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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LUCPARK on February 29, 2020, 03:37:57 PM
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http://ustrottingnews.com/thestable-ca-records-first-international-victory/
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sorry but amac can drive circles around darren mcall was a truck driver in canada went broke and moved back to aussie land
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the only reason this horse won is because AM has nothing to do with the training and more important he did not drive.
DONT BE A HATER
GUY HAS DONE WELL SINCE HE DROPPPED A FEW BAD HORSES AND OWNERS
HE HAS 85 OR SO HORSES
SOMEBODY SEEMS TO TRUST AND LIKE HIM
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Here's another good race from last night down there. NZ horse Bettor's Heart gets a shitty run and flies home to get up on line and an invitation into their Miracle Mile next week.
http://www.harnesslink.com/International/Bettors-Heart-claims-Miracle-Mile-start
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Anthony is scum,he is a crook and a Trudeau supporter,don't say the word " mankind" around either one of them,they will be offended
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Newest, biggest scam in our industry. Lines his pockets. Look at his earnings from racing, don't think he could live on his 5%. Can't drive, can´t train but has a great line of shit and the usta and cta keep giving him great press.
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Anyone else notice that on TheStable website they do not post any stats ? Number of winners? Starts? UTRS? Can’t find it anywhere that should be a major red flag for any one thinking of buying a share
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Anyone else notice that on TheStable website they do not post any stats ? Number of winners? Starts? UTRS? Can’t find it anywhere that should be a major red flag for any one thinking of buying a share
lol
nor do they post sample bills for horses racing
which is 5k a month. for a maiden.
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5k a month for the horse sent to Harris and Twaddle or all?
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5k a month for the horse sent to Harris and Twaddle or all?
thats about right tmbz1
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What is the average earnings of the yearlings they started
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actually has about 130 horses.......care to guess how many will cover their expenses this year.....over/under 5
Same statement can be held to any of the top trainers...…
How much do you think a Burke horse has to make to cover costs ? ?
Look at Northfield program on Tuesday and Wednesday.... Even going for good purses, a small percentage of horses could ever come out ahead. Goes for nearly every track..... Break should be a goal of every owner.
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Burke will definitely have more than 5 horses make money and also he goes off like 6 to 5 in stake events rather than 99 to 1 And burkehor rces with real breedingthe horses the stable bought this year have no breeding at all
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Is it sustainable much longer if just a very small percentage are actually making money or do the trainers make enough to carry it
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Is it sustainable much longer if just a very small percentage are actually making money or do the trainers make enough to carry it
Like any other Pyramid scheme it's only sustain a ball for him to keep bringing in new people
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The point wasn't that Burke wouldn't have no more than 5 horses make money,,,, The point is what percentage of a big stable horses don't make money.....
Not picking on Burke -- obviously the man is heads and tails above 98% of trainers. but would it be safe to say a horse needs to make $60k to clear a profit ?
Training - shipping - stall rent - vet - shoe - paddocks - misc - 5% to Trainer - 5% to driver
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The point wasn't that Burke wouldn't have no more than 5 horses make money,,,, The point is what percentage of a big stable horses don't make money.....
Not picking on Burke -- obviously the man is heads and tails above 98% of trainers. but would it be safe to say a horse needs to make $60k to clear a profit ?
Training - shipping - stall rent - vet - shoe - paddocks - misc - 5% to Trainer - 5% to driver
The point is also you should buy 60 poorly bred babies and charge the highest training Bill's in the country then act like you are doing the sport a favor
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the point stop fckin cryin
if you cant or dont want to take a risk and buy a few babies,,AKA what u can afford be prepared to lose money..
if a person knows pretty much within a few bucks what a trainer charges a month than its up to the person if he wants to buy a horse or 88 horse with that trainer...
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if you spend 60 k on a so called poorly bred baby than the
Mirror is for you...if you let others pick out your babies and you dont want to do you homework on sale books and videos than its
your fault stop blamin,,burke, ,,anthony etc etc etc
THE FCKIN MIRROR WILL NEVER LIE,,
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BUT MY THEORY HOLDS TRUE TO EVERY VENUE..
know the trainers bills before u jump in,,
if you jump in and lose ,,buying shitty babies ,,betting like a CHOOCH
always blaming others
THAN ,,,
WALMART HAS A SALE ON MIRRORS THE MRROR WILL NEVER LIE TO YOU
YOU FCKED UP AND WANT TO BLAME OTHERS CUS U BOUGHT A BAD HORSE
,,WITH THAT SAID
ANTHONY GOOD LUCK ,,ALL YR WITH YOUR STABLE tmbz1
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Just a comment
As for over / under 5 horses covering their cost in 2020
I will gladly take any wagers and I am betting on over 5
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The point is also you should buy 60 poorly bred babies and charge the highest training Bill's in the country then act like you are doing the sport a favor
Must get a kickback from breeders
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If you own a private business you don't have to disclose anything other than your sales and taxes and employee benefits to the government. But when you have a public investment business like Anthony has everything must be disclosed with regards to what was paid for said horses and what are the everyday bills for said horses that the clients invest in. But from what I hear and was told by former clients Anthony takes non-disclosure to new heights and to this I say lots of luck investors.
Purchases from sale are disclosed but questionable if inflated due to breeder kickbacks
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Again doesn't matter how many horses but let me ask this question. What trainer out there on March 1st with horses in their barn are paid in full 100%. My guess 90 something % or more. Of the 62 yearlings bought from Sept to Nov there are still 36 yearlings with open shares. Some might be other breeders. Of those 36...28 of those have 50% or more open shares. There is not one sane trainer that would go 4 full months and into March staking seasons with that much inventory not paid in full. He has a big check to write in 10 days and has to plead to have monthly bills with those stake payments paid by March 15 not March 31. I don't see how this is running a successful stable? The unsold shares will go up reflecting stake payments for March meaning the unsold horses have a higher price tag for clients to shy away from. This will not end well over the next few months if the horses don't show promise as those bills tack on costing more and more with time training down.
