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General Category => Nostalgia => Topic started by: kooter for hipin on June 08, 2023, 04:03:13 PM
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Who was known as "The Mare"
By statistics Greatest 3 time Horse of the Year.
"Horse that God loved"
First million dollar winner
If you go to Google, your only fooling yourself.
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Who was known as "The Mare"
By statistics Greatest 3 time Horse of the Year.
"Horse that God loved"
First million dollar winner
If you go to Google, your only fooling yourself.
Rambling Willie
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Rambling Willie
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Rambling Willie was "The Horse that God loved", but how about the other Three?
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Lets not forget Dan Patch, Greyhound, and Niatross
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Who was known as "The Mare"
By statistics Greatest 3 time Horse of the Year.
"Horse that God loved"
First million dollar winner
If you go to Google, your only fooling yourself.
First Million
I believe Rum Custumer
Haughton stable
Insko driving
The Mare I would guess Goldsmith Maid.
Every stable I have ever been in has a "THE MARE"
Did The Mare get in?
Jog The Mare 4 miles today.
3time HOF
My guess Nevel Pride
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No new winners, try again.
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Hint The Mare was the first North American trotter to earm 1,000,00. She also won the International Trot.
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Sorry, the amount should be 1million.
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First Million
I believe Rum Custumer
Haughton stable
Insko driving
The Mare I would guess Goldsmith Maid.
Every stable I have ever been in has a "THE MARE"
Did The Mare get in?
Jog The Mare 4 miles today.
3time HOF
My guess Nevel Pride
Cum Rumster
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Here is one for you Kooter or anyone else.
I can think of only one tr/dr to collect over $100,000.00 in tr/dr % from just one race. There maybe more, but can you name the tr/dr I am thinking of?
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Quick guess... Malabar Man/Burroughs
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HOFYear
I can only think of 2 3time Horse of the Years.
If it was not Stanley Dancer's trotter then it must be Frank Ervin's pacer.
What are you using for stats?
Wins?
Win%?
Money?
Money perstart?
or what?
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Are you sure it is not Rum Customer?
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Abercrombie
Meadowbranch Skipper
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Abercrombie
Meadowbranch Skipper
Who is Meadowbranch Skipper?
Might you mean Meadow Skipper?
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Who is Meadowbranch Skipper?
Might you mean Meadow Skipper?
Correct auto spell error
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moni maker
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By statistics It was Bret 3 time Horse of the year
The Mare was Fresh Yankee First North American trotting to 1,000,000,000 also won the International Trot
First 1,000,000,000 winner was Cardigan Bay
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By statistics It was Bret 3 time Horse of the year
The Mare was Fresh Yankee First North American trotting to 1,000,000,000 also won the International Trot
First 1,000,000,000 winner was Cardigan Bay
PLEASE, what stats are you using to put pacer Bret above trotter Nevele Pride? not arguing just curious
Will you give Rum Customer credit for being the first USA bred to win a million.
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Here is one for you Kooter or anyone else.
I can think of only one tr/dr to collect over $100,000.00 in tr/dr % from just one race. There maybe more, but can you name the tr/dr I am thinking of?
OK kooter I played nice and gave yours a shot now give mine a shot. Becareful for I can play trivia day and night.
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PLEASE, what stats are you using to put pacer Bret above trotter Nevele Pride? not arguing just curious
Will you give Rum Customer credit for being the first USA bred to win a million.
Rum Customer, no doubt. Cardigan Bay was New Zealand bred and I was surprised to see that result. I know some of this is splitting hairs, however, although both were Harness Horse of the Year 3 times, Bret dragged a human anchor around against the best year after year. He won more money than Nevele Pride, more races, although not in the same years. I personally don't think that Nevele Pride raced against the competition Bret did. That was my era, 60's thru 70's and 80's. Many horsemen were of the same opinion. My favorites during that time were Speedy Scot, True Duane, and Super Wave, Eddie Cobb had a mare and no one will ever know how fast she was. It was Maida Million and if that was your time I guess you knew the story on Eddie. I bred several mares to the ones I named and one made the races. Actually True Duane handed Bret one of his horses. It's to bad they weren't contemporaries.
