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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Brkn Headpole on February 04, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
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https://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2020/02/04/State-System-higher-education-budget-Wolf-PASSHE-Pitt-Penn-State-Temple-Lincoln/stories/202002040080
Looks like PA could go back to being an also ran.
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last one out the door shuts the lights off
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Sounds about right, democrats stealing your stuff. Then giving it to someone else!
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they signed off that they cannot do this in the future in the past
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Ohio better be taking notes because it's the the new type of eminent domain. If alot of voters can benefit from that money, the smart politician will find it and procure it.
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So ridiculous! The money they are robbing from the racing community could produce crippling effects
while it is chicken fodder to the state! Pennsylvania gives more money than that to individual lottery winners! Instead of outright thieving they should force the tracks to enforce better drug testing and improvements to their infrastructures!
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...and what would the result of that be?
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Finally get to hear from another Useless Director, Russell Williams. Is he protecting racing or is Russell protecting his financial interests concerning the funding in PA. Spoken like a true whorseman 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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All horse racing has had as much as 25 years of tay payer funding. All racing has had an opportunity to stabilize and improve their product to compete in the evolving entertainment and gambling industries. For all this time and money what have they produced. If the subsidies continue at the same levels it will produce nothing more than the destructive complacency it now supports.
I don't see any meaningful change in an industry that is only competitive with itself and not competitive for market share. Racing behaves very much like an addict. As long as you continue to it dependencies, it will never change it's behavior.
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Finally get to hear from another Useless Director, Russell Williams. Is he protecting racing or is Russell protecting his financial interests concerning the funding in PA. Spoken like a true whorseman 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
WILLIAMS HAS LONGTIME STRONG TIES TO PA...LETS SEE WHERE THIS GOES
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All horse racing has had as much as 25 years of tay payer funding. All racing has had an opportunity to stabilize and improve their product to compete in the evolving entertainment and gambling industries. For all this time and money what have they produced. If the subsidies continue at the same levels it will produce nothing more than the destructive complacency it now supports.
I don't see any meaningful change in an industry that is only competitive with itself and not competitive for market share. Racing behaves very much like an addict. As long as you continue to it dependencies, it will never change it's behavior.
Pretty accurate! I'm just glad some political pressure is working. Just make them aware of what racing actually is and they will have little choice but to cut it off. The industry has had ample time to try something, anything, yet they do nothing. The same 20 gene pools doing the same 3 things.
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The reduction is a done deal,, but how much will be the question
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Let's see what D PaLoan has to say about this.
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Breeders bonus will be ok tho
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The reduction is a done deal,, but how much will be the question
Fake news...
This is going to get fought tooth-and-nail luckily we are tag-teaming with thoroughbreds
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Let's see what D PaLoan has to say about this.
HE HAS ALOT TO SAY
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Fake news...
This is going to get fought tooth-and-nail luckily we are tag-teaming with thoroughbreds
It’s taking a hit,,,,,1000% fact
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Don't remember the details whether there is a minor raid or full blown raid on this money there will be lawsuits filed and it won't be that easy. If it is and a successful raid there are triggers that money still gets paid out in full for a time period. I know there are some safeguards but if politicians were smart which is questionable. They should raid the fund 20mln here 25mln there and make horse racing make it up. Like Hanover giving up those 23% breeders awards.
If all else fails the doom and gloom they can pick up and move to other states with welfare still flowing.
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It’s taking a hit,,,,,1000% fact
No hit will be taken unless the legislation is rewritten & that doesn't often happen. 1000% fact
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IF this happens, the cleansing of the cesspool that is harness racing will begin. Other states will surely follow. As for Pennsylvania whoresmen going to other welfare states, where can they go? Ohio already has full fields with 15 races a night. Maybe New Jersey, and New York, where the King of Bullshit, Jeff Gural, would welcome them with open arms. Might I suggest Cal Expo? They are always looking for entries.
Sincerely, Silent One
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It is quite a leap to be speaking of a total demise of racing in PA. The 200 million dollar claw back seems to be a starting point. It is extremely unlikely it will be this much and done in one or two years.
Whatever the amount is, it will force the horsemen to rethink how the money is spent. I would bet it will mean a sharp reduction in race days as they most likely will have greater restrictions to Pennsylvania bred and owned.
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It`s about fucking time! The horsemen did nothing but look for better drugs to use with the extra purse money. All the little barns were driven out and now it`s time for the big barns to take a hit. How can anybody expect the States to keep pouring money into the purses for these fucking clowns to keep their chemistry sets stocked up? Fuck em! The industry failed itself by not policing the sport and by not promoting it. The sport died years ago, time to bury it.