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AM talking to himself before the yearling sales:
Lets see Anthony, I have about $1M to spend on yearlings so should I buy 20 yearlings, nicely bred for $50K each or should I spend the $1M on about 60 yearlings? How many people do I know that would let me pick out a $50K yearling, train it, and maybe if I am lucky let me drive...I can only think of 3 and 2 are in an insane asylum....that won't work.
I have an idea let me buy 60 yearlings as most people can afford the $150.00-$200.00 investment so they can tell their friends they own part of a racehorse. At the same time I will make 3x the money, blow smoke at them as to how great they all are and at 1% who is going to complain not to mention I will never let anyone know who else owns the other 99%. Come March 1 I have made alot of money, I will then stake every horse somewhere (since its not my money) and that buys me another 3-4 months and then I can feed them the line about the knees not being closed, needs to mature, or use one of my many other excuses which they will buy since owners want to hear good news. Come September I can start this all over again...man am I smart...PT Barnum was right, there is a sucker born every minute.
Should I luck out and get a good horse I can send them to a real trainer in the USA, keep it in the stable, collect my $4000 a month and pay a real trainer $3000 a month and take the credit when and if a horse does well.
Is it too late to get nominated for TIME magazine Man of the Year????
You're going to make it as a impressionist
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the point stop fckin cryin
if you cant or dont want to take a risk and buy a few babies,,AKA what u can afford be prepared to lose money..
if a person knows pretty much within a few bucks what a trainer charges a month than its up to the person if he wants to buy a horse or 88 horse with that trainer...
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if you spend 60 k on a so called poorly bred baby than the
Mirror is for you...if you let others pick out your babies and you dont want to do you homework on sale books and videos than its
your fault stop blamin,,burke, ,,anthony etc etc etc
THE FCKIN MIRROR WILL NEVER LIE,,
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BUT MY THEORY HOLDS TRUE TO EVERY VENUE..
know the trainers bills before u jump in,,
if you jump in and lose ,,buying shitty babies ,,betting like a CHOOCH
always blaming others
THAN ,,,
WALMART HAS A SALE ON MIRRORS THE MRROR WILL NEVER LIE TO YOU
YOU FCKED UP AND WANT TO BLAME OTHERS CUS U BOUGHT A BAD HORSE
,,WITH THAT SAID
ANTHONY GOOD LUCK ,,ALL YR WITH YOUR STABLE tmbz1
who are u talking to?
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AM talking to himself before the yearling sales:
Lets see Anthony, I have about $1M to spend on yearlings so should I buy 20 yearlings, nicely bred for $50K each or should I spend the $1M on about 60 yearlings? How many people do I know that would let me pick out a $50K yearling, train it, and maybe if I am lucky let me drive...I can only think of 3 and 2 are in an insane asylum....that won't work.
I have an idea let me buy 60 yearlings as most people can afford the $150.00-$200.00 investment so they can tell their friends they own part of a racehorse. At the same time I will make 3x the money, blow smoke at them as to how great they all are and at 1% who is going to complain not to mention I will never let anyone know who else owns the other 99%. Come March 1 I have made alot of money, I will then stake every horse somewhere (since its not my money) and that buys me another 3-4 months and then I can feed them the line about the knees not being closed, needs to mature, or use one of my many other excuses which they will buy since owners want to hear good news. Come September I can start this all over again...man am I smart...PT Barnum was right, there is a sucker born every minute.
Should I luck out and get a good horse I can send them to a real trainer in the USA, keep it in the stable, collect my $4000 a month and pay a real trainer $3000 a month and take the credit when and if a horse does well.
Is it too late to get nominated for TIME magazine Man of the Year????
ding ding ding
the selfish thing...60 bad yearlings over 20 good ones...
more money for his pokets...
a "better chance" one will pan out since he has 60 instead of 20.
and worst of all...excuses when they dont work out...."oh they were only a 15k yearling"
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i know you arent talking about me luc...
if you are, just remember I warned you to keep my name out of your mouth, dont forget that...
youve been warned again.
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and by the way that doesnt go for the rest of you...
you are all welcome to critize, point out, etc...
but use facts to do so and its all good...
debate away, but dont come with nonsesne (luc, calhoon)...
nonsense is not apprecaited and will be dealt with accordingly
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i know you arent talking about me luc...
if you are, just remember I warned you to keep my name out of your mouth, dont forget that...
youve been warned again.
YOU GONNA FLATTEN HIM?
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YOU GONNA FLATTEN HIM?
i will...
i saw him 2 sales ago at the meadowlands and told him to his face how i felt.
you should have seen the fear in his eyes ngc3 ngc3
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he had shut the fuck up for a while but since he skipped the last sale he must have forgetton....
so now he has been warned again
i dont respond kindly to dumbass people who know nothing but think they do (luc, calhoon)
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he had shut the fuck up for a while but since he skipped the last sale he must have forgetton....
so now he has been warned again
i dont respond kindly to dumbass people who know nothing but think they do (luc, calhoon)
CALPOON AGREED
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"Just when I think I'm out they pull me back in"
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YOU GONNA FLATTEN HIM?
EDWARD.
When anyone buys bad horses it’s easy to blame the trainer.
eating them is what you do without bitchin
I blame myself when I buy bad babies
I bought three this yr aren’t worth much imho I’m stuck 100k in baby game so far this yr Mine prob won’t make track that’s a lot for me
I can’t blame my trainer THATS THE EASY OUT
IM BLAMING ME Anthony Mac has been blamed for a lot on here
I disagree with most about him
He’s ok
Anyone who buys bad horses just look in the mirror blame yourself
Bills to high. Etc etc etc are excuses
And yes I don’t come to last sale it was garbage.
