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Title: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: LUCPARK on May 12, 2023, 12:03:14 PM
ITS TIME SALARY GETS KICKED TO 100 BUCKS IF HORSE DOES NOT FINISH IN TOP 5

JMHO
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 12:11:43 PM
ITS TIME SALARY GETS KICKED TO 100 BUCKS IF HORSE DOES NOT FINISH IN TOP 5

JMHO

No but fuck NO, tip your losing driver yourself Roc, either they union up, or not, but the GAMBLER needs someone who is incentivized, not paid when LOSING.... of all people a (R) wanting driver food stamps guaranteed earnings....shame on you ROC!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Equus Caballus on May 12, 2023, 12:16:04 PM
How about the trainers that actually ship to the track with their horses and have to sit there for 4 hours for Lasix that has virtually no effect by the time they go to the gate ?

Couldn’t even at least buy us lunch?

(Yes, I know, this is the job I signed up for. Thanks for the reminder in advance.)
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 12:19:45 PM
How about the trainers that actually ship to the track with their horses and have to sit there for 4 hours for Lasix that has virtually no effect by the time they go to the gate ?

Couldn’t even at least buy us lunch?

(Yes, I know, this is the job I signed up for. Thanks for the reminder in advance.)

Brown bag it Equus Caballus or pick through the garbage pails with the losing ticket divers, wtf is this, FREE MEALS too!  Pull out your fucking wallet with the money you made from HARD WORK (and stealing, wink wink) and WINNING like the rest of us MEN!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Yonkers1A on May 12, 2023, 01:01:37 PM
NO
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: LUCPARK on May 12, 2023, 01:06:56 PM
its 2023 cost of lving prices have gone up

im in favor of a raise
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 01:15:07 PM
its 2023 cost of lving prices have gone up

im in favor of a raise

Give them (driver and trainer) 5% 10% like jockeys / t-trainers, from your cash Bro, and let's end the other shit as much as we can all together!   tmbz1

And no one (owner, trainer, driver) gets any money (from purse) for 5th place unless there is a Pentafecta / Hi5, or 4th too unless there is a Superfecta in the respective race.....!

For the GAMBLER and to keep this already corrupt Shit MORE COMPETITIVE!....threaten to take your horses out of racing circulation in protest, have at it!!!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Harness racer on May 12, 2023, 01:25:51 PM
its 2023 cost of lving prices have gone up

im in favor of a raise

Plenty of other jobs out there.  Not making any money driving, pick up a day job.  Fuck those crooks!
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 01:31:41 PM
Plenty of other jobs out there.  Not making any money driving, pick up a day job.  Fuck those crooks!

 ngc3  tmbz1  ngc3  tmbz1  ngc3  tmbz1  ngc3
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 12, 2023, 01:57:42 PM
As a driver I will be the first to say that jockeys deserve more than drivers. I know several jocks and it's a shit life. You freeze in the winter, if you take a spill there's a good chance you will be severely injured, the constant worry about weight. If I gain 5 pounds it's no big deal. If they gain it they're sitting out without a job. Plus the reputation of not being able to makie weight. . And the stuff they go through to loose weight...the puking, the sweat box, pills. It takes a toll on their body. So yeah, they earn it.
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Mazola on May 12, 2023, 02:12:03 PM
Lets say a driver drives 15 races at Northfield and comes last in all of them. Does he get 375.00 for the effort?
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: FirstUpFrom8Hole on May 12, 2023, 02:31:46 PM
Lets say a driver drives 15 races at Northfield and comes last in all of them. Does he get 375.00 for the effort?

Last in all 15 in a night? He will get paid but his days of getting 15 drives on one card are probably over
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: LUCPARK on May 12, 2023, 03:11:27 PM
 im in favor of 125 per drive .

as long as casino tracks pump up the purses
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Open bridle on May 12, 2023, 03:16:47 PM
It should performance driven. If the driver stiffs the horse out of the money the owner loses, the gambler loses, the trainer loses their % so why should the driver be rewarded.
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 03:24:34 PM
Lets say a driver drives 15 races at Northfield and comes last in all of them. Does he get 375.00 for the effort?

Not exactly.....That situation enacts the"Glengarry Glen Ross" applicable purse payment / per drive rules - second and third prize's....a Walter Case set of steak knives circa Northfield Park early 2000's delivered precisely  tmbz1, and  11.dt !    ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 03:27:35 PM
im in favor of 125 per drive .

as long as casino tracks pump up the purses

How about 150 in hobo dick cheese!
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: caddy on May 12, 2023, 03:38:05 PM
How about the trainers that actually ship to the track with their horses and have to sit there for 4 hours for Lasix that has virtually no effect by the time they go to the gate ?

Couldn’t even at least buy us lunch?


