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Title: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: Zookeeper on September 18, 2018, 03:27:51 PM
In race 10 on 9/5/2018 at Hoosier Park, Sam Widger blatantly stiffed the horse Mr. Gorgeous. The fine as listed on the most current USTA list was noted as “other”  =$500! Unbelievable act of cronyism if there ever was one!
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: MR.DALRAE on September 18, 2018, 04:17:54 PM
Open your eyes
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: PIGLAND on September 18, 2018, 06:17:05 PM
he should never have that job
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: seriously on September 18, 2018, 06:20:57 PM
What was the purse? And pools? I find it very difficult to believe that Widger would stiff a horse for a paltry payout.

It was a 100% as bad as Alan Davis at Harrington a few years ago.  Sam REALLY had to do some creative line work to get this one to miss.

Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: Rabbi Of Racing on September 18, 2018, 06:21:32 PM
total stiff by Sam,no one can argue that
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on September 18, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
MAGEE IS A VERY VERY SICK MAN, WHOLE LIFE IN MY OPINION WAS BASED ON DECIET.   HE WAS THE POSTER CHILD FOR THE MOST CORRUPT RACING PROGRAM IN NORTH AMERICA, ILLINOIS.   

IN THE EIGHTIES WE SAW THE REAL MAGEE WHEN HE CAME OUT HERE AND GOT CURB STOMPED,,,

SAD RACING ALWAYS CHOSES CORRUPTION RATHER THEN INTEGRITY.
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: Bernie Madoff on September 18, 2018, 06:43:29 PM
MAGEE IS A VERY VERY SICK MAN, WHOLE LIFE IN MY OPINION WAS BASED ON DECIET.   HE WAS THE POSTER CHILD FOR THE MOST CORRUPT RACING PROGRAM IN NORTH AMERICA, ILLINOIS.   

IN THE EIGHTIES WE SAW THE REAL MAGEE WHEN HE CAME OUT HERE AND GOT CURB STOMPED,,,

SAD RACING ALWAYS CHOSES CORRUPTION RATHER THEN INTEGRITY.









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Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: slivercharm on September 18, 2018, 07:37:26 PM
In race 10 on 9/5/2018 at Hoosier Park, Sam Widger blatantly stiffed the horse Mr. Gorgeous. The fine as listed on the most current USTA list was noted as “other”  =$500! Unbelievable act of cronyism if there ever was one!

Sam doesn't what he's told why isn't trainer or owner fined as well. How are they gonna attract bettors when u have people stiffing just absurd
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: LockedOnALine on September 18, 2018, 07:37:42 PM
total stiff by Sam,no one can argue that

...Hows P Wrenn liking the DOUBLE STANDARD??
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: seriously on September 18, 2018, 08:13:16 PM
Good point!  Sam's was VISIBLY worse.
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: the beach on September 19, 2018, 12:33:05 AM
Any replay of it?
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: swoodall on September 19, 2018, 01:25:46 AM
In race 10 on 9/5/2018 at Hoosier Park, Sam Widger blatantly stiffed the horse Mr. Gorgeous. The fine as listed on the most current USTA list was noted as “other”  =$500! Unbelievable act of cronyism if there ever was one!


Nobody in this forum has attacked Magee and the Indiana Racing Board more than me with their bullshit decisions protecting the cheaters. hcx.1

When I do it the asslickers line up to attack me and defend Magee. 43z.stf

But you Zookeeper have escaped their wrath so far so lets hope it stays that way. tmbz1

I do have one problem with this particular race and determining Widger's effort or lack there of. 11.wp

I lean towards the over paced race causing Widger to have too much ground to make up in the stretch.

Why?

1.) I watched and bet this race using Widger 91zxa.1

2.) Trace blew up the fractions for this class on a Tyler George crotchrocket and the winner gotta two hole trip.

For this Nw-4/cl16 class the fractions were  27.0  54.4  1:23.2  1:52.1

Pop Speed the winner got a perfect trip and a new lifetime mark.