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OK kooter I played nice and gave yours a shot now give mine a shot. Becareful for I can play trivia day and night.
Meadow, I believe this is more fun than having to abide some on the other forum. Fire away!
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Two Bret questions.
What horse and driver beat Bret at Springfield and again in CA.?
How many sets of shoes (Said to be off Bret)did his groom sell? (Plus or minus 25)
I can't think of the grooms name, but if you can post it I will recognize it.
Grooms wouldn't lie about the origin of shoes would they?
I rubbed a colt that chased Nevele Pride as a three year old.
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Damn .No idea. You guys are even older than me ... lol .. The first great horse I ever saw on the racetrack was Fulla Napoleon which was a few years before I got more involved.
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Two Bret questions.
What horse and driver beat Bret at Springfield and again in CA.?
How many sets of shoes (Said to be off Bret)did his groom sell? (Plus or minus 25)
I can't think of the grooms name, but if you can post it I will recognize it.
Grooms wouldn't lie about the origin of shoes would they?
I rubbed a colt that chased Nevele Pride as a three year old.
I mentioned True Duane above. I had a nice colt by him that I named True North.
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Damn .No idea. You guys are even older than me ... lol .. The first great horse I ever saw on the racetrack was Fulla Napoleon which was a few years before I got more involved.
A really nice horse, a JFA at Yonkers and Roosevelt. The driver was blind in one eye and his name is on the tip of my tongue.
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Here is one for you Kooter or anyone else.
I can think of only one tr/dr to collect over $100,000.00 in tr/dr % from just one race. There maybe more, but can you name the tr/dr I am thinking of?
I had to look that one up. I never could have come up with Land Grant.
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Two Bret questions.
What horse and driver beat Bret at Springfield and again in CA.?
How many sets of shoes (Said to be off Bret)did his groom sell? (Plus or minus 25)
I can't think of the grooms name, but if you can post it I will recognize it.
Grooms wouldn't lie about the origin of shoes would they?
I rubbed a colt that chased Nevele Pride as a three year old.
Dave Willoughby
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Here is one for you Kooter or anyone else.
I can think of only one tr/dr to collect over $100,000.00 in tr/dr % from just one race. There maybe more, but can you name the tr/dr I am thinking of?
This shouldn't be to hard if you work backwards.
With the standard 5% for training and 5% for driving, you would need more then one horse in the race , or if just one horse the purse would have to be over two million. How many races have gone for over two million?
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This shouldn't be to hard if you work backwards.
With the standard 5% for training and 5% for driving, you would need more then one horse in the race , or if just one horse the purse would have to be over two million. How many races have gone for over two million?
Eldon Harner. Fortune Teller
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Dave Willoughby
Yes Yes Thanks old guy. He wouldn't admit it, but he sold more shoes then Bret could ever have worn.
So if anyone has a set of Bret shoes hanging on the wall from your grandfather, they may well have come off a $2,500 claimer.
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Eldon Harner. Fortune Teller
No not this time.
Del Insko as tr/dr won going for over $2 million with Land Grant.
Good guess through.
One year Eldon had a punch of Leigh Hanover colts at Pocono. He kept bitching that the head of the toteboard was the Leigh Hanover stopping pole.
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A really nice horse, a JFA at Yonkers and Roosevelt. The driver was blind in one eye and his name is on the tip of my tongue.
I can still see him in the sulky. Might his name be Henry Thomas or something like that?
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I can still see him in the sulky. Might his name be Henry Thomas or something like that?
Dick Thomas
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Dick Thomas
That sounds more like it.
You are an old(NO WISE) Guy
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Abercrombie
Meadowbranch Skipper
The price of spamming the forum and blaming auto-correct! ngc3
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Well there goes that idea!
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Well there goes that idea!