Nothin bought there AS BEEN anything
And only reason to come to last summer sale waS to buy
RNT
BACK AND I DIDNT GET MY PRICE
Bigm sales have been shit for last three yrs
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EDWARD.
When anyone buys bad horses it’s easy to blame the trainer.
eating them is what you do without bitchin
I blame myself when I buy bad babies
I bought three this yr aren’t worth much imho I’m stuck 100k in baby game so far this yr Mine prob won’t make track that’s a lot for me
I can’t blame my trainer THATS THE EASY OUT
IM BLAMING ME Anthony Mac has been blamed for a lot on here
I disagree with most about him
He’s ok
Anyone who buys bad horses just look in the mirror blame yourself
Bills to high. Etc etc etc are excuses
And yes I don’t come to last sale it was garbage.
Nothin bought there AS BEEN anything
And only reason to come to last summer sale waS to buy
RNT
BACK AND I DIDNT GET MY PRICE
Bigm sales have been shit for last three yrs
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT GUY?
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only morons will compare things that arent alike and use that for an arguement...
how does you buying 3 nice babies and them not working have anythig to do with someone buying 60 not nice babies?
apples and oranges
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only morons will compare things that arent alike and use that for an arguement...
how does you buying 3 nice babies and them not working have anythig to do with someone buying 60 not nice babies?
apples and oranges
YOUR CHANCES OF BUYING A RAT ARE ABOUT THE SAME ANYWHERE
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YOUR CHANCES OF BUYING A RAT ARE ABOUT THE SAME ANYWHERE
99.9 of babys are rats
bridage buys 100 ,erv buys 75 brown buys 75
and 7 percent make the originalmake money if lucky..
the over night game sucks cant make any money
and now bridgade went personally to aussie and zealand and came back with 35 over night race horses
so how u gonna beat him at gib and other east coast racetrack this comin summer and fall..
so taking a chance on a baby ,mit eb e th only way
99 percent failure gurantteed
ed..
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for the record ANTHONYS BILLS ARENT SHIT
COMPARED TO OTHERS ..
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99.9 of babys are rats
bridage buys 100 ,erv buys 75 brown buys 75
and 7 percent make the originalmake money if lucky..
the over night game sucks cant make any money
and now bridgade went personally to aussie and zealand and came back with 35 over night race horses
so how u gonna beat him at gib and other east coast racetrack this comin summer and fall..
so taking a chance on a baby ,mit eb e th only way
99 percent failure gurantteed
ed..
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for the record ANTHONYS BILLS ARENT SHIT
COMPARED TO OTHERS ..
you are a fish
keep telling yourself you cant make money with overnights...
the real answer is YOU cant make money with overnights...dont generalize that others cant
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FACT.....AM bills are higher than Harris.....I have seen both
IVE SEEN THEM BOTH ALSO ABOUT THE SAME WHEN U ADD IN SHIPPING SHOES AND VETS
PLUS TURN OUTS
UNLESS SICKHORSE OR SOMETHIN OUT OF THE ORDINARY
HARRIS HAS BETTER STOCK,,
DONT FORGET THAT
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you are a fish
keep telling yourself you cant make money with overnights...
the real answer is YOU cant make money with overnights...dont generalize that others cant
HE ONLY BUYS STAKE HORSES
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HE ONLY BUYS STAKE HORSES
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TRY ,,BIG WORD TRY TO BUY SIRES
THIS YR GONNA BE A LONG YR
HOPEFULLY
RGF COMES BACK TO LAST SUMMER FORM
, MY 2 3 YR OLDS IFFY
MY 3 BABIES ,,NOT MUCH
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IVE SEEN THEM BOTH ALSO ABOUT THE SAME WHEN U ADD IN SHIPPING SHOES AND VETS
PLUS TURN OUTS
UNLESS SICKHORSE OR SOMETHIN OUT OF THE ORDINARY
HARRIS HAS BETTER STOCK,,
DONT FORGET THAT
this right here points out why you need to just keep your mouth shut..
harris and mcdonald train the same horse...so here is why you CAN use them for comparison
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this right here points out why you need to just keep your mouth shut..
harris and mcdonald train the same horse...so here is why you CAN use them for comparison
HE SED THEY WERE ABOUT THE SAME
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HE SED THEY WERE ABOUT THE SAME
EDWARD ,,IMOUT
GOING TO DONATE MONEY AT HAWTHORNE
SEE U AT LAKE ST MARY FL
REALLY REALLY SOON LIKE INA WEEK,
STOPPIN BY TERMS PLACE THEN JUST CHILLIN
IN ORLANDO
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EDWARD ,,IMOUT
GOING TO DONATE MONEY AT HAWTHORNE
SEE U AT LAKE ST MARY FL
REALLY REALLY SOON LIKE INA WEEK,
STOPPIN BY TERMS PLACE THEN JUST CHILLIN
IN ORLANDO
MAYBE JOE SHOWS UP TOO tmbz1
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I'm waiting when this all blows up this year everyone from WEG, SC and USTA will be running and hiding after all their promotion of a Ponzi scheme.
at this point its publicity
any publicity is good publicity
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i dont respond kindly to dumbass people who know nothing but think they do (luc, calhoon)
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Son,
I would wipe the floor with your ugly, smelly, roid-raged, pimple faced ass. 1,001 fucking percent.
You're just a daddy money, born on 3rd base loser Heeb scared of the day Pops cuts your stink-ass off.
Take 10 showers and get back to us.
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Son,
I would wipe the floor with your ugly, smelly, roid-raged, pimple faced ass. 1,001 fucking percent.
