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Harness Racing / Re: Good Grief, Not Another Positive!
« Last post by titans1127 on Today at 05:25:53 PM »
I guess only human positives matter in Delaware.
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Harness Racing / Re: Good Grief, Not Another Positive!
« Last post by Kirby's Ace on Today at 05:17:59 PM »
Yes. Two peas in a pod there.
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Harness Racing / Re: Doug Dilloian Jr
« Last post by jupiter on Today at 05:03:31 PM »
Good guy, glad he's having success works hard
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Harness Racing / Re: TRUMP CRIMINAL TRIAL POLL
« Last post by jupiter on Today at 05:02:23 PM »
If he testifies, he will have to plead the fifth or lie his ass off. I don't think they'll let him ramble, like out in the hallway everyday. He's fucked
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Harness Racing / Re: TRUMP CRIMINAL TRIAL POLL
« Last post by jupiter on Today at 04:56:39 PM »
The Orange Turd, perfectly put.
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Harness Racing / Re: Doug Dilloian Jr
« Last post by Sunmoon 1219 on Today at 04:54:51 PM »
This guy out east had that war horse for years So HO Lennon A A tough ass horse.
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Harness Racing / Re: Race Secretary
« Last post by freshlasix on Today at 04:52:01 PM »
Oh and they forgot to mention the 3 Billion Dollar economic impact from horse racing in the state of New York
Jobs and economic impact? The justification for horse racing is based on industry claims of 19,000 jobs and $3.3 billion in economic impact. This American Horse Council report, 9 only a few pages in length, was funded by the industry itself, and costs $50 to obtain. In it, there is no mention of the lack of revenue to support the state, no verifiable details and comprehensive data on the jobs and economic impact, and certainly no analysis of the potential economic impact of redirecting billions in subsidies to other businesses with far greater potential to grow the economy of New York. Jobs and economic impact are not unique to horse racing. That’s why New York grants business licenses—to create those benefits for the state.  Hundreds of thousands of private businesses in New York receive no public bailout and yet create millions of jobs and generate hundreds of billions in economic impact.  Citing the previously mentioned journalist Ryan Goldberg “Every few years, the industry trots out industry-financed economic impact studies from racing organizations or trade groups like the American Horse Council. Their numbers then appear in state or state-commissioned reports as authoritative sources, when they’re anything but. I looked at a recent one treated like gospel, published in 2018 by the American Horse Council about New York’s horse industry. It certainly didn’t show its work; it was thinly sourced and confusing, with lots of bold numbers interspersed with glossy photos of horses from NYRA racetracks, photos credited to New York’s thoroughbred horsemen’s association. It reported that New York racing created 12,815 direct jobs and close to 7,000 in indirect jobs—tourism included—for a total impact of $3.08 billion on the state’s economy. It later noted, however, that just 2,583 people were employed in “racing and track operation,” which seems to be the most relevant category. The study, it acknowledged, was commissioned “with major support” from New York’s thoroughbred horsemen’s and breeders’ associations.” 16 Where exactly are these 19,000 jobs? When Global Foundries, the Department of Motor Vehicles, or your local supermarket chain talk job numbers, they support their claims. Racing does not do that. What percent of racing jobs are full-time, earning a livable wage and have healthcare, retirement or family leave benefits? How many poorly compensated jobs in racing must rely on low income state programs? New York State should demand detailed, county by county, job data so the state can independently verify the “19,000” jobs. In the words of Bennett Liebman, the former New York State Deputy Secretary for Gaming and Racing, and cited here earlier “We may not know how many jobs [racing] has produced, but it is certainly nowhere near the levels that the surveys authored on behalf of the industry have indicated.”  If we cared about the workers in this industry we would stop talking about the questionable number of jobs and start talking about the quality of the jobs themselves. Where exactly is the detailed proof of the $3.3 billion claimed in economic impact?  Think about this example: the Saratoga County Industrial Development Agency reports10 in great detail that the Saratoga Race Course is responsible for $237 million in economic impact for the large 9-county region around its flat track. This single track in Saratoga is responsible for more than 50% of the attendance of all eleven tracks in New York,11 much of the state’s breeding and most of the tourism.  How is it possible then that it has only $237 million, or 8%, of the touted $3.3 billion in economic impact claimed by racing?  Are the other 10 tracks, with less combined attendance than the Saratoga Race Course alone, somehow responsible for the remaining 92% of racing’s total speculative state-wide economic impact? That seems impossible.  The American Horse Council study does not identify how much of this economic impact is “net new” and would not occur if the industry were absent, or if the industry changed such that horse racing decreased and the recreational and competition sectors remained the same. The study does not provide the level of analysis necessary to understand the true economic impact or drain on taxpayers of horse racing in New York State. Yet, the media, legislators and racing interests hold this dubious study up as factual. It’s also stated by racing that billions in casino subsidies are justified because racing funds agricultural jobs, farms, green space and tourism. If that were so, New York would equitably subsidize the many diverse businesses achieving these same goals. As one example, the larger equine competition and recreation sectors encompass many more horses and produce employment and economic impact in New York State—without casino subsidies. Racing is unique in that it has a far greater and disproportionate influence in government, giving it a broad range of specialized benefits, subsidies and tax exemptions. Future attendance predictions are dismal. 2021 Marist Poll results12 show horse racing is not something New Yorkers care about as 91% of those surveyed stated they have no intention of ever attending and 6% reporting they intend to go once or twice.  Attending one or two days of racing when there are 1,200 days of racing in New York, rounds to zero economic impact—for 97% of New Yorkers in the poll. Unfair to other businesses in New York.
