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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: jupiter on April 13, 2020, 07:17:26 PM
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Samstar can you tell us how long MSOA can lay out 100k a month to keep the place open. Are any other associations paying to stay open to horses.
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I am no longer on the board but I do believe that the MSOA has available about 5 months of credit with the Casino that can be used to keep the track open without going into the purse account. I think that Rich Gillock and the rest of the board are doing a terrific job. We have a ten year contract and for the past several years we have paid no stall rent. It is easy to complain but these guys are doing a bang up job.
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As far as other organizations go, most no longer have a backstretch and those that do are all paying stall rent!
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As far as other organizations go, most no longer have a backstretch and those that do are all paying stall rent!
Great job by Rich, Dirk, etc.
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I heard that there will be a MSOA meeting on Friday to see what can be done for owners, trainers, etc.
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Bill . Question will you get indicted?
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Bill . Question will you get indicted?
YIKES
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It will be interesting to see how many of the Meadows great trainers will be on any new list of indictments, or how many are from the Ohio. I think they will have a quite few!!
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It will be interesting to see how many of the Meadows great trainers will be on any new list of indictments, or how many are from the Ohio. I think they will have a quite few!!
Meadows quite likely, just sayin ;D
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Bill . Question will you get indicted?
That's an easy one. NO!
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I heard that there will be a MSOA meeting on Friday to see what can be done for owners, trainers, etc.
I understand that a committee has been formed to see if the MSOA can help any trainers but I also believe that the law does not allow the use of any purse money to be distributed without a race.
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Meadows quite likely, just sayin ;D
Anyone that has a working relationship with the indicted trainers might be nervous.
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I understand that a committee has been formed to see if the MSOA can help any trainers but I also believe that the law does not allow the use of any purse money to be distributed without a race.
I guess Dover Downs doesn’t have that kind of restriction when they gave purse money out that wasn’t raced for.
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I guess Dover Downs doesn’t have that kind of restriction when they gave purse money out that wasn’t raced for.
Different state, different law. My legal source is very knowledgeable. The MSOA wants to do anything they can to help horsemen. They are paying close to a hundred thousand per month to keep the track opened and are paying your health insurance premiums. There is no stall rent for race horses at the Meadows. I think the MSOA is doing a great job!
(Even without me! L.O.L)
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board will take care of selves, somehow little guys will get fucked always . instead of worrying about owners and trainers, they should worry about the grooms, if owners cant weather storm i guess they should not own what they can´t afford. yonkers gave grooms checks.
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There is a nine member board and maybe one or two who are self serving. The others are doing their best for the horsemen.
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Different state, different law. My legal source is very knowledgeable. The MSOA wants to do anything they can to help horsemen. They are paying close to a hundred thousand per month to keep the track opened and are paying your health insurance premiums. There is no stall rent for race horses at the Meadows. I think the MSOA is doing a great job!
(Even without me! L.O.L)
Really Sammy............ .......MSOA isn't paying squat............ .........the slot players are.............. ......the slot players pay your insurance premiums......... .your retirement package.......... ...your purses........... ......bike insurance and so on............... ......guess you never heard............ ..don't shit where you eat.............. ....tell us about Randy and Bob.............. .
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Really Sammy............ .......MSOA isn't paying squat............ .........the slot players are.............. ......the slot players pay your insurance premiums......... .your retirement package.......... ...your purses........... ......bike insurance and so on............... ......guess you never heard............ ..don't shit where you eat.............. ....tell us about Randy and Bob.............. .
And, if you work for the Meadows, then the slot players are also paying your salary.
Now, how do we know which one of you has the real story?
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He is a car salesman, liar. Scotty said he pours the epo to them. Hypocrit
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Meadows is a viper pit, who can fuck who. Judges aren´t blind they know, and know they have no power to do anything. They talk about it. More broke people their than with money. If they take slot money they will be closed within a month.
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I heard the meadows is the only track that is charging to stay! If true, horseman should go to the media!!! Casinos HATE horsemen, pure and simple.
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I believe that the Meadows is the only harness track that has year round stables and doesn't charge stall rent. The money that the MSOA is using is money that has been allotted to backstretch development or improvement. It is not money that is coming out of MSOA general funds, slot money or Pari mutual money. Penn Nationals stock has been cut by 60% since the closing of the casinos and the company is struggling to survive.
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I’ve raced many years at the meadows made a nice living The meadows have always welcomed you and always tried to help you regardless who you where I’ve seen people come and many leave but if you played fare you got your share always was a fun environment to be around but when slots came in yes money was more but the little guy could no longer compete even Upgrading the your stock the cost of help stall rent back in the days when there was it took its toll on the little guys which vanished one by one till now you got the lone survivors I’m not blaming anyone but the meadows need changes no one know how to run things way they should Chased all the gamblers away and don’t know how to treat the ones that are left they will really have to change to bring people back but to me I think it’s to late The building wasn’t built for harness racing No place to have dinner or entertain people if you would want. Grandstand not built for harness fans never enough seats inside and grandstand should have been enclosed Try getting a cocktail waitress out there No shot I do believe returning to evening races building places to sit inside would be there only shot. I know racing against big m not what you want to do but why not start at 4 till 7 and t ty to bring in a crowd. Racing I. After noon been a killer and can’t generate new fans plus have a dollar beer nite. Dollar hot dogs. Something instead of repeating the same mistake I wish the meadows luck hope to see it survive but way they do things now I can’t see it Only time will tell From a true fan
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Casino never wanted racing, just had to put up with it to get license. If any of the bigger stable are involved with the indictments, they will move heaven and earth to get rid of racing. One thing, Palone, Roger, Lumpy and terrible judges (corrupt, killed the place for gamblers. They will never change the building unless it´s to paint the windows black so yo can´t see racing at all..
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Casino never wanted racing, just had to put up with it to get license. If any of the bigger stable are involved with the indictments, they will move heaven and earth to get rid of racing. One thing, Palone, Roger, Lumpy and terrible judges (corrupt, killed the place for gamblers. They will never change the building unless it´s to paint the windows black so yo can´t see racing at all..