Please Don't give up my friend.
See if you can guess this.
Atlantic City Race Course early 70's
Aftert the races I walk into the horseman's parking lot.
There just kind of walking around is one of my many idols of that era. He had been there to drive Meadow Split.
I say something like"Is everything ok"?
Who was he?
Why was he just walking around?
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Please Don't give up my friend.
See if you can guess this.
Atlantic City Race Course early 70's
Aftert the races I walk into the horseman's parking lot.
There just kind of walking around is one of my many idols of that era. He had been there to drive Meadow Split.
I say something like"Is everything ok"?
Who was he?
Why was he just walking around?
Count Kef, ( The Poster)I bet you could get this.
Count Kef was a top FFA horse of that era.
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In the 70's Jack Keiser wrote a horse racing column for an east coast newspaper.
It was required reading every morning in the track kitchen.
Keiser hated Stanley Dancer.
He wrote that the only way Stanley could win a race was to have 2or3 seconds on the field, and just go down the road.
He also wrote that the only guy Stanley could out drive was ??? ??? the dr/tr of ??? ???. The arch enemy of Most Happy Fella.
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Today is a rainy day.
"Rainy Days make for ??? horses and ??? grooms.
Can you fill in the blanks?
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Bernny was a long time groom back in the day.
He would get drunk every weekend.
When drunk he would keep repeating
"You got to ??? today because you are going to be a long time ???"
Can you fill in the blanks?
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In the 70's Jack Keiser wrote a horse racing column for an east coast newspaper.
It was required reading every morning in the track kitchen.
Keiser hated Stanley Dancer.
He wrote that the only way Stanley could win a race was to have 2or3 seconds on the field, and just go down the road.
He also wrote that the only guy Stanley could out drive was ??? ??? the dr/tr of ??? ???. The arch enemy of Most Happy Fella.
Roland Shorty Beaulieu , Columbia George
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Bernny was a long time groom back in the day.
He would get drunk every weekend.
When drunk he would keep repeating
"You got to ??? today because you are going to be a long time ???"
Can you fill in the blanks?
Live, dead
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Please Don't give up my friend.
See if you can guess this.
Atlantic City Race Course early 70's
Aftert the races I walk into the horseman's parking lot.
There just kind of walking around is one of my many idols of that era. He had been there to drive Meadow Split.
I say something like"Is everything ok"?
Who was he?
Del Miller
Why was he just walking around?
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Roland Shorty Beaulieu , Columbia George
You got it 100%!
Kieser's column was the Horseplop of the day.
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Please Don't give up my friend.
See if you can guess this.
Atlantic City Race Course early 70's
Aftert the races I walk into the horseman's parking lot.
There just kind of walking around is one of my many idols of that era. He had been there to drive Meadow Split.
I say something like"Is everything ok"?
Who was he?
Why was he just walking around?
Yes Old Guy it was Del Miller, but why was he just walking around?
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Live, dead
Right you are my friend!
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Yes Old Guy it was Del Miller, but why was he just walking around?
Couldn’t find his car. In fact I have a vague recollection that it was stolen.
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Couldn’t find his car. In fact I have a vague recollection that it was stolen.
Yes you are right about not finding his car. I think we have all been there. I don't know about it being stolen.
Del was a most personable gentleman. He could and would talk to the lowlyest of grooms.
Del went on to say that not only couldn't he find his car, but he had just rented it at the airport and he couldn't even remember what it looked like. I asked if I could help. Laughingly he said "Na I just might have to wait till every one else goes home."
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Two Bret questions.
What horse and driver beat Bret at Springfield and again in CA.?
How many sets of shoes (Said to be off Bret)did his groom sell? (Plus or minus 25)
I can't think of the grooms name, but if you can post it I will recognize it.
Grooms wouldn't lie about the origin of shoes would they?
I rubbed a colt that chased Nevele Pride as a three year old.
