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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harness Stats on February 17, 2020, 11:08:20 PM
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She made more money (801,000) than any other 2 year old last year regardless of gait. So who gets the credit for all of her success so far? The daughter of Captain Treacherous was bought for $55,000 at Harrisburg by the Lyons Brothers. Given to Gareth Dowse to train as a 2 year old along with a bunch of other Lyons horses, Blue Chip Farms horses, and others. Started her year with Dowse never finishing worse than 2nd in her first 3 races, then the "Guru" mentions in his column that Dowse has a very high training percentage which leads to Josh Marks threatening Ray Schnittker who he accuses of shooting his mouth off. Within a week or so all of Dowse's horses were taken away and I don't remember him racing anything for the rest of the year. Lyons Sentinel and others owned by the Lyons Brothers were given to the Kings and here is Jim Kings quote after she won the She's A Great Lady. “About the time she walked into my barn I could tell she’s pretty special.” So who gets the credit for what she accomplished?
Dowse? He obviously started her off right ... The Kings? They did get all the wins.. The "Guru"? for starting a chain of events that forced a barn change.. or what? IMO Dowse at least deserves some recognition.
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Last start by Dowse was July, 2019, and his USTA license expired 12/31/19.
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Where is Dowse these days
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Don’t think Marks wasn’t “helping “ King (Tetrick) all along
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The great ones can usually overcome obstacles! As far as Dowse is concerned, time and time again he's proven that he couldn't train a cat to drink milk! Josh Marks never met a horse he couldn't drug or a beard he couldn't ruin! His record as a loser is well documented!
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He has a colourful bunch of beards .
Purple and yellow , green and red and the list goes on
Only questions is why isn't the bum living high on the hog like Sukdik is
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Thanks everyone for reading my first post, here's my take so far
Thanks for the info Dingus, like I thought Dowse is done.
Help, you miss the point. She's a game talented filly but like so many of the ancient elders on this site she cant even put her own shoes on by herself. 73cv.2
I agree with Stan durbread. I don't think Marks had anything to do with the filly. He was associated with Blue Chip with his girlfriend Traci. Only the Lyons horses went to the Kings. Some of the Blue Chip horses were sold .. Quincy Blue Chip went for $335.000 at OnGait on July 15. I don't remember where the other went but not to the Kings.
As for The Master's assumption that Dowse couldn't train a cat to drink milk (which is bad for them anyway). Yes he was a beard and had a positive in 2018, but it was reported that he and his wife were very hard workers and you don't get the results he had in the two seasons he was around without doing something right
Iceman... Name me one horse that Surick ever had that was extraordinary? To my knowledge he had one Breeders Crown winner who did NOTHING the next year. Menary has had only 2 horses that were in any way extraordinary He's Watching and Sintra and He's Watching is just a freak of nature with his insane speed for his size.
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Josh marks ,G areth Dowse, And the dude from Iowa.
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She is responsible for her own success.
MOSTLY tmbz1
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Horse was nothing with dowse
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That's not what Jim King said after she won the She's a Great Lady. She only raced 3 times for Dowse never worst than 2nd. I don't have her PPS but I think there were stakes races and her margin of loss was minimal
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Any horse Josh Marks touches should come with a warning label, like cigarettes.
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How does Jim king go from a journeyman of a trainer/driver to batting .400 ?
Stock upgrade? It’s all in the blood ...
Married Jo Ann Looney
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Marks took those garbage pieces from Bulletproof and went to the jug and jugette and the breeders crown . Morrill said they never knew where the mile ended .
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Surick only won that Breeders Crown with the help of Josh Marks. Sold the filly after to Jimmy Takter and she never raced as 3yo. Completely torched after Marks blew her head off for Breeders Crown.
Actually Erv Miller trained the horse Surick and KDM owned her She was sold to Diamond Creek was put into training and I believe did race a few times without doing much. Anyone with access to back stats can check it Someomensomewhere was her name.
Heres what Adam Bowden said at the start of her 3 yr old campaign
"She has trained well in the lead-up to her qualifying on Saturday," noted Bowden. "Bob and I expect her to be very competitive this year. We think she fits well in this crop of three-year-old fillies. She is staked to everything and we will give her a shot as long as she tells us to.
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How does Jim king go from a journeyman of a trainer/driver to batting .400 ?
Stock upgrade? It’s all in the blood ...
Right now he'd have to go cold to be batting .400
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I just report the news. I thought it weird at the time that Erv was the listed trainer and Surick the owner. You are probably right about how she won etc but the posted news story on the Hambletonian Society News Blog was ….
Oct 30, 2016 · Someomensomewhere, returning $36.00 to win, won her third race in 11 starts, amassing $407,771 in earnings for owners Nick Surick Stable LLC and KDM Stables Corp. She gave trainer Erv Miller his sixth career Breeders Crown win and driver Marcus Miller his first.
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Marks took those garbage pieces from Bulletproof and went to the jug and jugette and the breeders crown . Morrill said they never knew where the mile ended .
Guess that was because of his training expertise! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I seen in the training roster at reville farm that Rick Huffman who I believe is from Iowa has a horse for the Lyons/ goller that looks like she was a nice 2 year old last year......wonder how he got hooked up with that on??🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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The great ones can usually overcome obstacles! As far as Dowse is concerned, time and time again he's proven that he couldn't train a cat to drink milk! Josh Marks never met a horse he couldn't drug or a beard he couldn't ruin! His record as a loser is well documented!
The Master of rumour what a dick you are , a keyboard warrior full of Bullshit. What horses have you ever trained Dowse has spent his whole !lifetime around horses . He spent 15 years at Schnittkers barn , do you think he learned nothing, Why did Schnittker make him his right-hand man for 9 years .Schnittker and his mates got jealous of Dowse because he got some good yearlings off contacts he'd made in harness racing. Lyons horses are owned by the Lyons family from Wales in the UK where Dowse is from. Dowse is still training and doing nicely despite the assholes like you and Gurfien and Schnittker and his cronies who proved nothing in their accusations of Dowse
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Thanks everyone for reading my first post, here's my take so far
Thanks for the info Dingus, like I thought Dowse is done.
Help, you miss the point. She's a game talented filly but like so many of the ancient elders on this site she cant even put her own shoes on by herself. 73cv.2
I agree with Stan durbread. I don't think Marks had anything to do with the filly. He was associated with Blue Chip with his girlfriend Traci. Only the Lyons horses went to the Kings. Some of the Blue Chip horses were sold .. Quincy Blue Chip went for $335.000 at OnGait on July 15. I don't remember where the other went but not to the Kings.
As for The Master's assumption that Dowse couldn't train a cat to drink milk (which is bad for them anyway). Yes he was a beard and had a positive in 2018, but it was reported that he and his wife were very hard workers and you don't get the results he had in the two seasons he was around without doing something right
Iceman... Name me one horse that Surick ever had that was extraordinary? To my knowledge he had one Breeders Crown winner who did NOTHING the next year. Menary has had only 2 horses that were in any way extraordinary He's Watching and Sintra and He's Watching is just a freak of nature with his insane speed for his size.
Two facts for you Harness Stats that you have missed out. Dowse was investigated for 7 months , no case to answer. His licence was never suspended he let it expire to sort all the bullshit that had been thrown at him from supposedly good friends (jealous assholes).
Dowse has renewed his licence and owns and trains his own horse
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Can you explain why Josh was wanting to fight Ray over parking the Dowse horse at Pocono?
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Where is Dowse these days
Yonkers