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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: polish jola on March 14, 2021, 08:45:17 AM
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In Saturday night's 9th race weekly Open handicap, Mr. Burke had 2 horses in, GD Western Joe and The First Step. Both are nice horses, and the field was pretty competitive!! But lo and behold, as is almost always the way things go with the Burke Brigade, the 2 horses finished 1 and 2!! I really would like to compliment Mr. Burke and his training methods. Not that the 2 horses finished 1st and 2nd, but they completely DESTROYED this field by 8 lengths!! I would just love to know how he gets not 1 horse, but 2, to run lights out like that!! Nothing like good old hard work and hay and oats.
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saw that looking at results.
Open goes for $22k-- but then you catch GD JOE who wins when they want to.....
So you are now racing for second money or $11k
Then they let Burke put two into the open and they run off
So you are now racing for third money $5500
This is now the racing for this decade.
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You would have thought these nice horses would be entered in the Borgata Series at Yonkers!! Oh, I just looked at the entries, and lo and behold, Mr. Burke has one he in each division!! Oh, and of course, every one of them is the ML favorite!! So I guess he can just go on beating up on the little guys in Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and pretty soon in Indiana and Illinois!! It must be nice to be able to win whenever you want!! Oh, I forgot Canada, sorry!!
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AMAZING HOW JEALOUS PEOPLE ARE OF THE BURKE OPERATION
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AMAZING HOW JEALOUS PEOPLE ARE OF THE BURKE OPERATION
Not jealous, he's playing by the race office rules......
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AMAZING HOW JEALOUS PEOPLE ARE OF THE BURKE OPERATION
Not jealous, envious.
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Not jealous, envious.
Envy, one of the Bible's 7 Deadly Sins.
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Not jealous, not envious--just asking how he has everything so well prepared! Especially when the purses are very nice!! Are you trying to tell me the other 8 trainers in the race are that bad?? Or is he just that good, that he can make all of them look like fools!
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burke steps foot at miami
he hires second trainers
few of them go on their own after a while and call themselves trainers
when they actually BARN HELP
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burke has good horses buys 499 babies
8 are good ,,usually
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Right on the mark, Luc! He just has so many interchangeable parts, he is a juggernaut!! You and Me get 1 good one every couple years, but you can't knock heads with him week after week, cause when one gets a little sour, he just calls another one off the bench to pinch hit!!
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hey look, the dumbass just answered his own kwestion, which was asset up from the beginning
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Right on the mark, Luc! He just has so many interchangeable parts, he is a juggernaut!! You and Me get 1 good one every couple years, but you can't knock heads with him week after week, cause when one gets a little sour, he just calls another one off the bench to pinch hit!!
He’s the Tom Brady and Michael Jordan of harness racing!
Obviously he has the deep roster of horses and does things different, can’t hate the guy for the achievements he accomplished up to now. On the other hand when your horses win do the other 9 guys come on horseplop to bitch about it?
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BOX STUFFER
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You would have thought these nice horses would be entered in the Borgata Series at Yonkers!! Oh, I just looked at the entries, and lo and behold, Mr. Burke has one he in each division!! Oh, and of course, every one of them is the ML favorite!!
Mr. Esposito I respect you but WTF are you talking about. Burke has only 4 in the 5 divisions of the Borgata and only one of them is the ML favorite and from Post 8 I doubt if he will even be the favorite at post time
Just sayin.
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Lets give Ron Burke the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't cheat....... 98za.ag
So if this is true then why for the last 2 weeks his horses were completely empty on the final turn?
This was true at the Meadowlands and in Ohio. 11.wp
Then all of a sudden this weekend they all had the stamina to finish their race. tmbz1
Went from no gas to all gas like flipping a light switch. 91zxa.1
Huge form reversals across the board. 11.wp
If Ron Burke doesn't cheat...then why do his horses all go bad at once then get good again at the same time?
That is a classic trait of trainers who cheat. 77z.chf 91.jzail
No gradual changes in improvement or decline in form.