I would like to give Penn national a chance. Mike has a pretty good handle on the game and he wants very badly to make a profit. That is how he earns his bones. He has a hatchet man persona and people find him stand off ish but he listens to every word you say and processes it on his time. I would love to see some race office changes and I am not talking about the race secretary as much as the condition sheets and purse structure. The horsemen and management should be able to work out a more competitive program. They did try Sunday racing for a season and it didn't pay off and I think they might try some time changes. The horsemen who are sitting in the race office actually have no clue. I am a big fan of exotics with big payoffs like the super hi 5. I also wish that we would do a better job of advertising the big hits when they occur.
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Samstar totally agree except race office, Lumpy needs to go, need new blood, new ideas. He will never change, like the voice.
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Samstar totally agree except race office, Lumpy needs to go, need new blood, new ideas. He will never change, like the voice.
The only change I’ve seen with the condition sheets is the conditioned claimers went from 14, 17, and 20 to 10, 12, and 15.
Otherwise, same old, same old.
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I think the conditioned claimers are a hot bed of lack of effort. Prices prevent actual claims and trainers want to keep horse in class. I would stop conditioned claimers at 5 years old. I am not an expert and I don't pretend to be. After 5 years old, if a horse can't make it in conditioned races he should go to regular claimers.
water seeks it's own level.
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I think the conditioned claimers are a hot bed of lack of effort. Prices prevent actual claims and trainers want to keep horse in class. I would stop conditioned claimers at 5 years old. I am not an expert and I don't pretend to be. After 5 years old, if a horse can't make it in conditioned races he should go to regular claimers.
water seeks it's own level.
Didn’t keep Burke from claiming my 3 yo trotter for $22,500.
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How did he do with the claim?
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How did he do with the claim?
Probably a launch.
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I think the conditioned claimers are a hot bed of lack of effort. Prices prevent actual claims and trainers want to keep horse in class. I would stop conditioned claimers at 5 years old. I am not an expert and I don't pretend to be. After 5 years old, if a horse can't make it in conditioned races he should go to regular claimers.
water seeks it's own level.
Tell us about lack of effort ngc3...........ho w many of those 6 horse Open Handicaps are benefit races........2 horses each by you and Burke............ ....and then get 2 more fillers.......... .............your a weasel Sammy............ ......always was.............. ....always will be.............
blood builder stacking, welfare and you.............. .......sure harness racing is fun when your stealing......... .....
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How did he do with the claim?
He has done very well since the claim, but we had done very well with him in the time we had him, about 7 months.
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If there are very few claims in these races and seldom a good value, the claiming price may be too high. Should there be conditioned claimers with varied prices instead of just number of wins?
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If there are very few claims in these races and seldom a good value, the claiming price may be too high. Should there be conditioned claimers with varied prices instead of just number of wins?
Yes. Many of them hit a wall when they move from w1-3 to nw6, or nw6 to nw8.
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Yes. Many of them hit a wall when they move from w1-3 to nw6, or nw6 to nw8.
Sir Caviar was an exception.
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Sir Caviar was an exception.
Leslie Zendt can't resist a red trotter. LOL
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Really Sammy............ .......MSOA isn't paying squat............ .........the slot players are.............. ......the slot players pay your insurance premiums......... .your retirement package.......... ...your purses........... ......bike insurance and so on............... ......guess you never heard............ ..don't shit where you eat.............. ....tell us about Randy and Bob.............. .
You need a new hobby now that you don't have Roger to bash any more.
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What got the "MOUTH" in trouble was.............. ..his "MOUTH", his "ARROGANCE", was "NOT APPROACHABLE", praised "HIMSELF", promoted "HIMSELF"................j ust to name a few.............. ...In your case............. ...it was another one of those miracles......... ................. couldn't win............co uldn't train............ ..and then came the big influx of funds............ ....and then the "EXTRA" came in to play............. ..they don't call it "SLIPPERY ROCK" for nothing.......... ....
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What got the "MOUTH" in trouble was.............. ..his "MOUTH", his "ARROGANCE", was "NOT APPROACHABLE", praised "HIMSELF", promoted "HIMSELF"................j ust to name a few.............. ...In your case............. ...it was another one of those miracles......... ................. couldn't win............co uldn't train............ ..and then came the big influx of funds............ ....and then the "EXTRA" came in to play............. ..they don't call it "SLIPPERY ROCK" for nothing.......... ....
Jesus christ just type like a normal person you moron.
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Jesus christ just type like a normal person you moron.
Not speaking to you mush mouth............ .......Trust me............Sam Star truly understands and ducks the posts............ ........
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Not speaking to you mush mouth............ .......Trust me............Sam Star truly understands and ducks the posts............ ........
what is it that I truly understand?
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what is it that I truly understand?
Yeah Gym, what is it Bill truly understands?
Us Meadows guys want to know.
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Probably a launch.
I only raced one conditioned claimer in my career. if I recall his name was Whenyouneedit and he was actually claimed from me for $17,000 ish
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Yeah Gym, what is it Bill truly understands?
Us Meadows guys want to know.
Ditto
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I actually paid more than that horse got claimed for. I was actually happy to lose the horse. I usually hate to lose them but this guy was a handful. Dick Stillings drove him for me. I only drove him once or twice and he wasn't made for me .
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Going back and forth to Ravenna.......... .....must have taken its toll..........its all hay and oats..........sur e it is............
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Going back and forth to Ravenna.......... .....must have taken its toll..........its all hay and oats..........sur e it is............
I am glad that you finally figured it out. You are a rock star.
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Thank you Gym...……….I understand that you nominated me...………...PA trainer of the year...……….My horses...…...My wife and my assistant...……..Mike really appreciate the honor...…...and the role you played...…….
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Mr Bercury would you care to elaborate on your recent hormone positive? Thank you in advance
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Say it ain´t so! Can´t say groom pissed in stall, must be a mistake, ate it in the hay.
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Viagra
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Mr Bercury would you care to elaborate on your recent hormone positive? Thank you in advance
Are you referring ti his goomah........... .......Come on Sam.............. .....With Randy gone now.............. ......maybe some test results just might come out differently...... ...............I forgot........... ........hay and oats............. ...shame on me............... .........
