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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wiggles44 on December 15, 2019, 06:21:35 PM
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http://standardbredcanada.ca/notices/12-15-19/watch-christmas-open-house-live.html
more free advertising.
i know the orange pervert didn't show up on his own dime.
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THEY HAD A TROTTER NAMED ..YES,
,THE STABLE TRAINERS COULDNT DO ANYTHING RIGHT WITH HORSEALMOST A THROW AWAY
ANTHONY TURNED OVER THE TRAINING DUTIES TO ERV
HORSE HAS BEEN UNBEATABLE SINCE SEPT STARTIN AT HOOSIER
AND JUST CRUSHED OTHER KNIGHT AT YONKERS
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ...
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Lots of young breaking trotters out there today.
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Lots of young breaking trotters out there today.
ERVS GUYS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ,,ON THAT TROTTER
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i assume it is all part of the business plan
however anyone who says they can tell a good horse from bad in december is not truthful
you can have an opinion but no way of knowing either way until march or beyond
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THEY HAD A TROTTER NAMED ..YES,
,THE STABLE TRAINERS COULDNT DO ANYTHING RIGHT WITH HORSEALMOST A THROW AWAY
ANTHONY TURNED OVER THE TRAINING DUTIES TO ERV
HORSE HAS BEEN UNBEATABLE SINCE SEPT STARTIN AT HOOSIER
AND JUST CRUSHED OTHER KNIGHT AT YONKERS
well considering he set a world record at northfield I believe) before you recommended Erv, I think someone had him going
reasonable - He does look good with Erv
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ...
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he set a world record at Northfield Park with the Stable.ca trainer
which is still his lifetime mark
from the 7 hole at scioto he was 5th in his 2 year old Stakes Super Final
from the 8 hole at Northfield he was 3rd in his 3 year old Stakes Super Final
(his biggest purse check to date)
$16,000 yearling
from 23 starts for the stable.ca trainer
$185,000
4-5-4
yeah he was pretty terrible before he went to Erv 😂
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Don’t mess with lucpark he’s taking growth hormones
Your future starting center for the Chicago midgets
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Luc...I meant at there open house today with trotters breaking all over the track.
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Luc...I meant at there open house today with trotters breaking all over the track.
I misunderstood Jim
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Back to topic
Erv has taken the horse to a new level .
Horse was ok track records mean what? Idk
now hes borderline SPECIAL.
JUST MY OPINION. ..
YES MCDONALD IS BETTER THAN ERV WITH TROTTERS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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The stable is going belly-up this year in years passed they have at least bought some yearlings with decent breeding, this year it is all straight trash. You couldn't give me any of their yearling stock. And i can already hear it now "well we only paid 12"
Yeah...and the training bills were all the same as for the 40k yearlings of years past from real sires
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when I originally got into the stable I did so because it was very attractive to have a brother to man of many missions and then continue on buying a brother to muscle mass and muscle massive, but where are those black types this year
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Just another scam turned ugly!
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I misunderstood Jim
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Back to topic
Erv has taken the horse to a new level .
Horse was ok track records mean what? Idk
now hes borderline SPECIAL.
JUST MY OPINION. ..
YES MCDONALD IS BETTER THAN ERV WITH TROTTERS ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Let us know when Erv sets a world record with one of your crows. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
K?
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Why does he need an Exit Plan he's rolling in the cash and even after it fails his cash isn't going anywhere
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Let us know when Erv sets a world record with one of your crows. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
K?
CROW? ngc3
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CROW? ngc3
Just wait until Ellison or Macomber get their hands on him.
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Sure he will walk with money that's not what I was getting at. The exit will be orchestrated by those who promoted him as I said WEG and SC and others. When you see them not promoting will be when the other shoe will fall.
its been a pyramid scheme from the beginning
what did you expect
,,impossible to make money
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its been a pyramid scheme from the beginning
what did you expect
,,impossible to make money
EVER SINCE ADAM GOT HOSED THEY BEEN EXPOSED AND THE SHOW IS OVER
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Last year the horses made approx 1.5 million inc horses sent to other trainers from 160 total. That's like 9500 per horse. And what is the training fee per month 4-5 k plus plus plus for travel etc.
