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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: wiggles44 on May 05, 2019, 12:12:08 PM
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off to a great start for the 2019 season
ngc3
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $36,700
Total Handle: $23,670
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Saturday May 11
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $41,400
Total Handle: $18,343
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $41,100
Total Handle: $33,672
Haiwatha still in the red, Kawartha starting in the red
ngc3
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How's about also listing the profitable ones and also speaking in terms of principles of materiality when you look at the losses at smaller tracks vs impact of closures. Idiot.
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"impact of closure" such a hollow argument. You could use that as an excuse to prop up most failing businesses...
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"impact of closure" such a hollow argument. You could use that as an excuse to prop up most failing businesses...
Do the math and let us know which will cost Johnny Taxpayer more.
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Do the math and let us know which will cost Johnny Taxpayer more.
Many economics texts and studies have done the math: Subsidizing cost the taxpayer infinitely more...If subsidizing was such a net positive, then it would make sense to subsidize with infinity dollars.
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They dont simulcast, at least not to east coast.
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"impact of closure" such a hollow argument. You could use that as an excuse to prop up most failing businesses...
Agreed. So tired of the "impact of closure" argument. Treat it like any other business and let only the strong survive, which would make the product so much less watered down, so much better and might give the industry the boost it needs to start climbing the mountain again. Christ, drivers might actually have to be competitive again instead of beer buddies. Such simple business principles but the simpletons in harness racing can't figure it out because of their incessant entitlement. The government didn't throw a bunch of money at Sears and Target and so many other long gone business when they went bad because of poor product, lack of attendance and so on.
Ugh, don't get me started...
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i think if most would close the few left might be able to so a profit ,but as of now i dont think any track shows a profit
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Saturday May 18
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $41,800
Total Handle: $17,646
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $41,300
Total Handle: $32,682
11.wj
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Sunday May 19
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $37,800
Total Handle: $42,026
Flamboro Downs
Total Purse: $538,551
Total Handle: $538,374
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Saturday May 25
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $44,300
Total Handle: $17,507
getting worse
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,100
Total Handle: $21,759
i read the french fries were good
ngc3
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so how is this any worse than the nimber of times gm ford has been bailed out to keep guys making 80 grand a year some of those small trainers make almost nothing for working 80 hours a week. sooner see this than ceos making 2 million a year go hang with the small guy for a week I would not want there life
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Do the math and let us know which will cost Johnny Taxpayer more.
You speak as if those affected will never earn again. Life goes on.
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Sunday May 26
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,500
Total Handle: $24,571
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $36,900
Total Handle: $23,334
lets add two more to the list
11.wj
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Hey Wiggles
You forgot this one
Cheap horses..even a $ 3000 claiming race..and a few around $ 6000
Tuesday May 28
Fort Erie WITH ONLY 9 Races
Total Purse: $129,300
Total Handle: $102,374 Live Total Handle $ 1 , 116, 808
This is Welfare Working
People were actually at the races..just like your Yonkers and Harrahs ..and Poconose..yah ?
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You speak as if those affected will never earn again. Life goes on.
Exactly correct, subsidies just delay the inevitable and are very inefficient
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Saturday June 1
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $48,200
Total Handle: $26,859
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,700
Total Handle: $19,364
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,100
Total Handle: $22,653
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Hey Wiggles
You forgot this one
Cheap horses..even a $ 3000 claiming race..and a few around $ 6000
Tuesday May 28
Fort Erie WITH ONLY 9 Races
Total Purse: $129,300
Total Handle: $102,374 Live Total Handle $ 1 , 116, 808
This is Welfare Working
People were actually at the races..just like your Yonkers and Harrahs ..and Poconose..yah ?
This is Welfare Working
Wrong. Thoroughbred racing would handle that no matter what the purses. See: Mountaineer.
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Sad really, Kawartha handled $120,000 on Tuesdays so what do they do...race Saturdays against WEG.
Can't help but shake your head.