Tell me what other sport has athletes that perform like yo-yo's? 74zac.1
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Lets give Ron Burke the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't cheat....... 98za.ag
So if this is true then why for the last 2 weeks his horses were completely empty on the final turn?
This was true at the Meadowlands and in Ohio. 11.wp
Then all of a sudden this weekend they all had the stamina to finish their race. tmbz1
Went from no gas to all gas like flipping a light switch. 91zxa.1
Huge form reversals across the board. 11.wp
If Ron Burke doesn't cheat...then why do his horses all go bad at once then get good again at the same time?
That is a classic trait of trainers who cheat. 77z.chf 91.jzail
No gradual changes in improvement or decline in form.
Tell me what other sport has athletes that perform like yo-yo's? 74zac.1
Basketball lol
Prime example - Devin Booker 70 points one night, the night before 28 and the night after his 70 point performance he had 23. No gradual changes in improvement or decline in form. Sometimes you have a great night then you come back to normal. Happens in horses too. No explanation sometimes.
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Basketball lol
Prime example - Devin Booker 70 points one night, the night before 28 and the night after his 70 point performance he had 23. No gradual changes in improvement or decline in form. Sometimes you have a great night then you come back to normal. Happens in horses too. No explanation sometimes.
Very poor example. angbk
Horses don't shoot baskets. angbk
Shooting baskets is a skill. ngc3
Horses perform through endurance...stami na. 11.wp
Tell me which basketball players/teams stop running up and down the court in the 3rd quarter? ngc3 ngc3
Try again. 11.dt
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My friend, according to your point of there being no gradual changes in improvement or decline in performance, my example is a perfect example! Devin Booker had no gradual changes in his performance. He went straight to the top and straight back down. If that was not your point then I would be more clear as to what your point is next time.
Now onto your next point - Yes! Yes, I have saw a basketball player stop running in the third quarter. Klay Thompson stopped running up and down the basketball court with 2:22 left in the third quarter of the NBA Finals Game 6 against the Raptors.
Anymore points I can prove wrong for you? Keep saying stupid shit and I can keep delivering better answers ngc3
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My friend, according to your point of there being no gradual changes in improvement or decline in performance, my example is a perfect example! Devin Booker had no gradual changes in his performance. He went straight to the top and straight back down. If that was not your point then I would be more clear as to what your point is next time.
Now onto your next point - Yes! Yes, I have saw a basketball player stop running in the third quarter. Klay Thompson stopped running up and down the basketball court with 2:22 left in the third quarter of the NBA Finals Game 6 against the Raptors.
Anymore points I can prove wrong for you? Keep saying stupid shit and I can keep delivering better answers ngc3
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 all true stuff
AND SHAQ ALWAYS QUIT IN THE 3RD QUARTER ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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My friend, according to your point of there being no gradual changes in improvement or decline in performance, my example is a perfect example! Devin Booker had no gradual changes in his performance. He went straight to the top and straight back down. If that was not your point then I would be more clear as to what your point is next time.
Now onto your next point - Yes! Yes, I have saw a basketball player stop running in the third quarter. Klay Thompson stopped running up and down the basketball court with 2:22 left in the third quarter of the NBA Finals Game 6 against the Raptors.
Anymore points I can prove wrong for you? Keep saying stupid shit and I can keep delivering better answers ngc3
Stop comparing an actual skill vs. endurance. angbk
Horse racing is pure speed and endurance.
Shooting a basketball, hitting a baseball/golfball, throwing a football or catching one is a skill.
None of those skills benefit from blood builders to enhance stamina and endurance. angbk
Now if you want to compare cycling and Lance Armstrong to horse racing have at it. tmbz1
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Stop comparing an actual skill vs. endurance. angbk
Horse racing is pure speed and endurance.
Shooting a basketball, hitting a baseball/golfball, throwing a football or catching one is a skill.
None of those skills benefit from blood builders to enhance stamina and endurance. angbk
Now if you want to compare cycling and Lance Armstrong to horse racing have at it. tmbz1
Well let me prove you wrong once again. Playing basketball can benefit from blood builders (running up and down a basketball court for 48 minutes) it takes endurance and stamina. Same with football running up and down the field can benefit from blood builders. And if you want to bring PEDs into the conversation every one of those sports can benefit from them lmfao. I don’t know if you’ve ever played basketball, but having played basketball in high school and college, I can say, you definitely need plenty of endurance to run up and down the court for 40 minutes and still be able to shoot a basketball at a high clip. So with that being said you could definitely benefit from blood builders in basketball. Therefor, I am proving your thesis, once again, WRONG. But keep trying pal.
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Stop it boys. We all know Burke Is Christian.. enuff said tmbz1
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he might cheap
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Stop it boys. We all know Burke Is Christian.. enuff said tmbz1
The biggest thieves come from The Church. 11.wp
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BURKE IS PROLLY RACING CLEAN
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Very true
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The biggest thieves come from The Church. 11.wp
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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Y'all are some jealous MF!! ngc3
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 some peoples kids shouldn't be allowed on here... first, most of you are either fans or haters of the sport and know absolutely nothing about the game. Horse racing is a skill. Its not of a skill than football, basketball, baseball. Nascar, way more of a skill than anything. If you are a trainer or driver this would have been said already. So when you degenerates actually know what the hell your talking about, then talk shit. If it's not a skill why do trainer drivers have to take a test? Do you need to take a test to play football? No. Do you take a test to swing a baseball bat? Nope. A test for basketball? Negative. Test to drive a Nascar yepper. Don't ever say racing horses isn't a skill.
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GO FUCK YOURSELF WOOF WOOF WOOF
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 some peoples kids shouldn't be allowed on here... first, most of you are either fans or haters of the sport and know absolutely nothing about the game. Horse racing is a skill. Its not of a skill than football, basketball, baseball. Nascar, way more of a skill than anything. If you are a trainer or driver this would have been said already. So when you degenerates actually know what the hell your talking about, then talk shit. If it's not a skill why do trainer drivers have to take a test? Do you need to take a test to play football? No. Do you take a test to swing a baseball bat? Nope. A test for basketball? Negative. Test to drive a Nascar yepper. Don't ever say racing horses isn't a skill.
You don't believe playing football or hitting a baseball is skillful? Of course training a horse or driving a race takes skill but, please explain why the others don't.
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ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 some peoples kids shouldn't be allowed on here... first, most of you are either fans or haters of the sport and know absolutely nothing about the game. Horse racing is a skill. Its not of a skill than football, basketball, baseball. Nascar, way more of a skill than anything. If you are a trainer or driver this would have been said already. So when you degenerates actually know what the hell your talking about, then talk shit. If it's not a skill why do trainer drivers have to take a test? Do you need to take a test to play football? No. Do you take a test to swing a baseball bat? Nope. A test for basketball? Negative. Test to drive a Nascar yepper. Don't ever say racing horses isn't a skill.
Definitely a skill even though its not something that will ever be appreciated by the masses due to the sports limited appeal!
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Anyone who knows anything about the Burkes in the earlier days knows they are not without their infractions. Maybe a little bit before Ron's primetime.
But their stock is 100% different now. They obviously know how to manage these horses. They get the vet work they need, they place them where they can win, and get some super high quality stock to work with. Unless they are ahead of the testing, which I guess is possible, at the top levels they can't be cheating at this point.
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Anyone who knows anything about the Burkes in the earlier days knows they are not without their infractions. Maybe a little bit before Ron's primetime.
But their stock is 100% different now. They obviously know how to manage these horses. They get the vet work they need, they place them where they can win, and get some super high quality stock to work with. Unless they are ahead of the testing, which I guess is possible, at the top levels they can't be cheating at this point.
Along with a little tubing on the side, what's not to like? Trust me on this one.
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Along with a little tubing on the side, what's not to like? Trust me on this one.