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And to add more gas to the fire Parx jockey's have refused to accept mounts sighting everything from horrible condition of jocks room to leaking toilets in grandstands with no toilet paper all the while charging the huge takeout. Time to pull the plug on Burke and company.
SAME COLONY THAT REFUSED TO RACE OVER THE SURFACE A FEW YEARS BACK? ngc3
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It’s taking a hit,,,,,1000% fact
Not a fact, This is a proposed budget buy a Democratic Governor that will still have to get it passed in a Republican controlled legislature.
This is just 1 of many things that will have to be negotiated and voted on in the summer.
Many of the governor’s items fare facing long odds, since Republicans have rejected many Wolf’s proposals since he took office in 2015. The plan is already facing objections from the horse-racing industry, charter school proponents and local municipalities not want to pay extra for state police services .
It still may be cancelled or reduced, but if it does happen it will certainly be ligated by the court system.
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Let them litigate, waste more whoresmen money. I can see their argument now. "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. My clients, the whoresmen, are no good, cheating, scum. If the welfare is discontinued, they will have to go out and find JOBS. This is totally unacceptable to my clients. We ask that you render a judgement in favor of my clients, the no good, cheating, scumbag whores.
Sincerely, Silent One
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Well lucky for them there are 7mln job openings around the country with plenty I'm sure with no experience.
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Robbing? Because the state is taking back some of the handouts? If the product was that good it would be self-sufficient and not need to be subsidized by slot playing old ladies.
Robbing because, the Governor's proposal is fundamentally flawed as it seeks to raid a trust fund the legislature established in 2017 to block such transfers. Money in the Race Horse Development Trust Fund (RHDTF) comes from an assessment paid by casinos on their gross terminal revenues from slot machine gaming. The legislature noted in the 2017 Race Horse Reform Act that the money in the RHDTF "are not funds of the Commonwealth" and that the "Commonwealth shall not be rightfully entitled to any money" in the RHDTF. Sounds like robbing to me!
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horsemen have been wasteing all this good money by not making their racing better for the horse players . millions have been wasted on this fake racing . horsemen better wake up its on them as these slot tracks don't want racing if its not profitable on their own.
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horsemen have been wasteing all this good money by not making their racing better for the horse players . millions have been wasted on this fake racing . horsemen better wake up its on them as these slot tracks don't want racing if its not profitable on their own.
U GUYS QUIT BETTING SO ITS GONNA BE OVER SOON
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U GUYS QUIT BETTING SO ITS GONNA BE OVER SOON
I cant bet Pocono as is? they need to clean it up
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I cant bet Pocono as is? they need to clean it up
TICK-TOCK
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The racetracks are all saying Please take the money away so we can shut down a product that does very little for us and let us just have our cash cow casinos.. Horsemen deserve to lose the money, they have done nothing to promote or help the sport since they started receiving the welfare checks
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To be honest, I don't know what a horsemen's group can do to grow the sport and handle. For all the people who advocate a huge and expensive marketing campaign, they need to rethink that. Advertising a product that is unappealing is ridiculous.
Giving up 5% of the purse account to do this is foolish. Giving up 5% of purse account to better police the current product is a solid investment. Once you can up with a program that builds confidence and trust in your current fans and gamblers, you can then advertise for more market share.
I have some thoughts on such a program.
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There`s no fixing it. It`s been done for a long time. Every day moving forward is a gift just like the last 20 years. The horsemen should thank god that they made what they did! Everything comes to an end.
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The first thing that must be built is trust. I don't agree nothing can be done. Trust can be built the old fashion way. By doing what you say.
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Once simulcasting took off it opened the doors to watch better racing and wager on it. Exit the railbirds. Then ADW came along and you can wager anywhere by phone. Exit all brick and mortar. It's 2020 not 1990 and while there is a lot more money in the world there are far more ways to spend it on entertainment. Harness racing was a niche sport couldn't hold a candle to the thoroughbreds. There is not a track that can handle and fund it's purses to the tune owners willing to race for that would allow to pay the cost of owning. There is NO sport and the 5% usage of funds to market is a waste of time. They could spend 10x that and still the interest would be zilch. It's a stale product that races at a mile and most of the race is single file. So thrilling to the average person!!! Not really. Harness racing has no growth because it never had any foresight the past 2-3 decades.
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The first thing that must be built is trust. I don't agree nothing can be done. Trust can be built the old fashion way. By doing what you say.
THE FIRST THING THAT MUST BE BUILT IS A MOSOLEUM.
GO ASK ANYONE ON THE STREET tmbz1