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Sunday June 2
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $42,800
Total Handle: $29,926
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Saturday June 8
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $43,200
Total Handle: $21,472
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $45,100
Total Handle: $20,985
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $31,400
Total Handle: $20,266
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Sunday June 9
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,400
Total Handle: $29,034
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $46,620
Total Handle: $25,605
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Sunday June 9
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,400
Total Handle: $29,034
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $46,620
Total Handle: $25,605
Put these numbers in front of one of the many entitled Ontario horsemen and they'd look at them and you like you had three heads. Name me another business in operation that could survive given this plus-minus. I say scrap all the tracks that can't support themselves (handle greater than purse) and may only the strong survive, just like in any other business. So what if there's no Hiawatha, no Clinton, etc.. Maybe the product and overall competition will get a little stronger with less watering down to all these dump tracks, which might in turn lead to less buddy-buddy driving tactics, which might lead to, which might lead to, which might lead to.
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how is this welfare when a parking lot full of 70 thou trucks are parked there these guys pay taxes then how many times did the gov bail out ford gm bombbardia while the average small company gets fuck all
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Saturday June 15
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $50,400
Total Handle: $17,895
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $43,700
Total Handle: $18,522
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $41,000
Total Handle: $28,917
11.tb
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Sunday June 16
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,600
Total Handle: $36,011
Dresden Raceway
ALL RACES CANCELLED
DUE TO UNSAFE TRACK CONDITIONS
(first week in the green)
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Sunday June 16
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,600
Total Handle: $36,011
Dresden Raceway
ALL RACES CANCELLED
DUE TO UNSAFE TRACK CONDITIONS
(first week in the green)
Lol, first week in the green
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Saturday June 22
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $42,200
Total Handle: $18,123
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $43,300
Total Handle: $22,789
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,800
Total Handle: $33,363
Pissing money away
One weekend at a time
angbk
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Lol, first week in the green
Well, not really.
I believe the track is paying $300 to each horse that was entered (except for the ones in the pacing series)
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18K in handle? for the entire card?
Correct. Can you imagine? But if you talk to horsemen in Ontario, they would never agree that there are too many tracks. They'd make the point that entitled horsemen in the Hanover/Kawartha/Clinton/Dresden/Sarnia areas need to make a living and it supports local farmers and so on, all the typical horseman bullshit, but guess what? The Patrick Shepherds and Richard Moreaus and so on ship there from out of town to find easy spots and so that argument is null and void. It is just as the initial category title states: Ontario Welfare. The industry in Ontario would be far better off dropping every track except for:
Mohawk
Flamboro
Western Fair
Why?
1. Weed out the .109 trainers/drivers from the sticks that are mostly non-competitive and mostly part-timers. Bring back a Fair circuit for them in the Summer. More competitive races means a much better product, means making the horses stars again, mean better handle and so many other things, the least of which means fewer rats to enter allowing the right horses/horse people to get in more frequently, allowing them to make a better living.
2. Purses can go up. Instead of funding 342 dump tracks, the government can support three. Imagine if the purses at these tracks were like they are at YR, PCD and so on? Again, attracts better horses/horse people, better product and so on. Eventually, maybe these three tracks are in a position to be more self-sufficient and non-reliant on a government handout.
3. Full fields. With so many tracks open, there is a horse shortage and full fields are a nightmare for bettors. With three tracks, those that survive the purge have to find a spot at one of the tree and enter and the result will be far less six and seven horse garbage fields.
All in all, just these three suggestions alone are guaranteed to spark improvement, but from a business standpoint (handle). If someone there can take the lead and stop catering to the poor-me horsemen, things might actually improve. Otherwise: Ontario Welfare.
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Sunday June 23
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $160,750
Total Handle: $60,002
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $51,400
Total Handle: $33,638
but the kids had fun
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i watched the first race from clinton today
honest, that was the only race and i did not bet it but i was watching how low the superfecta pool was
it was just above $120 with a few minutes to go and it would go up by $ 5 or so each change
ended being a pool of $143 before the refund of the 2 horse who was 5:1
yet a $.20 super payed almost $50
very odd
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how is this welfare when a parking lot full of 70 thou trucks are parked there these guys pay taxes then how many times did the gov bail out ford gm bombbardia while the average small company gets fuck all
The Canadian govt bailed out GM?
