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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harness racer on October 08, 2022, 09:30:30 PM
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The more you look, there are several owners/groups that follow the "hot" trainers... anyone notice any that stand out? And why aren't they just as guilty? They know what's going on.
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The more you look, there are several owners/groups that follow the "hot" trainers... anyone notice any that stand out? And why aren't they just as guilty? They know what's going on.
Of course they know what is going on.
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So why are they not held accountable?
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So why are they not held accountable?
They lie and say that they didn't know anything. The people in charge believe the BS.
The same assholes buy in to the groom pissing in the stall. Its 2022, don't these people use toilets yet ?
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The more you look, there are several owners/groups that follow the "hot" trainers... anyone notice any that stand out? And why aren't they just as guilty? They know what's going on.
They may not know " what's going on" but i see the Walkak Brothers at Yonkers now have horses with Garreth Dowse & Scotty D.. They were with Fusco, Richard Johnson, Daniel Renaud etc.. They always seem to be with the winning trainers.. Let's face it when ur investing $100's of thousands to millions as an owner who are you gonna use? especially if ur in the claiming game
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Wonder if round two will get some of those owners who keep going with the “hot” trainers. Go get em feds
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your not catching any owners at least not the smart ones
they keep their distance from any nonsense that might go on
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It only takes a few trainers like Rick Dane to roll on the owners like he did the other horsemen and bam we can start seeing the owners going down with the rest of the scum. In Chicago owners like Engle knew about juicing for years. When Rucker threatened to take him to the stewards because he owed huge training bills then Engle said go ahead and I’ll turn you and vet Joe Boliga in for using EPO on my horses. 100% truth. That’s how Marty E got away with not paying Rucker over 200,000$ in training bills.
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your not catching any owners at least not the smart ones
they keep their distance from any nonsense that might go on
I DISAGREE......... ................. ...DANE AND BANCA AND GRASSO SAID THE SAME THING. WERE TOO SMART. AINT NOBODY SMARTER THAN THE FEDS. LETS SEE SOME OF THESE BIG SHOT OWNERS GET LOCKED UP WHILE THE FEDS ARE AT IT. tmbz1
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perhaps, the trainers would need to have some hard evidence that owners instructed them to use peds
also if an owner is using a trainer whose record is clean why would they be accountable for the trainers actions
the owners could clearly say they had no reason to believe the trainer was using peds
its not like on the training bill it has a line item stating 'peds " $3,000
many of the big time owners never go to the barn so again they can easily show they had no way of knowing
to be clear i am not talking about owners using trainers with a clouded documented past
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Do you think David Brooks knew?
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i dont know
if i had to guess i would assume yes
but again i am talking about the upper level owners who are not daily hands on
some of the owners of takter, pelling, ryder, alagna
how as owners would they have any idea what goes on (if anything) in barns they rarely if ever visit
and exactly what could they be guilty of as hands off owners
i hope the feds catch all the scum trainers using peds and if some owners were involved somehow in that process than get them to
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i dont know
if i had to guess i would assume yes
but again i am talking about the upper level owners who are not daily hands on
some of the owners of takter, pelling, ryder, alagna
how as owners would they have any idea what goes on (if anything) in barns they rarely if ever visit
and exactly what could they be guilty of as hands off owners
i hope the feds catch all the scum trainers using peds and if some owners were involved somehow in that process than get them to
Come on bro. Do you actually think these big time in owners don’t acftually know? How do you think they got big money to begin with. Surely it wasn’t because they made investments and then didn’t pay any attention of where their money was invested. There is no way you’ll ever convince me that these owners don’t know or at the very least suspect what is going on. Even a guy with a clean past and very naive owners, doesn’t he at least go to the track to watch his horses race? If he does, then he has to if heard other people around him talking about what goes on or what’s happening on the backstretch. Would an owner be that far out of touch that he never heard of other trainers or participants using drugs? Ain’t no way someone has big money and don’t pay attention to their investments. NO WAY. especially the Jewish owners who watch every single penny and are a pain in the ass. The Jews are the ones who own and know everything period
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Hey Mike, Why the Jewish remarks? Many folks watch the money that they invested and are pains in the butts. Why do people always go to the race card. I always thought you had a clear mind on posting.
