would free up agents who do the actual operations because experienced agents can sniff things out even during the drudgery and discovery process.
A lot of horsemen are "transient" so to find someone, they ask someone who would know. BY doing this, they can easily connect dots from person A to person B without having to go afield. This is basic investigative stuff. You can dismiss it all you want, but this is how it goes. A vast investigation into a ring of horse dopers starts with a trickle of information which snowballs into a mountain of work and pending investigation. They don't just show up at a barn with a warrant and haul people off to federal holding cells. There is a method and that method is very thorough and meticulous from the very first page.
No disagreement. My point is simply, without the Feds, you are just spinning your wheels. Looking at the indictments, they all base the actions on phone and wire taps. Something no entity outside law enforcement can do and use it in a police action.
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What we really need here is a statement or comment by "The Counselor"..go ahead sir,we're standing by..
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What we really need here is a statement or comment by "The Counselor"..go ahead sir,we're standing by..
Or for us average Joe's maybe JFA could weigh in.
What strikes me as a non insider is how the trainers that cant seem to moderate their greed end up in the trash dump of racing annals. Isn't the famous line from Jonkers to Pena just keep winning at under 15 %.
Speaking only from my observation, there seems to be an industry level of acceptability to those outfits that reel off 8 wins out of 15 starts and then crawl back in their cubbyhole for a few months until their next 10 for 15 run. I see it with quite a few of those trainers us gamblers know are chronic juicers. Its helped my roi. If I see a run starting with whom I consider a juicer I hop onboard and get ready to jump off rather quickly.
If you look up in canada right now, you'll see a couple of top name trainers either ending a run or near the last stages of one. They arent ostentatious though. That'll end and the magic will be gone for a few months until the next run starts. Crooks like carlo Gambino and
Meyers lansky understood this. Not right but a truth.
The lesson the industry enforces is to not be too ostentatious. You dont want your driver giving the community the middle finger when the finish line is crossed. And if your so greedy that people start labeling your operation a death Farm, you've long since crossed the line.
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Be careful Mr. Jeff..........I heard they already have your shoe size??? ;D
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Be careful Mr. Jeff..........I heard they already have your shoe size??? ;D
The one in his mouth 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp or the one in his ass 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
The pick and choose Jewlie 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
Don the Con and Jewlie 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
Truly twins ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Like a kid in a candy store...... don’t take my candy away. ngc3
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I HOPE ALLARD SUES GURAL AND ENDS UP OWNING THE MEADOWLANDS SOME DAY. LOOKS LIKE HE IS IN THE PROCESS
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I HOPE ALLARD SUES GURAL AND ENDS UP OWNING THE MEADOWLANDS SOME DAY. LOOKS LIKE HE IS IN THE PROCESS
Never ceases to amaze me how stupid you fuckers are. What a idiot comment!
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MORNING! LOTS OF INTERESTING COMMENTS ON THE SITE AND ON VARIOUS ISSUES. SOME COMMENTS ARE VERY POINT ON AND OTHERS ARE NOT FACT.
1. THE OWNER OF ANY BUSINESS CAN CHOOSE WHO THEY DO BUSINESS WITH AND CHOOSE TO KEEP THEM OFF THE PROPERTY IF THEY CHOSE TO DO SO. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXCLUDE ANYONE FOR ANY REASON. IF THE EXCLUDED CHOSES TO FIGHT THIS ---GOOD LUCK AS IT WILL TAKE YEARS AND WITH THE INDICTMENTS NO FEDERAL JUDGE WILL ISSUE A COURT INJUNCTION TO PERMIT THE INDIVIDUALS TO ENTER THE GROUNDS---EVEN AS A FAN.
2. THESE ARE FEDERAL CHARGES. NOT STATE. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THIS CASE CAN IN FACT BE INVESTIGATED BY THE VARIOUS STATES INVOLVED AND NEW CHARGES CAN IN FACT BE FILED. THEREFORE, THE FEDERAL CASE IS NOT THE END HERE---IT IS THE START.
3. THE FBI DOES IN FACT WORK WITH OTHERS CHARGED IN THE CASE AND DEPENDING ON THE VALUE OF THEIR COOPERATION----AFTER THE DEFENDANTS IN QUESTION ARE ALL TRIED---MAY BE OFFERED A DEAL ---AGAIN DEPENDING ON THE VALUE OF THE INFORMATION SHARED WITH THE FBI. IF VALUABLE IN THE CONVICTION THE COOPERATING WITNESS MAY RECEIVE MORE LENIENCY. IF THE INFO IS WORTHLESS---THE JUDGE MAY OR THE DA BRING NEW CHARGES.
