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Title: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 18, 2024, 09:38:19 PM
Why would you want Gingras to drive a 2yo colt trotter or 3yo colt trotter?  He has gotten 7 favorites beat in the Hambo and has zero skill to win the big one with a trotter.  Karl will be another disaster because he has been taught nothing on how to race.  He will not be able to just go down the road and win the Hambo.  Yannick doesn't know how to set one up.  We will all see the abomination in Aug.  Takter is a glutten for punishment to keep using him. 
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: hoosierboy on April 18, 2024, 09:43:15 PM
Not saying I’m a Yannick, but just wondering How many champion trotters have you driven?
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: SwankToliverA on April 18, 2024, 09:46:19 PM
Why would you want Gingras to drive a 2yo colt trotter or 3yo colt trotter?  He has gotten 7 favorites beat in the Hambo and has zero skill to win the big one with a trotter.  Karl will be another disaster because he has been taught nothing on how to race.  He will not be able to just go down the road and win the Hambo.  Yannick doesn't know how to set one up.  We will all see the abomination in Aug.  Takter is a glutten for punishment to keep using him.
I wouldn't, but then again I'm not a Yannick fan. He is over-rated imo.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: The Exporter on April 19, 2024, 06:05:31 AM
Why would you want Gingras to drive a 2yo colt trotter or 3yo colt trotter?  He has gotten 7 favorites beat in the Hambo and has zero skill to win the big one with a trotter.  Karl will be another disaster because he has been taught nothing on how to race.  He will not be able to just go down the road and win the Hambo.  Yannick doesn't know how to set one up.  We will all see the abomination in Aug.  Takter is a glutten for punishment to keep using him.
I would love some of that punishment Gingras has given Takter. 
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 19, 2024, 11:16:30 AM
Not saying I’m a Yannick, but just wondering How many champion trotters have you driven?
Never claimed to be a driver.  How many horses do you have to get beat in big races to realize your not a top top driver?  Way over rated.  Someone on here posted a question a while back.  How many Breeders Crown has Yannick won on horses other than Takter or Burke?
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: jupiter on April 19, 2024, 11:57:31 AM
If I had a 2 or 3 yr old trotter, either sex, I would absolutely use him. He hasn't won a Hambo a lot of top drivers never won it. Do you think his record with 2 and 3 yr olds trotters is bad? I'd take him in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: JENNY FROM THE BLOCK on April 19, 2024, 01:37:16 PM
difference if you win on the lead every week or from behind? a win is a win.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Lance on April 19, 2024, 01:49:23 PM
I would love some of that punishment Gingras has given Takter.

Me two.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Brkn Headpole on April 19, 2024, 02:22:40 PM
I've seen Yannick win many times 1st time up on a trotter for non brand name trainers also.. He can keep one together. There's many circumstance involved into why he hasn't won a Hambo but I think lack of talent isn't the answer.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: SDST2009 on April 19, 2024, 06:02:40 PM
Certainly drivers I would pick over him for a trotter, but he will get a Hambo at some point, I am sure. Maybe this year.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 19, 2024, 08:30:32 PM
rumor on the street is DD came into train Karl this week.  guess they took him to Meadowlands and he couldn't stay flat for Yannick.  Time will tell.  Jimmy is definitely calling the shots on this one.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: PIGLAND on April 19, 2024, 08:52:05 PM
yannick get nothing out of a horse . its only what is in the horse that makes them win .
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Brown jug on April 19, 2024, 09:41:21 PM
jimy calls the shots on all of them
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 19, 2024, 10:45:11 PM
YG is a top driver. He's got his strengths as a driver. People say if he wasn't driving for Takter or Burke he'd be a nobody. Not true. Sure, he'd lose a lot of business, but plenty of people have seen enough of him and would use him. His batting average would go down, but he'd still be on plenty of people's short list.....at least for a while. Do I think he'd lose all his business and leave town (like Bill Fahy did), no, I don't think so. That said, I am not a fan and I think he's overrated.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 19, 2024, 11:26:46 PM
YG is a top driver. He's got his strengths as a driver. People say if he wasn't driving for Takter or Burke he'd be a nobody. Not true. Sure, he'd lose a lot of business, but plenty of people have seen enough of him and would use him. His batting average would go down, but he'd still be on plenty of people's short list.....at least for a while. Do I think he'd lose all his business and leave town (like Bill Fahy did), no, I don't think so. That said, I am not a fan and I think he's overrated.