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Mr Bercury would you care to elaborate on your recent hormone positive? Thank you in advance
On December 2nd, I decided it as time to give Beach a 30 day rest. Prior to turning him out I took him to a very good vet for a lameness exam. Beach has had big wind puffs on his left front ankle since he was a three year old. The Vet told me that he had something that would suck those wind puffs down and that they would never return. I asked if there was any exposure to a positive test and he said that he had done it over 200 times and there had never been a problem. I said go for it. The wind puffs disappeared and the horse enjoyed a vacation.
Two and a half months later, 2/24/2020, the horse won and was tested. He tested positive for the substance injected on 12/5/2019. I was shocked and disappointed. We contacted Dr. Robinson at Penn school of Veterinary Pharmacology and she informed us that she was not surprised it is sticking around a long time. The drug is lipophilic, meaning that it attaches itself to fatty tissues and stays there.
The reason there haven't been positives on previous horses is that female hormones have not been called until the middle of last year. Most of us use Regumate on our mares and in the middle of last year, several people were fined for progesterone (from Regumate) at the Meadows. They are calling it when it is discovered in Geldings or Horses because it is known to have a calming effect. Ohio did not start calling Progesterone until the first of this year.
Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate is not the same progesterone found in Regumate. It is a hormone that humans use for birth control. It used to be used widely in the horse business and was labeled depo-----? It will definitely stick around for a long time. I have been told that there is another positive for it in Ohio but have not verified it.
I was intent on sending the sample out for a retest until Dr.Robinson VMD explained the stickiness of the drug. The real shame of it is that the wind puffs did not bother the horse. They just looked ugly. I you have a mare with wind puffs, this stuff will suck them down. If you have a gelding or stallion. stay away from anything that say progesterone.
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Are you referring ti his goomah........... .......Come on Sam.............. .....With Randy gone now.............. ......maybe some test results just might come out differently...... ...............I forgot........... ........hay and oats............. ...shame on me............... .........
Roger also wanted to thank you for your support on his recent award.
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On December 2nd, I decided it as time to give Beach a 30 day rest. Prior to turning him out I took him to a very good vet for a lameness exam. Beach has had big wind puffs on his left front ankle since he was a three year old. The Vet told me that he had something that would suck those wind puffs down and that they would never return. I asked if there was any exposure to a positive test and he said that he had done it over 200 times and there had never been a problem. I said go for it. The wind puffs disappeared and the horse enjoyed a vacation.
Sounds sketchy I used this in Ohio 72 hours out no issues sounds like you pushed it a little too far possible right before u leave?? Ur the same as the rest of them cheaters in pa hope you all go down
Two and a half months later, 2/24/2020, the horse won and was tested. He tested positive for the substance injected on 12/5/2019. I was shocked and disappointed. We contacted Dr. Robinson at Penn school of Veterinary Pharmacology and she informed us that she was not surprised it is sticking around a long time. The drug is lipophilic, meaning that it attaches itself to fatty tissues and stays there.
The reason there haven't been positives on previous horses is that female hormones have not been called until the middle of last year. Most of us use Regumate on our mares and in the middle of last year, several people were fined for progesterone (from Regumate) at the Meadows. They are calling it when it is discovered in Geldings or Horses because it is known to have a calming effect. Ohio did not start calling Progesterone until the first of this year.
Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate is not the same progesterone found in Regumate. It is a hormone that humans use for birth control. It used to be used widely in the horse business and was labeled depo-----? It will definitely stick around for a long time. I have been told that there is another positive for it in Ohio but have not verified it.
I was intent on sending the sample out for a retest until Dr.Robinson VMD explained the stickiness of the drug. The real shame of it is that the wind puffs did not bother the horse. They just looked ugly. I you have a mare with wind puffs, this stuff will suck them down. If you have a gelding or stallion. stay away from anything that say progesterone.
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Bill I used that 72 hours out in Ohio this year on gelding no prob sounds like u pushed it to far possible right before u loaded up? Your a joke just like the rest of pa hope you go down with them .. ps what are you gonna do with the oaks horse you bought when pa gives them days like everywhere else
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Roger is an over blown POS, he needs to just fade away.
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Bill I used that 72 hours out in Ohio this year on gelding no prob sounds like u pushed it to far possible right before u loaded up? Your a joke just like the rest of pa hope you go down with them .. ps what are you gonna do with the oaks horse you bought when pa gives them days like everywhere else
If you used the depo three days out you didn't get a positive because you didn't win. I told you what happened and how it happened. I don't like being called a liar by a jerk like you but it comes with the territory. Difference between me and you is that I post who I am and you are a coward and hide behind a fake name.
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Bill I used that 72 hours out in Ohio this year on gelding no prob sounds like u pushed it to far possible right before u loaded up? Your a joke just like the rest of pa hope you go down with them .. ps what are you gonna do with the oaks horse you bought when pa gives them days like everywhere else
If you used this 72 hours out, you are obviously a cheater as using it on a gelding or stallion is not permitted in Ohio effective 1/1/2020. Cheater!
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Sammy Sammy Sammy............ .....you telling us here you shipped this horse to Penn Vet School in Dec.............. ....all the way to Philadelphia for a lameness exam and wind puffs............ ...come on Sammy............ ...you can come up with something better then that............. ..... ngc3
Equine Pharmacology Laboratory at New Bolton Center 382 W Street Rd, Kennett Square, PA 19348 Just outside of Philly........... ...... ngc3
That's a good one.............. ...... 73cv.2
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On December 2nd, I decided it as time to give Beach a 30 day rest. Prior to turning him out I took him to a very good vet for a lameness exam. Beach has had big wind puffs on his left front ankle since he was a three year old. The Vet told me that he had something that would suck those wind puffs down and that they would never return. I asked if there was any exposure to a positive test and he said that he had done it over 200 times and there had never been a problem. I said go for it. The wind puffs disappeared and the horse enjoyed a vacation.
Two and a half months later, 2/24/2020, the horse won and was tested. He tested positive for the substance injected on 12/5/2019. I was shocked and disappointed. We contacted Dr. Robinson at Penn school of Veterinary Pharmacology and she informed us that she was not surprised it is sticking around a long time. The drug is lipophilic, meaning that it attaches itself to fatty tissues and stays there.