You're just a daddy money, born on 3rd base loser Heeb scared of the day Pops cuts your stink-ass off.
Take 10 showers and get back to us.
10 SHOWERS? ngc3 ngc3
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Son,
I would wipe the floor with your ugly, smelly, roid-raged, pimple faced ass. 1,001 fucking percent.
You're just a daddy money, born on 3rd base loser Heeb scared of the day Pops cuts your stink-ass off.
Take 10 showers and get back to us.
come say that to my face and lets see if you will say that again after
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come say that to my face and lets see if you will say that again after
PurpleNosePicks.. ..WHY U WANNA FIGHT ERRYBODY?
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PurpleNosePicks....WHY U WANNA FIGHT ERRYBODY?
not everybody.
just luc and calhoun.
but not luc anymore. he learned his lesson
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not everybody.
just luc and calhoun.
but not luc anymore. he learned his lesson
YOU TUNED HIM UP?
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YOU TUNED HIM UP?
i told him i didnt appreciate his comments.
face to face.
well his face was alot lower than mine
and it started cowering...
but hes been singing a different tune since
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Calpoon must be some tuff guy goes around threatening people. Wow what a way to go through life. Miserable, poor, and hateful. Maybe the Democrat party can get him a handout or if Bernie gets elected Calpoon may get 15hr for staying home from the socialist
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Calpoon must be some tuff guy goes around threatening people. Wow what a way to go through life. Miserable, poor, and hateful. Maybe the Democrat party can get him a handout or if Bernie gets elected Calpoon may get 15hr for staying home from the socialist
he hasnt threatened me yet...i think he knows better
but he calls me untrue things because he is ignorant, and that gets me mad enough to confront him and let him know that the lies and misinformation needs to stop
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i told him i didnt appreciate his comments.
face to face.
well his face was alot lower than mine
and it started cowering...
but hes been singing a different tune since
HE HAS GOONS
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HE HAS GOONS
i seriously doubt that
you have to have money or personality to have goons
something tells me he has neither
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come say that to my face and lets see if you will say that again after
Which part of what I said is not true?
BTW,
I'll fight you on one foot with one hand behind my back and with my eyes closed.
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10 SHOWERS? ngc3 ngc3
You ever seen the guy?
10 Minimum
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Which part of what I said is not true?
BTW,
I'll fight you on one foot with one hand behind my back and with my eyes closed.
ill be at poconos tom. come say hi
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ill be at poconos tom. come say hi
IS THE SHOWER THING REAL?
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MAYBE JOE SHOWS UP TOO tmbz1
He’s back in pa.
This is a peaceful trip
Four days of doing nothin stopping at few training centers
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He’s back in pa.
This is a peaceful trip
Four days of doing nothin stopping at few training centers
PURPLENOSEPICKS MIGHT BE IN TOWN BUYING EXPENSIVE YEARLINGS
HOW MANY TRAINERS HAS HE HAD IN HIS LONG CAREER?
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Joe is at pocono,,,,no purple here
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THIS IS THE SOCIALIST FUTURE OF HARNY RACING. NEED MORE LIKE THEM
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Joe is at pocono,,,,no purple here
That's funny cause I was there guess you didn't see me in the winner's circle
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That's funny cause I was there guess you didn't see me in the winner's circle
JOE DONT LIE ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT
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That's funny cause I was there guess you didn't see me in the winner's circle
. Good win Joshua
How bout a 1000 bet. No playing
U list your five horses with your name on it
I will list my five with my name on it.
Most money earned in 2020 by all five combined
For 1000.
Friendly bet.
Joshua
No playing I will mail you the cash or you mail me. By Jan 1 of2021
Bet ?
No name calling just a simple bet for 1000
Yes or no
Simple bet your 5 horses against my five
Most money earned in 2020 combined total of all five
For 1000 simple bet
Your name has to be listed as owner. All yr on horses
Ok Joshua.
? Yes or no
Name your five horses
Ok
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. Good win Joshua
How bout a 1000 bet. No playing
U list your five horses with your name on it
I will list my five with my name on it.
Most money earned in 2020 by all five combined
For 1000.
Friendly bet.
Joshua
No playing I will mail you the cash or you mail me. By Jan 1 of2021
Bet ?
No name calling just a simple bet for 1000
Yes or no
Simple bet your 5 horses against my five
Most money earned in 2020 combined total of all five
For 1000 simple bet
Your name has to be listed as owner. All yr on horses
Ok Joshua.
? Yes or no
Name your five horses
Ok
no chance
you pay 100k for yours
i pay 10k for mine
how about return on investment?
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NO JUST MONEY EARNEDFOR 2020
SIMPLE MATH simple BET
YES OR NO
HERES MY 5
blood in blood out ,,unraced 3 yr old
frankiepark unraced 3 yr old
luc rocks,,2 yr old
baci baci 2 yr old
rockie got framed ..4 yr old
NAME YOUR FIVE..PURP
just bet
i will donate my grand if i win to
AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY..
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no chance
you pay 100k for yours
i pay 10k for mine
how about return on investment?
JOSHUA...THE HORSES DONT KNOW HOW MUCH THEY COST
IT'S A GOOD BET...JUST DO IT tmbz1
YOU GOTTA LIST THE HORSES HOWEVER...IS THIS POSSIBLE? ngc3
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God bless you Curly,I hope you are doing well tmbz1
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God bless you Curly,I hope you are doing well tmbz1
I’m doing well again finally Thk you tmbz1
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JOSHUA...THE HORSES DONT KNOW HOW MUCH THEY COST
IT'S A GOOD BET...JUST DO IT tmbz1
YOU GOTTA LIST THE HORSES HOWEVER...IS THIS POSSIBLE? ngc3
i have enough riding on the outcome of the stable already, not looking to riskmore
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i have enough riding on the outcome of the stable already, not looking to riskmore
ITS A QUICK GEE NOTE...WHATS A GEE NOTE AMONGST TWO SPORTING RACEHORSE OWNERS?...YOU CAN PAY THE FEED BILLS RIGHT?