It was Gentleman Jim Dennis driving Adios Vic that twice beat Bret. Adios Vic had one giant brush, if saved till last 1/16 he could out brush bret.
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It was Gentleman Jim Dennis driving Adios Vic that twice beat Bret. Adios Vic had one giant brush, if saved till last 1/16 he could out brush bret.
Yeah it was Adios Vic, the scourge of Hollywood Park, however, True Duane beat him once there too. I was there. The real Redman drove a couple I raced there then up to Bay Meadows. I have always believed that great horses make there own races and do not rely on fast early fractions. The best of that era after Bret, et al, was Super Wave with Kopas OFF. Adios Vic, much like Always Be Mickey would develop a severe case of of the shorts when crossing the George Washington bridge.
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Back in the 60's-early70's, everyone used wooden shaft sulkies. 80% were made by Jerald. What great driver of the times who trained and drove for the Armstrong Bros of Ontario, owned a major interest in Jerald? He also trained and drove the great trotting mare, Fresh Yankee.
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Yes Old Guy it was Del Miller, but why was he just walking around?
By any chance were you at AC when Walter Kinsey was there?
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By any chance were you at AC when Walter Kinsey was there?
The name doesn't ring any bells.
Was he tr/dr or maybe judge?
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By any chance were you at AC when Walter Kinsey was there?
Yes….W D Kinsley often referred to as Fuzz because of his goatee
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Yes….W D Kinsley often referred to as Fuzz because of his goatee
Are we thinking of the same guy. He was chubby and came up from Seminole with some cheap stock?
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Here's a tough one, I lived in Old Brookville on Long Island, a short drive from Roosevelt. In my very young years when I was perhaps 16-17, my friends and I used to jump the fence at Orbachs. There was a very gutsy claimer who was probably the biggest crowd favorite. He was trained and driven by jimmy Cruise and came out of every race looking dead lame. Thus nobody even conceived of claiming him until The Hickory Way Stable and George Regan took a shot. This was a big time horse. Who was he?
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OH Boy way to far back for me.
I am guessing that when you were 16/17 I was back in first grade. I had about 20 classmates then.
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OH Boy way to far back for me.
I am guessing that when you were 16/17 I was back in first grade. I had about 20 classmates then.
I am 78.
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Here's a tough one, I lived in Old Brookville on Long Island, a short drive from Roosevelt. In my very young years when I was perhaps 16-17, my friends and I used to jump the fence at Orbachs. There was a very gutsy claimer who was probably the biggest crowd favorite. He was trained and driven by jimmy Cruise and came out of every race looking dead lame. Thus nobody even conceived of claiming him until The Hickory Way Stable and George Regan took a shot. This was a big time horse. Who was he?
Frank T Ace
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My relative!
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Today is a rainy day.
"Rainy Days make for ??? horses and ??? grooms.
Can you fill in the blanks?
" Rainy Days make for (FAST) horses and (DRUNKEN) grooms"!
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Frank T Ace
UNFUCKING REAL!
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UNFUCKING REAL!
You absolutely know who I am. I'm tall and was a big board changer. I use Al Winger or Frankie Tags for a price and Chappy for a sure home run. I played gin in the track kitchen with Herve. He was terrible. and not real good at AC either. Did you know Danny Marks? Big time tout. Died way back. I spoke of him to Sam R who I don't see here anymore.
I also got in on a lot of Eddie Cobb action.
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OPION! Thoroughbreds
Who was better, Zynyetta or the Licorice Stick, or too close to call?
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Back in the 60's-early70's, everyone used wooden shaft sulkies. 80% were made by Jerald. What great driver of the times who trained and drove for the Armstrong Bros of Ontario, owned a major interest in Jerald? He also trained and drove the great trotting mare, Fresh Yankee.
I don't know about sulkies one bit.
Fresh Yankee was Joe O'Brien I believe ... also
ARMstrong BROthers = ARMBRO ... (bonus ;D)
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Back in the 60's-early70's, everyone used wooden shaft sulkies. 80% were made by Jerald. What great driver of the times who trained and drove for the Armstrong Bros of Ontario, owned a major interest in Jerald? He also trained and drove the great trotting mare, Fresh Yankee.
