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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on October 28, 2023, 10:59:41 PM
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As brilliant as you could ask for! 1;48.1, last quarter 26 in a storm! TY to God, Brett and Timmy for a great ride. tmbz1
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Thats exactly why I said what I said the other night with all the he's sore, Coach Stephanos nonsense...I said I'll give 5 to 1 odds hes not getting fucking beat...he's a monster and I bet Timmy's hates he gave him a bad drive in his only loss.
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Good job by Adam and his assistant, made sure that blood was up to par.
Joke
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When I said he ranks with the best all time, some on here shit on me. Now Brett has said it and more. So now go shit on him. the best pacer trainer that ever lived. I'm just gonna enjoy it. Like Heyden said, he will be a unanimous HOY. When he is, he will be the second in history.
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Races clean too
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Races clean too
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Don't be surprised when some breaking news comes out from NJ!
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Absolutely a joke that any Dick Creek horse are allowed to race. Yeah they were just checking bloodwork at midnight . 60 % horse 40 octane
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One unanswered ? , what were they giving at midnight
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Absolutely a joke that any Dick Creek horse are allowed to race. Yeah they were just checking bloodwork at midnight . 60 % horse 40 octane
I agree.
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Oh I agree 100% They should be barred from racing. There will be some news coming out soon.
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When I said he ranks with the best all time, some on here shit on me. Now Brett has said it and more. So now go shit on him. the best pacer trainer that ever lived. I'm just gonna enjoy it. Like Heyden said, he will be a unanimous HOY. When he is, he will be the second in history.
He likely will be horse of the year. I do not think it will be unanimous.
I do wish for the horse's sake all this wasn't under this cloud of controversy because of the recent activities of his ownership.
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Heyden made the HOY comment and he has a vote. I guess we'll see.
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Too bad one of the blow hards hosting the telecast didn't have the balls to ask about the midnight blood testing.
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how could he not be unanimous horse of year, no other horse has dominated as much. Slyvia showed a couple of chinks so not her.
Confederate will go down as one of the all time greats.
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It is well covered on here.
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Too bad one of the blow hards hosting the telecast didn't have the balls to ask about the midnight blood testing.
I thought the same ngc3
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It is well covered on here.
Preaching to the choir, but the haters will not let it go easy.
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Preaching to the choir, but the haters will not let it go easy.
I am not sure what you are referring to here. Confederate is one of the better horses to look through a bridle in quite awhile and anyone should be able to see that. However it is shady AF what went down in Lexington and I think it casts a bad light on what should be a slam dunk superstar.
And I stand by my opinion that he will not be unanimous HOY (but will be HOY).
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Preaching to the choir, but the haters will not let it go easy.
How can you ignore his owner sent someone in during the middle of the night? No matter what she did or did not do why was she doing it in the middle of the night? Just explain to me this please?
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All I'm gonna say is don't be shocked when another state makes announcement.
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Preaching to the choir, but the haters will not let it go easy.
It has nothing to do with being a hater. They were caught red handed. Those horses should never have been allowed to race in the elims last week. Anyone who buys the bullshit that they were just pulling blood(at midnight!!!!!!!) probably went to school in a short bus.
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You know i love the game and I hate the fact they were fucking around with the horses at midnight involving blood, but until a positive and suspension comes along, i can only go with the fact that the horses are being allowed to race and appreciate what they are accomplishing. that's it. If it truly isn't clean, we will find out eventually.
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As far as the incident in Lexington and Confederate. Check the dates. The incident happened on August 16th.
Confederate didn't arrive at the Red Mile until after winning the Hempt on August 19th.
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Yeah cause Lexington was the first time they did the bloodwork, and got caught so that’s BS .
Fugs you’re full of shit . You were on here wanting Alkardt, Banca & Oakes etc
burned at the cross. How many positive did they have.
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Does any one really know what horses in Lexington are you talking about if you do not know please shut up.
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I have never met Adam Bowden so it is extremely presumptuous of me to say this but I believe he is a A-1 douchebag.
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Does any one really know what horses in Lexington are you talking about if you do not know please shut up.
You're a fucking jerkoff. Right, they were pulling blood on horses at midnight that weren't scheduled to race at Hoosier. Where else was DC racing at?????
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It's My Show, 2 hole trip, mega anchor in stretch. And that's that!
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How can you ignore his owner sent someone in during the middle of the night? No matter what she did or did not do why was she doing it in the middle of the night? Just explain to me this please?
Has the same stench of Yogurtgait and Cassie Coleman. Never a formal explanation from Ohio officials.
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You're a fucking jerkoff. Right, they were pulling blood on horses at midnight that weren't scheduled to race at Hoosier. Where else was DC racing at?????
I believe the Hempt is still at Pocono and it went 3 days after the midnight visit
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So you think the Lexington visit was the first time they didn’t and caught on the first time.