IF YOU ONLY HAVE A HORSE AND A HALF, THEN FORGET IT.
DON'T CHICKEN OUT!!!! EASY MONEY DUDE.... tmbz1
THE GUY MIGHT BE OUTTA YOUR LEAGUE MAYBE....
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God bless you Curly,I hope you are doing well tmbz1
TY..GETTING FATTER BUT IM GOOD
YOUR A GREAT PAL tmbz1
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As soon as Anthony get a strong hold down under he will begin to conquer Europe.
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Quote from the website. "You might make money, but if that’s your primary motivation, we’re not for you"
I think this is the Whole story about being a Harness Horse Owner. Very Sad!!
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Quote from the website. "You might make money, but if that’s your primary motivation, we’re not for you"
I think this is the Whole story about being a Harness Horse Owner. Very Sad!!
HES BEING HONEST AND UPFRONT
tmbz1
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So the bottom line is, Harness Horse Owners basically make big time trainers rich and profitable.
When you are an Owner of a business, I think making money for the "OWNER" is first and foremost.
But not when your business is Harness Horse Owner. That is what makes this Very Sad!!
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I just like that he’s upfront
Horses usually don’t make money
Realizing this gives u better perspective
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Agree 100%
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Do you know what they charge per month for training on every 1% ownership?
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Was just saying making money on an investment is top priority. If you want the thrill of Harness Racing, go to the track in person. Why would all those people buy shares to just give their money away every month for Training, Vet, Shoes, Medicines etc...
Just seams like gofundme for the Macs.
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So what your saying is take a wad of 100's and put a match to it monthly.
YES BASICALLY
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HES BEING HONEST AND UPFRONT
tmbz1
Of course a scumbag, low life used cars salesman would admire the hubris.
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Of course a scumbag, low life used cars salesman would admire the hubris.
You don’t own horses you occasionally get on them ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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AM's daily rate is about $95 Canadian which is about $72 USD. To that you take on another $30 per day for incidentals (plus whatever else he can add to the bill) making his monthly nut at about $4000 Canadian or $3000 USD. This does not include trainer % and driver % which is close to zero since he rarely wins a race or even gets a check. AM still has only 1 win in 2020 but its not his fault
its is 3kus when they are not racing. when the horse is racing its up to 4500 us a month
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Thank You Golf & Purple.
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its is 3kus when they are not racing. when the horse is racing its up to 4500 us a month
according to their site - its Monthly fee is in Canadian, not US and its below:
Once you’ve purchased fractions of a horse(s), you’ll pay a monthly fee of $25.75 (plus HST) per 1% fraction you own, per month.
This monthly fee covers all of the horse’s daily expenses (food, shelter, bedding, care).
Incidentals
There may be additional costs, called incidentals. Incidentals include veterinary work, shipping to the racetrack and stake payments (to ensure your horse is eligible to compete in big races.) Incidentals vary, so there is no hard-and-fast number but we suggest clients budget an extra $8 per 1% fraction per month.
so Mr. Purple person, again not sure where you get your $3k US when they arent racing ? so unless the incidentals get run up, its clear and in writing that the fee is $2,575 Canadian for training per month ( which I might add is circa $1980 US per month).
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2500 to 3500
I’d about average when u had shipping vets. Shoes etc
When they racing
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according to their site - its Monthly fee is in Canadian, not US and its below:
Once you’ve purchased fractions of a horse(s), you’ll pay a monthly fee of $25.75 (plus HST) per 1% fraction you own, per month.
This monthly fee covers all of the horse’s daily expenses (food, shelter, bedding, care).
Incidentals
There may be additional costs, called incidentals. Incidentals include veterinary work, shipping to the racetrack and stake payments (to ensure your horse is eligible to compete in big races.) Incidentals vary, so there is no hard-and-fast number but we suggest clients budget an extra $8 per 1% fraction per month.
so Mr. Purple person, again not sure where you get your $3k US when they arent racing ? so unless the incidentals get run up, its clear and in writing that the fee is $2,575 Canadian for training per month ( which I might add is circa $1980 US per month).
Always plenty of incidentals..
But as I've been saying for years now, it's not the non racing expenses that are the issue, it's when they start racing
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Always plenty of incidentals..
But as I've been saying for years now, it's not the non racing expenses that are the issue, it's when they start racing
JOSH OBVSIOULY DONT LIKE HES BILLS U MOVED..
BUT WHATS THE BILLS ON WHEN THEY ARE RACING THATS BOTHER ING
SHIPPING
PADDOCKS
SHOES,,
VET
WHAT DIFFENRCE BILL DID U GET
BIKE RENTAL
EQUIPMENT RENTALS
WHAT .
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3 PERCENT TIP FOR GROOMS AND YOUR BILLS
?
WHAT
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JOSH OBVSIOULY DONT LIKE HES BILLS U MOVED..
BUT WHATS THE BILLS ON WHEN THEY ARE RACING THATS BOTHER ING
SHIPPING
PADDOCKS
SHOES,,
VET
WHAT DIFFENRCE BILL DID U GET
BIKE RENTAL
EQUIPMENT RENTALS
WHAT .