The reason there haven't been positives on previous horses is that female hormones have not been called until the middle of last year. Most of us use Regumate on our mares and in the middle of last year, several people were fined for progesterone (from Regumate) at the Meadows. They are calling it when it is discovered in Geldings or Horses because it is known to have a calming effect. Ohio did not start calling Progesterone until the first of this year.
Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate is not the same progesterone found in Regumate. It is a hormone that humans use for birth control. It used to be used widely in the horse business and was labeled depo-----? It will definitely stick around for a long time. I have been told that there is another positive for it in Ohio but have not verified it.
I was intent on sending the sample out for a retest until Dr.Robinson VMD explained the stickiness of the drug. The real shame of it is that the wind puffs did not bother the horse. They just looked ugly. I you have a mare with wind puffs, this stuff will suck them down. If you have a gelding or stallion. stay away from anything that say progesterone.
Its called Depo-Provera.......................... 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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Sammy Sammy Sammy............ .....you telling us here you shipped this horse to Penn Vet School in Dec.............. ....all the way to Philadelphia for a lameness exam and wind puffs............ ...come on Sammy............ ...you can come up with something better then that............. ..... ngc3
Equine Pharmacology Laboratory at New Bolton Center 382 W Street Rd, Kennett Square, PA 19348 Just outside of Philly........... ...... ngc3
That's a good one.............. ...... 73cv.2
If you could read, you would realize that I used a local vet for the lameness check but that I contacted the professor for guidance as to how the drug lasted so long.
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Its called Depo-Provera.......................... 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
I knew it was depo something but you knew exactly what it was because you are the chemist around here and have a reputation as a chemist, gambler and cheater. Took me a while to figure out who you are. Understand why you hate Roger because he had a relationship with your partner but never could understand why you hate me.
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Sammy Sammy Sammy............ ......in your original post you said a very good vet.............. ..........nowhere did you say LOCAL............ ......until now.............. ...any chance it was in Ravenna.......... ......popular stop............. .popular place when going to Nfld............. ........then we get Dr Robinson involved in Philly as a back up............thi s gets more interesting every minute..........a nd you protect the name of the LOCAL vet......... 73cv.2 ngc3
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I knew it was depo something but you knew exactly what it was because you are the chemist around here and have a reputation as a chemist, gambler and cheater. Took me a while to figure out who you are. Understand why you hate Roger because he had a relationship with your partner but never could understand why you hate me.
Who is he?
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Sammy Sammy Sammy............ ......in your original post you said a very good vet.............. ..........nowhere did you say LOCAL............ ......until now.............. ...any chance it was in Ravenna.......... ......popular stop............. .popular place when going to Nfld............. ........then we get Dr Robinson involved in Philly as a back up............thi s gets more interesting every minute..........a nd you protect the name of the LOCAL vet......... 73cv.2 ngc3
I choose not to publish local vets name. My friends know who he is and he is a great guy. 200 treatments and no positives and then a rule change. Can happen to anyone. I told the whole story so that it wouldn't happen to someone else. I would still like to know why you have picked me to slander. I always thought I treated you with respect.
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I choose not to publish local vets name. My friends know who he is and he is a great guy. 200 treatments and no positives and then a rule change. Can happen to anyone. I told the whole story so that it wouldn't happen to someone else. I would still like to know why you have picked me to slander. I always thought I treated you with respect.
Bill, a hint who he is- trainer, owner, meadows employee?
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Trainer!
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Sorry Sammy............ ......been reading the HRU article on Ringo and Trish............ ...lots of things left out.............. ....hey Trish............ ....weren't you married to Kelly Sheppard from Canada........... how about all those overnight stays and Pgh limousine drivers picking you up............... ..and of course those gambling activities which led to your departure........ .............all part of Meadows history.......... ...........best award Roger received ................. .......was his going away present from Mark Loewe............ ....Sammy Sammy Sammy............ ...you sound like Lance Armstrong........ ..............200 tests and only this issue............ ...... ngc3 ngc3..........Lan ce was honest too.............. ......... ngc3 ngc3
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Sorry Sammy............ ......been reading the HRU article on Ringo and Trish............ ...lots of things left out.............. ....hey Trish............ ....weren't you married to Kelly Sheppard from Canada........... how about all those overnight stays and Pgh limousine drivers picking you up............... ..and of course those gambling activities which led to your departure........ .............all part of Meadows history.......... ...........best award Roger received ................. .......was his going away present from Mark Loewe............ ....Sammy Sammy Sammy............ ...you sound like Lance Armstrong........ ..............200 tests and only this issue............ ...... ngc3 ngc3..........Lan ce was honest too.............. ......... ngc3 ngc3
Any body but a looney tune can figure out what happened to me and I hope learn from it. You are a hater and that probably hurts you more than it hurts me. My explanation on this site was not addressed to you but to the people that are seriously interested in what happened. No piss in the stall here. My fault and I paid my fine. You should be ashamed of yourself. I guess that the fact is that my accomplishments far exceed yours and you are better educated, more experienced and smarter than me.
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Probably hates Bill for the same reason no one else likes him, cause he's a jackass. tmbz1
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shotgunner, well said tmbz1 tmbz1. Also, Trish the dish equaled race track skank and everybody knew it.
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Probably hates Bill for the same reason no one else likes him, cause he's a jackass. tmbz1
sorry that you feel that way. If I have done something specific to hurt you I apologize. Life has been very good to me and I appreciate that more than you can imagine. My deceased older brother used to always say that we sit and talk about everybody else and they are all assholes. how did we escape? I suppose I didn't.
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On December 2nd, I decided it as time to give Beach a 30 day rest. Prior to turning him out I took him to a very good vet for a lameness exam. Beach has had big wind puffs on his left front ankle since he was a three year old. The Vet told me that he had something that would suck those wind puffs down and that they would never return. I asked if there was any exposure to a positive test and he said that he had done it over 200 times and there had never been a problem. I said go for it. The wind puffs disappeared and the horse enjoyed a vacation.
Two and a half months later, 2/24/2020, the horse won and was tested. He tested positive for the substance injected on 12/5/2019. I was shocked and disappointed. We contacted Dr. Robinson at Penn school of Veterinary Pharmacology and she informed us that she was not surprised it is sticking around a long time. The drug is lipophilic, meaning that it attaches itself to fatty tissues and stays there.