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Saturday June 29
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $41,000
Total Handle: $25,785
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $41,900
Total Handle: $22,125
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,100
Total Handle: $34,553
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Sunday June 30
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $48,000
Total Handle: $44,032
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $38,000
Total Handle: $24,871
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Monday July 1
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $113,700
Total Handle: $34,762
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Georgian Downs, another welfare case that has absolutely no business conducting business. They don't even draw full fields. Such a joke. Browsing through programs tonight, there are 28 horses in the early pick four! Imagine? Aren't they better off closing three or four of these places that could care less about betting product and having an actual business plan and combining all of the entries/horse people at one track that services the lot? Say Flamboro year round or Western Fair? It is so ridiculous.
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Saturday July 6
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $42,200
Total Handle: $23,170
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,100
Total Handle: $26,280
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,500
Total Handle: $27,753
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The good old days........
In all, 106 drivers competed at Orono for the 1969 meet which is indeed a credit for such a small meeting.
In 1969, the year's 18 programs drew a total of 12,342 patrons with a mutuel handle of $377,300 for an average of $21,000. The Orono Driving Club paid out almost $30,000 in purses compared to the $18,980 paid the previous year.
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Sunday July 7
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $101,700
Total Handle: $40,170
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $55,700
Total Handle: $29,607
...just throwing money away....
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Saturday July 13
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $41,000
Total Handle: $28,933
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $49,000
Total Handle: $22,750
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $41,300
Total Handle: $36,045
11.wj
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Thanks wiggles, keep up the good work
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Sunday July 14
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,500
Total Handle: $31,411
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $40,300
Total Handle: $26,340
62za.clp
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Saturday July 20
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $43,800
Total Handle: $19,809
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,400
Total Handle: $17,927
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $116,900
Total Handle: $35,698
11.wj
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Sunday July 21
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $58,700
Total Handle: $44,962
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $42,700
Total Handle: $30,110
ngc3
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Saturday July 20
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $43,800
Total Handle: $19,809
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,400
Total Handle: $17,927
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $116,900
Total Handle: $35,698
11.wj
pathetic. can't even combine the handle of the three tracks to cover the purses
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if hiawatha can't handle 20k a night
they shouldn't be racing for 40k a night
2019 ontario welfare
11.wj
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It is not your money who cares what they bet as long as they can race more racing better for every one.s
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taxpayers care
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Saturday July 27
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $53,500
Total Handle: $29,711
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,200
Total Handle: $21,384
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,500
Total Handle: $35,689
11.mq
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Sunday July 28
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $41,200
Total Handle: $36,314
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $46,800
Total Handle: $26,725
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Saturday August 3
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $101,800
Total Handle: $48,274
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,400
Total Handle: $28,761
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,300
Total Handle: $34,436
11.wj
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Sunday August 4
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $42,000
Total Handle: $40,606
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $38,300
Total Handle: $30,220
Let’s welcome Leamington to the welfare system
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Monday August 5
Dresden Raceway
Total Purse: $39,600
Total Handle: $36,371
Grand River Raceway
Total Purse: $540,850
Total Handle: $488,696
not in Ontario but worth the mention
Exhibition Park Raceway
Total Purse: $31,280
Total Handle: $5,389
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Saturday August 10
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $143,700
Total Handle: $30,167
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $39,900
Total Handle: $34,421
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Sunday August 11
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $118,050
Total Handle: $47,998
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $42,100
Total Handle: $43,288
Here’s some Fake News for your Monday Night
http://standardbredcanada.ca/news/8-11-19/industry-day-handle-exceeds-expectations.html
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Wiggles .... Come on man, you cherry pick your statistics.
Clinton is a very small Ontario track that would normally have a total purse of 40K.
The 100k plus card that you document had OSS races, which have always been shared with some of the smaller tracks, giving Ontarians all over the province, a chance to see some young SB talent.
No issue you believing the SB industry doesn't deserve government funding, but try to avoid the biased/misleading numbers.
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Saturday August 17
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $42,700
Total Handle: $27,535
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $42,600
Total Handle: $25,857
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $38,800
Total Handle: $27,520
Another day of “cherry picked” stats
11.wj
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Wiggles. .... I have no issues wth your data presented for Saturday the 17th. Those are the reality. I had simple called you out for flagging a 70k gap at Clinton on the OSS purse day was poor, misleading information.