Good Morning Kooter,
I think you are wrong about "Jigglin Jesus" owning a
part of Jerald. I think it was the CA. company Wilform.
Back in the 70's Wilform under Joe came out with the first offset race bike. It was not acceped then, but today all the new bikes are offset.
The Wilform bikes were real heavy. They were referred to as Joe's war wagons.
It was said of Joe that the first 1/4 you couldn't keep in out of a hole and the last 1/4 you couldn't keep him in a hole.
Jerald of Waterloo, Iowa still make jog carts and fancy carts for show horses.
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Wilform….correct
Good Morning Kooter,
I think you are wrong about "Jigglin Jesus" owning a
part of Jerald. I think it was the CA. company Wilform.
Back in the 70's Wilform under Joe came out with the first offset race bike. It was not acceped then, but today all the new bikes are offset.
The Wilform bikes were real heavy. They were referred to as Joe's war wagons.
It was said of Joe that the first 1/4 you couldn't keep in out of a hole and the last 1/4 you couldn't keep him in a hole.
Jerald of Waterloo, Iowa still make jog carts and fancy carts for show horses.
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SP Park paddock Mid60's
I am a teenager.
I am adjusting something on the race bike.
Joe (Jigglin Jesus) O'Brien walks near.
He stops and picks up the shafts of the race bike and squeezes them together. He never said a word.
I was so nervous all I could think about was that this is Mr. O'Brien and he is helping me.
What was I adjusting?
Why was he squeezing the shafts together?
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Joe O'Brien winter trained in Shafter, CA.
When he would ship east he would bring along a gazillion 5 gallon pails full of something.
Each pail weighted a gazillion pounds.
Gazillion, now that is big!
What was in the gazillion pails?
What was it used for?
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Back in the day most stables kept an up to date equipment card on each horse. Most likly taped to the inside of that horses tack trunk.
On the eq card what would 28-56-88 mean?
How about 3 5/8 - 50 degrees - level - 5/16" half round?
Or maybe 3 1/2 - 55 - degrees - level- 1/2" half round half swedge?
Or Murphy/L ?
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Good Morning Kooter,
I think you are wrong about "Jigglin Jesus" owning a
part of Jerald. I think it was the CA. company Wilform.
Back in the 70's Wilform under Joe came out with the first offset race bike. It was not acceped then, but today all the new bikes are offset.
The Wilform bikes were real heavy. They were referred to as Joe's war wagons.
It was said of Joe that the first 1/4 you couldn't keep in out of a hole and the last 1/4 you couldn't keep him in a hole.
Jerald of Waterloo, Iowa still make jog carts and fancy carts for show horses.
Well now I know I'm wrong. Joe O'bien along with being a great horseman, was a monster prick. Nobody on the backstretch liked him at all. And he liked to be referred to as Mr. O'Brien. I raced the Hollywood Park meet with O'Brien, Vallaro, Farrington, Dennis, and Vladdingham. It was a great meet, with all the big FFA's coming for the big overnight purses. I remember Joe, setting the World Record for pacers with Steady Star who wore everything in the tack shop, even a brush shadow roll, time 1:52 with prompters at the Red Mile. Who broke that record in Northern Ca. The horse was owned by Lloyd Arnold who also owned the track where the record was broken.
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A side story about Rum Customer, a horse you obviously favor and Bret, a horse I favor, If you put both names in a bag and I got to reach in and pull one out, I would be overjoyed with either. The reason I favor Bret ever so slightly is because he spent his career, dragging a human anchor around the track while Rum Customer basically had Del. I think the tooth pick might have helped.
