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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: horsetruth on August 08, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
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Crawford's owners with trainers in Harness and Thoroughbred Industry who killed horses
and no penalty and still have their name up and still are owners. Harness racing needs
some integrity. The horses died. You think they did not know the type of people they
were dealing with?
ABSOLUTELY!!! 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Money does not buy integrity.
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Money does not buy integrity.
INTEGRITY
DONT GET YOU PICTURES NEXT TO JASON AND JEFFREY THE HEBREW
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I remember when I first thought of getting into harness racing..About 35 years ago..the one thing I remember the most is my dad told me " Son, Your going to meet all kinds of people in this business and DONT trust anyone!"
No truer words ever spoken!
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That whole Alagna ownership group has a profound belief in their own self-importance and utilize their money to dictate to the entire industry in all aspects... from sales, stakes, the media, regulators and track operators. Their money buys them what they perceive as respect, yet 9/10 small horsemen detest what they represent and when they win a race such as the Hambletonian. Their deck in Florida in the winter is nothing but a bunch of well-heeled phoney cunts and everyone who can suck up to them hanging off their coat tails.
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Honestly, I look at things objectively. These are just not good people for the most part. Absolutely no jealousy , at least on my part. I have dealt with these individuals in the past and I could not sleep at night knowing I treated people in the manner they have. I deal with people who are honest, not feign honesty. Honesty in action , not in words.
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That being said, I don’t think they cheat. Just spend $$$$ in buying and caring for the horses. They just use that money to influence regulators, track management, racing media and the races themselves; at the peril of whoever stands in their way. The inner circle, for the most part, are just bad people, with a few exceptions.
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Crash .... You say they don't cheat.
If they are racing clean, how do regulators and or track management help them win more ?
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Come on now. The Crawfords are the feel-good story of the Summer. Minus the allegations of dead horses....and the allegations of doping and falsified vet records....and the federal racketeering ones....but besides that---Feel good story of the Summer.
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Crash .... You say they don't cheat.
If they are racing clean, how do regulators and or track management help them win more ?
Regulators: by utilizing their money and influence they become chummy with USTA Board members, racing officials, many of w
hom have a history in the horse racing community. By utilizing their influence and connections, they have the ear to push forward their agendas and utilize internal knowledge ( eg. Propulsion ) about ways to walk the minimizing line of requirements to “follow the rules”. The trainer And ownership group utilize these connections and influence to achieve self-interest goals.
Track operators: I’ll sponsor a race or series, you write me the classes and who knows what else.
Media: read today’s HRU... says it all. 10 owners won the whole card of racing, hence get all the publicity. Those same 10 owners and breeders just happen to be advertising with HRU.
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Crash, don't get me wrong, I hate cheats.
Not sure what the regulators can do except warn an owner when a drug test is coming, and you started by saying you don't think they cheat.
Agreed, operators can write good conditions for overnight races. Doesn't help with big money stakes.
As for media coverage, if you win, you get the coverage. Media don't have time for the 5th place finisher's connections.
I think this is simply an industry of money and numbers. If you spend enough money on a bunch of well bred babies, and you're willing to drop big bucks on established horses that are for sale, you're going to end up entered and winning a bunch of races.
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Crash .... You say they don't cheat.
If they are racing clean, how do regulators and or track management help them win more ?
Of course. Money is power.
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I cannot define a depth of cheating cause I have no evidence they do. But I can define pompous assholes and an air of self-importance and belittling others. A large proportion of the Alagna ownership group exude these traits.
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crawfords are good people ,,christian family ,,pillars of the community
and they blessed with money
why dont u people stop hating
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crawfords are good people ,,christian family ,,pillars of the community
and they blessed with money
why dont u people stop hating
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Yea why hate the Crawford’s they only employed 4 out of the 5 top guys Indicted? No way they new what was going on . Funny how Alagna Barn is only one that the horses from indicted trainers can function. Oh and Lou too
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OMFG ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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You make yourself look even dumber than you actually are with these posts...which is quite a feat.