Good Idear, Cannabis

Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 03:41:06 PM
Good Idear, Cannabis

How about we close down the track and casino and make it a driver / trainer / owner --> soup kitchen - today's special again, hobos dick cheese, all you can stuff in your fucking mouth.   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Harness racer on May 12, 2023, 03:48:30 PM
There is no limit to horsemen wanting handouts and this thread is a perfect example.  Give me free money in a performance base industry.  Also, we will now be giving shitty drivers participation ribbons!  tmbz1
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Hay 4 sail on May 12, 2023, 05:21:57 PM
  Do you tip your server when you have bad service? We sure do we leave $2 bucks. Same here boys
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 05:23:01 PM
There is no limit to horsemen wanting handouts and this thread is a perfect example.  Give me free money in a performance base industry.  Also, we will now be giving shitty drivers participation ribbons!  tmbz1

You know who gives free meals and "participation ribbons", for adult, scumbag greedy thieves..... 91.jzail.

This shows you how much they (casino, track, regulatory, owners,  horsemen) respect the gambler who (and fans) fuel this and every other sport, and none with the corruption like horse racing. 

Gambler's could remain suckers or not...it won't change what's to come, once they have their David v Goliath moment!  Never be shocked if the genesis of the epicenter was right here and soon!  FAFO bitches!   ;D   
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 05:29:04 PM
  Do you tip your server when you have bad service? We sure do we leave $2 bucks. Same here boys

No it's not, worst analogy on Horseplop ever, "tips" are optional, fixed driver pay (topic here) is guaranteed per drive salary.

$2, screw that give them 50% tip for the food server spitting in your food, I'll cover the other 50% of the "tip", you deserve it!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: onabrake on May 12, 2023, 06:36:11 PM
im in favor of 125 per drive .

as long as casino tracks pump up the purses


That is the same as a winning drive in a 5k race. 8 drives a night would secure a minimum of 1k and that is ridiculous. What percentage of people in this country make a thousand a day at their job? Sorry, but driving a harness horse in a circle, for someone not very good at it, deserves nowhere near 1k a day and that 25 dollars per drive should get an annual 5 percent raise like the rest of the world.
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 06:48:03 PM

That is the same as a winning drive in a 5k race. 8 drives a night would secure a minimum of 1k and that is ridiculous. What percentage of people in this country make a thousand a day at their job? Sorry, but driving a harness horse in a circle, for someone not very good at it, deserves nowhere near 1k a day and that 25 dollars per drive should get an annual 5 percent raise like the rest of the world.

Roc understands, he's no dope, smart actually, first he starts the thread wanting drivers to get a $100, then he sees it pissed off the gamblers and he upped it to $125 (more for his people and in his pocket) and puts it on the casino....knowing full well there is even a less of incentive in an already corrupt industry. 

Now they can be paid A LIVING WAGE for not only under-performing but they have more to bet the other winner in their race.

Then fuckface Hay 4 sail comes along and says we give minimum tips even bad food servers, $2....The GAMBLER....they don't even want US to get food just starve to death on a bowl of SPIT!!  WAR!!! ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Random on May 12, 2023, 10:40:33 PM
There are still tracks that don’t even give you $25 for finishing out of the top 5. If a driver has a bad night with shitty post positions and long shots he could earn next to nothing!
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 10:46:11 PM
There are still tracks that don’t even give you $25 for finishing out of the top 5. If a driver has a bad night with shitty post positions and long shots he could earn next to nothing!

 ngc3  boo fucking hoo  ngc3

I hope he (that driver) doesn't get robbed on the way home too, like the gamblers felt that backed him and took the long walk in the parking lot to their ride going for their keys and finding only lint instead of cash! 

The gambler is the boss, not the bitch, but as longer as they act like suckers, they get what they get! 
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: LUCPARK on May 12, 2023, 10:46:52 PM


Nobody can live on 25 a drive 

It’s 2023 not 1973

Jmho

Compensate the drivers I think racing can become cleaner
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 10:50:03 PM

Nobody can live on 25 a drive 

It’s 2023 not 1973

Jmho

Compensate the drivers I think racing can become cleaner


 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

Boss, the day that happens I'll drink liquid drano to ensure the cleaning of my side of the street  73cv.2!  Nice try, though, inflation, history, finesse.....God Bless your compassionate Heart!  ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 12, 2023, 11:10:09 PM
 73cv.2  ngc3 Gambler Reparations!  ngc3 73cv.2
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: MikeAnt on May 13, 2023, 12:21:13 AM
ITS TIME SALARY GETS KICKED TO 100 BUCKS IF HORSE DOES NOT FINISH IN TOP 5

JMHO
Go ahead and give Atlee Bender and Ricky Macomber the $100 if you want to but I’d rather hit them in the face with a rubber mallet. Idiotic thread started just to rile up the horseploppers. Atlee should be working at Dairy Queen drive thru and Ricky should be a bus boy in the dining room.
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 08:51:26 AM
Go ahead and give Atlee Bender and Ricky Macomber the $100 if you want to but I’d rather hit them in the face with a rubber mallet. Idiotic thread started just to rile up the horseploppers. Atlee should be working at Dairy Queen drive thru and Ricky should be a bus boy in the dining room.