So any of these horses arent fully subscribed so i wonder what happens to the residuals.
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EVER SINCE ADAM GOT HOSED THEY BEEN EXPOSED AND THE SHOW IS OVER
Reality ...
There's a total of about 15 people who consistently make money as owners.
Then you have various and sundry Midgets like Ruffalo and insignificant harness Jews like Purple Picks who just talk as if they are hot shit.
If I'm wrong, roast me.
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Reality ...
There's a total of about 15 people who consistently make money as owners.
Then you have various and sundry Midgets like Ruffalo and insignificant harness Jews like Purple Picks who just talk as if they are hot shit.
If I'm wrong, roast me.
Excuse me? Insignificant? Hardly but these racist things aren't helping our industry
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Reality ...
There's a total of about 15 people who consistently make money as owners.
Then you have various and sundry Midgets like Ruffalo and insignificant harness Jews like Purple Picks who just talk as if they are hot shit.
If I'm wrong, roast me.
They we have the guy that owned half a 10k claimer 25yrs ago, and can, to this day, get one to go as good as anyone can. 73cv.2
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CROW? ngc3
how to COMPRHEND WHEN YOUR ON A EGGY NORE LIST ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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how to COMPRHEND WHEN YOUR ON A EGGY NORE LIST ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
CHAPS HIS ASS AGREED
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how to COMPRHEND WHEN YOUR ON A EGGY NORE LIST ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Yet you find a way to post on all my threads.
Every. Single. Fucking. One.
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Proof positive that just about everyone here has a problem with Calcoon.
HE'S WAY TO DARK
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Proof positive that just about everyone here has a problem with Calcoon.
Flounder,
You're an 80 year old, One-Suit nobody.
Go back and reread any of my many successful Get filthy Rich threads.
One Suit Flounder
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WTF are you not roasted already.
ICE bee nice 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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ERVS GUYS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ,,ON THAT TROTTER
Erv is a sire stake trainer,,,,get 60+ babies a year and only gets a few sire stake horses in Indy and NY,,,,,is a non factor in PA,,,,plus you get his dopey kid as the driver,,,horses and owners would be better off with Bender in the bike
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Erv is a sire stake trainer,,,,get 60+ babies a year and only gets a few sire stake horses in Indy and NY,,,,,is a non factor in PA,,,,plus you get his dopey kid as the driver,,,horses and owners would be better off with Bender in the bike
thats fair
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Let us know when Erv sets a world record with one of your crows. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
K?
Lewayne trained his so did sis Arnold not erv
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some interesting comments
the stable is like a restaurant menu, you dont order everything
you can pick and choose what horses you want and what you can afford
you can even determine how much you would like to pay based on the buy/sell board
its like the stock market, some smart people make money while others just continually lose
and who cares who trains the horses, they are under the stable umbrella and the cash flows through
you cant selectively pick apart just certain areas of the stable that support your argument
to be fair i guess if someone had a share of every horse from the beginning they would be out money but others who might have selected the better horses are doing much better
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Lewayne trained his so did sis Arnold not erv
I doubt Erv even knows who the little guy is.
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I doubt Erv even knows who the little guy is.
never seen him ngc3
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some interesting comments
the stable is like a restaurant menu, you dont order everything
you can pick and choose what horses you want and what you can afford
you can even determine how much you would like to pay based on the buy/sell board
its like the stock market, some smart people make money while others just continually lose
and who cares who trains the horses, they are under the stable umbrella and the cash flows through
you cant selectively pick apart just certain areas of the stable that support your argument
to be fair i guess if someone had a share of every horse from the beginning they would be out money but others who might have selected the better horses are doing much better
Oh yea . And how did Bob Burgess the majority shareholder in Lawmaker make out wen the horse was sold overseas I don't the real price was actually divulged and Amac made a score off him.