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Wiggles. .... I have no issues wth your data presented for Saturday the 17th. Those are the reality. I had simple called you out for flagging a 70k gap at Clinton on the OSS purse day was poor, misleading information.
so a 70k gap is ok because it was an OSS day?
you're dancing around the obvious slim
and we both know that
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are those handle numpers USD or Canadian?
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Sunday August 18
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $36,400
Total Handle: $25,206
Georgian Downs
Total Purse: $311,400
Total Handle: $210,244
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $43,000
Total Handle: $36,860
all canadian dollars
all "misleading" information
all 11.wj
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Saturday August 24
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $208,400
Total Handle: $33,947
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $48,300
Total Handle: $23,635
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $39,700
Total Handle: $27,864
did the families have fun?
76za.dcg
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Georgian Downs
Total Purse: $311,400 includes 156k gold and 75k earl rowe
Total Handle: $210,244
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $208,400 includes 6 OSS for 130k and 56k for Balanced Image
Total Handle: $33,947
No one had any expectation of covering those purses.
You're back to cherry picking, to make it look as ugly as possible.
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I'm not defending anything. I'm challenging cherry picked numbers, that present as ugly a picture as possible. Tracks in Ontario host oss races, that no one in the racing world expects the handle to cover the purse. I just think it's like fake news to post those, leading people to believe they are the normal purses and handles for those tracks.
As for Standardbred racing, if it fails, it fails. Won't affect my future or quality of life one iota.
But calling it welfare is truly ignorant.
Guys that I know in the industry, work a hell of a lot harder than folks I know outside of it.
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Guys that I know in the industry, work a hell of a lot harder than folks I know outside of it.
They can work 90 hours a week, if no one is interested, it is a government handout. Plain and simple. Sure the Conestoga Wagon makers were hard workers but the government didnt bail them out because Ford rolled into town with a superior product.
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ITS A DEAD GAME.
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Sunday August 25
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $39,400
Total Handle: $38,464
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $44,400
Total Handle: $39,218
"No one had any expectation of covering those purses"
who covered these purses?
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"Wiggles. .... I have no issues wth your data presented for Saturday the 17th. Those are the reality. I had simply called you out for flagging a 70k gap at Clinton on the OSS purse day, was poor, misleading information."
Hey Wiggles, like I said before, I have no issue with you providing information from regular track days.
Selling 130k gaps at Hanover on a special OSS day is bull shit.
Showing Clinton missing by 1k is a weekly reality.
Now, how much money Clinton racing adds to the local economy, over and above handle, is certainly worth a conversation. When you shut the track down, how many people really join the welfare system? How much revenue does the local feed mill lose? How much revenue does the local company providing food to the track lose?
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Now, how much money Clinton racing adds to the local economy, over and above handle, is certainly worth a conversation. When you shut the track down, how many people really join the welfare system? How much revenue does the local feed mill lose? How much revenue does the local company providing food to the track lose?
Bullshit argument that can be used by nearly ANY industry if it were true. There is zero net positive economic revenue that would be lost beyond the amount of subsidies given to the horsemen. If the theory held true that there is such a positive multiplier effect on local economies, then why wouldn't you subsidize purses to a greater extent? After all, it's going to be a boon to the local economy. Why isn't this done? Because it's complete hogwash.
Further, let's suppose this argument is true: that the local auxiliary horse people would be greatly affected by racing shutting down. If that's the case, why aren't they getting slots subsidies? What makes the racing itself more important? Clearly there isn't interest in the sport itself or handle would be much higher. If these people are so vital, why not break them off a piece of the slots subsidies?
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Settle down PPG .... I asked the question. I didn't provide the answer.
You seem pretty confident in your understanding of the financial impact, so why don't you share some data that we can all have a look at?
"There is zero net positive economic revenue that would be lost beyond the amount of subsidies given to the horsemen."
Today, track open $1000 in govt subsidy $1000 to horsemen in purses $500 to local businesses
Track closed $0 subsidy $0 to horsemen $0 to local businesses
That isn't net zero. That is net $500 loss
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Settle down PPG .... I asked the question. I didn't provide the answer.
You seem pretty confident in your understanding of the financial impact, so why don't you share some data that we can all have a look at?
"There is zero net positive economic revenue that would be lost beyond the amount of subsidies given to the horsemen."