Fat: I'm not a fan or hater of Mr. Burke but my question to everyone who thinks he uses anything to gain an advantage is that with the size of his operation, I assume he's got horses all over the place in different states ..There are multiple second trainers, grooms etc that oversee his operations, He can't be everywhere ..Don't you think someone would have snitched after all this time...There's always a disgruntled\fired employee or someone who likes to brag about getting away with cheating.. They would all have to be tighter lipped than the Gambino crime family and even those guys ratted on each other to save their own skins..
Just my thoughts..
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Granted Burke has a lot of wins and money made at the end of the year. And he also has Lots and Lots of horses. And he has lots of babies that he and his partners pay big money for that show up with minimal ability and just go away. He does well, but it's not like 100% of his horses become "killers" once he gets them in his barn. But I guess with as much money as he makes, he can afford to have six-figure babies just disappear.
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Fat: I'm not a fan or hater of Mr. Burke but my question to everyone who thinks he uses anything to gain an advantage is that with the size of his operation, I assume he's got horses all over the place in different states ..There are multiple second trainers, grooms etc that oversee his operations, He can't be everywhere ..Don't you think someone would have snitched after all this time...There's always a disgruntled\fired employee or someone who likes to brag about getting away with cheating.. They would all have to be tighter lipped than the Gambino crime family and even those guys ratted on each other to save their own skins..
Just my thoughts..
It's mostly a numbers game at his level, however everyone gets paid to do a job as well.
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GO FUCK YOURSELF WOOF WOOF WOOF
Thats what your mother said before I fucked her into her grave cunt
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But I guess with as much money as he makes, he can afford to have six-figure babies just disappear.
This is a great point. If you have some time, go back through the "Twos in Training" videos done by the Harness Racing Update team over the last few years.
Where did all these horses go? I can count on one hand the number of horses from the last 3 years of Twos in Training I recognize. Burke has done it every year. And - I appreciate that. I LOVE the twos in training videos.
But honestly - where are all these horses? Probably the fillies are broodmares. But take an hour and bump up the Twos in Training videos off of Pathway's performance reports, and it's a shitshow.
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I agree that they spend lots of money and buy lots of horses. But been watching the Meadows lately and his horses are absolutely horrible one week then run off the screen the next. It happens regularly there. Unfortunately haven’t figured out the exact pattern yet. There is always good money to be made when they go backwards
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Mickey Burke :1 begat Ron Burke
Brian Pelling :1 begat Brett Pelling
Colin Johnson :1 begat Cory Johnson
Bill Robinson begat :1 .....oh you get the point!
Cheaters never fall far from the family tree. 77z.chf 91.jzail
Anyone defending these family of cheaters is either involved with them or a stupid inbred hillbilly. 94z.sm
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In this industry everyone is cheating!!!!!! Its 2021 and we act like this sport is “PURE” cmon fellas this is an absolute Joke to even talk about everyones hands are dirty its just the name of the game!!!!! Yes I agree maybe not every horse is gassed because reading the condition sheet is a mist as avtrainer little Joe did that very well in illinois for awhile!!!!!! Best woute from little Joe after a saturday nite!!!!!! Guy asked Joe hey when did u know your horse was goin to win at the half at the three quarters? Joe replied after the draw!!!!But we all know theres dirty in this industry!!!!
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To the observer, looks like an awful lot cheat (I dont think it's fair to say all). The tapes associated with the Allard court case paint a very very harsh unforgiving window into what is going on - it just confirms what gambler's have long known and what racing insiders have long denied and attempted to gloss over. Of course those insiders have much to gain by keeping the general public in the dark regarding death camps.
It so much reminds me of mlb in the 90s. I'd have exactly these same arguments with people regarding how guys like brady anderson and lenny dykstra went from being banjo hitters to monster long ball hitters. A lot of people in baseball didn't want to see what was obvious. I remember one guy suddendly jacking hrs whose forehead was widening a 1/4 inch every year explain to a sports reporter that it was all due to better nutrition. He said something like you cant take b vitamins at the same time you take iron. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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He ain't got no niggaz working for him
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easy to forget how dominate he is
four times the wins and earnings of the next closest
of course that will adjust/change in the heart of stakes season but in overnights he fills the boxes everywhere