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DONT GET ON MY EGGY LIST
EDWARD
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DONT GET ON MY EGGY LIST
EDWARD
THAT BOY WOULDNT KNOW ERV IF HE WALKED RIGHT BY
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THAT BOY WOULDNT KNOW ERV IF HE WALKED RIGHT BY
WHO?
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some interesting comments
the stable is like a restaurant menu, you dont order everything
you can pick and choose what horses you want and what you can afford
you can even determine how much you would like to pay based on the buy/sell board
its like the stock market, some smart people make money while others just continually lose
and who cares who trains the horses, they are under the stable umbrella and the cash flows through
you cant selectively pick apart just certain areas of the stable that support your argument
to be fair i guess if someone had a share of every horse from the beginning they would be out money but others who might have selected the better horses are doing much better
my point exactly..
and in years past they had some interesting choices on the menu
now none
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brkheadpole
if i had a reasonable % of a horse being sold i would think you due your due diligence to protect yourself
i would assume that there was a contract between the two parties for the sale of the horse and as an owner you would need that for accounting and tax purposes
i suspect you are suggesting there was a side deal done to amac as a broker of the deal , could be , who knows wouldnt be the first or the last time
purple sheets, cant argue you point on the quality, sale prices have gone up the past few years so you get less horse for the same money , stable makes nothing on the purchase, its made on training no matter what the auction price was
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brkheadpole
if i had a reasonable % of a horse being sold i would think you due your due diligence to protect yourself
i would assume that there was a contract between the two parties for the sale of the horse and as an owner you would need that for accounting and tax purposes
i suspect you are suggesting there was a side deal done to amac as a broker of the deal , could be , who knows wouldnt be the first or the last time
purple sheets, cant argue you point on the quality, sale prices have gone up the past few years so you get less horse for the same money , stable makes nothing on the purchase, its made on training no matter what the auction price was
Well for someone who declares he's all about transparency there are many things wrong with the operation.
1. Not disclosing full details of financial transactions (novice owners are putting their trust that everything is legit.
2. Conflict of interest. Artificially inflates market price of horses, involving his uncles horse (not disclosed) and new owners relying on said appraisal of horses value.
3. Not doing right by the horse. Has entered horses into BC Events and major stakes races who have no hope , ruining the horse and subjecting it to possible injury all the while stringing the ownership group to pony up the 7k to declare just for media attention and personal glory.
How did that Lincoln James purchase turn out just to race it like a stock car in the Gold Cup and Saucer now it cant beat a nw of a ham n cheese sandwich race.
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brkn headpole
those are accurate examples
as i said you have to protect your own interests and make good decisions within the stable .ca if you are going to play
unfortunately some novice people can have a bad experience
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Brown Jug there are 42 horses with a whole lot of shares. Do the math on each and you will be amazed on what has to have been covered to pay consignments and unpaid training that gets accrue. These go unsold into Mar 15 and stake payments are due the price of shares sky rocket even further and the 1% people aren't going to pluck down 500, 600, 700 a share. Plus a lot of those 1% owners can be stuck in one of the 45 or 50 two year olds being held over to race at 3. Other then 7 or 8 those owners are already underwater and aren't looking to add to more unforeseen debt in the word of this being a entertainment theme.
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WHO?
CALCOON
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Last year the horses made approx 1.5 million inc horses sent to other trainers from 160 total. That's like 9500 per horse. And what is the training fee per month 4-5 k plus plus plus for travel etc.
So any of these horses arent fully subscribed so i wonder what happens to the residuals.
THEY PAID $400 000 to "stake" their horses, GREAT r.o.i?
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I have never seen anyone attract more jealousy than Anthony M.
Owning race horses is a financial loser. Everyone knows it.
This guy simply found a way to allow more folks to get involved, at a level they are prepared to lose at.
It's like going to the casino. Only take what you can afford to lose.
Do you think everyone investing with Burke are winning?
He's simply at the other end of the scales.
Invest large, lose large.
