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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: JIDGE on September 13, 2023, 01:50:46 PM
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RACE 8 - The Red Mile - KY - September 17, 2023
Conditions: KENTUCKY SIRES STAKE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES FINAL 3 YEAR OLD COLTS & GELDINGS
Gait: PacePurse: 400,000Class: KYSSFINALDistance: 1 MilePost Time: 3:13 PM
PP Horse Med 2023 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Claim
Equip Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Price
1 A Cool Moment
3, Captaintreacherou s-
Cool Treasure 13 5 3 1 1:50.2S $89200 Joey Putnam Joe Putnam
2 Command
3, Captaintreacherou s-
Fable 11 5 3 1 1:50.0F $128475 Todd McCarthy Brett Pelling
3 Larceny
3, Always B Miki-
Someomensomewhere 11 0 3 2 - $56846 Brian Sears Jennifer Bongiorno
4 Camsolution
3, Camgrandest-Ohmybelle 14 4 0 6 1:51.3M $56894 Randal Jerrell Randal Jerrell
5 Confederate
3, Sweet Lou-Geothermal 8 7 1 0 1:46.1M $877929 Tim Tetrick Brett Pelling
6 Kopi Luwak
3, Stay Hungry-
Auniqueaquistion 10 2 0 0 1:49.1M $66250 Andrew McCarthy Tony Alagna
7 For Once Inmy Life
3, Downbytheseaside-
Flyme To The Moon 12 4 2 1 1:50.1F $121800 Andrew McCarthy Noel Daley
I'm assuming It's My Show is headed to the Jug along with Cannibal and perhaps Seven Colors.
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RACE 8 - The Red Mile - KY - September 17, 2023
Conditions: KENTUCKY SIRES STAKE CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES FINAL 3 YEAR OLD COLTS & GELDINGS
Gait: PacePurse: 400,000Class: KYSSFINALDistance: 1 MilePost Time: 3:13 PM
PP Horse Med 2023 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Claim
Equip Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Price
1 A Cool Moment
3, Captaintreacherou s-
Cool Treasure 13 5 3 1 1:50.2S $89200 Joey Putnam Joe Putnam
2 Command
3, Captaintreacherou s-
Fable 11 5 3 1 1:50.0F $128475 Todd McCarthy Brett Pelling
3 Larceny
3, Always B Miki-
Someomensomewhere 11 0 3 2 - $56846 Brian Sears Jennifer Bongiorno
4 Camsolution
3, Camgrandest-Ohmybelle 14 4 0 6 1:51.3M $56894 Randal Jerrell Randal Jerrell
5 Confederate
3, Sweet Lou-Geothermal 8 7 1 0 1:46.1M $877929 Tim Tetrick Brett Pelling
6 Kopi Luwak
3, Stay Hungry-
Auniqueaquistion 10 2 0 0 1:49.1M $66250 Andrew McCarthy Tony Alagna
7 For Once Inmy Life
3, Downbytheseaside-
Flyme To The Moon 12 4 2 1 1:50.1F $121800 Andrew McCarthy Noel Daley
I'm assuming It's My Show is headed to the Jug along with Cannibal and perhaps Seven Colors.
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Who called this? I told you a month ago Confederate will not race in Jug. Now I'm going to say there is less than 50/50 It's My Show races. He might get drawn into the box BUT it will be 50/50 if he races.
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I am glad you are proud of yourself. It's a damned shame for racing.
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I'm not proud. I'm telling you what I knew. Bowden will not expose Confederate on a half mile track because he has zero gate speed and would get smoked at Delaware. He has to protect him every way he can now. Doesn't race Cannibal in the KYSS so he can avoid accidentally beating Confederate. Instead he uses a rat to whack stupid fractions to set up the race. Bowden is no "hollier than though" horseman. He spoiled arrogant trust fund baby playing with daddy's money.
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Not gonna go 15 rounds with you on this one. We know you hate Confederate and his connections. I try not to argue with smartest guy in the room - all downside, no upside.
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Why would you want to race a half mile track when you can race a mile track for$400.000 it is like a walk in the park and who is avoiding who here lets see who shows up in Oct. at the Red Mile.
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I'm not proud. I'm telling you what I knew. Bowden will not expose Confederate on a half mile track because he has zero gate speed and would get smoked at Delaware. He has to protect him every way he can now. Doesn't race Cannibal in the KYSS so he can avoid accidentally beating Confederate. Instead he uses a rat to whack stupid fractions to set up the race. Bowden is no "hollier than though" horseman. He spoiled arrogant trust fund baby playing with daddy's money.