Widger's horse trained by Bellamy has no early speed.

He raced almost identical to his standard type of race from off the pace flying late in the mile.

In fact his 27.2 last quarter is faster than his normal closing time.

Mr. Gorgeous raced again on 9-13 in slower fractions of 27.3 and 56.4 and still couldn't keep up early.

This time Widger closed in 27.0 and LOST GROUND in the 26.3 final quarter.

I was more pissed about this race than his 9-05 race. 91zxa.1

Anyway tomorrow Widger is not driving at Hoosier and you get Oosting to drive same class out of the 9 hole. 74zac.1

We'll see what happens.  11.wp   
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: Jctoronto on September 19, 2018, 07:19:21 AM
swoodall's take on this legit.
The winner had protected trip and enough to hang on..
I remember the program for that race...and widger seconding again 'logical'.

Finishes like that happen everywhere in all kinds of horseracing.    Getting a 500 dollar fine for that finish may well have to do with 'betting pattern' for event.....to me, widgers horse finishing second was ok by me, even though the replay looked 'tantalizingly painful' if you had him on top.
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: LUCPARK on September 19, 2018, 07:57:23 AM
2018..YR OF THE SNOWFLAKES tmbz1


CANT WE JUST LOSE A RACE WITH DIGNITY ngc3

INSTEAD OF ALL THE CRYIN
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: AGUA CALIENTE on September 19, 2018, 07:59:40 AM
Tough Crowd and even Tougher Comments.
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: slivercharm on September 19, 2018, 08:35:18 AM
2018..YR OF THE SNOWFLAKES tmbz1


CANT WE JUST LOSE A RACE WITH DIGNITY ngc3

INSTEAD OF ALL THE CRYIN


Why did widger get fined then
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: seriously on September 19, 2018, 09:28:26 PM
Mr Gorgeous had to come up empty in his next start.  Otherwise it would be all the more obvious.

And regarding the race setup of his stiff, it isn't the fractions, the easy trip the winner had, or anything else.  What it is, is Sam Widger's physical actions in the bike beginning 4 or 5 pylons before the wire.  It was really that bad.  

The beauty is with Mike up tonight, they could be on "go" with the explanation new driver/new hands/new results.  It was actually a solid play.
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: Bruce Jenner on September 20, 2018, 01:33:59 AM


    A bag of idiots here he is being watched and cant use the juice anymore.
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: swoodall on September 20, 2018, 04:19:33 AM
Mr Gorgeous had to come up empty in his next start.  Otherwise it would be all the more obvious.

And regarding the race setup of his stiff, it isn't the fractions, the easy trip the winner had, or anything else.  What it is, is Sam Widger's physical actions in the bike beginning 4 or 5 pylons before the wire.  It was really that bad.  

The beauty is with Mike up tonight, they could be on "go" with the explanation new driver/new hands/new results.  It was actually a solid play.


I wish I could say I made a killing but I didn't. angbk

I hate Plano and was lucky to get a small profit out of the race. 91zxa.1

And didn't come close to making up for the previous loss. :'(

Horse raced exactly the same way with a few hard whacks from the drunk midget. 11.wp

Dead last at the 1/2 (parked) and closed late as the front speed faded. 11.wp
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: swoodall on September 20, 2018, 04:24:54 AM


WIDGER, SAMUEL D         BEECHER, IL       YOB 1963
HoP on 9/5/2018

FINED: $500
OTHER



Where does it say what race the violation occurred in or what the violation was about?

How do people know it was for his drive on Mr. Gorgeous?

Is this posted somewhere else with more detail because this is the only posting I found?
Title: Re: Dave Magee should be fired!
Post by: seriously on October 11, 2018, 08:06:47 PM
Sam has really gone downhill after that stiff.  He was an 18% winner up to Sept. 5 with a UDRS of .308.  Since then he is a meager 11% and .235.

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