The reason there haven't been positives on previous horses is that female hormones have not been called until the middle of last year. Most of us use Regumate on our mares and in the middle of last year, several people were fined for progesterone (from Regumate) at the Meadows. They are calling it when it is discovered in Geldings or Horses because it is known to have a calming effect. Ohio did not start calling Progesterone until the first of this year.
Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate is not the same progesterone found in Regumate. It is a hormone that humans use for birth control. It used to be used widely in the horse business and was labeled depo-----? It will definitely stick around for a long time. I have been told that there is another positive for it in Ohio but have not verified it.
I was intent on sending the sample out for a retest until Dr.Robinson VMD explained the stickiness of the drug. The real shame of it is that the wind puffs did not bother the horse. They just looked ugly. I you have a mare with wind puffs, this stuff will suck them down. If you have a gelding or stallion. stay away from anything that say progesterone.
Decided to break your post down..........1. Treatment was on Dec 2, 2019............2 . 200 times this treatment was used, no issues........... ............ 3. 2 1/2 months later the horse raced and won.............. ...4. drug in question Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate ...........
Now lets get some responses here.........
1 and 2. - If you would know, wind puffs are usually treated with ice/cold water and wrapped.......... ..that is the common approach......... .. or one can inject with steroids or hyaluronic acid..........the y are caused from stress or water in the sheath area............. .can be quite painful and show signs off lameness......... .but what do I know............. ....but you went the Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate route without checking because your unnamed vet said it was ok, at least 200 times, no issues, except for you now............is n't this what trainer responsibility is........also checked with a few vets at the Meadows.......... .......they have no record of treating anything for you in Dec 2019............. 3. You make no mention of how many starts this horse had from the treatment date (your so called Dec 2 date)...............bu t the horse just happened to win at Nfld on Feb 24............... ..... 4. Now we get to the real issues here............. Using a known product Medroxyprogestero ne Acetate used to treat mares............ ..but you chose to use it on a gelding.......... ........its sole purpose according to the label is to treat a female which helps regulate ovulation and menstrual cycles........... ..........You always say its hay and oats............. .good help you say.............. ........just buy good horses........... ......what you have stated doesn't pass the smell test here....... sorry Sammy............ it stinks........... ........and then you run to some vet at New Bolton and say.............. ..save me Dr Robinson (you mention her name, why, when you not mention the treating vet).............save me............... 73cv.2 73cv.2 73cv.2
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Exactly gym Jefferson. Your post are so accurate and spot on. Thank you for removing roger from the announcers booth. We all know everyone reads the plop. You don’t think anyone believed Mr Bercurys explanation of his positive now do you? Best thing he could have done was requested a split sample. Dug up bills man mike Marshall that works at the bulk mail facility up in Warrendale and had him intercept the split sample and boom! It all would have got thrown out and bill gets to keep his money? Strange when there was talk of the purse money being split up, on the days that were canceled bill sent out word that it was illegal to split up the purse money. Scared old Lori Romanetti into not voting for it. Thus it was axed. And there was no money distributed as planned. Bill might not be on the board but he’s got a heavy hand and a strong outside interest in the voting. Don’t kid yourself folks. He doesn’t want his invitational money to go to anyone but him. He would have a three horse entry in every open trot. Open pave and preferred Filly and mare race if they would let him. This is called Greed. and his own agenda. that you gym Jefferson for speaking the truth. I truly love your call it as you see it post. You are a inspiration.
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Gym. I am not going to get into a pissing match with you. Everything you said is inaccurate or made up. You never responded about your significant other being involved with Roger. Would you clear that up for us?
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Feel like you guys give Bills political clout too much credit.
Purse split was a stupid idea anyways. Least now when we get the okay to race we will be able to actually race for a few bucks.
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As far as Roger goes............. ....Roger got rid of Roger, nobody else............. ......maybe you need to take a refresher course on daily care & maintenance for a standardbred..... .........I don't think your 4H club provided you the right skills........... .......heard many times in the paddock.......... ........you couldn't train Rin Tin Tin to bark............. ........now you bring poor Mary Ann into the equation......... ......she learned the hard way with Roger............ .he would fuck anything his little prick would go in............... .he always thought of himself as a casanova......... ...most know him as a headcase.......ma ybe the side effects of falling out of the bike are starting to take its toll........as Ron told you............ma ny from the Meadows read here on the Plop............. you make BI and BB proud............ ....and of course RB.........
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till waiting on info on your hate for Roger. I know it is personal and have been told it is sexual. Please let us know,
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Maybe you guys should stick to PMs instead of airing your dirty laundry out in the open.
Could come back to haunt you later?
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Maybe you guys should stick to PMs instead of airing your dirty laundry out in the open.
Could come back to haunt you later?
Good point. Gym has been terrorizing me for a long time and I get sick of it. What he says isn't even half truths just fiction. Someone said that I stepped on one of his bets a while ago and he has never forgiven me. I have no Idea. Tried to give a constructive explanation of a positive test with no cop out and he ridicules me. Probably should have said someone pissed in my stall or contamination but hate to see someone else get hit because the didn't know.
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You might get a talking to............... .......the next time you see BZ or RG..............a s you said............t hey love trotters........t oo bad you left the MSOA............. ....but then again............ ..the MSOA is glad your sorry ass is gone............. isn't it time for your depo-provera injection........ ...by your unnamed vet............I think there was a TV show with a character named Robinson......... ..it was called........... Lost In Space...........
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gym jefferson post names u loser/..bill doesnt hid..gym ur a cry baby
I'm guessing that BZ is Brian Zendt and RG is Rich Gillock?
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if gym jeffersun…..lost his girl to...……..roger...... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3...….then I kinda feel...…...really sorry for...….him...…. 11.wp 11.wp ngc3 ngc3
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Dingus you are an idiot, BILL ZENDT not Brian. Brian wouldn´t say shit if he had a mouthful, he´s a great guy. Daddon´t give a shit, he thinks Berkery is an idiot.
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Dingus you are an idiot, BILL ZENDT not Brian. Brian wouldn´t say shit if he had a mouthful, he´s a great guy. Daddon´t give a shit, he thinks Berkery is an idiot.
No need to get all uppity after I defended you vs Lucpark.