Today, track open $1000 in govt subsidy $1000 to horsemen in purses $500 to local businesses
Track closed $0 subsidy $0 to horsemen $0 to local businesses
That isn't net zero. That is net $500 loss
Do you think that $1000 just materializes out of thin air? Will the people who are making money servicing horseman just stop working because the government subsidy isn't there?
No. Anyone who has enough unique skills will either move to a place that provides income for their skills, or they will need to find other work that pays them.
Speaking of providing numbers, can you show that $1000 in purse subsidies directly translates to $500 to local businesses?
There are reams of data dispelling the notion of economic impact for subsidies.
As for specific data regarding economic impact in podunk Canadian towns, there isn't any because no economist in their right mind would ever study such a thing. If you'd like an analog study, I'm sure I can find plenty.
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Do you think that $1000 just materializes out of thin air? Will the people who are making money servicing horseman just stop working because the government subsidy isn't there? **** The person who is grooming the track. The person who is selling tickets. Yes, if the track closes, they will stop working. It is a matter of, for how long. No, the ferrier won't stop working, but you can bet your last dollar, his income is going to be reduced. ****
No. Anyone who has enough unique skills will either move to a place that provides income for their skills, or they will need to find other work that pays them. **** And how many of the support people have "unique" skills. We're not talking about the affect on a lawyer or accountant. We're talking about a real affect on the small shop owner and the minimum wage person working at the track. Those folks don't necessarily find a new job the next day or month. ****
Speaking of providing numbers, can you show that $1000 in purse subsidies directly translates to $500 to local businesses? I was presenting it as an argument. Not sure if it is 500, 45 or 4500, but for sure it isn't zero as you presented.
There are reams of data dispelling the notion of economic impact for subsidies. *** The internet is a big place. If I look long enough I can find reams of data supporting the reverse. I'd start with any union involved in the business getting the subsidy. I'm sure they will have pounds of paper to support why the business needs to stay open. *****
As for specific data regarding economic impact in podunk Canadian towns, there isn't any because no economist in their right mind would ever study such a thing. If you'd like an analog study, I'm sure I can find plenty. **** But we are talking about small town tracks. We aren't talking about GM in Detroit. How has it worked out in the USA in all those towns where steel mills closed down. They went from bustling communities with folks making money to boarded up main streets and folks on welfare. ***
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Do you think that $1000 just materializes out of thin air? Will the people who are making money servicing horseman just stop working because the government subsidy isn't there? **** The person who is grooming the track. The person who is selling tickets. Yes, if the track closes, they will stop working. It is a matter of, for how long. No, the ferrier won't stop working, but you can bet your last dollar, his income is going to be reduced. ****
No. Anyone who has enough unique skills will either move to a place that provides income for their skills, or they will need to find other work that pays them. **** And how many of the support people have "unique" skills. We're not talking about the affect on a lawyer or accountant. We're talking about a real affect on the small shop owner and the minimum wage person working at the track. Those folks don't necessarily find a new job the next day or month. ****
Speaking of providing numbers, can you show that $1000 in purse subsidies directly translates to $500 to local businesses? I was presenting it as an argument. Not sure if it is 500, 45 or 4500, but for sure it isn't zero as you presented.
There are reams of data dispelling the notion of economic impact for subsidies. *** The internet is a big place. If I look long enough I can find reams of data supporting the reverse. I'd start with any union involved in the business getting the subsidy. I'm sure they will have pounds of paper to support why the business needs to stay open. *****
As for specific data regarding economic impact in podunk Canadian towns, there isn't any because no economist in their right mind would ever study such a thing. If you'd like an analog study, I'm sure I can find plenty. **** But we are talking about small town tracks. We aren't talking about GM in Detroit. How has it worked out in the USA in all those towns where steel mills closed down. They went from bustling communities with folks making money to boarded up main streets and folks on welfare. ***
Slim Shitty,
You should stick to being a racist and a xenophobe.
This Economics stuff is far beyond your abilities.
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Belmont .... The idea isn't to tell someone they are wrong. The idea is to disprove something they have said with facts or data.
Let's start slow ..... "There is zero net positive economic revenue that would be lost beyond the amount of subsidies given to the horsemen." That was posted as part of this debate.
I believe there is benefit to a community over and above the subsidies. As an example, on my way to the track I stop and buy a coffee at Tims and gas at the local esso. After the races, my wife and I stopped in for dinner at a local restaurant. That is economic revenue put into the community, over and above the subsidy going to the horsemen.