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Well now I know I'm wrong. Joe O'bien along with being a great horseman, was a monster prick. Nobody on the backstretch liked him at all. And he liked to be referred to as Mr. O'Brien. I raced the Hollywood Park meet with O'Brien, Vallaro, Farrington, Dennis, and Vladdingham. It was a great meet, with all the big FFA's coming for the big overnight purses. I remember Joe, setting the World Record for pacers with Steady Star who wore everything in the tack shop, even a brush shadow roll, time 1:52 with prompters at the Red Mile. Who broke that record in Northern Ca. The horse was owned by Lloyd Arnold who also owned the track where the record was broken.
Warm Breeze with Dick (not Bob) Farrington.
Who did Lloyd Arnold (Arnold Cattle Co,) first own horses with. Before Bob Farrington.
In the early 60's my father sold a horse to (S )(B ) and Arnold Cattle Co.
Joe was known for his horses to wear the whole tack box.
When it came time to write the chapter on equipment in Care And Training they knew just who to call on.
What did Stead Star not wear, that most pacers do?
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SP Park paddock Mid60's
I am a teenager.
I am adjusting something on the race bike.
Joe (Jigglin Jesus) O'Brien walks near.
He stops and picks up the shafts of the race bike and squeezes them together. He never said a word.
I was so nervous all I could think about was that this is Mr. O'Brien and he is helping me.
What was I adjusting?
Gaiting strap
Why was he squeezing the shafts together?
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Joe O'Brien winter trained in Shafter, CA.
When he would ship east he would bring along a gazillion 5 gallon pails full of something.
Each pail weighted a gazillion pounds.
Gazillion, now that is big!
What was in the gazillion pails?
What was it used for?
California mud to pack feet
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Back in the day most stables kept an up to date equipment card on each horse. Most likly taped to the inside of that horses tack trunk.
On the eq card what would 28-56-88 mean?
How about 3 5/8 - 50 degrees - level - 5/16" half round?
Or maybe 3 1/2 - 55 - degrees - level- 1/2" half round half swedge?
Or Murphy/L ?
Race bike size
Front shoeing measurements
Rear shoeing measurements
Murphy blind
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Warm Breeze with Dick (not Bob) Farrington.
Who did Lloyd Arnold (Arnold Cattle Co,) first own horses with. Before Bob Farrington.
In the early 60's my father sold a horse to (S )(B ) and Arnold Cattle Co.
Joe was known for his horses to wear the whole tack box.
When it came time to write the chapter on equipment in Care And Training they knew just who to call on.
What did Stead Star not wear, that most pacers do?
Don't have a clue without cheating. Who else owned horses with Bob same time as Lloyd. He was areal good friend from New Philadelphia, Ohio?
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Don't have a clue without cheating. Who else owned horses with Bob same time as Lloyd. He was areal good friend from New Philadelphia, Ohio?
Stan Banks
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Stan Banks
Vic Galanga Liked to use Harry Burright when Bob was not available
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Stan Banks
Yes it was Stan Banks that first owned horses with Arnold.
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Yes it was Stan Banks that first owned horses with Arnold.
Didn't ask for first, just at the same time.
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Here's a good one although it isn't in tune with this topic. What is the only Pari-mutuel (sport) that could be past-posted and yet it went on for years and years, had it's Glamour days and in the past few years has fallen into almost extinction.
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Here's a good one although it isn't in tune with this topic. What is the only Pari-mutuel (sport) that could be past-posted and yet it went on for years and years, had it's Glamour days and in the past few years has fallen into almost extinction.
Jai alai
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Didn't ask for first, just at the same time.
Kooter,
I think "Old Guy" was correctly answering my question about who owned horses with Arnold before Bob, not your question about Ohio guy with Bob at same time as Arnold.
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In 1980 why was Burgomeister the sentimental favorite to win The Hambletonian?
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Kooter,
I think "Old Guy" was correctly answering my question about who owned horses with Arnold before Bob, not your question about Ohio guy with Bob at same time as Arnold.
My mistake! I only sent a few to Sportsman and I thought Stan Banks also drove at one time but that may be incorrect. At any rate you both know your shit.