In any case, I had a question mark on my guess, so shoot me.
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Just know your players, Bill and Brian are diametrically opposite temperament. Bill doesn´t give a shit, doesn´t need anymore money.
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Just know your players, Bill and Brian are diametrically opposite temperament. Bill doesn´t give a shit, doesn´t need anymore money.
I just know Brian drove 1 of my trotters to win a Late Closer last year.
Don't know Bill.
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Great horseman, in his day. he cashed out a ton. Northfield, Meadows Junior and Buster were the best
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Just to correct a previous post, Windpuffs are soft, fluid filled swellings. most commonly these puffy enlargements are symptomless blemishes. They are caused by hard work.
My horse had these wind puffs when I bought him and pictures of his legs on On Gait showed the windpuffs and discouraged other buyers. I was also put off by the wind puffs but after the sale was over and he was no saled, I received a call from a friend who is a horse agent and he told me I was making a mistake not buying the horse, I listened!
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Now we get another twist again............ ...saw pictures and discouraged other buyers........... ....obviously those "other buyers" didn't have access to your unnamed vet special treatment........ ....and then to boot (not Boots Dunn) your friend told you, you were making a mistake in not buying him.............. .Sammy........... ...if I were you.............. just let this go............the more you post..........the BIGGER the lie gets............. it also appears that you never heard of wind puffs............ ..appears your 4H training missed that one also............. ..
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Now we get another twist again............ ...saw pictures and discouraged other buyers........... ....obviously those "other buyers" didn't have access to your unnamed vet special treatment........ ....and then to boot (not Boots Dunn) your friend told you, you were making a mistake in not buying him.............. .Sammy........... ...if I were you.............. just let this go............the more you post..........the BIGGER the lie gets............. it also appears that you never heard of wind puffs............ ..appears your 4H training missed that one also............. ..
M. You are so full of shit! (with warmest personal regards)
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Mike
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This Samstar thread started April 13............... ...and you posted many times within this thread........... ...various times............ ......various days..........and NEVER once made mention of your unnamed vet positive......... .........until Ron Harvey posted on May 2 concerning this issue............ .when the USTA posted it............... .and then you concoct this fabrication...... .........last I knew............. ..race commissions notify trainers approx 10 days in advance of positives........ ...so you Sam "STAR" was well aware this positive was coming........... .....you could have volunteered the positive test in advance.........b ut you decided to play the whoa is me.............un named vet routine.......... ......something I learned a long time ago.............. ."when you find yourself in a deep hole, quit digging"................. ...I suggest you throw your pick and shovel away.............
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This Samstar thread started April 13............... ...and you posted many times within this thread........... ...various times............ ......various days..........and NEVER once made mention of your unnamed vet positive......... .........until Ron Harvey posted on May 2 concerning this issue............ .when the USTA posted it............... .and then you concoct this fabrication...... .........last I knew............. ..race commissions notify trainers approx 10 days in advance of positives........ ...so you Sam "STAR" was well aware this positive was coming........... .....you could have volunteered the positive test in advance.........b ut you decided to play the whoa is me.............un named vet routine.......... ......something I learned a long time ago.............. ."when you find yourself in a deep hole, quit digging"................. ...I suggest you throw your pick and shovel away.............
Since you are acquainted with the person I purchased this horse from, you could verify the information that you disputed instead of making up a contra story. You don't have the character to do that.
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I'm giving Gym a small edge so far.
jmvhmfo
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Sammy so all this time the horse was never treated.......... .......for wind puffs............ ..then miraculously you decided this horse was lame............. .the unnamed vet gets involved......... .........then Dr Robinson gets used as a backup........... ..........and prior to Dec 2019 this horse was racing without any treatment........ ..........come on Sammy............ ......has to be some stacking up on pain killers somewhere........ ..........but you passed the box.............. ..and you screwed the public........... ...in his prior starts before the female hormone treatment by the unnamed vet.............h ay and oats............. . 73cv.2
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Sammy so all this time the horse was never treated.......... .......for wind puffs............ ..then miraculously you decided this horse was lame............. .the unnamed vet gets involved......... .........then Dr Robinson gets used as a backup........... ..........and prior to Dec 2019 this horse was racing without any treatment........ ..........come on Sammy............ ......has to be some stacking up on pain killers somewhere........ ..........but you passed the box.............. ..and you screwed the public........... ...in his prior starts before the female hormone treatment by the unnamed vet.............h ay and oats............. . 73cv.2
M Who was the trainer who snuck a horse out of a quarantined barn to race at the Meadows?
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Sammy Sammy Sammy...........t here you go again.........you preach you are a hay and oats guy.............. .sit on the MSOA board .............. responsible respectable horse person........... ...now you speak of backside activities at the Meadows.......... .........your unnamed vet.............. ... other compromising issues........... ....you turn a blind eye and are a team player........... .......meaning everybody just looks the other way to get a long............. .......and all is well............. ......as I said Sammy............ ...best to quit digging that hole............. ..........throw away the pick and shovel........... ....I got horses to train............ ....dumber then a box of rocks............ ...told you before........... ......don't shit where you eat..............
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don't shit where you eat..............
You should keep this to PMs if you want to uphold what you said- don't shit where you eat
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Dingus, mind your own business, if they want to put shit on here it´s up to them. STFU and maybe you will learn something about the Meadows.
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Dingus, mind your own business, if they want to put shit on here it´s up to them. STFU and maybe you will learn something about the Meadows.
I know enough through my trainer, thank you.
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I know enough through my trainer, thank you.
Your trainer has a good handle on things.
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Your trainer has a good handle on things.
Yes, and we’re trying to get the Meadows open for racing since Washington County is now yellow (was red).
One thing we don’t need is some government official reading some of the postings on this thread, and saying “screw it”.
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You my friend are a complete moron, if you think a state official is reading this stuff and he will say screw it and not open the meadows. That is just plain STUPID, that was by far the dumbest thing I have read on here in a long time. The horseman have NO say when it will open, it will be the state officials not the MSOA. It will happen when it happens. Also remember the MSOA is paying 100k to keep the back side open, Northfield, 50k, got bad end of deal. Your trainer has found a pigeon.