If he lost Takter or Burke he would be heading to Ohio or another state.  Without those two he can't try to bully people on the track.  His style is only good on lazy horses and he doesn't know how to protect a horse.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: SDST2009 on April 20, 2024, 04:58:56 PM
His style is only good on lazy horses and he doesn't know how to protect a horse.

Spot on tmbz1

Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 21, 2024, 04:13:08 PM
He must know the writing is on the wall.  He's been training all of Alagnas recently.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: hoosierboy on April 21, 2024, 06:28:22 PM
He must know the writing is on the wall.  He's been training all of Alagnas recently.

Must not help his case.  Alagna isn’t using him
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 21, 2024, 10:07:52 PM
ahhh but wait.  Yannick had no good 2yo colt last yr and Alagna has captain luke with no real driver.  todd will take noel's colt for sure so alagna needs a driver.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 22, 2024, 01:27:17 PM
Much ado about nothing. Sitting behind Tony's horses now is nothing more than YG trying to get business from Tony, not now, but for the spring and summer when it counts. Not sure why if he's still going to give first call to Nancy and Burke. Doesn't make a difference to me. I still think he's overrated and certainly not a top driver for 2yo's IMO.   
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: MCR on April 22, 2024, 01:55:17 PM
Yannick can't be to bad he is first call for Burke and takter on many horses.  He gets a lot out of a horse.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 22, 2024, 02:05:46 PM
Yannick can't be to bad he is first call for Burke and takter on many horses.  He gets a lot out of a horse.

True. They like him. He can get a lot out of certain (types) horses at times. Helps for 3yo's and racehorses. Not my choice for a 2yo.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Papillon on April 22, 2024, 03:53:25 PM
Yannick can't be to bad he is first call for Burke and takter on many horses.  He gets a lot out of a horse.

Yes he is, Burke and Takter are well aware of it

they want a point a go driver not one who will work out a 2nd over trip
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: theokodjak26 on April 22, 2024, 10:55:55 PM
Yannick drove the perfect race tonight in the Borgata final. Paid a huge price winning easily.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 22, 2024, 11:01:24 PM
Yannick drove the perfect race tonight in the Borgata final. Paid a huge price winning easily.

He didn't drive anything.  He was a winner by circumstance.  They don't go blazing fractions and he doesn't get a sniff.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: theokodjak26 on April 22, 2024, 11:17:49 PM
Yannick has won over $50 million since 2020 and jerk offs say things like he was a “winner by circumstance”. What great drivers do is put their horses in a position to win regardless of circumstances. Does this mean there isn’t a certain amount of luck? Of course not but I didn’t see any other driver in the Borgota final anywhere close to take advantage of the circumstances. Give the man the credit he deserves and stop moronic comments like the one Mr. Sanchez just posted.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on April 22, 2024, 11:23:25 PM
Yannick getting bashed for the Borgata drive tells me he's got no chance to ever get credit on this site. A lot of people are very biased/tired of him beating them
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: The Exporter on April 23, 2024, 06:10:08 AM
It looks like the Horseplop experts were their usual wrong, again. Everything that was said about Gigras being nothing more that a front running retard with little to no talent
was proven to be to be all Horseplop.
 Congratulations to Yannick.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 24, 2024, 03:09:37 PM
The little French fucker is piece of shit and would rob from his own mother.  Go ask Ake how he likes Yannick?  Sarah won't be around much longer.  11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Brown jug on April 24, 2024, 03:55:07 PM
perhaps,
but what does that have to with his driving ability
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: theokodjak26 on April 25, 2024, 02:14:31 AM
perhaps,
but what does that have to with his driving ability
Exactly. This guy must sit around jerking off all day while making crap up that no one agrees with or cares about. Yannick is one of the driving stars in harness racing. He worked very hard to get where he is. He has succeeded on all racing surfaces in Canada and the USA. I am not aware of any serious infractions in all the years I have watched him. Yet here we have some jealous moron saying awful things about Gingras and Mr Sanchez has probably never spoken to him. Horseplop would be so much better if we didn’t have to read the lies and hate that people like Sanchez brings.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 26, 2024, 09:46:06 AM
I'm not the only one on here that thinks he is no talent.  He's horrible on a two yr old and he's completely interchangeable with anyone that can hold lines for Burke and Takter.  Burke could replace him with ANY driver and get the same or better results.  Doesn't take talent to be a cowboy and send them.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: theokodjak26 on April 26, 2024, 10:11:33 AM
Absolute nonsense
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 26, 2024, 10:15:01 AM
Absolute nonsense

That's your defense?  How many BC does YG have?  Better yet how many does he have for non Burke or Takter horse?  Of all those how any did he NOT send the horse?  When Burke puts Ronnie Wrenn up on his good stock you will see these horses explode.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on April 26, 2024, 10:57:36 AM
That's your defense?  How many BC does YG have?  Better yet how many does he have for non Burke or Takter horse?  Of all those how any did he NOT send the horse?  When Burke puts Ronnie Wrenn up on his good stock you will see these horses explode.