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well clearly its my show was showing the wear from battles of the season
however a 25.3 first qtr blast out of the 9 hole in the slop likely didnt help
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So you think the Lexington visit was the first time they didn’t and caught on the first time.
Considering the lab at Diamond Creek is in Kentucky, yeah. Nice people that work at the farm there but they don’t have any idea about actually racing a horse (for that matter neither does Adam). The idea that Diamond Creek is going around pre racing their horses without trainer knowledge is laughable.
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Considering the lab at Diamond Creek is in Kentucky, yeah. Nice people that work at the farm there but they don’t have any idea about actually racing a horse (for that matter neither does Adam). The idea that Diamond Creek is going around pre racing their horses without trainer knowledge is laughable.
So WHY does a farm need blood on their horses? WHY do they need to do it in the middle of the night?
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IMS is cooked like Ammo. AB is one of the biggest players he's gonna get slack, if you think the trainers don't know you're nuts. They want to know the numbers just like I would, easier than waiting for the vet and the lab. It only cost him 5 grand farm mgr suspended. Still got the blood tested.
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The time of day that the "Lance Armstrong "event took place SCREAMS blood doping! The controlling parties of this game are more concerned about fast miles than animal welfare and conspiracy! It's a crying ass shame!.The sad part is that this will never change! 🙈🙉🙊
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Confederate may be the horse of the night and the year but that performance by Sylvia was just amazing.
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Why doesn't Bythemissal get any respect? 1:48 in the soup was impressive IMO.
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You know i love the game and I hate the fact they were fucking around with the horses at midnight involving blood, but until a positive and suspension comes along, i can only go with the fact that the horses are being allowed to race and appreciate what they are accomplishing. that's it. If it truly isn't clean, we will find out eventually.
Imagine if the exact scenario would have happened to L.Toscano at the jug...
Would you still be going on like you have been or would you make 50 threads going on & on about her cheating.
Just using her as an example but I've been here for years & have seen you post nothing but bias dribble.
You have your fav's & those you hate, your hate shines through daily...
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I believe the Hempt is still at Pocono and it went 3 days after the midnight visit
Then they should have been scratched at PCD
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Haven't been here long but you got thousands upon thousands of posts in such a short time.
I know it's not your first(or 2nd) username but you must have something better to do than create countless posts & reply to EVERY thread made, numerous times each thread.
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Then they should have been scratched at PCD
Confederate was no where near Lexington when this happened.
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Too bad one of the blow hards hosting the telecast didn't have the balls to ask about the midnight blood testing.
You should have watched the other telecast. COSI produced, aired on Youtube and Facebook too. Hosted by some of the old Mohawk crew Gary, Chad, Mike et al. Their commentary guests were John Campbell and Bill O'Donnell. Much better than having to listen to Heyden's irrelevant stats although O'Donnell was definintely showing his age.
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Confederate was no where near Lexington when this happened.
Never said he was. I have no idea which horses had their blood pulled at midnight but in my opinion, suspensions should have been handed out and as far as I can tell, they weren't.
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You should have watched the other telecast. COSI produced, aired on Youtube and Facebook too. Hosted by some of the old Mohawk crew Gary, Chad, Mike et al. Their commentary guests were John Campbell and Bill O'Donnell. Much better than having to listen to Heyden's irrelevant stats although O'Donnell was definintely showing his age.
I definitely would have liked to have seen that.
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I definitely would have liked to have seen that.
It's still up on the Breeders Crown channel on Youtube. They come in during the second half of the show when they feature the Crown races.
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Confederate was no where near Lexington when this happened.
With this neolithic statement,
when a trainer gets a positive on one horse he was only using it on that horse.
Allard Banca , Oakes they just treated one horse.
Stupid statement
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With this neolithic statement,
when a trainer gets a positive on one horse he was only using it on that horse.
Allard Banca , Oakes they just treated one horse.
Stupid statement
There were no positive tests. The person that got caught doing it was suspended. DC use more than 1 trainer. So no telling if it even happened in Pelling barn
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There were no positive tests. The person that got caught doing it was suspended. DC use more than 1 trainer. So no telling if it even happened in Pelling barn
They didn't have the balls to suspend trainer(s) or owner so they suspended some flunkie which doesn't affect their operation at all. What a joke.
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There were no positive tests. The person that got caught doing it was suspended. DC use more than 1 trainer. So no telling if it even happened in Pelling barn
There weren’t any positives with the Allard etc, they knew what they were using and still couldn’t catch it, they knew BG’s gave the NS horse Epo , have that on wire taps and no positive. So DC was looking after the other 3 yrs in hopes of beating Confedrate. This is your contention
Ignorance truly is bliss
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Imagine if the exact scenario would have happened to L.Toscano at the jug...
Would you still be going on like you have been or would you make 50 threads going on & on about her cheating.
Just using her as an example but I've been here for years & have seen you post nothing but bias dribble.
You have your fav's & those you hate, your hate shines through daily...
I do seem to recall I was the first to post IMS "tried his heart out" in his elim. I will always credit any great performance by any horse or person.