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You my friend are a complete moron, if you think a state official is reading this stuff and he will say screw it and not open the meadows. That is just plain STUPID, that was by far the dumbest thing I have read on here in a long time. The horseman have NO say when it will open, it will be the state officials not the MSOA. It will happen when it happens. Also remember the MSOA is paying 100k to keep the back side open, Northfield, 50k, got bad end of deal. Your trainer has found a pigeon.
Lucpark was right.
You are an arrogant asshole.
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You my friend are a complete moron, if you think a state official is reading this stuff and he will say screw it and not open the meadows. That is just plain STUPID, that was by far the dumbest thing I have read on here in a long time. The horseman have NO say when it will open, it will be the state officials not the MSOA. It will happen when it happens. Also remember the MSOA is paying 100k to keep the back side open, Northfield, 50k, got bad end of deal. Your trainer has found a pigeon.
Northfield horsemen pay stall rent and pay for the water bills and electric bills for their barns. Meadows horsemen pay nothing!
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Northfield horsemen pay stall rent and pay for the water bills and electric bills for their barns. Meadows horsemen pay nothing!
He thinks he's a know it all.
Was even too stupid to realize what I posted was tongue in cheek.
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Ok what about hoosier, how much do they pay.
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Ok what about hoosier, how much do they pay.
They certainly don't pay less than the Meadows horsemen and we get to stay there all year. You guys don't appreciate what a good job The MSOA is doing for you.
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I agree with everything except........... ..You guys don't appreciate what a good job The MSOA is doing for ME.............
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I agree with everything except........... ..You guys don't appreciate what a good job The MSOA is doing for ME.............
did the board run better with you?
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Thank you Gym. Tony dinger & Jupiter. Your comments are on point. Can you imagine if that money that the Msoa is paying was coming out of the purse account if swim to win Bill Bercury would be so happy as to the GREAT JOB everyone has done. Or do you think he would be bitching and complaining that they are taking HIS purse money. Isn’t it funny how he would indeed turn if they were taking his invitational purse money. And thoughts or comments. Sam Star?
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In the next few weeks............ the Meadows is going to find out if............... ...you are a MSOA board director......... .......or a MSOA bored director......... ......from the outhouse to the penthouse........ ......all with hay and oats............a nd just good horses........... ....
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In the next few weeks............ the Meadows is going to find out if............... ...you are a MSOA board director......... .......or a MSOA bored director......... ......from the outhouse to the penthouse........ ......all with hay and oats............a nd just good horses........... ....
I am a MSOA member, not a board member.
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curoius bill bercury didnt you buy a hot shock machine out of Ohio last year?
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Thank you Gym. Tony dinger & Jupiter. Your comments are on point. Can you imagine if that money that the Msoa is paying was coming out of the purse account if swim to win Bill Bercury would be so happy as to the GREAT JOB everyone has done. Or do you think he would be bitching and complaining that they are taking HIS purse money. Isn’t it funny how he would indeed turn if they were taking his invitational purse money. And thoughts or comments. Sam Star?
A. Swim to Win is not Bercury and Bercury is not Swim to Win.
B. MSOA is protecting the purse account so that everyone can race for something instead of racing for nothing after a month. Their actions are helping everyone except those that don't make any money to begin with.
C. Preferred probably won't be going when they get back and if it does it wont look like it has the last few years.
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Why no comment Bill. I see you read this.
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Hey Dingus do you really think some high powered state official is reading this? Do you think anything on here will have any bearing on the opening or sustainability of the Meadows? If you do, you are a complete idiot. I am not arrogant and do not think I know everything, but I have raced horses for 60 yrs, have seen the rise and fall of a lot of tracks, horseman and horses. Harness racing is a very very small piece of this giant puzzle, if it went away it would be no big deal to probably 95% of the world. Ask most people who are not involved in racing, they do NOT give a shit about us. Save yourself invest in real estate.
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Hey Dingus do you really think some high powered state official is reading this? Do you think anything on here will have any bearing on the opening or sustainability of the Meadows? If you do, you are a complete idiot. I am not arrogant and do not think I know everything, but I have raced horses for 60 yrs, have seen the rise and fall of a lot of tracks, horseman and horses. Harness racing is a very very small piece of this giant puzzle, if it went away it would be no big deal to probably 95% of the world. Ask most people who are not involved in racing, they do NOT give a shit about us. Save yourself invest in real estate.
I already answered you and said it was tongue in cheek.
We have over 130 pages of comments on the drug bust involving the FBI, and you think my comment was serious????
You need to put on your reading glasses next time.
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Why no comment Bill. I see you read this.
It is so absurd that it doesn't require a comment!
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yes or no. did you buy a shock machine last year? I wanna see how truthful you are. John
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Waiting Bill.
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Maybe you all can concentrate your energy on getting Gov Wolf to wake up and realize running an empty stands racetrack is not the same as a movie theater or casino.
Now that would be more important, no?
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You already know that answer..........O nly use it 7 days out.........my unnamed vet got it for me............... the rest is hay and oats.......... ngc3
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You already know that answer..........O nly use it 7 days out.........my unnamed vet got it for me............... the rest is hay and oats.......... ngc3
Play your word games, I am going back to work.
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They will race July 4th weekend
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Does Northfield know you bought a hot shock machine?
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Does Northfield know you bought a hot shock machine?
They do know that you are a coward hiding behind a screen name! Everyone knows that!
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Bill drops a 100k on his horses. Doubt he's shocking his own horses to save a few bucks.
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not to save a few bucks, can use closer. DAH
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not to save a few bucks, can use closer. DAH
Lol you think his vet cares about withdrawal times on something that won't test?
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Now, Now Millers hay and oats, they train for the Crawfords, they have to be clean, they never associate with juicer trainers! ANYMORE! LOL
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Andy and Julie are clean,,,, take that to the bank
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he wont answer because he knows its true. maybe i should bring other names in.
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he wont answer because he knows its true. maybe i should bring other names in.
Everyone has their theories.
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EPO bring in the other names
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RF
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Initials? Really?
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Think about it, Fat lazy bastard. and crooked. Hooked up with Belcher a while back.
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can delete all of this bill bercury if you just tell the truth. forgot your a scammer car salesman
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can delete all of this bill bercury if you just tell the truth. forgot your a scammer car salesman
Lucpark alter ego?