You think he doesn't know this? It's his Ace up the Sleeve for pigeon hunting ;D
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You think he doesn't know this? It's his Ace up the Sleeve for pigeon hunting ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 73cv.2 73cv.2 ngc3 ngc3
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umm, so doing your homework and buying well bred and well conformed yearlings and training them in florida by a successful trainer is somehow wrong or illegal??
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Not wrong and not illegal. But being a bad person and dishonest in business is not a redeeming quality.
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Agree Crash. Lets also getting something straight Tony is a fine trainer. Start the list of Crawford trainers from the time the Crawford's starting racing and the laundry list is mighty dirty. Crawford's, I'm sure on good behavior going forward but they are tarnished during this whole FBI sting and who knows what else is left in the bag.
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money cant buy real tits,when everyone knows they are fake
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money cant buy real tits,when everyone knows they are fake
Stop it,,, she’s a breast cancer survivor
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Not wrong and not illegal. But being a bad person and dishonest in business is not a redeeming quality
i agree with the above comment, it appears you were speaking about the crawfords specifically, i was speaking in general terms about people who invest heavily in the business and deserve their success
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Yea why hate the Crawford’s they only employed 4 out of the 5 top guys Indicted? No way they new what was going on . Funny how Alagna Barn is only one that the horses from indicted trainers can function. Oh and Lou too
When Doves Cry pelling barn
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You are right, Iceman, Small men in stature don't belong in the game.
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Regulators: by utilizing their money and influence they become chummy with USTA Board members, racing officials, many of w
hom have a history in the horse racing community. By utilizing their influence and connections, they have the ear to push forward their agendas and utilize internal knowledge ( eg. Propulsion ) about ways to walk the minimizing line of requirements to “follow the rules”. The trainer And ownership group utilize these connections and influence to achieve self-interest goals.
Track operators: I’ll sponsor a race or series, you write me the classes and who knows what else.
Media: read today’s HRU... says it all. 10 owners won the whole card of racing, hence get all the publicity. Those same 10 owners and breeders just happen to be advertising with HRU.
Bang on!! Just a shitload of pretentious assholes and the smelly fake titted kunty that thinks her shit don't stink
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I was more referring to Myron twinkle toes Bell and the in the gym and on the deck or wherever else Alagna can bend them over. That whole deck crew in the winter are just a bunch of self involved people. The have the money to buy and train the best horses, the money to buy the influence, the money to advertise how good they think they are, and are able to shape the industry while the small time horsemen can do nothing but act like sheep. 10-20 owners control the whole industry, and 75% of these owners can’t look in the mirror and truthfully like what they’ve become.
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You are right, Iceman, Small men in stature don't belong in the game.
for 1000 alex
what is ..
"MEN WHOS WIVES WONT LET THEM BUY A HORSE"
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I was more referring to Myron twinkle toes Bell and the in the gym and on the deck or wherever else Alagna can bend them over. That whole deck crew in the winter are just a bunch of self involved people. The have the money to buy and train the best horses, the money to buy the influence, the money to advertise how good they think they are, and are able to shape the industry while the small time horsemen can do nothing but act like sheep. 10-20 owners control the whole industry, and 75% of these owners can’t look in the mirror and truthfully like what they’ve become.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE EVIL JEWS OF HARNESS RACING. THEY ARE EVIL AND NEED TO BE REMOVED, AT ANY COST
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OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE EVIL JEWS OF HARNESS RACING. THEY ARE EVIL AND NEED TO BE REMOVED, AT ANY COST
Like the evil Crawford’s?
Which synagogue do they go to?
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Like the evil Crawford’s?
Which synagogue do they go to?
Dingus ... They changed their name from Crawfenberg in the 40's !!!
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gee crash sounds like you want to get invited to the deck but your invite got lost in the mail
damn those successful people !!
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gee crash sounds like you want to get invited to the deck but your invite got lost in the mail
damn those successful people !!
Why would anyone want to be anywhere near the Crawfords or anyone else involved with Navarro, Surick and Oakes?
What they did to horses I'd rather never repeat
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Why would anyone want to be anywhere near the Crawfords or anyone else involved with Navarro, Surick and Oakes?
What they did to horses I'd rather never repeat
Been there... no thanks.