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3 PERCENT TIP FOR GROOMS AND YOUR BILLS
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WHAT
Lots of unnecessary equipment and shipping charges. Horses can share equipment. And shipping shouldn't cost 150 for a 30 minute ride, especially when the shipper is taking 4 from the same stable. I assure you the shipper didn't see the 600 dollars that the owners are being charged
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SHIPPIN SHOULD BE 75
100 MAX IF ITS SHORT
WHEATHER HE TAKES 4 OR 54 ITS NOT YOUR CALL
YOUR WRONG ON THAT
RENTAL EQUIPMENT IS HIS JUDGEMENT
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SO YOU WANNA TELL HIM WHAT EQUIPMENT IS NECESSARY AND WHATS NOT ngc3 ngc3
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I WOOOD HAVE GIVEN YOU 3 DAYS WITH ERV,,JULIE,,BURKE
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ANTHONY WORKS CHEAP
THOSE BILLS ARE NOTHIN
,,,LOOKS LIKE YOU LIKE TRAINERS WHO WORK ON DEALS
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SHIPPIN SHOULD BE 75
100 MAX IF ITS SHORT
WHEATHER HE TAKES 4 OR 54 ITS NOT YOUR CALL
YOUR WRONG ON THAT
RENTAL EQUIPMENT IS HIS JUDGEMENT
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SO YOU WANNA TELL HIM WHAT EQUIPMENT IS NECESSARY AND WHATS NOT ngc3 ngc3
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I WOOOD HAVE GIVEN YOU 3 DAYS WITH ERV,,JULIE,,BURKE
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ANTHONY WORKS CHEAP
THOSE BILLS ARE NOTHIN
,,,LOOKS LIKE YOU LIKE TRAINERS WHO WORK ON DEALS
looks like you are a fish as i suspected
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looks like you are a fish as i suspected
Any time you wanna. Make that bet for 1000
Just post your five horses
As I suspected.
Got no faith in your horses you seem to know everything about
Harness
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Any time you wanna. Make that bet for 1000
Just post your five horses
As I suspected.
Got no faith in your horses you seem to know everything about
Harness
i cant explain to you why you are a moron since you are a moron but here is my best try
lets look at zayat stables... he had american pharoah...and 4 other horses that made over 500k
he eneded up bankrupt
ergo...having horses make alot of money does not equal being a good owner or succesful one
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any time traffic becomes slow on this site , starting an Anthony MacDonald topic can never be a bad thing ..right Lucpark?
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i cant explain to you why you are a moron since you are a moron but here is my best try
lets look at zayat stables... he had american pharoah...and 4 other horses that made over 500k
he eneded up bankrupt
ergo...having horses make alot of money does not equal being a good owner or succesful one
Ok Joshua
U pick one horse of yours
I will pick one of mine
Rockie got framed
What’s yours horses name pic.
Joshua for grand
Yes or no
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any time traffic becomes slow on this site , starting an Anthony MacDonald topic can never be a bad thing ..right Lucpark?
IM PAID TO POST AND START INTERTESTING HARNESS INFO tmbz1 tmbz1
PS
I LIKE ANTHONY I THINK HES AN UP COMIN TRAINER TOP 20 IN THE COUNTRY tmbz1
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WHEN YOU 2 GETHORSES LIKE TONY ON A YEARLY BASIS,,,,COME BACK,,,,,TILL THEN PLZ STOP
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More Bullshit on here again, " I get paid to post ". ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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WHEN YOU 2 GETHORSES LIKE TONY ON A YEARLY BASIS,,,,COME BACK,,,,,TILL THEN PLZ STOP
WHATS UP JOEY MY BOY
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JOSHUA HATES ANTHONY I LIKE ANTHONY
WE JUST HAVE A DISAGREEMENT
TELL YOUR BOY
PHIL
tmbz1 tmbz1 ON FILLY
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This directed to therealdoctor where math is evidently not his strong suit. Monthly rate of $2600+ $800 incidentals plus whatever else they tack on and please do not forget the 13.5% Canadian tax that must be paid so at a minimum you are at $3800 without any other expenses. Discounting for USD, $3000 per month when they are not racing is good number to use.....a far cry from the $1980 you mentioned.
thanks for the math lesson but I was referring to the monthly rate part only sir - $2575 at a 30 cent dollar - $1980 - Mr. Purple claimed it alone was $3k USD and apparently $4500 when racing.
so yes, the bill all in, if the incidentals are $800, with tax is $3k - not just the training.- that suggests that when racing its another $1500 apparently for racing, shipping, 10% of earnings, etc., - but thanks for the heads up
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Going to be an ugly summer..
Hopefully the owners get their fill watching racing on TV across the globe
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Going to be an ugly summer..
Hopefully the owners get their fill watching racing on TV across the globe
You left Anthony’s barn last yr or yr before
I’m guessing. Anthony. Beat you out of money or thru u out of his
Barn.
I’m guessing the second.
I never seen a 25 percent owner of one horse
So pissed off for going two yrs
Now
Anthony did not wanna work on deal either did he ? ngc3 ngc3
How many trainers have you had Joshua
I’ve had 3 in 18 yrs
Pls post all your trainers you fired
I’m guessing a lot
Pls list
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He did me wrong.
and I have the right to give my opinion that this years group of yearlings is far worse than ever before
This is a message board afterall
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What the hell did he do
post
Pls
Cheat u on money?
Sold u lame or hurt horse
What the hell did he do
Cheat u outta money
What.
Purp
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We hear repeatedly on here this is a ponzi scheme , can someone please elaborate On how is this legal?
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What the hell did he do
post
Pls
Cheat u on money?
Sold u lame or hurt horse
What the hell did he do
Cheat u outta money
What.