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EPO Let the whole world know who Samstar is associated with!
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Raymond Farmer the seller
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No answer Bill
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No answer Bill
who the fuck is Raymond farmer?
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Apparently the person you bought the shock machine from according to EPO. Maybe he went by an alias when you bought it from him.
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Apparently the person you bought the shock machine from according to EPO. Maybe he went by an alias when you bought it from him.
In other words, you don't know who he is either? By the way, qualified all six of my horses in the last two days.
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who the fuck is Raymond farmer?
THIS GUYS DAD
(https://i.imgur.com/gifdVwl.jpg)
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In other words, you don't know who he is either? By the way, qualified all six of my horses in the last two days.
Now that they all qualified, can you shove something up Wolf’s ass and get him to open the PA tracks, like Ohio, NY, Del, and soon Indiana, and NJ?
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Eat a Snickers, what is he going to stick up the wolfs ass. He can do that because he got six horses qualified. youre strange
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Now that they all qualified, can you shove something up Wolf’s ass and get him to open the PA tracks, like Ohio, NY, Del, and soon Indiana, and NJ?
There are some pretty good guys working very hard to get us opened. I suspect that we will get a pleasant surprise in the very near future. (Just saying)
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Eat a Snickers, what is he going to stick up the wolfs ass. He can do that because he got six horses qualified. youre strange
Just making conversation without accusing somebody of doing something illegal, unlike many of you keyboard warriors who hide behind screen names.
What have the rest of you done to get Wolf to act?
I can’t do much but I have sent tweets to Wolf. Even if he doesn’t read them, at least I tried!
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Dingus though you should go by Doofus I see YOU hide behind a screen name too. So fuck off!
Samstar, I never said there wern´t good people working on getting Pa open. What I have said, is that the Gov is trying to do what is right for the entire state not just horsemen. If you took a poll of the entire state and asked when harness racing should open, do you really think we would be in the top 20 businesses even thought about. General population does not care about horse racing. Most people will side with the Gov re: slot money for education. I do not know any one that is not in the horse business who cares about harness racing, other than a few gamblers.
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Dingus though you should go by Doofus I see YOU hide behind a screen name too. So fuck off!
Samstar, I never said there wern´t good people working on getting Pa open. What I have said, is that the Gov is trying to do what is right for the entire state not just horsemen. If you took a poll of the entire state and asked when harness racing should open, do you really think we would be in the top 20 businesses even thought about. General population does not care about horse racing. Most people will side with the Gov re: slot money for education. I do not know any one that is not in the horse business who cares about harness racing, other than a few gamblers.
But I’m not accusing a guy of cheating like many on here are.
I’m not taking sides here as I don’t know Bill, but you seem to have a problem with owners and trainers wanting to get back to their livelihood.
NY, Ohio, Del, and soon Ind, and NJ are opening soon, yet you don’t care about PA.
You must be independently wealthy or anti- horseman, so shut your fucking mouth.
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hey numb nuts, I want to go back racing more than you know. The problem is if they fuck it up! we will be fucked! I´ve done this for 60 years. When it was a class game, classy barns, classy fun people, ya there were crooks and criminals but the ones that got caught were stupid. We are repeating the same thing over and over. Just relax and let them ease into this with a plan. It might be better in the long run.
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hey numb nuts, I want to go back racing more than you know. The problem is if they fuck it up! we will be fucked! I´ve done this for 60 years. When it was a class game, classy barns, classy fun people, ya there were crooks and criminals but the ones that got caught were stupid. We are repeating the same thing over and over. Just relax and let them ease into this with a plan. It might be better in the long run.
Ok, seniority speaks, so we’ll give it a try.
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No answer Bill
No entries at Scioto Saturday either........pro bably won't ship........likes the home cookin with the race office and the judges......no Bill..........
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No entries at Scioto Saturday either........pro bably won't ship........likes the home cookin with the race office and the judges......no Bill..........
I will ship to Scioto. Probably enter one for Friday. One of my mare pacers. Which do you think would do better there?
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It depends on which one gets the shock treatment before they are put on the trailer. By the way did you want the serial numbers to the shock machine you have I know a guy that can get them.
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It depends on which one gets the shock treatment before they are put on the trailer. By the way did you want the serial numbers to the shock machine you have I know a guy that can get them.
I understand that you are an expert on Fentanyl positives. Give us a primer!
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I understand that you are an expert on Fentanyl positives. Give us a primer!
Lol the Zubkoff Bercury beef is hilarious.
Is this a continuation?
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Please don´t mention Zubkoff and Bill Bercury in the same sntence. Zubkoff is a complete piece of shit. Bill has a good program, buy good horses, feeds them well, good care and attention to detail. He seems to be on top of all issues. If he shocks, he would not be the only one. Treat for pain and breathing. Covers the bases. He uses a business model that most top stables do, he just does it on a smaller scale. Less overhead and can keep on top of things.
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Not saying hes the best just a proven formula for a stable. You are right no cheap shit, they cost more than a good horse in the end. Doesn´t seem to buy projects.
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what do you need to know ill tell ya.
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bill bercury is a top trainer...no doubt about it..buys nice expensive horses..doesnt touch cheap shit..
best trainer at meadows and northfield..the BEST
Lol not even Bill says he is a top trainer. He buys better horses and just tries to maintain them. Renee could bat .500 with how they do things.
What a clown 73cv.2
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Please don´t mention Zubkoff and Bill Bercury in the same sntence. Zubkoff is a complete piece of shit. Bill has a good program, buy good horses, feeds them well, good care and attention to detail. He seems to be on top of all issues. If he shocks, he would not be the only one. Treat for pain and breathing. Covers the bases. He uses a business model that most top stables do, he just does it on a smaller scale. Less overhead and can keep on top of things.
Lol I said they have beef. And its hilarious.
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Delovely Bill. Needs the shock treatment a little Closer to race time. Jb
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Do drugs cloud your vision or improve it?
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Delovely Bill. Needs the shock treatment a little Closer to race time. Jb
needs a new pair of hands
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Long ride home..........and no Ringo..........he ard Eldorado told the "Mouth" to pack it.............wo n't pay his "excessive announcer fee"..........
Great Memorial Day weekend.......... .......... tmbz1