Does your college graduated brain tell you there is zero benefit or some benefit, and use that same college brain to come up with a comment to support your answer??
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"just taken your dollars from one town to another."
Not dollar for dollar.
If I'm not going to the track, but staying home :
- I don't have to buy gas
- I don't buy timmies
- I spend $6 on a home cooked meal vs $20 at the restaurant
And for the record, this was never a debate about the province. This was a conversation about the damage shutting down a track would have on the "local" community.
I asked the question ... "How much money Clinton racing adds to the local economy, over and above handle, is certainly worth a conversation."
And if it's not worth a conversation, then don't respond.
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Belmont .... The idea isn't to tell someone they are wrong. The idea is to disprove something they have said with facts or data.
Let's start slow ..... "There is zero net positive economic revenue that would be lost beyond the amount of subsidies given to the horsemen." That was posted as part of this debate.
I believe there is benefit to a community over and above the subsidies. As an example, on my way to the track I stop and buy a coffee at Tims and gas at the local esso. After the races, my wife and I stopped in for dinner at a local restaurant. That is economic revenue put into the community, over and above the subsidy going to the horsemen.
Does your college graduated brain tell you there is zero benefit or some benefit, and use that same college brain to come up with a comment to support your answer??
Okay so look at it like this. In scientific experiments, you always have a hypothesis and a null hypothesis.
Let say I believe this is true:
There is not a significant economic benefit to provide purse subsidies to local economics.
The null hypothesis would be: There is a significant economic benefit to provide purse subsidies to local economics.
So, if the null hypothesis is true, that means money put in would be generating a significant economic benefit.
If this is true, why not increase the purse subsidies? Suppose $1000 added to purses results in $1500 in net economic stimulation? It would be stupid to not put as much money into the subsidized purses as possible.
Why isn't it done? Because there isn't much NET economic stimulus. No one is suggesting there is zero economic stimulus. It's just that it's not beyond the amount being subsidized--thus making it a losing proposition for taxpayers.
Look at any publicly funded (subsidized) stadium project. A majority, if not all, of the data shows the local economies will never generate the amount that was given to the stadium projects. Same goes for the Olympics.
To keep it simple, a famous apocryphal economics lesson goes something like this: A man is at a dinner speaking about a great new jobs program where men will dig out a canal with shovels. The canal will create many jobs to employ many people so it has to be good. An economist at the dinner replies,
"If you want [to create] jobs, then give these workers spoons instead of shovels.
This quote illustrates that you can argue job creation for a lot of meaningless acts.
Hope this helps!
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"Look at any publicly funded (subsidized) stadium project. A majority, if not all, of the data shows the local economies will never generate the amount that was given to the stadium projects."
Here is a comment about the recent deal to build a new arena in Calgary .....
There has been extensive debate about the return on investment for the city, and council heard on Tuesday that over the course of the 35-years of the deal, the city would net -0.6 per cent with direct returns, and 1.4 per cent when indirect benefits are considered.
And none of the construction workers will be using spoons.
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No offense slim shady but give it up. NOBODY cares about 75 percent of US and Candian tracks. Why do you think WHORESMEN deserve free money?
He’s one with a good grasp on the tit
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Belmont ... Another punk behind a keyboard. Love to see you show your face at a racetrack near you and call someone a Whoresman!!
However, I agree there isn't enough interest to keep the industry alive long term.
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Belmont ... Another punk behind a keyboard. Love to see you show your face at a racetrack near you and call someone a Whoresman!!
However, I agree there isn't enough interest to keep the industry alive long term.
Sit down and be quiet.
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Wiggles ..... I've had a job non stop for over 40 years. I've never been on welfare or drawn unemployment insurance. I've owned 6 horses and at the very best have broken even.
I think you're accusing the wrong guy of having a grasp on the tit.