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Jai alai
You are correct sir. It amazed me that no one really figured that out, however that game was directed at rich, old Jewish widows.
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You are correct sir. It amazed me that no one really figured that out, however that game was directed at rich, old Jewish widows.
Formerly Danai Jai Alai, now The Casino @ Dania Beach was a short ride from my house in Hollywood when I lived down south. I'd go there for poker, and simulcasting. Never bet a Jai alai match, but watched them play - pretty cool.
The former President of the old company let us host a charitable comedy show, before he upped and moved his life and career to Vegas. tmbz1
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My mistake! I only sent a few to Sportsman and I thought Stan Banks also drove at one time but that may be incorrect. At any rate you both know your shit.
Yes Stan Banks was a top tier Ow/Tr/Dr/Breeder/ Catch driver/ farm owner ,and all around fun guy to be around.
To a lesser degree his brothers Dwight and Les. Fun guys to be around, but just not the success Stan got.
What major Maywood stake race did Dwight win with Black Shadow?
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In 1980 why was Burgomeister the sentimental favorite to win The Hambletonian?
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It was Peter’s horse and tragically he was killed in a car wreck earlier in the year.
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It was Peter’s horse and tragically he was killed in a car wreck earlier in the year.
Yes you are right again.
My favorite Peter Haughton story.
Peter and two grooms with the horses Hello Tomorrow and DR.Dewers ship into Hughsville, PA. for 16 year old Peter's first go as a driver.
The Brookledge van leaves them there to race the next day.
The grooms have their beds and no problem sleeping in front of the stalls.
Peter on the other hand has no bed.
Peter puts together a couple hay bales, throws on a horse blanket or two, and takes a race bike cushion for a pillow.
All is well.
Early the next morning a newspaper photographer is taking pictures of the fair for the afternoon edition.
On the front page is Peter Haughton under the horse blankets sleeping on the hay bales.
The caption read,
Stableboy Resting at The Fair.
Peter didn't like being called a stableboy!
Was I there? Yes
Was I also in Peter's first races? Maybe
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Frank T Ace
Wasn't it Saul Finkelstein who owned Frank T Ace along with his daughter before the famous claim?
Do you remember Cold Front and Angelo Pelillo. I had two nice colts from Cold Front and both were medium level B pacers.
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Old Guy,
The horse is in your pasture.
How about you give us a good story or question.
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Old Guy,
The horse is in your pasture.
How about you give us a good story or question.
Ok. Let me try this: Yonkers had an invitational pace featuring Cardigan Bay and Bret Hanover. What front runner was also invited to assure fast fractions?
Who drove him?
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What year?
Who won?
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Ok. Let me try this: Yonkers had an invitational pace featuring Cardigan Bay and Bret Hanover. What front runner was also invited to assure fast fractions?
Who drove him?
Sweet Luck Joe Cardana
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Sweet Luck Joe Cardana
Outstanding
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Outstanding
Didn't Cardana also have another burner named Palm Reward ?
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Toby Star also fit in with that bunch. A Dancer prompter.
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Didn't Cardana also have another burner named Palm Reward ?
Yes. You’re sharp.
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Yes. You’re sharp.
Back at ya'
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Nick names for John Chapman & George Phalen
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Nick names for John Chapman & George Phalen
Chappy, can’t recall George’s
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GP
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Chappy, can’t recall George’s
Chapman ---Golden Hands
Phalen------Railen Phalen
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Chappy, can’t recall George’s
You are right with Chappy, however around the backstretch he was referred to as Golden Hands. He drove quite a few of my horses
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One of the best double gaited horses. Raced Roosevelt, yonkers 60's-70's. B class on trot-----B class on pace Horse & driver?
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Steamin Demon. Cecil Champion maybe? or Speedy Romeo but he was later than that
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Steamin Demon. Cecil Champion maybe? or Speedy Romeo but he was later than that
Dillrod Robert Cherix
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Dillrod Robert Cherix
Ah. Yes