Purp
Mislead me on monthly training Bill's
Charged me traing Bill's on a dead horse
Overstated how good the horse(s)was would be
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this is too much- firstly his bills are exactly what he says they are going to be, a base rate plus costs, still cheaper than most , with the exception of 'knockdown' that spent a lot in the states ---- I have had hoses die and the trainer billed up to the day he dies, not after ? is that the case ? you wanted a free month ? he has to pay for a stall and feed and a groom --- and seriously overstating how good ? he overstates every horse ? its the model ! most trainers do,
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this is too much- firstly his bills are exactly what he says they are going to be, a base rate plus costs, still cheaper than most , with the exception of 'knockdown' that spent a lot in the states ---- I have had hoses die and the trainer billed up to the day he dies, not after ? is that the case ? you wanted a free month ? he has to pay for a stall and feed and a groom --- and seriously overstating how good ? he overstates every horse ? its the model ! most trainers do,
a know it all with 14 posts
i wonder who you work for
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fine...forget my grips with him...
still irrelevant to the fact that this summer will be brutal for the stable and there 60 sub par yearlings model
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Mislead me on monthly training Bill's
Charged me traing Bill's on a dead horse
Overstated how good the horse(s)was would be
EVERYBODY (trainers) TAUTS HORSES IN MARCH AND APRIL
they are not gonna tell u they are rats ...if thats what u wanted to hear then u wood have bitch ,,anthony told me i ahve RATS
IF YOUR A PROFESSIONAL OWNER
EVERYTHING IS TAKEN WITHA GRAIN OF SALT..
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EVERYBODY (trainers) TAUTS HORSES IN MARCH AND APRIL
they are not gonna tell u they are rats ...if thats what u wanted to hear then u wood have bitch ,,anthony told me i ahve RATS
IF YOUR A PROFESSIONAL OWNER
EVERYTHING IS TAKEN WITHA GRAIN OF SALT..
if you are a fish, you accept that trainers will lie to you
if you are are a professional owner, you demand and get the truth
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if you are a fish, you accept that trainers will lie to you
if you are are a professional owner, you demand and get the truth
.......AND GET KICKED TO THE CURB tmbz1
HOW MANY TRAINERS HAVE YOU SWITCHED TO ALREADY?
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Tony Morgan years ago said it best. Owners are like mushrooms...kept them in the dark and feed them a lot of shit. This is the balance one needs with buying yearlings the truth never comes out til you can see that first qualifying line. Otherwise your paying for hope. The only thing u get with the stable that is any different are the drone sessions every couple weeks to see the horses train on the track. Otherwise he is a trainer like all trainers with excuses 20 feet long.
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.......AND GET KICKED TO THE CURB tmbz1
HOW MANY TRAINERS HAVE YOU SWITCHED TO ALREADY?
i have 7 training for me now...
one of which has been training for me for 25 years
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Tony Morgan years ago said it best. Owners are like mushrooms...kept them in the dark and feed them a lot of shit. This is the balance one needs with buying yearlings the truth never comes out til you can see that first qualifying line. Otherwise your paying for hope. The only thing u get with the stable that is any different are the drone sessions every couple weeks to see the horses train on the track. Otherwise he is a trainer like all trainers with excuses 20 feet long.
another reason i dont buy yearlings, or have horses with tony morgan
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if you are are a professional owner, you demand and get the truth
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YEA RIGHT..
7 TRAINERS NAME ALL YOUR HORSES
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another reason i dont buy yearlings, or have horses with tony morgan
TONY MORGAN who I know very well
WOOD NOT LET IN A BARN JUST TO SAY HI. He wood not give two days with your nonsense
THOSE ARE FACTS
YOUR REP OUT EAST HAS BEEN CEMENTED
I HEAR THINGS
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.......AND GET KICKED TO THE CURB tmbz1
HOW MANY TRAINERS HAVE YOU SWITCHED TO ALREADY?
He chickened out of the bet
Edward
We called that. tmbz1
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YEA RIGHT..
7 TRAINERS NAME ALL YOUR HORSES
you can check the usta if you want..
the good thing about telling the truth is you dont have to defend it, it will come to light by itself
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He chickened out of the bet
Edward
We called that. tmbz1
i explained to you why the bet made no sense,
and also expained that a moron wouldnt understand, moron
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i explained to you why the bet made no sense,
and also expained that a moron wouldnt understand, moron
U Are you explain nothing moron are you explain is that you buy cheap shit horses and have no faith in your horses that’s what you explained
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you can check the usta if you want..
the good thing about telling the truth is you dont have to defend it, it will come to light by itself
I don’t lie about what I own I have five presently I had seven up to about two weeks ago and I sold two Australian breds that I didn’t like
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U Are you explain nothing moron are you explain is that you buy cheap shit horses and have no faith in your horses that’s what you explained
just because u didnt understand it doesnt mean i didnt explain it
end of wasting my time with you...
and if you keep running your mouth ill make sure next time i see you you piss your pants, again
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just because u didnt understand it doesnt mean i didnt explain it
end of wasting my time with you...
and if you keep running your mouth ill make sure next time i see you you piss your pants, again
PICK YOUR BEST
I WILL PICK MY BEST FOR 1000
,,WHICH HORSE MAKES MORE MONEY FOR 2020
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YES NO
OR JUST GONNA XPLANE ,,THINGS TO ME AGAIN ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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just because u didnt understand it doesnt mean i didnt explain it
end of wasting my time with you...
and if you keep running your mouth ill make sure next time i see you you piss your pants, again
YES THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
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1000 BET WHENEVER U WANT
AND I CALLED MY CONECTION IN CANADA
ANTHONY DID NOTHIN TO YOU
U JUST COMPLAINED 24/7
SO HE BULLSHITTED U EVERY DAY 24/7
THOSE ARE FACTS
IM DONE NOW
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A buddy of mine has a few shares he wants to unload, says bills are higher then he was told and the place is a dump and the track is so bad they are lucky to jog three days a week
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A buddy of mine has a few shares he wants to unload, says bills are higher then he was told and the place is a dump and the track is so bad they are lucky to jog three days a week
Everyone comes across bad horses it part of the business
But nobody complains 24/7
Eat the horse and move on. What
Usually happens
I’m I’m done arguing with purple I’ll just reply to real questions
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What most people are forgetting is the fix cost on the yearling is from day 1 bought until Mar 1. Then April 1 and May 1 due to staking. Then those bills go up. Then those bills go higher in June with license and finger prints. Now your a 1% owner who bought into a 15k yearling. Cost 150.00 plus the hst. Your a 1% owner who then has to pay in full 75.00(not adjusted for a 1% owner like states I think do for a license) for finger prints say in NY or NJ. That yearling now actually in theory 22,500. Now it's July 1 and that qualified yearling is shipped off to the states to race in whatever jurisdiction. To a new trainer with most likely a higher rate and vet bills that are way more expensive on the east coast vs ON. So the bills are whatever.