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horses first
very valid point , I did see that on the site
clearly that could be a potential issue
but he bought them so I guess he is going to have to find a way to sell them
no way they can carry that many that are not having the training bills paid
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Slim I don't think it's jealousy it's people talking about who got burned in a pyramid scam. One night at Mohawk during the summer a bunch of us were at the bar and Anthony who had nothing in that night thought he could sit down and join us until Hank told him to fuck off. A few others heard Hank and as Anthony was walking away they started clapping.
He really could have made this a great thing if he didnt think of himself first.
Would u charge a training bill for a dead horse or maybe say these owners suffered enough ill just eat this months training bill....
Its the little things
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Slim not sure it's jealousy but if you build something the wise thing would be to start small stay small. Build as you go. Last year was a big expansion and a keeping of a large number of 2 yr olds that didn't fair well. Then come back and buy another 60 something yearlings. He is hoping that ones that have been kept and ones that need to be bought that his 700 or so clients are going to build on a debt they really can't get out of unless it's dumped for pennies on the $. Once this happens over and over he will have a issue buying these value type horses. Sure he will have 10-15% of those horse produce something. Nobody cares if the guy makes somethikng training and driving.
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I don't know the guy.
I don't own any shares with him.
I would want to hear the other side of the story for the little things.
I train and feed a horse from June 1 to June 22nd and it drops dead, I don't see any reason there shouldn't be a training bill for the part of the month the horse was trained and fed.
It's a ponzi scheme! How is that? He buys a horse. You choose to take a percentage. Every horse is an investment in itself.
Now, anyone that would pay 4 - 5k a month training for a $12k horse needs to rethink their position. However, if it is all transparent, no one forces you to get involved. I think he is filling an entertainment niche that everyone thought was a stupid idea, now some of them wish they had of thought of it first.
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Horses First .... I understand what you are saying. When it is small, everyone feels they are getting attention and are the inside of the business. You get too big and you start relying on other folks to have the same personality and time to make investors feel a part of something fun, interesting and worth the money.
Time will tell.
You can't make it work without repeat investors and excellent word of mouth advertising.
As for getting your money back when you sell a horse. How often does that happen. Many are happy to get a few grand from the Mennonites.
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like any business cash flow is king
people only have so much "entertainment " cash to throw at the horses
if they have been in for a year or two and not done well than they will pull back
clearly it is more fun if your horse does well and wins a few races
2020 is a critical year , despite what some may say on this site there is a number of very good/decent 3 and 4 year olds racing as well as a number of 2 yr olds coming back at 3 next year and the majority of them must be successful unlike some in the past
some people have been investing for a year or two and now need/want to see some kind of a return, not a huge profit but just a break from paying out every month
time will tell
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Slim...guarantee when these horses ship off and head to other trainers those bills go up toward that 4k or higher. They are now racing so you have paddock fees, shipping, stall rent in some places go up, and a stake entry fee at times. But again, I emphasize the ones they carried over making 10k or less and there where 30 or more. They are compounding cost at least another 7 months of training bills more stake payments and if these horses don't improve a lot they will be sold for less as a 3 yr old with no stake aspirations that have been paid for last 2 years.
Here is one ? how many new clients from last year to this year. I don't think it's a staggering number and not a number you want when you have over 100-120 head. Again many mention ponzi scheme and the one thing you need is the ability to add more money.
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Don't you think the quality of horses should be going up instead of going down?
None of you are mentioning the point that I made which I think is most important which is the quality of yearlings being bought this year as opposed to opposite years well at least they bought some Real yearlings this year nothing
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They went all in on Sebastian ks
Doesn't look like that's going to turn out so well for them
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Don't you think the quality of horses should be going up instead of going down?
None of you are mentioning the point that I made which I think is most important which is the quality of yearlings being bought this year as opposed to opposite years well at least they bought some Real yearlings this year nothing
Is that because the sales co no longer give him credit? How long did it take to pay back Tattersalls and Harrisburg? Or did breeders have to take back a %
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Brkn Polee ... Do you know for a fact that The Stable owes sales agencies money? If not, that's not a great statement to make.
Horses First .... Ponzi scheme insinuates the last guy in is paying people that got in earlier. I don't think that is true. Each horse is an investment in of itself. Bob buying into a horse in 2017 has nothing to do with my financial commitment buying a horse in 2019.
Why is he spending less? Great question. Maybe it is that first purchase payment that has to be made. Maybe the soft spot in the model is finding folks willing to lay down 10% up front for a $12k horse vs a $40k horse. To many folks, there is a huge difference between coming up with 1200 vs 4000.
Or, maybe he's low on cash and can't afford more expensive horses. Especially when you are buying first, then trying to sell the shares. There can be a significant gap for The Stable between $$ out for the purchase and $$ back in when you sell the shares.
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So obvious all the jealous people and old ones that can't accept change and they wonder why the business is going under.
The guy brings in new people to the game. What have you done Iceman?
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They went all in on Sebastian ks
Doesn't look like that's going to turn out so well for them
Clearly you are a disgruntled person who went from singing their praises to just being a knob. Sebastian K's - there are a total of 4 of them, none over $20k and 3 of the 4 are turning three this year (per their site). At least say he went in on Muscle Mass since they have 7 of them (mind you two of them are racehorses).
Somehow 4 doesnt seem like all in to me - if anything since he only bought one this year and three the year before it would be the other way around??
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Brkn Polee ... Do you know for a fact that The Stable owes sales agencies money? If not, that's not a great statement to make.
Horses First .... Ponzi scheme insinuates the last guy in is paying people that got in earlier. I don't think that is true. Each horse is an investment in of itself. Bob buying into a horse in 2017 has nothing to do with my financial commitment buying a horse in 2019.
Why is he spending less? Great question. Maybe it is that first purchase payment that has to be made. Maybe the soft spot in the model is finding folks willing to lay down 10% up front for a $12k horse vs a $40k horse. To many folks, there is a huge difference between coming up with 1200 vs 4000.
Or, maybe he's low on cash and can't afford more expensive horses. Especially when you are buying first, then trying to sell the shares. There can be a significant gap for The Stable between $$ out for the purchase and $$ back in when you sell the shares.
maybe he knows its going under so he wants to get as many training bills as he can before it does
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Clearly you are a disgruntled person who went from singing their praises to just being a knob. Sebastian K's - there are a total of 4 of them, none over $20k and 3 of the 4 are turning three this year (per their site). At least say he went in on Muscle Mass since they have 7 of them (mind you two of them are racehorses).
Somehow 4 doesnt seem like all in to me - if anything since he only bought one this year and three the year before it would be the other way around??
yes i went from singing his praises to poitning out my displeasure
you are exactly right
that is exactly the problem. had he done things the right way i would have stayed singing his praises...
i am in the know here..not just someone coming along giving their 2 cents
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Food for thought 42 yearlings with shares available not all are the stables some sent by breeders. However majority are and with whatever monthly charges added since bought and moved to CA. 690k in CDN dollars are available to buy. So jump right in. Of that money horses from the Jug sale, Lex sale, and Hoosier classic have had to be paid by now. Does he get extended credit? Good question.
As far as what there buying just look at the over all % of the industry. Your best sires ave at best 35% earners of 50k. 23% over 100k. For the most part the stable isn't buying from the crop of the best sires. Which also means the better mares. They look for value or horses that have a flaw or slip through a crack. Maybe younger new sires. They are buying toward the bottom end of the yearlings being offered for the year. Say Father Patrick has 80 yearlings to sell the first 40 or 50 aren't near the budget unless it's agreed upon by certain owners. Sure the bottom end can win and they do. But that's the landscape invest in animals that are cheaper to keep the cost lower and also keeping the pressure from owners why a 70k horse can't beat nw1. Because many of those horses on the other side of the spectrum can't.
Slim I referred to ponzi scheme as mentioned. My take how long can u take in $$$ by calling it entertainment? The consumer form of entertainment maybe once a week, twice a month, or even a vacation once a year. Paying monthly for something they may or may not happen at a racetrack is more a stress that's followed with a bill. That only last so long.
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Mazola...It's a forum with open discussion on the blueprint of the stable and fractional ownership. How it works or it doesn't. No doubt if it works it's good for the game. But does it if your to big in a sport that has a poor ROI? How does one make it last then. All good questions to discuss.
Unfortunately some have already have a bad experience and that leans into the discussion. Or how the guy drives. I'd rather not see that stuff and stick to the content. Is it really sustainable buying the cheaper horses and hope 5 or 6 are really good and the other 50 or more suck. Then tout the success of a handful. Because that's about anyone in the business. You get a good one once every 1 or 2 out of 10.
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Mazola I've been in this game a long time and always was there for a fellow horseman who was down in his luck. I have a farm where 4 small timers get to train their horses and I don't take a dime off them they repay with helping on the upkeep. These guys are all honest horsemen with no drugs but have a hard time because of the cheats. My problem is scam artists like Anthony and that's my opinion end of story.
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Brkn Polee ... Do you know for a fact that The Stable owes sales agencies money? If not, that's not a great statement to make.
Horses First .... Ponzi scheme insinuates the last guy in is paying people that got in earlier. I don't think that is true. Each horse is an investment in of itself. Bob buying into a horse in 2017 has nothing to do with my financial commitment buying a horse in 2019.
Why is he spending less? Great question. Maybe it is that first purchase payment that has to be made. Maybe the soft spot in the model is finding folks willing to lay down 10% up front for a $12k horse vs a $40k horse. To many folks, there is a huge difference between coming up with 1200 vs 4000.
Or, maybe he's low on cash and can't afford more expensive horses. Especially when you are buying first, then trying to sell the shares. There can be a significant gap for The Stable between $$ out for the purchase and $$ back in when you sell the shares.
Can't speak to this year but yes he racked up big balances outstanding to the sales agencies. So why is he afforded that opportunity and others not. Plus he may have outbid you for a yearling you were after prepared to go to 45k for but he bids it up to 55k to attain it knowing full well he didnt have to fork over the money.
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haha This is the most time and most posts I have made on a topic without someone calling me a fucking tool or moron or racist, or me calling someone, something similar.
It's a rare Horse Plop moment!!
Thanks for the civil conversation.
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haha This is the most time and most posts I have made on a topic without someone calling me a fucking tool or moron or racist, or me calling someone, something similar.
It's a rare Horse Plop moment!!
Thanks for the civil conversation.
i was just wondering why they're getting free advertising, when the rest of us have to pay for it
11.hdd
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i was just wondering why they're getting free advertising, when the rest of us have to pay for it
11.hdd
well in fairness, I think Landmark and the new one get some "free advertising" as well via Standardbred Canada. so if the objective is to promote via fractional ownership then i think its close in terms of "notifications".
I would like to see the other groups do more "general updates"; Or is it that those groups are sold and closed and some at thestable.ca are not?
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enjoy the opinions
the beauty is that people who want to get in horse racing have options
if you dont like the stable go to landmark etc
if you dont like fractional ownership get a few buddies and go to a trainer and claim or buy one
yes the stable certainly buys yearlings on the low end
however this year there was a few that were bought for $40k usa or higher which is a decent price to pay
nobody is being forced to join and no one is being promised unrealistic roi or any roi for that matter
clearly some people find the stables . ca format enjoyable for now
calling amac a scam artist is incorrect, he has not made financial promises or other kinds that he has reneged on
do you own due diligence, make your own decisions, protect your self
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enjoy the opinions
the beauty is that people who want to get in horse racing have options
if you dont like the stable go to landmark etc
if you dont like fractional ownership get a few buddies and go to a trainer and claim or buy one
yes the stable certainly buys yearlings on the low end
however this year there was a few that were bought for $40k usa or higher which is a decent price to pay
nobody is being forced to join and no one is being promised unrealistic roi or any roi for that matter
clearly some people find the stables . ca format enjoyable for now
calling amac a scam artist is incorrect, he has not made financial promises or other kinds that he has reneged on
do you own due diligence, make your own decisions, protect your self
Overall, would you say this thread has been a positive reflection of fractional ownership as this guy projects it? Are they calling him a fraud because he makes more money than most of his owners?
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fat boy,
i think in most cases of companies owners/presidents make more than others
good discussion though
lets revisit early spring
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fat boy,
i think in most cases of companies owners/presidents make more than others
good discussion though
lets revisit early spring
FAIR ENOUGH... tmbz1
WOULD YOU WANT YOUR CEO TO BE DUMBER THAN A HORSE APPLE HOWEVER? THATS WHAT THE GUY SAID THAT KNOWS HIM
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That "guy that knows him" don't know his elbow from his asshole.
80 yo make-believe boxer with 3 different user names.
gtfoh w that shit.
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THAT BOY WOULDNT KNOW ERV IF HE WALKED RIGHT BY
Erv knows him ,,,just doesn’t like him
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Most of the fractional owners lose less money than most of the degenerate gamblers posting on this topic. Who's the fuckin idiot now? My kid is having the time of his life and it's cost me a little change. It's an experience. You sumbitches will complain about anything positive in the industry.
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Most of the fractional owners lose less money than most of the degenerate gamblers posting on this topic. Who's the fuckin idiot now? My kid is having the time of his life and it's cost me a little change. It's an experience. You sumbitches will complain about anything positive in the industry.
If horse racing gives ur kid the time of his life he’s in for a pretty shitty life.
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Just took a screen shot of your post then when the other shoe falls and all the investors get fucked I'll bring this back up you sumbitch.
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Look at Icemen/Humphrey/Tim getting all puffy and shit. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Your diaper must have got soggy on you.
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The stable is individual horses not a combined business, so only a percentage of the horses will profit. You guys are judging the whole stable which everyone knows does not profit for everyone. So you guys are beating the thing up knowing that’s not what he’s selling(hope some of you idiots know this). He buys 60 yearlings a year or so how many make profit anyways? Should have run it as a full business with stock purchase on the whole stable and bought some raceway horses first then babies. Otherwise just a few will profit in some horses. Great concept except each horse is a individual stable, a few get lucky and rest hope to get the next one.
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Most of the fractional owners lose less money than most of the degenerate gamblers posting on this topic. Who's the fuckin idiot now? My kid is having the time of his life and it's cost me a little change. It's an experience. You sumbitches will complain about anything positive in the industry.
i was really enhoying it too....
till the ridicoulous bills came in
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The stable is individual horses not a combined business, so only a percentage of the horses will profit. You guys are judging the whole stable which everyone knows does not profit for everyone. So you guys are beating the thing up knowing that’s not what he’s selling(hope some of you idiots know this). He buys 60 yearlings a year or so how many make profit anyways? Should have run it as a full business with stock purchase on the whole stable and bought some raceway horses first then babies. Otherwise just a few will profit in some horses. Great concept except each horse is a individual stable, a few get lucky and rest hope to get the next one.
its not about turning a profit...
we all know most of the 60 will not
its about doing whats best for the owners and not whats best for anthony...
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Purple
So what is best for the owners? They buy into some of the slugs then what do you want him to Amish or sell the horses for crap and say hey sorry this one won’t do? If he does that than everyone will bitch even more.
When people buy babies they are buying a dream so do make a stake race and some are just raceway horses. That’s why most big stables race horses and buy babies on top of that. You can’t do that when you buy only babies and give people a choice of buying into 1 or 2 only. There is no revenue to support the babies in training from raceway stock. So complaining is stupid because you should know that your buying a dream that most don’t pan out. Plus your buying babies against way more accomplished stables that have raceway horses supporting the baby bills.
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Purple
So what is best for the owners? They buy into some of the slugs then what do you want him to Amish or sell the horses for crap and say hey sorry this one won’t do? If he does that than everyone will bitch even more.
When people buy babies they are buying a dream so do make a stake race and some are just raceway horses. That’s why most big stables race horses and buy babies on top of that. You can’t do that when you buy only babies and give people a choice of buying into 1 or 2 only. There is no revenue to support the babies in training from raceway stock. So complaining is stupid because you should know that your buying a dream that most don’t pan out. Plus your buying babies against way more accomplished stables that have raceway horses supporting the baby bills.
it wasnt the training down bills. it was the racing bills of 6k a month. for a maiden pacer
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Purple
You didn’t buy into a maiden pacer, did you?