4. ALL OF THE INDICTED I AM VERY SURE HAVE BEEN OFFERED THE CHANCE TO COOPERATE.
5. THE SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT SHOULD BE READ AND THOS NOT ON THE SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT MOST LIKELY TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO COOPERATE. I WOULD ASSUME THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE STILL WORKING IN THE BUSINESS AND LOOKING FOR AND REPORTING NEW INFORMATION TO THE PROPER OFFICIAL IN ORDER TO REDUCE THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THESE CRIMES.
6. I DO NOT KNOW WHO WAS LEFT OFF THE SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT BUT THESE FOLKS MAY BE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION REGARDING THIS AND/OR NEW CASES AND CHARGES.
7. THE OPERATIVES KNOW MUCH MORE THAN ANYONE COULD EVER IMAGING JUST THRU THE VARIOUS MEETINGS WITH THE PARTIES AND THE DA.
8. MY GUESS IS THAT IT TRULY DOES NOT MATTER WHO IS INVOLVED AND WHETHER THEY DO TIME OR NOT---THAT THE STATES AND ASSOCIATIONS WILL MOVE TO BAR THESE FOLKS FOR LIFE. IT WILL TAKE DEEP POCKETS TO DEFEND THIS. VERY DEEP.
9. MANY ASSOCIATIONS ARE BUSY FIGHTING THEIR OWN BATTLES TO MAINTAIN THR INCOME FOR THE ACTIVE HORSEMEN ---THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAINERS AND OWNERS---NOT PROTECT AND FIGHT FOR THE FOLKS THAT TRULY OPERATED AS INDIVIDUALS.
10. I PERSONALY BELIEVE THAT MOST WILL IN FACT GET JAIL TIME. I FURTHER BELIEVE THAT COVID 19 DID SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS ---BUT, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ARE IN ESSENCE GATE KEEPERS TO NATIONAL CRIME AND THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. THE INDICTED SHOULD NOT TAKE THEIR POWER AND AUTHORITY LIGHTLY AS THESE FOLKS USE THEIR POSITIONS TO ADVANCE IN THEIR OCCUPATION AND THIS IS A HIGH PROFILE CASE FOR THEM AS THE ANIMAL PROTECTION GROUPS ARE REALLY PUSHING MANY ISSUES IN HORSE RACING AND DOG RACING!!!! ASK THE DOG TRACKS IN FLORIDA!
THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PARTS IN THIS CASE. BY NOW THE PROSECUTORS HAVE INDENTIFIED THEIR TARGETS AND BUILT MORE EXTENSIVE CASES AGAINST THESE FOLKS.
EVEN IF THEY HAVE SEVERAL MEN THAT COOPERATE WITH THEM TO HAVE THEIR CASES THROWN OUT OR REDUCED CHARGES---THESE FOLKS HAVE A LONG BATTLE TO EVER RACE AGAIN AS THEY WERE CHARGED WITH COMMITTING THESE CRIMES---JUST BECAUSE YOU COOPERATE AND THE CHARGES ARE REDUCED---THE FACT IS MANY ASSOCIATIONS AND SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS WILL IN FACT BE SURE THAT THESE FOLKS NEVER RACE AGAIN.
IT WILL COST A FORTUNE TO DEFEND THE CHARGES. THE PROSECUTORS HAVE DEEP POCKETS AND THEY WILL PROCEED AND MOST WILL BE BARRED FROM RACING FOREVER AND MANY WILL IN FACT DO JAIL TIME. DEPENDING ON THE FINAL OUTCOME THE STATES MAY FILE THEIR OWN CHARGES. THIS IS FAR FROM OVER AND THE INFORMATION GATHERING PHASE CONTINUES.
HOPEFULLY THIS HELPS ----TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED! THE FINAL DECISION WILL BE MADE BY A QUALIFIED FEDERAL JUDGE BASED ON THE FACTS---ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES AND STATEMENTS BY COUNSEL MEAN ZERO. ABSOLUTELY ZERO. THESE JUDGES FOLKS ARE FOCUSED ON THE CRIME----NOT ALL THE PR STATEMENTS BY ATTORNEYS TRYING TO DIRECT THE FACTS AWAY FROM THEIR CLIENT. NONE OF THAT MATTERS. IT IS THE CRIMINAL FACTS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO AN EXPERIENCED JUDGE!!
THIS RULING AND ALL OF THE MOVING PARTS WILL BE MADE BY THE JUDGE AND/OR A CHOSEN JURY!!
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Always great to hear from the counselor. Please share your insight with us more often as these cases develop.
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Like I said..we needed a response from the Counselor,thank you for chiming in with the law and order as written..
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Gural doesn't own the Meadowlands
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He only owns the lease, he does NOT own the property.