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Saturday August 31
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $39,300
Total Handle: $25,061
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $49,000
Total Handle: $24,725
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $40,200
Total Handle: $32,132
Families had fun
Someone bought a bag of feed
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Sunday September 1
Clinton Raceway
Total Purse: $134,200
Total Handle: $67,417
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $44,600
Total Handle: $40,167
62za.clp
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Saturday September 7
Flamboro Downs
Total Purse: $62,700
Total Handle: $100,594
holding their own, chained up doors and no fucking kids allowed
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $40,300
Total Handle: $24,801
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $51,900
Total Handle: $29,594
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $39,100
Total Handle: $28,401
when do they board these shitholes up for the winter?
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Sunday September 8
Flamboro Downs
Total Purse: $70,700
Total Handle: $159,764
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $45,300
Total Handle: $38,480
:1
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Think of the smaller tracks the same way you do minor league teams in hockey and baseball.
None of them make money, so they are all financially supported by the major leagues, who need a steady flow of players that are ready for the bigs.
If you let Hanover and Hiawatha and Kawartha and Flamboro all go under, where are the horses coming from to fill cards at Mohawk??
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Think of the smaller tracks the same way you do minor league teams in hockey and baseball.
None of them make money, so they are all financially supported by the major leagues, who need a steady flow of players that are ready for the bigs.
If you let Hanover and Hiawatha and Kawartha and Flamboro all go under, where are the horses coming from to fill cards at Mohawk??
ngc3
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How much longer can this go on for these whoresmen. NO other business operates this way.
Of course we know you are just kidding right. The tax breaks & bailouts & subsidies to large companies on a yearly basis far exceed anything that horse racing receives.
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What do you find so funny Wiggles?
Why don't you just answer the question .... Where would the horses come from if all you had was Mohawk? Or are you of the opinion that SB racing should just end completely??
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Who cares where they come from when you do the math on these non woodbine mohawk races they need to close add in the takeout and they are losing 7x what they are getting. How is that in any equation good?
Keeps a lot of hard working uneducated people from drawing poggy? A good investment.
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Keeps a lot of hard working uneducated people from drawing poggy? A good investment.
where are these people working from november until may?
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"where are these people working from november until may?"
Some have horses that will run at Mohawk during the winter when the top 20% are given a rest.
Some of them take care of the horses that aren't running in the winter. They still eat and shit.
Some of them go to Florida with bigger operations to break and train down 2 year olds.
And I'm sure some do collect UI.
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"Who cares where they come from"
WEG cares where they come from. Shortage of quality horses is a big problem for tracks.
No horses, no wagering, no future.
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Maybe get educated or realize harness is a dead sport and find another skill and stop sucking off everyone's teats..The world evolves...like it or not. OBVIOUSLY many are extremely hard working ppl that can do other industries well.
And right now some of the world is evolving around the great sport of harness racing whether you like it or not.
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explain.. "great" sport of harness racing? really? if it is so great why does nobody bet it? tbreds 10x the amount wagered. The sport of harness racing has died very quickly whether you like it or not. I wish it did not but realistically it did
Great in my eyes. Obviously not yours & I can understand that.
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Saturday September 14
Flamboro Downs
Total Purse: $64,000
Total Handle: $102,472
Hanover Raceway
Total Purse: $112,900
Total Handle: $29,591
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $53,300
Total Handle: $27,688
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $39,550
Total Handle: $29,153
11.wj
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Sunday September 15
Flamboro Downs
Total Purse: $70,700
Total Handle: $206,654
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $44,300
Total Handle: $42,219
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Saturday September 21
Hiawatha Horse Park
Total Purse: $52,800
Total Handle: $28,686
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $39,300
Total Handle: $26,234
Flamboro Downs
Total Purse: $71,900
Total Handle: $126,616
:1
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Saturday September 28
Kawartha Downs
Total Purse: $39,600
Total Handle: $38,770
No Kids Allowed Downs
Total Purse: $61,800
Total Handle: $120,908
and check out this shit hole
Exhibition Park Raceway
Total Purse: $7,150
Total Handle: $1,783
11.wj
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http://standardbredcanada.ca/news/9-30-19/optimism-kawarthas-future.html
"I see the potential for growth in the summer months, possibly going to two races (per week)," Valente continued. "The other strategy is to carry on the calendar further into the fall."
WHY?????
your handle doesn't meet your purse payout every race night of 2019!
yet you want to race twice a week next year?
who runs this asylum?
ngc3
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Sunday September 29
Leamington Raceway
Total Purse: $44,200
Total Handle: $29,356
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