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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: PurpleSheetPicks on February 01, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
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If that wasn't causing confusion in the tent that Meadowlands by Yannick I don't know what is I've seen some horrible takedowns for causing confusion they better take a long look at this one
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Not even an inquiry.
And people wonder why the sport is dying.
if horses are to be taken down for confusion which I'm not even sure about should be done in the first place, but given that they are supposed to be taken down for creating Confusion by backing it down this is a hundred percent clear case of it
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I've been telling people how bad a betting product the Meadowlands is even though they get handle yes the prices are ridiculous and events like this on a Saturday night at a Meadowlands that go without so much as an inquiry are a fucking joke and give sport a black eye
If they can take down a horse in the derby you can take down a favorite from 3rd at The Meadowlands even though it's Yannick & Bourke
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He finished 4th.
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He finished 4th.
Was it a super race?
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I'll watch the replay, but that horse is lazy and almost tries to pull up.
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you're not supposed to cut off the horse and then just stop driving and allow yourself to back up the field
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So he finished fourth but there was a super it really doesn't even take a differenence
There should have been an inquiry and he should have been taken down from 4th
The owners / trainer of McCarthy's horse can't be too happy about it look like he made a nasty break because of it
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yea i can see what you mean...hewas lil early tryin to grab a breather as Andys horse was right on his helmet but he had been used hard to clear. Break by 7 was zero to do with it tho.
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And just for the record I didn't even have a horse in the race or a bet all I care about is better than being happy with the product so that the sport survives and there was a uniform set of rules for everybody
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yea i can see what you mean...hewas lil early tryin to grab a breather as Andys horse was right on his helmet but he had been used hard to clear. Break by 7 was zero to do with it tho.
What about Corey Callahan having to pull out into the other horses face
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yea i can see what you mean...hewas lil early tryin to grab a breather as Andys horse was right on his helmet but he had been used hard to clear. Break by 7 was zero to do with it tho.
I don't know how you're saying the seven didn't have anything to do with it when the horses are coming to a dead stop in front of you and one of the horses directly in front of you was forced to interfere with someone else to change paths what exactly is he supposed to do he had to grab ahold of his horse and broke
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I dunno ...looks like Eric moved over as Corey was already finding the seam before anything happens. McCarthy had the option to follow Corey but yea likely grabbed his up and xxx but definitely couldve followed Corey.
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The bottom line is he took the lead and immediately back down the pace to a degree where it cause confusion to the horses behind him clearly and should have been taken down yet there wasn't even an inquiry but I seem to remember or race at the Red Mile years ago that horse was taken down just for going too slow of quarter without even horses having to take up or break or change paths same thing with Yonkers
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The bottom line is he took the lead and immediately back down the pace to a degree where it cause confusion to the horses behind him clearly and should have been taken down yet there wasn't even an inquiry but I seem to remember or race at the Red Mile years ago that horse was taken down just for going too slow of quarter without even horses having to take up or break or change paths same thing with Yonkers
yea i remember Campbell got taken down w Odds on Equulus? or sumthin or other...true shouldve at least looked at it. By the looks of it Corey had a handful before they really slowed up and musta yelled so Eric moved over.
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Right
And happened at yonkers 2 times just for going 30 seconds even without confusion
just don't know how this could go without even being looked at
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The rule for causing confusion is rarely enforced! Probably because management feels uncomfortable with reversing the results of a race based on something that most fans find hard to comprehend! I have always thought that drivers should be penalized regularly for this but only disqualified if the interference is clearly evident! Most drivers are cheap skates so you have to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket book!
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Like I said in one of my posts I don't necessarily think that you should be penalized for slowing the race down I think that's good strategy and in some of the races at Yonkers where he was taken down it was actually just good strategy but the way it was done last night was straight up dangerous
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The bottom line is he took the lead and immediately back down the pace to a degree where it cause confusion to the horses behind him clearly and should have been taken down yet there wasn't even an inquiry but I seem to remember or race at the Red Mile years ago that horse was taken down just for going too slow of quarter without even horses having to take up or break or change paths same thing with Yonkers
There is a written rule somewhere about backing down quarters too....
