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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Wally C on November 07, 2023, 10:17:02 PM
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As a gambler and behalf of every gambler, the pros, the degenerates who just piss money away for the action, to quell the depression, to feed the beast, the whatever -
And for a minute I'm not seeking to follow the maze and where it leads and what new beards engage, and how the whole bullshit plays out AGAIN, AGAIN-
You made a commitment, an investment, and followed through to do it right, I want to hear your thoughts, opinions, screams - I know you EXIST - PLEASE SAY YOUR PEACE - BE FEARLESS!!!
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I not only know you exist but you're the MAJORITY!
At this moment I want all gamblers, media, legislation to withdraw - gambling, reporting, the laws to favor casinos to not be forced to have pari-mutual racing & terminate racing period.
Not to hurt you, not to end your hopes.
But you should talk, this shit must be frustrating as hell never playing on a level playing field.
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What makes an "honest" owner? We have trainer responsibility and liability, what about owners? Yes, horses and owners are getting suspended. However, at a certain point, and owner is going to litigate this. Unless you are going to prove that an owner was involved or knew about illegal activities, how are you going to suspend an owner? Because he picked a high-percentage trainer? Do we have to get into specifics? Are Burke's owners honest? Nancy Takter? Jenn Bongiorno? Tony Alagna? Joe Holloway? Steve Elliott? Brett Pelling? Look at the leading owners and the major players in the game. They are with trainers who win. George Segal has had trainers like Gene Riegle, Bob McIntosh, Blair Burgess, Brett Pelling, Tony Alagna, Linda Toscano, and others. Any of them have "no positive tests ever" in their career?
This is not about one trainer getting a positive for bute and another getting a positive for some designer or exotic drug that has no business being on the farm or track. Those are two ends of the spectrum. The latter should be banned and eventually I think HISA is going to do this. But most of this exists between the extremes. I for one am curious what makes an owner honest.
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What makes an "honest" owner? We have trainer responsibility and liability, what about owners? Yes, horses and owners are getting suspended. However, at a certain point, and owner is going to litigate this. Unless you are going to prove that an owner was involved or knew about illegal activities, how are you going to suspend an owner? Because he picked a high-percentage trainer? Do we have to get into specifics? Are Burke's owners honest? Nancy Takter? Jenn Bongiorno? Tony Alagna? Joe Holloway? Steve Elliott? Brett Pelling? Look at the leading owners and the major players in the game. They are with trainers who win. George Segal has had trainers like Gene Riegle, Bob McIntosh, Blair Burgess, Brett Pelling, Tony Alagna, Linda Toscano, and others. Any of them have "no positive tests ever" in their career?
This is not about one trainer getting a positive for bute and another getting a positive for some designer or exotic drug that has no business being on the farm or track. Those are two ends of the spectrum. The latter should be banned and eventually I think HISA is going to do this. But most of this exists between the extremes. I for one am curious what makes an owner honest.
The horse's best interest - you own this life
That those now responsible for that life that you choose care deeply for it above all else
Winning races, cashing tickets, having a hopeful producer is done ethically
If and when the time would come that you realize that in order to compete that you have to tap those willing to cross that ethical line, *don't*, retract, lower your competition, regroup, rehab...
That you know the difference for a positive for an ambiguous withdrawal time and a mother fucker juicing your horse to death
Have and Assemble - Good motives, good team, good planning, being financially sound, always be evaluating also means maybe you don't always have to micromanage. (ignorance is not an excuse.)
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The horse's best interest - you own this life
That those now responsible for that life that you choose care deeply for it above all else
Winning races, cashing tickets, having a hopeful producer is done ethically
If and when the time would come that you realize that in order to compete that you have to tap those willing to cross that ethical line, *don't*, retract, lower your competition, regroup, rehab...
That you know the difference for a positive for an ambiguous withdrawal time and a mother fucker juicing your horse to death
Have and Assemble - Good motives, good team, good planning, being financially sound, always be evaluating also means maybe you don't always have to micromanage. (ignorance is not an excuse.)
Paul is that really you? Did you bring mike ant back with you?
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Reality check
If Allard, Banca, Oakes all came back they would have full barns
That guy in Canada caught beating a yearling and immediately suspended has a barn full of babies
Owners aren't dumb or naive a lot ust don't truthfully care about the horse
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I’ve been in the horse business for a long, long time. I’ve groomed, trained, driven (poorly) and owned horses since before most of you were born. Never had a positive test. Since I have started employing trainers (15 to 25 horse stables) I tell the trainer “no positive tests”.. If there is one I am out of here. I have been lucky and made money over the years but the most discouraging thing has been watching a horse drop 2 seconds after I sell them. Its not my trainer as use 3 different ones. Well, maybe it is as they don’t use drug and my vet bills are very, very low.
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I’ve been in the horse business for a long, long time. I’ve groomed, trained, driven (poorly) and owned horses since before most of you were born. Never had a positive test. Since I have started employing trainers (15 to 25 horse stables) I tell the trainer “no positive tests”.. If there is one I am out of here. I have been lucky and made money over the years but the most discouraging thing has been watching a horse drop 2 seconds after I sell them. Its not my trainer as use 3 different ones. Well, maybe it is as they don’t use drug and my vet bills are very, very low.
As a counterpoint to this, there’s a ton of trainers that just suck. They use the excuse that when other trainers improve a horse it’s just drugs.
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It's all in the FEED and HAY. That's why some can drop them 2-3 seconds right out of the gate!
73cv.2
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What makes an "honest" owner? We have trainer responsibility and liability, what about owners? Yes, horses and owners are getting suspended. However, at a certain point, and owner is going to litigate this. Unless you are going to prove that an owner was involved or knew about illegal activities, how are you going to suspend an owner? Because he picked a high-percentage trainer? Do we have to get into specifics? Are Burke's owners honest? Nancy Takter? Jenn Bongiorno? Tony Alagna? Joe Holloway? Steve Elliott? Brett Pelling? Look at the leading owners and the major players in the game. They are with trainers who win. George Segal has had trainers like Gene Riegle, Bob McIntosh, Blair Burgess, Brett Pelling, Tony Alagna, Linda Toscano, and others. Any of them have "no positive tests ever" in their career?
This is not about one trainer getting a positive for bute and another getting a positive for some designer or exotic drug that has no business being on the farm or track. Those are two ends of the spectrum. The latter should be banned and eventually I think HISA is going to do this. But most of this exists between the extremes. I for one am curious what makes an owner honest.
Who is the most honest of the aforementioned trainers listed above?