I don't understand why wins from off the pace mean more than wins from on the front end. Gamblers want horses in play. In today's game, you have to involved in the race. Trainers don't out him down expecting him to take back and hope for solid fractions, do they?
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: theokodjak26 on April 26, 2024, 11:04:47 AM
At Yonkers in 2024 so far. Yannick win percentage with Burke horses 20.5% 42/204. Yannick with all other YR trainers 20.6% 79/383. This is against the best driving colony in the USA. What the hell is your point? Have you been losing money betting against Yannick. Is that your problem? Yannick is in second place in total earnings in the USA so far. His UDRS is .356 which is #1 in the USA amount all the top drivers. Mr. Sanchez you are not helping yourself, with many in the know people on Plop, with your constant negative comments about one of the best drivers in the industry. I am done responding to you and your negative, inaccurate comments.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on April 26, 2024, 12:15:23 PM
At Yonkers in 2024 so far. Yannick win percentage with Burke horses 20.5% 42/204. Yannick with all other YR trainers 20.6% 79/383. This is against the best driving colony in the USA. What the hell is your point? Have you been losing money betting against Yannick. Is that your problem? Yannick is in second place in total earnings in the USA so far. His UDRS is .356 which is #1 in the USA amount all the top drivers. Mr. Sanchez you are not helping yourself, with many in the know people on Plop, with your constant negative comments about one of the best drivers in the industry. I am done responding to you and your negative, inaccurate comments.

You are contributing and using FACTS to support your position? Hmmmm, there's a new one for this place. It's so extremely rare, people will not know what to say, do, etc. As they say, don't let FACTS get in the way of BS, nonsense, and stupidity. Thank you for posting FACTS! Don't worry, someone will say it's too small a sample, it is distorted because of the time of year, etc. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: seen2much on April 26, 2024, 09:09:18 PM
Yanni is a top driver. I would rather have D. Miller, Dunn, Tetrick, or Zeron on a young trotter.
Gringras also drives for Engblom at Yonkers.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: jupiter on April 27, 2024, 11:41:09 AM
He looked fine on Karl today.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on April 27, 2024, 12:17:14 PM
Worst possible prep.  Horse is not learning anything being on front all the time.  He will not win being on front every week.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Harness racer on April 27, 2024, 02:12:38 PM
I agree it's not great overall...but you can't put him in a strangle hold behind much lesser competition in that qualifier.
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Bitter Truth on April 27, 2024, 02:31:19 PM
Didn't see it, but don't see how he would have been under much more of a hold then he must have been in 58.0 half.
Hard to argue with 54.1 back half though. Could be YG's year to break thru in Hambo with Jimmy on board.  tmbz1
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Harness racer on April 27, 2024, 02:39:42 PM
KARL is an absolute monster!  Horse of the Year this year if he stays healthy!
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: TimTimTimbo on April 27, 2024, 04:07:56 PM
KARL is an absolute monster!  Horse of the Year this year if he stays healthy!

YEP

Burke apparently said TCI was not at his best at end of year.

TCI will still lose by 3 or 4 lengths. Just a guess but Karl will go 49 in an absolute jog. be it at Big M or more likely Lexington. 48 and change maybe
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: Harness racer on April 27, 2024, 04:24:10 PM
YEP

Burke apparently said TCI was not at his best at end of year.

TCI will still lose by 3 or 4 lengths. Just a guess but Karl will go 49 in an absolute jog. be it at Big M or more likely Lexington. 48 and change maybe

Not sure what his bottom would be if pushed.  But 48 and change is a definite possibility!
Title: Re: Why would you want Gingras on colt trotter?
Post by: SDST2009 on April 27, 2024, 04:38:34 PM
Yanni is a top driver. I would rather have D. Miller, Dunn, Tetrick, or Zeron on a young trotter.

I agree 100%.
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