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I started this topic not to say they know the exact substance going in, but that they know that trainer has some type of edge and is most likely illegal. That is criminal behavior by knowingly looking the other way. Just look at the same band of criminals that just flock to the next bigtime trainer. Brand new trainers all of a sudden have 30 head in the barn? Get the fuck out of here. And what Yonkers allowed with MSPACC stepping in for Alexander should have called for a full boycott from other trainers. Guy had an unreal percentage and then is gone when suspension was up? New name down, same shit going in the horses. Fuck Yonkers and fuck harness racing. Can't wait until welfare purses go away. It won't take but a few more FUND SCHOOLS rallies to open some eyes.
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I started this topic not to say they know the exact substance going in, but that they know that trainer has some type of edge and is most likely illegal. That is criminal behavior by knowingly looking the other way. Just look at the same band of criminals that just flock to the next bigtime trainer. Brand new trainers all of a sudden have 30 head in the barn? Get the fuck out of here. And what Yonkers allowed with MSPACC stepping in for Alexander should have called for a full boycott from other trainers. Guy had an unreal percentage and then is gone when suspension was up? New name down, same shit going in the horses. Can't wait until welfare purses go away. It won't take but a few more FUND SCHOOLS rallies to open some eyes.
[IF OWNERS ARE GUILTY, SO ARE THE DRIVERS WHO CHOOSE OFF SO CALLED LEGIT TRAINERS, TO DRIVE THE GET AWAY CAR FOR THE BANK ROBBERS..... AINT THAT RIGHT JASIN?
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When they start suspending the owners of a horse as well the trainer. You'll see a big difference on the drugging!
Until then its business as usual. Just put some else down as trainer. That's easier then transferring ownerships!
95 percent of the owners of a racehorse have some idea as who and what type of trainer they are paying for or have knowledge of so trainer. But if the return is greater than the risk it's worth it! Nothing going to affect them but just that one horse and when you own multiple it's just smaller risk knowing that he'll just race under someone else for a time. jmo
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Hey Mike, Why the Jewish remarks? Many folks watch the money that they invested and are pains in the butts. Why do people always go to the race card. I always thought you had a clear mind on posting.
It really is the Jews tho that ruined harness racing. In fact, they ruin everything for the most part because of their greed. I'm not saying they're bad people. It's just that they view the almighty dollar above anyone one or anything. And unfortunately, its been every single Jewish person I've ever met in my life. They are pre-occupied with money and all that matters to them is money. They eat, sleep and drink money. They don't care who they step on or anything about life or human kindness. Its all about money. They will rip off their own family members over money. Oh yeah, before you say anything, I"M JEWISH!
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When they start suspending the owners of a horse as well the trainer. You'll see a big difference on the drugging!
Until then its business as usual. Just put some else down as trainer. That's easier then transferring ownerships!
95 percent of the owners of a racehorse have some idea as who and what type of trainer they are paying for or have knowledge of so trainer. But if the return is greater than the risk it's worth it! Nothing going to affect them but just that one horse and when you own multiple it's just smaller risk knowing that he'll just race under someone else for a time. jmo
Suspending? The Meadowlands currently celebrates some of those owners.
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It really is the Jews tho that ruined harness racing. In fact, they ruin everything for the most part because of their greed. I'm not saying they're bad people. It's just that they view the almighty dollar above anyone one or anything. And unfortunately, its been every single Jewish person I've ever met in my life. They are pre-occupied with money and all that matters to them is money. They eat, sleep and drink money. They don't care who they step on or anything about life or human kindness. Its all about money. They will rip off their own family members over money. Oh yeah, before you say anything, I"M JEWISH!
So am i an i happen not to agree with your statements. I know many Jewish people who are the exact opposites of what you are saying. i fit that catagory and really resent how people streotye us.
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Hey Mike, Why the Jewish remarks? Many folks watch the money that they invested and are pains in the butts. Why do people always go to the race card. I always thought you had a clear mind on posting.
I apologize tumbleweed. I shouldn’t have generalized like that. I was wrong. Sorry.
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So am i an i happen not to agree with your statements. I know many Jewish people who are the exact opposites of what you are saying. i fit that catagory and really resent how people streotye us.
We each have our own opinions and like I said before, I am Jewish and proud of it, but everyone on my dad's side of the family talk only about money, money, money. Couldn't give a crap if someone in their family died. Frankly, I'm sick of it and told myself as I got older and married with two kids that I will never raise my kid with those Jewish traditions or have my girls get all caught up in their finances and material status among their friends. To this day when I bring it up to my dad, he automatically gets pissy with me and says ok where would you be without money. My answer is I would be at peace and not worry about it like you do every day of your life. He gets really pissy when I say dad, that's the Jew in you!