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I HOPE ALLARD SUES GURAL AND ENDS UP OWNING THE MEADOWLANDS SOME DAY. LOOKS LIKE HE IS IN THE PROCESS
So you’re ok with Allard allegedly killing horses and giving his Mama’s horses to Lou Pena and in turn Pena uses his girlfriend Deborah Daguet to front for them so they can race at Yonkers and the Meadowlands?????
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So you’re ok with Allard allegedly killing horses and giving his Mama’s horses to Lou Pena and in turn Pena uses his girlfriend Deborah Daguet to front for them so they can race at Yonkers and the Meadowlands.
this allard is starting to a joke
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usta and tracks allow this crap knowing hes cheating and beards
tracks also have to take responsiblity
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Slow moving justice,,,,,wow
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this allard is starting to a joke
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usta and tracks allow this crap knowing hes cheating and beards
tracks also have to take responsiblity
You are 100% correct. The tracks turn a blind eye to what goes on with the exception of Gural. But they miss some things going on. Just look at a program page and watch the trainer changes when these horses go to Pocono. D Racing - Lou Pena. A guy by the name of Hernandez racing at the Meadowlands goes to Pocono and voila a miraculous trainer change to Matias Ruiz. It’s not rocket science!!!
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burme prolly race clean
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You are 100% correct. The tracks turn a blind eye to what goes on with the exception of Gural. But they miss some things going on. Just look at a program page and watch the trainer changes when these horses go to Pocono. D Racing - Lou Pena. A guy by the name of Hernandez racing at the Meadowlands goes to Pocono and voila a miraculous trainer change to Matias Ruiz. It’s not rocket science!!!
If tracks turned away Allard "clients" they would be short entries both sides of the border
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http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Meadowlands-Stakes-Policy-on-Sold-Horses
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Discreetly "acquire" a copy of his training schedule ;D
Get his coordinates and get a high end set of drones with high res cameras to read the names off their halter.. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
I shouldn't laugh .. that's exactly what the Feds would do.
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Trust me... come stakes season the powers that be in the industry that hang out on the deck in Florida will not be included in this banishment. The whole game is rigged in favour of the “ major owners “ who enjoy the breakfast doughnuts on the deck on the weekends.
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http://ustrottingnews.com/meadowlands-stakes-policy-on-sold-horses/
So does this mean that the so called owners sold their small interest in the horses trained by Allard or they bought the others out to be eligible to race at Gural’s tracks??
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http://ustrottingnews.com/meadowlands-stakes-policy-on-sold-horses/
So does this mean that the so called owners sold their small interest in the horses trained by Allard or they bought the others out to be eligible to race at Gural’s tracks??
yes
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I dont understand ALLARD mentality.
You may hate Gural-but one thing is certain--if you get on his wrong side for whatever reason whether its right or wrong--you are done-finished- kaput. Gural calls the shots-and a letter from Allards owners critizing Gurals policies will only aggravate the man-and make it certain that you will NEVER get back in at his tracks.
History has shown Gural can kick anyone off his tracks-legally.
Surick and his butt buddy Marino-are down in Florida or have been-so Im sure everyone now knows EXACTLY what everyone is up to.
Someone -not me- has informed that Nick has sung like a Canary . Marino was singing before even being charged. They go by the principle of who sings first -gets the best deal.
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I wish Gural would just come out with a statement stating
"Any trainer who is named in an indictment will be suspended until the end of legal proceedings. If upon conclusion of the proceedings a person is found guilty or pleads they will immediatly be issued a lifetime ban from the track I control. Any owner who continues their training relationship beyond the date of indictment will also be banned under the same guidelineses."
USTA where thel hell are you? That's right as always living in the stone age with no constructive position whatsoever.
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the deck and allard???
don't think so
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Which deck?
or
Is it a secret?
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Which deck?
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Is it a secret?
The owners on the deck include those who have shared in Allard horses .
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The owners on the deck include those who have shared in Allard horses .
Where is this deck?
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is it still a secret?
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Where is this deck?
or
is it still a secret?
This Deck covered Deez Nutz
please name the foal.
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Where is this deck?
or
is it still a secret?
ONLY ELITIST JEWS
CAN PAY THE YEARLY DUES
AND YOU KNOW IT DONT COME EASY
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I think the deck they are talking about is at sunshine Meadows in South Florida where all the rich sit and get fooled by Tony Alagna. Where all horses eat and get dressed the same
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This Deck covered Deez Nutz
please name the foal.
I asked about the deck
not the shovel storage shed,
or the outhouse, so
please stfu.
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I asked about the deck
not the shovel storage shed,
or the outhouse, so
please stfu.
Now you are a tough guy, make your mind up.