You bought into a yearling with stake potential!
6k for 100 people that’s like $60 each.
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Purple
You didn’t buy into a maiden pacer, did you?
You bought into a yearling with stake potential!
6k for 100 people that’s like $60 each.
i owned 25 percent of it...
so when she turned out to be a maiden i was ok with that but when she won 2 races in a month and i owed them money that month i wasnt ok with that
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it wasnt the training down bills. it was the racing bills of 6k a month. for a maiden pacer
Why don't you post, on a line item basis, these 6k bills so we can all see what you've been talking about for the last 9 months?
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I dont have access to the bill anymore but esentiallt it was 3500 traing bill 1500 vet bill and 600 shipping 400 groom fee
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But that was just the beginning of it
I also have issue with him overstaking the horses and racing them over there heads just to say he has a stater in stake x or y...
I had issue with him turning down reasonable offers of me trying to buy his hirses, only to be sold for less at a later date and with a further trainung bill for him..
Anf issue with being charged a traing bill for a dead horse
Yes i guess you could charhe for a dead horses trzing but should you. Considering the owner is already out the price of the horse, staking paymemts and prior 8 months traing bills?
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Those are my issues..
Again he us doing a great thing trying to help bring people in, but doing it in an overly selfish way imo.
He is not the first trainer ive parted ways with. And probably wont be the last. But ive also had other trainers for 20 plus years so trainers can do things the right way or the wrong way
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If the horses bill for the month was 6k and you owned 25% your end of the bill was 1,500 if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think it was closer to 1800 for 25 percent but yes...
So whats your point
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So a lot less than other words..
And I imagine he'd be getting much better care since you don't have a hundred eighty horses
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If the horses bill for the month was 6k and you owned 25% your end of the bill was 1,500 if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong.
you buy babies to stake them
if you don't want to stake them accordingly then don't buy babies
over staking them if they start training down good in jan feb and march is no brainer
most down make stakes races but if you under stake them it will kick in the ass one time you come up with a nice horse..
jmho
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Ice
Depends what kinda help you got second trainers grooms etc etc
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what a great thread. tmbz1
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they like that I'm against drugs and the other trainers at my farm are all clean, not one violation against anyone of us and not one horse on lasix.
And a combined training average of 0.015
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The other trainers stable at my farm get charged nothing for their stalls they work it off. They have kids and they groom for their Dad's horses and mine. Every horse that I train gets personal hands on from me in my barn.
DO THESE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL OR DO THE HORSES JUST GET RUBBED ON WEEKENDS? OR DO YOU RUB ALL 20 WEEKDAYS?
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DO THESE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL OR DO THE HORSES JUST GET RUBBED ON WEEKENDS? OR DO YOU RUB ALL 20 WEEKDAYS?
Tim is also an 80 yo math teacher. Each child gets a free abacus and slide rule. tmbz1
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Twenty in the barn is my max by my choice. Right now I have 9 and the other two trainers have 7 between the two of them. Including their wives during the week we all rub and the kids help on the weekend. Horses are in great shape and earning their keep.
why are you explaining yourself to these fuckin guys
im confused,,.
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Way off son. What do you contribute or do in the industry.
Not a whole lot to be honest.
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Twenty in the barn is my max by my choice. Right now I have 9 and the other two trainers have 7 between the two of them. Including their wives during the week we all rub and the kids help on the weekend. Horses are in great shape and earning their keep.
Name one.
Man or beast.
I dare you.
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Is this Calhoun always an asshole
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Is this Calhoun always an asshole
He nose everything ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Way off son. What do you contribute or do in the industry.
Nothing I contribute more to society the harness industry sucks
Bunch of old guys
Jews who think they are rich
And girls from the trailer park who think they the most popular girls in high school cause they take selfies in a barn