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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: seriously on May 16, 2018, 12:52:25 PM
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$131,000 over 15 races at 2PM eastern at Scioto Downs.
Put that same card at Hawthorne or The Meadowlands and the public would wager 10X as much, and possibly more.
Just a HUGE waste of racing aside from people who own/train/drive.
Why not just run them in the AM for purse money only.
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$131,000 over 15 races at 2PM eastern at Scioto Downs.
Put that same card at Hawthorne or The Meadowlands and the public would wager 10X as much, and possibly more.
Just a HUGE waste of racing aside from people who own/train/drive.
Why not just run them in the AM for purse money only.
Is it a huge waste of racing or you just jelious your not involved
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SAYS THE IDIOT WHO ANNOUNCES HE BETS WYATT IRVINE
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I guess the beauty is harness racing could go away tomorrow and I still would not want for anything...so not being involved is hardly a big deal.
I know several people "involved" and I wouldn't trade with any of them.
I enjoy the sport and know for a fact that wasting so much horse power on zero fans will lead to only one end.
If the "sport" is run for the benefit of those involved, simply eliminate wagering completely. You could finish the 15 races in well under 2 hours and save countless salaries.
The anger permeating this board from those involved seems to speak to its true nature.
And as for Wyatt, he drives so few and if you select him properly he is a great ROI guy.
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And as for Wyatt, he drives so few and if you select him properly he is a great ROI guy.
AS THEY SAY IT IS BETTER TO BE SILENT AND THOUGHT THE FOOL, THAN TO OPEN ONES MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT
Name Starts W W% P P% S S% UDR ITM% ROI% Earnings EPS
Irvine, Wyatt 35 1 3% 4 11% 4 11% .130 26% -97% $13,561 $387
AND WASNT THAT 1 WIN THE OTHER DAY ON A HORSE THAT PAID $2.20?
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Will they handle what they're giving out in purses? If so, can't be much more.
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$131,000 over 15 races at 2PM eastern at Scioto Downs.
Put that same card at Hawthorne or The Meadowlands and the public would wager 10X as much, and possibly more.
Just a HUGE waste of racing aside from people who own/train/drive.
Why not just run them in the AM for purse money only.
Yeah...but you can't walk into the next building and play your favorite slot machines after the races at Hawthorne or M1. So, WTF?
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$131,000 over 15 races at 2PM eastern at Scioto Downs.
Put that same card at Hawthorne or The Meadowlands and the public would wager 10X as much, and possibly more.
Just a HUGE waste of racing aside from people who own/train/drive.
Why not just run them in the AM for purse money only.
I am seriously on the seriously bandwagon
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AS THEY SAY IT IS BETTER TO BE SILENT AND THOUGHT THE FOOL, THAN TO OPEN ONES MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT
Name Starts W W% P P% S S% UDR ITM% ROI% Earnings EPS
Irvine, Wyatt 35 1 3% 4 11% 4 11% .130 26% -97% $13,561 $387
AND WASNT THAT 1 WIN THE OTHER DAY ON A HORSE THAT PAID $2.20?
Seems to me that my REPORTS show many different Net W/L%. So if you think a horse has to win in order for a person's ROI to be positive, well, I guess you truly do belong here.
And I would venture the $2.20 was a typo and not a case of opening one's mouth to remove all doubt.
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And as for Wyatt, he drives so few and if you select him properly he is a great ROI guy.
Maybe that helps too.
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# 1 problem is lack of owners and horses. Not worth breeding or owning with all the drug trainers and skyrocketing cost of owning and breeding.
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There are too many of the Over the Hill Generation trying to run the organization using 1975 as their benchmark. Those old fucks who ruined the sport in the first place with their arrogance, should just shut the fuck up, get the fuck out and let the modern generation take over and try to overcome the shit the last generation left them.
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Seems to me that my REPORTS show many different Net W/L%. So if you think a horse has to win in order for a person's ROI to be positive, well, I guess you truly do belong here.
And I would venture the $2.20 was a typo and not a case of opening one's mouth to remove all doubt.
Wtf do you think ROI is calculated on? WPS?
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There are too many of the Over the Hill Generation trying to run the organization using 1975 as their benchmark. Those old fucks who ruined the sport in the first place with their arrogance, should just shut the fuck up, get the fuck out and let the modern generation take over and try to overcome the shit the last generation left them.
HEY REMEMBER WHEN THERE USED TO BE 40000 IN THE GRANDSTANDS ON A SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!
(because there was literally nothing else to do).
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HEY REMEMBER WHEN THERE USED TO BE 40000 IN THE GRANDSTANDS ON A SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!
(because there was literally nothing else to do).
AND DO THE WHORSEMEN THINK THAT THEY THEMSELVES WERE THE REASON FOR THE CROWDS? OR WAS IT THE GAMBLING?
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Wtf do you think ROI is calculated on? WPS?
Are you serious? Really? You can't be that simple.
ROI is RETURN ON INVESTMENT...peri od.
ROI= (Gain From Investment - Cost Of Investment) / Cost Of Investment.
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# 1 problem is lack of owners and horses. Not worth breeding or owning with all the drug trainers and skyrocketing cost of owning and breeding.
I will agree that my initial claim was focusing on the outside.
100% concur with Refusedtopace's assessment intrenally.
Externally, the tracks with the weakest fan base often hold the most races with the best horses/drivers, while tracks that people actually watch and play dwindle down to nothing. (Monticello/Meadowlands/Hawthorne) Handle per horse indicates these 3 tracks to be the most watched/wagered by leaps and bounds.
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Are you serious? Really? You can't be that simple.
ROI is RETURN ON INVESTMENT...peri od.
ROI= (Gain From Investment - Cost Of Investment) / Cost Of Investment.
No shit I know what ROI means fuckface. NO ONE TOUTS ROI ON WPS. That would be absurd and idiotic. Win ROI is the only one published in forms and if you're calculating your own WPS ROI stats you must never win.
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I will agree that my initial claim was focusing on the outside.
100% concur with Refusedtopace's assessment intrenally.
Externally, the tracks with the weakest fan base often hold the most races with the best horses/drivers, while tracks that people actually watch and play dwindle down to nothing. (Monticello/Meadowlands/Hawthorne) Handle per horse indicates these 3 tracks to be the most watched/wagered by leaps and bounds.
Northfield, Cal expo Pompano and Yonkers outhandle Montishithole and Northfield live has probably the best attendance of any but the Meadowlands and Running Aces
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No shit I know what ROI means fuckface. NO ONE TOUTS ROI ON WPS. That would be absurd and idiotic. Win ROI is the only one published in forms and if you're calculating your own WPS ROI stats you must never win.
No one, huh?
At least you make me smile man, and I appreciate that.
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Northfield, Cal expo Pompano and Yonkers outhandle Montishithole and Northfield live has probably the best attendance of any but the Meadowlands and Running Aces
Handle PER HORSE was the basis, and they DO NOT. Yes, total handle at Northfield is higher than Monticello, but falls well short PER HORSE.
And for the many on here that seem to really have a hard time figuring things out, here is a simple formula.
Handle PER HORSE would equal the total handle divided by the number of starters.
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(http://when you make up your own stats, you can make up your own #1)
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Most important industry statistic, purse dollars offered per horse
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ITP from other forums? If so, I understand why you get it and why others don't.
"Most important industry statistic, purse dollars offered per horse"
True for the IN.
For the OUT, it is handle per horse.
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To answer the subject question: What is the #1 problem in the industry? Lack of appeal to common markets. Our product is just not attractive enough to the average Joe/Jane.