The rub as mentioned early on that if your expecting to make Money then the stable may not be for you...we are offing entertainment value. Which is fine but how can you ask owners to stick around 12 months a year with little or no entertainment. Some horses get sold before racing. Some just can't compete past a maiden. While a hand few do well. Law of averages. As one can see in 2019-2020 there are over 2,000 shares open and he has clients sucked in on 3 year olds that were marginally at best at 2. There is no new blood and blood dripping from the 800 entertained owners.
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Yearling game usually doesn’t well
For 99 percent of people.
Jimmy
For most getting horses to track satisfying enuff
Getting a good one thrilling. Getting a good sire unheard of usually if u only buy 1 or 2
I think using the word ENTERTAINMENT
WAS THE first thing Anthony did wrong
That implies losing money AND if
U dont really care about losing monmey anthonys your guy
thats share thing i was never a fan of
buy quarter,,a third ,,etc etc
with good trainer you trust
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i have 7 training for me now...
one of which has been training for me for 25 years
YOU HAVE 7 TRAINING FOR YOU RIGHT NOW? DUDE, YOUR LOADED tmbz1
THAT 1K BET LOOKS TO BE A LOCK......DID YOU REALLY MAKE THE GUY PEE HIS PANTS LAST TIME ALSO?
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Everyone comes across bad horses it part of the business
But nobody complains 24/7
Eat the horse and move on. What
Usually happens
I’m I’m done arguing with purple I’ll just reply to real questions
I'm not stupid enough to have stakes in his game, he is the only one that can win
I've heard and seen enough to stay away. The whole thing is a shit show, farm is a dump and the track is garbage and AM and the trainers are never there, ghost town by noon
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Anyone see Anthony 3 move his three-year-old filly last night in her 1st start in 9 months? Is that how you run a good stable nowadays just asking
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Anyone see Anthony 3 move his three-year-old filly last night in her 1st start in 9 months? Is that how you run a good stable nowadays just asking
He s banking on those that don't have a clue to support his venture, those that know what's what run and run away fast
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He s banking on those that don't have a clue to support his venture, those that know what's what run and run away fast
i saw on facebook everyone apploading the effort for the horse...
waiting for someone to question why he three moved a 3 year old filly in her first start....
in a maiden...
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Seems Anthony can’t do anything by you Joshua
He tried to win a race.
He over drove the filly a little
She’s probably lacking in talent
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are you talking about bottle of red in the first race
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are you talking about bottle of red in the first race
yes
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Seems Anthony can’t do anything by you Joshua
He tried to win a race.
He over drove the filly a little
She’s probably lacking in talent
thats right...we seem to have alot of difference of opinion.
hence why i stopped doing business with him
i personally would be fired up if a filly i invested that much time and money in was used like that in a maiden race
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wow, some of you need to get a life
and to be clear I am in no way suggesting the stable.ca is perfect of for everybody
what are you going to do now, critique every drive the guy has
purple and Ferdinand, I get it , you have an axe to grind with the guy , but seriously move on
lets check some facts, bottle of red was making her second start( where she finished second) of the season not first
last night she finished second by a nose in a decent time, last 1/4 in 27.3
clearly she was ready for the mile she went, if she had backed through the field in the stretch your babbling might have some merit
of course all his horses are shit (apparently) ? so why is he driving to win ??
to each their own
take a lap fellas
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wow, some of you need to get a life
and to be clear I am in no way suggesting the stable.ca is perfect of for everybody
what are you going to do now, critique every drive the guy has
purple and Ferdinand, I get it , you have an axe to grind with the guy , but seriously move on
lets check some facts, bottle of red was making her second start( where she finished second) of the season not first
last night she finished second by a nose in a decent time, last 1/4 in 27.3
clearly she was ready for the mile she went, if she had backed through the field in the stretch your babbling might have some merit
of course all his horses are shit (apparently) ? so why is he driving to win ??
to each their own
take a lap fellas
I would have rather her backed through the field...
He had plenty that did/do that that I don't comment on...
Let's see where the filly is a month from now
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Purple - so you would have rather he sat behind the horse he let clear who finished 30 lengths back than pull on her, let the favourite go, sit on her helmet and try to win half way down the lane?
I just want to make sure I read that right - so you are going to go and tell Dave Miller (or whoever) "listen just leave and if anyone pulls, just sit. Its her first start today (even though its her second). Dave, I would rather you get beat 31 lengths, so I can have a sour filly on my hands, rather than you retaking and getting position and then attempting to win.
If he had done what you had suggested and just fade through the field, the next comment you would post is "nice drive by this guy, hope you enjoyed paying the shipping, shoeing, vet and paddock for no money and a sour filly".
Clearly you have not let go of your experience with him.
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Purple - so you would have rather he sat behind the horse he let clear who finished 30 lengths back than pull on her, let the favourite go, sit on her helmet and try to win half way down the lane?
I just want to make sure I read that right - so you are going to go and tell Dave Miller (or whoever) "listen just leave and if anyone pulls, just sit. