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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LAW AND ORDER on December 27, 2023, 05:38:07 PM
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1- PHIL LANGLEY
2. DOC NAROTTENSKY
3. SCOTT PEINE
4. JOE DEFRANK
5. DON HOOVER
FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR OWN.
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Joe zambito
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Just about all of them.
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The Bald Snake. Of course that communist Wendt accused Connie but was immediately sued. Serves him right!
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Narosky was an asshole but not crooked
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Steve Starr was a total ass hole at times very sarcastic but I don't think he was crooked. Larry Miller was a great race secretary questionable as he bought and sold horses on the side.
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Steve Starr was a total ass hole at times very sarcastic but I don't think he was crooked. Larry Miller was a great race secretary questionable as he bought and sold horses on the side.
Is Larry still around? I lost track of him after 2013
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Is Larry still around? I lost track of him after 2013
Last I heard he spotted up at Plainridge.
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I thought he passed years ago. Well if hes around God Bless him.
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There was no one more crooked and on the take then Gregg Keidel.
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Who was the crooked asshole with a mustasche that was a race secretary at the old Lebanon Raceway, and Scioto? Doug something or other.
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Greg keidel. Was such a crook. Then he would sleep with trainers wives.
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Narosky was an asshole but not crooked
I disagree. Doc was a crook because of being such an asshole if he didn’t like you, he would give you the 8 hole at maywood and that my friend is race fixing. He wouldn’t survive with the younger generations today. One of us millennials would take his ass out. This ain’t 1985 anymore doc. My group would of Kung foo’ed your ass
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Greg keidel. Was such a crook. Then he would sleep with trainers wives.
Can any of the names be verified??
Any good looking ones or everyone was fair game??
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Scott Warren.....workin g for the Savior of Harness Racing while having hidden ownerships with Dylan Davis and Howard Taylor......told me so himself.......
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Scott Warren.....workin g for the Savior of Harness Racing while having hidden ownerships with Dylan Davis and Howard Taylor......told me so himself.......
Damn, if true that would be a huge conflict of interest and illegal!
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I disagree. Doc was a crook because of being such an asshole if he didn’t like you, he would give you the 8 hole at maywood and that my friend is race fixing. He wouldn’t survive with the younger generations today. One of us millennials would take his ass out. This ain’t 1985 anymore doc. My group would of Kung foo’ed your ass
That is BS. Anyone that had an issue with the draw at maywood or balmoral could have walked right into the race office and watched the draw. Every night they were calling for a horseman to come witness the draw. Most were too lazy to go to race office. They just sat in kitchen and cried that Doc was screwing them
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Scott Warren.....workin g for the Savior of Harness Racing while having hidden ownerships with Dylan Davis and Howard Taylor......told me so himself.......
Always interesting to hear of more underhanded Howard Taylor "technicalities" How is it this guy has operated this long without repercussions? Get of of harness racing go back to ambulance chasing!
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is keidel still with jeff cox's ex wife?
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That is BS. Anyone that had an issue with the draw at maywood or balmoral could have walked right into the race office and watched the draw. Every night they were calling for a horseman to come witness the draw. Most were too lazy to go to race office. They just sat in kitchen and cried that Doc was screwing them
And when they sat in the kitchen and said doc was screwing them, they were exactly right. Like I said I only know what I heard. It was before my time. If he tried any of that stuff with my generation he would of gotten Kung foo’ed and that would of been the last time he tried it. I just can’t see how every Chicago guy I talk to always says he was a horrible race secretary and person. Where there is smoke there is fire. And also doc never liked anyone who was a horseplopper I was told if he found out you were a plopper or even thought so you immediately didn’t get in or had to race from the 8 hole.
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is keidel still with jeff cox's ex wife?
Last I neard he was still with her. He's a complete scumbag. He was on plenty of trainers payroll's at NFLD
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Warren Desantis
Mark Lowe
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Always interesting to hear of more underhanded Howard Taylor "technicalities" How is it this guy has operated this long without repercussions? Get of of harness racing go back to ambulance chasing!
Nice guy persona fools a lot of people! tmbz1
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I just can’t see how every Chicago guy I talk to always says he was a horrible race secretary and person.
Then my good man, you have never talked to me about Doc. I dealt with Doc since he first walked into Sportsman's Park as Phil's assistant.
I won't say a bad word against him.
And there are many silent ones like me!
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Last I neard he was still with her. He's a complete scumbag. He was on plenty of trainers payroll's at NFLD
he helped pantleano get in the business. he was a bus boy in the grandstand before greg helped him out. then he all of a sudden had a stable of 30.
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I have no idea if Steven Star was crooked but he has to hold the record for pissing off the most owners and trainers. He was at his worst when the old alphabet system, B-1, C-3 etc was in place. Trainers would beg him to drop their horses but their pleas many times went onto deaf ears. He really killed Monticello horses when they dropped into the YR entry box. Star would get a MR A-2 horse, which was like a C-1 at YR, and put the horse into B-1. No chance whatsoever. Glad he retired.
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I have no idea if Steven Star was crooked but he has to hold the record for pissing off the most owners and trainers. He was at his worst when the old alphabet system, B-1, C-3 etc was in place. Trainers would beg him to drop their horses but their pleas many times went onto deaf ears. He really killed Monticello horses when they dropped into the YR entry box. Star would get a MR A-2 horse, which was like a C-1 at YR, and put the horse into B-1. No chance whatsoever. Glad he retired.
He was an arrogant narcissist.
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And when they sat in the kitchen and said doc was screwing them, they were exactly right. Like I said I only know what I heard. It was before my time. If he tried any of that stuff with my generation he would of gotten Kung foo’ed and that would of been the last time he tried it. I just can’t see how every Chicago guy I talk to always says he was a horrible race secretary and person. Where there is smoke there is fire. And also doc never liked anyone who was a horseplopper I was told if he found out you were a plopper or even thought so you immediately didn’t get in or had to race from the 8 hole.
Well ask any of the people that cried too you if they ever walked their lazy ass up or over and pulled the pills for themselves
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he helped pantleano get in the business. he was a bus boy in the grandstand before greg helped him out. then he all of a sudden had a stable of 30.
He fixed more races for Belcher than anyone
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He had the most horses at the time. He would make deals with trainers. Trainers could negotiate conditions.