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Harness Racing / Re: Race Secretary
« Last post by freshlasix on Today at 04:46:23 PM »
Testimony regarding New York State budget allocations for the regulation of horse racing and the lack of tax revenue generated by pari-mutuel betting on horse racing. The 2022 New York State Joint Legislative Budget Hearing on Economic Development
New York State subsidizes the breeding of extremely valuable racehorses, and then subsidizes the purses they die for on New York tracks…these two investments are clearly at cross-purposes.
What are some of the reasons for the lack of racing revenue?   ● First, decades of declining interest in horse racing has sunk this business. Except for the brief 8-week Saratoga Race Course season and the Belmont States week in Elmont, attendance at most tracks is down more than 90% annually from their heyday.  In 1978 annual racing attendance was at 12.6 million.5 Reports in 2018 show 2.1 million total attendees.6 The Gaming Commission has even stopped reporting attendance at all 7 harness tracks. This is important as live wagering at the racetrack is where the New York State treasury and the racetracks make the highest percentage of the wager. Online services and advance deposit wagering platforms for horse racing don’t provide any meaningful tax revenue for New York.  As Joe Spector wrote in The Democrat & Chronicle about the heavily subsidized purses “Purses at New York's seven harness tracks have tripled over the past 14 years, creating an unprecedented dynamic: There's nearly no one in the stands, but the prize money is at levels not seen in decades.” 7 In the 1970s, Yonkers Raceway saw a record average daily attendance of 25,800.21 Now they average less than one hundred people (down 99%),6 who are milling around on track days while their affiliated racino kicks off $63 million in annual subsidies to harness racing. 3  Why aren’t the local residents who host that racino demanding a far bigger share of support for their own community?
  New Yorkers are not aware of how unprofitable harness racing is. The 2021 NYS Spectrum Gaming Report states that some tracks will run a day of racing and make as little as $660 profit from the handle: “For example, New York harness tracks in 2018 averaged from about $6,600 to $38,500 a day for live on-track handle. The track might retain about 10 percent of that after paying taxes, purses, and winning wagers. With handle revenue of about $660-$3,850 a day, you might suggest closing the track grandstand would be more efficient.”14 ● Second, racing’s $2.5 billion annual handle is highly publicized.  But $2 billion, or 80% of this handle, is “exported out of state.”8 That represents bettors in other states wagering on NY racing—and taxed by those other states—not ours. Our subsidies that pay for New York racing are contributing generously to the treasuries of other states.  From the 2021 NYS Spectrum Gaming Report: “Export race signals: Wagers made elsewhere on a racetrack’s content receive a host fee. How that host fee is divided varies by state. In New York only the horsemen’s purse account and the track shares in that compensation (§238(1)(b)(c)), leaving the State tax or racing commission and breeders fund excluded from any distribution of that compensation.” 14 ● Third, NYS Sales Tax exemptions for the purchase of racehorses in New York State. ● Forth, there is a growing public sentiment against racing due to the killing, drugging, slaughter and criminal activity, including 27 indictments that are in NY courts right now.  The state has documented that 1,600 young horses have died at New York tracks just since 2009.
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why spend even $300 in pre racing a 5k claimer. Makes no sense. its not like you can make a big score at the windows. the pools are 2 small and watered down anymore. alot of this post doesnt make sense to me but then agaion what do i know 
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Harness Racing / Re: Can we start bidding on stuff at horsehaggle?
« Last post by Illegal Larry on Today at 04:40:22 PM »
The address for this place comes back in Las Vegas and it's a UPS store, probably another Nance gimmick!
nance raced a horse at hop last week. unless hes just a paper trainer for someone.
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