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Ok… let’s stop producing cars that are creating pollution and killing our planet. Let’s shut down farms that produce animal related goods and by products because animals die needlessly and there are bad actors in those industries too… we’ll retrain everybody who had no real skills at age 50+ to be carpenters and welders. 90% of the people involved I. Harness racing love the horses … unfortunately you’re to blinded by the vendetta and prefer only to see and focus on the other 10%.

Harness racing loses money each day without subsidy. So should EVERY business that operates at a loss be supported by the taxpayers? KMart, Sears, every small business killed by big box stores, rotary phones, the 8-track.....shall I continue? How many animals did Ma and Pa Hardware Store endanger? How many people did they fuck over using drugs and fixing races? How many animals ended up slaughtered? Sears helped build the country, poof. What about all those people who worked there for decades? Did they cry "this is all we know" like the stall muckers of  America do when the free ride is threatened? Sorry, your argument fails as bad as the industry. It's over. Stop taking other people's money that should be earmarked for people like teachers, nurses, law enforcement, EMTs, firefighters, Veterans.....not professional shit shovelers who cry they can't go anywhere else.
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Ok… let’s stop producing cars that are creating pollution and killing our planet. Let’s shut down farms that produce animal related goods and by products because animals die needlessly and there are bad actors in those industries too… we’ll retrain everybody who had no real skills at age 50+ to be carpenters and welders. 90% of the people involved I. Harness racing love the horses … unfortunately you’re to blinded by the vendetta and prefer only to see and focus on the other 10%.
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Sure, the lowest being on track handle and in house revenue from live patrons. The rest is welfare. Thank you for asking. Take away the subsidies and tell me what you're racing for. I'll wait.

So, when Monmouth Park "received" monies to not bring in VLT's, those dollars were a subsidy? When Aqueduct (NYRA) received monies----both from NY State and Genting----those dollars were a type of subsidy? What about the original deal in Ontario, when the Government, and the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation gave dollars to the racetracks? Were those dollars also some type of subsidy? I am just trying to get some distinction here on your perspective.
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While Mr. Petrelli makes good points, I have met many people in the"business". Most are hard working folks who love their horses. I hope that harness racing survives. Despite the "corporate welfare" which they receive.
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I have no idea what license anyone is talking about----however, unless there's been a rule change since 2022----in NJ----USTA membership is not required to be granted and issued a Pari-Mutuel racing license from the State. On the most recent application, it asks if you are a member and there's a box to check, yes or no.

I'll make it simple. No license has been denied. And you are correct, the only state abides by the unwritten rule is it has always been that way. The USTA has NO authority over any state. Never has, never will. But if you listen to the audio I posted on YouTube you hear Michelle Kopiec say something the USTA doesn't want anyone to hear. They CAN AND WILL have a hearing regarding someone who is not allowed to defend themselves or appeal their executive ruling. A membership supported 501c6 not for profit organization who is allowed to rule as they wish and spend as they wish. Why don't people talk about this?
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Documented or undocumented, each of those people need to be fed. Working for it is far better than eating at a charity or stealing to survive. A diversion to a second argument still reveals your darker side. I’m not in favor of dead horses and kill pens either, but when preferences come into play I side with human welfare over animal welfare any day. Jmho.

There's plenty of other jobs out there. So put good money behind bad to support an illicit industry that defrauds the public and endangers animals to feed people who can easily work elsewhere. Yeah, OK.  ngc3
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I have no idea what license anyone is talking about----however, unless there's been a rule change since 2022----in NJ----USTA membership is not required to be granted and issued a Pari-Mutuel racing license from the State. On the most recent application, it asks if you are a member and there's a box to check, yes or no.
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Documented or undocumented, each of those people need to be fed. Working for it is far better than eating at a charity or stealing to survive. A diversion to a second argument still reveals your darker side. I’m not in favor of dead horses and kill pens either, but when preferences come into play I side with human welfare over animal welfare any day. Jmho.
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And then there's Maine, the fair racing capital of the nation. Average yearly earnings per horse just over 11k. Again....TAXPAYER SUBSIDY.....ya know, welfare?


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Just curious, do you consider every dollar that comes into a track's financials (regardless of where it shows up, what line item, etc.)---that doesn't come from the track's operating "revenue---as some type of subsidy?

Sure, the lowest being on track handle and in house revenue from live patrons. The rest is welfare. Thank you for asking. Take away the subsidies and tell me what you're racing for. I'll wait.
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