 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

See (UP), that is flawless MikeAnt it starts out nice and then pounds ya, and not defcon1 violence but deserving & proportional....I t also just so happens to be in agreement with the gambler perspective ( tmbz1), offers thoughtful, logical real world solutions.  PERFECTION!    62za.clp
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: LUCPARK on May 13, 2023, 09:34:53 AM
Go ahead and give Atlee Bender and Ricky Macomber the $100 if you want to but I’d rather hit them in the face with a rubber mallet. Idiotic thread started just to rile up the horseploppers. Atlee should be working at Dairy Queen drive thru and Ricky should be a bus boy in the dining room.

WHY DONT U JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP...
YOU FUCKIN ASS CLOWN..
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 09:40:39 AM
Rocky said it best...sweat and blood rolling down his face...."This is the greatest Night Thread in the history of my life!"

It sure is!  Very consequential, because what happens on Plop, matters out there meaning ANYFUCKINGWHERE!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Calhoun on May 13, 2023, 01:06:05 PM
How about the trainers that actually ship to the track with their horses and have to sit there for 4 hours for Lasix that has virtually no effect by the time they go to the gate ?

Couldn’t even at least buy us lunch?

(Yes, I know, this is the job I signed up for. Thanks for the reminder in advance.)
You're already a fat slob.  Skip a meal
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 01:13:14 PM
You're already a fat slob.  Skip a meal

 ngc3 73cv.2 ngc3  73cv.2 ngc3  Wow!

In the meantime, not to trivialize the holocaust, we're (The Gamblers) are like the malnourished anorexic perpetually tortured participants that churn the wheel of their lifestyle forced to figuratively eat our own excrement to survive most days while these faggot fucks lol in our face! 

Their horses get, eat hay, we get hay -minus- hay  = We're shit out of Hay!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: caddy on May 13, 2023, 02:15:44 PM
You're already a fat slob.  Skip a meal

ease off!  it might cost a couple hundo to put out a buffet w/ wangs, hot dogs, chili, chips, apples, cheese and a relish tray.  Give the hard-working horse people a break. 
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on May 13, 2023, 02:20:48 PM
ease off!  it might cost a couple hundo to put out a buffet w/ wangs, hot dogs, chili, chips, apples, cheese and a relish tray.  Give the hard-working horse people a break.


Full body cast to hold those "BREAKS" together! tmbz1

Drinking their blended meal through a straw from a bed!   73cv.2

Don't forget to pinch the nurse on the  19z.az  oh no hands allow us!   ;D
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Easy Irv on May 14, 2023, 04:10:56 PM
Lets say a driver drives 15 races at Northfield and comes last in all of them. Does he get 375.00 for the effort?

I do not believe they should get any money for finishing worst than 5th...but I do think he should get 15 participation trophys for his efforts. Otherwise nobody will remember him in the future for his historic day!
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: Mailbox Money on May 14, 2023, 10:06:21 PM
There has to be some incentive for a driver to not to just put laps in.If a driver can increase his earnings by putting a horse in a spot to win or get a better chunk of the purse it will create better racing. Each track has a regular driver that ducks every time they draw the outside.
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: MikeAnt on May 15, 2023, 12:18:14 AM
WHY DONT U JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP...
YOU FUCKIN ASS CLOWN..
Why don’t you make me- you Deygo ball licking midget?
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: caddy on May 15, 2023, 08:48:25 AM
There has to be some incentive for a driver to not to just put laps in.If a driver can increase his earnings by putting a horse in a spot to win or get a better chunk of the purse it will create better racing.

xactly.  otherwise, in fairness, every horses entered to race would also receive an appearance bons, same as giving drivers a gaurantee
Title: Re: SHOULD A DRIVER RECIVE MORE THAN 25 DOLLARS IF HES NOT IN TOP FIVE FINISHERS
Post by: dinkadoo on May 15, 2023, 01:36:14 PM
1) Not a bad job Ploppers -- we have an actual topic that other than a little of page 2, we stayed away from homosexuality acts happenings in moms basement.

2) Now onto Luc's topic. I guess I can see both sides of it. But I'm still not sure if rewarding below mediocrity with more money. Say a new upcoming driver has 5 drives on the card. He gets one check and with bad stock and bad posts finishes off the board with the rest. Maybe he made a $150.  Lets say the card lasted 5 hours. He made on his catch driving gig $30/ hour....

If you can't live off that _ I get it - find you a side hustle. Jog horses in the morning, clean some stalls, Uber during the day. If your home track races 4 days a week, at 5 hours a card - should you expect to call it a week at 20 hours ?

I am a school teacher making so so money. But with twin boys graduating high school and going to college, I want to help and I work two days a week at the hospital after leaving the classroom. Just so I can help them out. But questioning , why do I need to inflate the value of the catch driver.... Either a not so good one, or one getting their feet wet ?
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