The horse has gate speed -- he's grabbed the top easily in 26.4. I'm sure they feel there's no need to race two heats on a half -- which by the way may come from Pelling, since Bowden enjoys the money. I highly doubt they're afraid Cannibal will accidentally beat him. As far as Bowden -- I have no idea what his financial statement, etc. looks like, but he is having a helluva year with two of the best 3yr old pacers and possibly one of the best ever. Remember the guy's been at it 15 plus years. We'll see who shows up later in the meet at the Red Mile and then Indiana.
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this is the way it was always going to play out
its my show likely shows up at the jug with cannibal
why race for second money for $400k when you can try to win for $1m
when you have the luxury of having a few very good horses like diamond creek you can play this game
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this is the way it was always going to play out
its my show likely shows up at the jug with cannibal
why race for second money for $400k when you can try to win for $1m
when you have the luxury of having a few very good horses like diamond creek you can play this game
100% This. Diamond Creek is sending Cannibal to Delaware because he NEEDS the win to get into a position where he can be a commercial stallion. Confederate is already there. Give Confederate the easier path with less money, and push and try to get another stallion people will pay 10k to breed to in Cannibal. They could win the Jug with Confederate and lose money in the long run by not giving Cannibal a chance to become big time.
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Other than the purse...which is fantastic...nobod y thinks winning the jug is important for a horses value for one as great as confederate...no trainer wants to race on a half wi t h star like that...
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100% This. Diamond Creek is sending Cannibal to Delaware because he NEEDS the win to get into a position where he can be a commercial stallion. Confederate is already there. Give Confederate the easier path with less money, and push and try to get another stallion people will pay 10k to breed to in Cannibal. They could win the Jug with Confederate and lose money in the long run by not giving Cannibal a chance to become big time.
Agree with all -- except I don't think Cannibal needs to win the Jug to be commercial -- I think he's there already, but a good performance (more cash on his card) will certainly enhance his value. The question is what state will stand Confederate and what state will stand Cannibal. And there's always the possibility they race Cannibal at 4 -- not so much with Confederate.
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Other than the purse...which is fantastic...nobod y thinks winning the jug is important for a horses value for one as great as confederate...no trainer wants to race on a half wi t h star like that...
Very true. I'm guessing it's Pelling's call and he's right.
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Great analysis here. Ultimately it is about the money and all of use, me too would play it the same way given the luxury. I wish them all well and good luck except IMS and her BS "trainer".
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Double the purse.
Jug purse is not double. The Million everyone is referring to includes the purses for eliminations. I’m guessing 2 eliminations going for 200 and final for 600
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Read a facebook PRAISING It's My Show Connections for going to the jug.
Please - The connections feel there is no way to be Confederate and the second place check in Lexington is 100K......
If the tables were turned and Confederate went to the Jug - Show would be in Lexington.
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Okay for each horse that races and makes the final, they are racing for $200K in one elimination and $600K in the final. That totals $800K which is double the race in Lexington.
Yep and confederate raced in his elim last week for $80k.
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And if more than 16 enter the jug then the elimination goes down to around 140k. Draw the 8 for your elimination you either race your guts out of setting for an outside post an hour later
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just wait for the breeders crown and all the best ones will be there
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I agree it is good that Its My Show is going to the Jug. What I saw was awhile ago. If you are correct, it is not good for harness racing for the best horse to be racing in different races week after week.
Can't wait to see It's my Show get beat in the JUG!
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Double the purse.
To show the world you have a really exceptional, versatile horse and not one that went in hand picked , set up races. Good thing there is not a straight mile track with a $7;000 purse or the horse would be there.
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To show the world you have a really exceptional, versatile horse and not one that went in hand picked , set up races. Good thing there is not a straight mile track with a $7;000 purse or the horse would be there.
Little trivia : who was the last horse to win the jug that can be considered a top sire ?
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Little trivia : who was the last horse to win the jug that can be considered a top sire ?
Shadow Play maybe
Better's Delight no doubt
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Shadow Play maybe
Better's Delight no doubt
Shadow Play is a good sire but doesn’t compare to Beach in the breeding shed
Every year lately I hear you gotta race in the Jug to be considered a top horse and stallion prospect. Just looked back to 1960 and I only see 4 winners that could be considered top sires that influence the breed
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Correct -- 4 in 62 years.
Bret
MHF
Life Sign
Bettor's Delight
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Little trivia : who was the last horse to win the jug that can be considered a top sire ?
It may be that like confederate, they protected the horse and skipped the jug??.
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Again, draw the outside and pray to make the final. Get an 8 in the final and pray. Why would they bother going to the JUG. His value as a stud is not going to increase because he won the jug. More people will breed to him because he won the jug. I don't believe either. IMS is a nice horse, let's see if he can beat Cannibal. Linda vs Nancy, Linda vs Bret, I don't like Linda's chances.