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That whole rule of causing confusion by slowing down on the front end is just ridiculous!!! If the horse on the lead is going to slow go around him simple as that unless the driver is pulling hard to basically slow the horse down quickly (basically trying to pull the horse up), but if it's done gradually there shouldn't be a problem.
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IF YOU MAKE THE TOP, DRIVE ON...NOT BACKWARDS
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East Coast 11.w. = Shitty Product
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That whole rule of causing confusion by slowing down on the front end is just ridiculous!!! If the horse on the lead is going to slow go around him simple as that unless the driver is pulling hard to basically slow the horse down quickly (basically trying to pull the horse up), but if it's done gradually there shouldn't be a problem.
To slow down is fine but to make the top and he the brakes is dangerous
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East Coast 11.w. = Shitty Product
IT SMOKES WELL
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You shouldn't be able to throw out an anchor dangerously, but isn't the benefit of clearing to the front, you have the opportunity to control the fractions? If you're driving my horse and it isn't a beast, I'm going to be pissed if you put up better than required 2nd and 3rd quarters, then spit the bit in the stretch.
Sometimes drivers can't win with gamblers.
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Wtf they give each other holes almost every race.
No fines or suspensions.
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That whole rule of causing confusion by slowing down on the front end is just ridiculous!!! If the horse on the lead is going to slow go around him simple as that unless the driver is pulling hard to basically slow the horse down quickly (basically trying to pull the horse up), but if it's done gradually there shouldn't be a problem.
Now I see how you got your name! Yes back things down so the horses behind you are totally jammed up and mathematically eliminated or better yet, pull out and throw away any chance you have! The race leader does not have to go pedal to the metal and exhaust his mount but
he has the responsibility of setting a reasonable pace for the class he is in!
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THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FINESSE DRIVE AND AN ANCHOR JOB
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Now I see how you got your name! Yes back things down so the horses behind you are totally jammed up and mathematically eliminated or better yet, pull out and throw away any chance you have! The race leader does not have to go pedal to the metal and exhaust his mount but
he has the responsibility of setting a reasonable pace for the class he is in!
Well said, and backing into the field and driving fast fractions aren't in the same category. Going pedal to the metal is not causing a danger to the rest of the field.
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FUCKIN IDIOTS CANT READ A RULE BOOK? ITS ALL IN THE RULES THAT THEY NEVER ENFORCE AGREED.....BUT IT CLEARLY STATES WHAT CONSTITUTES A "BACKING DOWN A QUARTER" VIOLATION MEANS.
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I guess you never had one come to a crawl in front of you because of setting ridiculous fractions and you have no where to go.
Well if you're stupid enough to not realize the fractions can't hold up, then you deserve to get trapped behind tired horse. PULL
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Well if you're stupid enough to not realize the fractions can't hold up, then you deserve to get trapped behind tired horse. PULL
THEN YOU HAVE THE ENTRY 1ST UP AND RACE IS DECIDED THEN
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"Too stupid to realize the fractions."
"Don't have a chance to pull the right line."
"1st up and race is decided."
In 3 sentences you have much of what makes one driver better than another. The good ones make those quick decisions, at the right time, more often than they don't.
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Mr. Campbell .... Have a snickers. Little touchy.
I wasn't talking about any race in particular.
It was a general comment relative to the fact that during a race, drivers have to make split second decisions based on how a race is shaping up. Who's in front of me, who's behind, who's spitting it, who's pumped up?
Should I back this thing off, should I try to catch the field napping and grab a couple of open lengths as we turn for home, should I get out now because if I don't, I'm going to get shuffled back to last and have to circle the field, should I stay in because the horse in front of me is pulling the drivers arms off and when he turns him loose, I'm good to follow and pop out in the last 1/8th.
Like in most sports, the greats are usually one step and one thought ahead of the average competitor.
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Sometimes you never have a chance to pull the right line douche bag but you wouldn't know that since you've never sat behind a horse in your life.
Actually for what it's worth, I have sat behind a horse . If a race early on is going ridiculous fractions, it's not likely that horses will on your right. Most likely everyone is just trying to keep up at that point and my point is you pull before they back into you. If you get caught playing with your pecker, your stuck.