Yes, i do have a bias against Linda. have raced against or watched her race my entire life. She is just a bit older. She is nothing special and her placement in the HOF is mostly because she checked the "female" box. Many, MANY male trainers with more accomplished and distinguished careers are still not in the HOF. And they should have been ahead of her. I also, harp on Dexter Dunn when he does dumb shit like he did twice last night. Is he talented? ABSOLUTELY and he can earn. but he is not a complete driver yet. like a Tetrick or Miller who make 3 or 4 mistakes all year. Do I harp on Bent Holland? Yes i do, because he either doesn't care or is a cheater and he doesn't deserve the privelege of racing for the purses he does.
We ALL have faves and people we dislike. It's life and horse racing. I have had people tell me IMS is a better horse than Confederate. That's a joke! Hell, I feel Stockade Seelster is a better horse than IMS. I had a guy on here tell me Herve was overrated! Patently absurd. Arguably the greatest driver ever on a half and so on...
No need to agree but no need to come at people on here with anger. And, FYI, the last thing I have in my heart is hate. tmbz1
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There weren’t any positives with the Allard etc, they knew what they were using and still couldn’t catch it, they knew BG’s gave the NS horse Epo , have that on wire taps and no positive. So DC was looking after the other 3 yrs in hopes of beating Confedrate. This is your contention
Ignorance truly is bliss
Confederate was 10 hours away in NJ. Not sure what they were looking to accomplish on the other horses that were in KY
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You guys are the ones claiming they were dopeing the horses. What do you think they were trying to accomplish?
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Haven't been here long but you got thousands upon thousands of posts in such a short time.
I know it's not your first(or 2nd) username but you must have something better to do than create countless posts & reply to EVERY thread made, numerous times each thread.
Only username i have ever had. I cant help it if you don't believe me. As I alluded to, i got very lucky with something away from harness racing that allowed me to semi retire at a young age and I was away from the business and heavily involved in dressage for many years. I have posted heavily when time allows. Sorry if that upsets you. I have much to keep me busy and I blend my time well. 35 acres green/dozens of 2 and 4 legged creatures. Peace out, buddy
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My average since joining is 19 posts per day. Why do you find that an astonishing figure?
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Confederate was 10 hours away in NJ. Not sure what they were looking to accomplish on the other horses that were in KY
Then why not just have the attending Veterinarians that are at the track do your bloodwork. What are we trying to hide. If your on the up n up why take such a risk.
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That is the million dollar question. Not sure why they didn’t want the trainers to know they were pulling blood on them
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That’s why ist should have been immediate suspension of all DC horse . It’s not like once they got caught they were going to confess, what was actually going on.
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The bottom line is an employee of DC was caught at midnight on a state sanctioned property with at the minimum, needles. The flunkie that got caught was not there of her own volition therfore either the owner or trainer or both should also be suspended. Get caught at M1 with a bag of needles and I can guarantee there will be suspensions.
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Now now MC if it’s a certain trainer at M1 then am sure they would have and except abler reason for having them. How many guys you think could say on pre race interview, yeah the asked to race so n so easy tonight so there fresh for the stake next week and only get taken off those drivers that night.
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Now now MC if it’s a certain trainer at M1 then am sure they would have and except abler reason for having them. How many guys you think could say on pre race interview, yeah the asked to race so n so easy tonight so there fresh for the stake next week and only get taken off those drivers that night.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Hard evidence is just that. An idiot like Bongiorno talking is not.
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As brilliant as you could ask for! 1;48.1, last quarter 26 in a storm! TY to God, Brett and Timmy for a great ride. tmbz1
YES in deed. God played a huge part. Why didn't Timmy mention it after the race just like so many baseball, football and basketball players do. Ron Burke had a great night too. I think he was in a Synagogue during Yom Kippur and got himself a clean slate. 11.wp
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YES in deed. God played a huge part. Why didn't Timmy mention it after the race just like so many baseball, football and basketball players do. Ron Burke had a great night too. I think he was in a Synagogue during Yom Kippur and got himself a clean slate. 11.wp
LOL
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YES in deed. God played a huge part. Why didn't Timmy mention it after the race just like so many baseball, football and basketball players do. Ron Burke had a great night too. I think he was in a Synagogue during Yom Kippur and got himself a clean slate. 11.wp
Wish I saw Timmy's interview. the feed I saw on RTN only had Bowden and Brett.
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The question remains, what was going on at midnight and how was anyone caught at that late hour? (https://ustrottingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/CONFEDERATE-Dean-Gillette-Photography-250x167.jpg)
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The fact they were caught is reason to question. The fact they were facilitating acts with syringes, and blood voiles, is cause for immediate suspension without appeal. The fact that we have not created a thread here to voice the a large or unanimous position that the USTA has done nothing, is also wrong by all of us.
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I agree! How is there not being more made of this? Scared he wont sponsor events? And no one has forced him to answer why was this being done.