Does The Tri At Yonkers 2nd Race Seem Like A Low Payout ?

[makingit]

Tonight (02/17/21) Tri Payout $1700.
Three favorite finished out of the money.
Winner 50/1   Place  18/1  Show 3/1

Last Night At Yonkers Race  8 Tri Payout $8200.
Win  33/1  Place  14 / 1  Show the favorite

Last Night    Tri Payout $1100.
Win  35 /1   Place co favorite  Show  the favorite

Just seems like tonight with all three favorites finishing off the board the Tri should have paid like last night's 8th Race or even more ?

[PIGLAND]

you need to ask george breenan he is in charge of wagering

[makingit]

Seems like the 8 Horse owned trained and driven by the Strattons knew what he was there for and took the lead and never looked back. Maybe they told too many friends that the horse was ready willing and able and too many bettors put him on top. Just seems strange that the night before the Tri paid $8 K and even had the favorite in the top three ?

[HornbyDuke]

8 on top too. Something funky here. But, the apologists all say races not fixed because pools so low now. 

That is bullshit. Tax free $ to some if fixed here. Only need 2 $1 tri tickets at price to get a decent envelope for 8 people. Combine it with a $5 double, a $5 exacta and early p3. Cha-ching.

Yonkers unplayable. State disgrace.

[makingit]

Favorite was a breaker too. You may be on to something. Just seems strange when compared to the two races the night before and the wide difference in payouts especially when tonight the top three favorite were off the board and the payout was less than when the favorites were on the board?

[HornbyDuke]

I've watched races several nights a week since the late 90s. Not saying i'm a better handicapper than anyone just seen a lot. Most the ones that look funky to me the ultimate longshot winner goes straight to the top. This keeps that horse out of potential trouble with knucklehead drivers, breakers etc.

I didn't watch the race but payout on tri at least is funky. Why do I think drivers might due this for maybe a grand or 2 envelope. Because they can - there's zero oversight at some tracks. No desire to pursue cheaters or invest $ to do it right See the michigan tale at hazel park. This way more than anything, way more than juicing, has destroyed harness pools.

I have a lot of friends that bet big on thoroughbreds but won't touch harness except as a gambling lark. This is the reason.

Even a couple g a week adds up to $100 k tax free. In real world, a lot of 8 hr a day professionals be happy with that as NET annual income.

As the Meadowlands legend the rabbi would say WISE UP.

[Brown jug]

you cant compare different races
each race is its own individual event
payoffs are based on what is bet by other bettors
yes the horse paid 50 to 1 but is that really that much different than 33 to 1, both clearly long shots
perhaps in this race the people playing the 8 rather than betting him to win played that money is triactors and exactors
you say it is a low payout but based on what? the win price alone, that is only on e of many ways people can wager on that horse to win
not suggesting the insiders didn't bet him but they did so in exotics rather than show it in the win pool
and please, don't tell me it doesn't happen in tbreds, it does but their pools are bigger so it is hidden

[HornbyDuke]

you cant compare different races
each race is its own individual event
payoffs are based on what is bet by other bettors
yes the horse paid 50 to 1 but is that really that much different than 33 to 1, both clearly long shots
perhaps in this race the people playing the 8 rather than betting him to win played that money is triactors and exactors
you say it is a low payout but based on what? the win price alone, that is only on e of many ways people can wager on that horse to win
not suggesting the insiders didn't bet him but they did so in exotics rather than show it in the win pool
and please, don't tell me it doesn't happen in tbreds, it does but their pools are bigger so it is hidden

8 was 20 to 1 ml. Lot of 8 horses at 20-1 ml win at Yonkers?  This triple was big underlay. Forget the bullshit double talk Tim.

[hunglikeachandelier]

Take a look at this matrix....some funky betting.


1 -  7/2  Hot Summer Knight
2 -   18   Fiji
3 -    6   Stealing
4 -    4   Winneress
5 -  3/5  Conquest As
6 -   50   Skyway Tinacious
7 -   65   Torkil
8 -   47   Lucky Arnold


with   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8
1   -   42   22   13   19   106   438   190
2   83   -   114   81   88   270   630   221
3   24   58   -   18   26   105   242   62
4   12   44   15   -   10   71   201   47
5   10   27   14   7   -   51   128   74
6   213   236   203   118   155   -   445   403
7   797   671   465   617   452   393   -   431
8   297   408   78   67   225   687   503

[HornbyDuke]

1 out of the $ too with buter . At half mile tracks the philosophy is half to use 1 in tris. Funky!

[chief yogi]

does strike me as a little funny. drivers race. needed toll money to get home.

[hunglikeachandelier]

Not a ton of money in the pool but 8/34 and 34/8 bet strong.

[HornbyDuke]

Ur 100 % right. Funky. A lot people say cant compare races but that's not true. Bettors have a feel for what historical payouts are. What typical payoffs are.  Id be shocked how many 20-1 ml horses in the 8 post at Yonkers get to the top let alone win. Any in the past 10 yrs?  And, to get played so heavy in triple. Fuggetabout it! Funky and all the double talk bulkshit is just knucklehead chatter.

Difference with thoroughbreds is not as easy to fix. More money also not the need to fix to survive for many. And driver community I'm told not as likely to all or most buy in. But, yes, does go on there too.

Turn the page disgrace of a track.Never should have been resurrected.

[Wendall Tilley]

Simple solution, stop betting.Go play the stock market, it's on the up and up.Choose your own destiny.

[ferdinand the bull]

Is anyone surprised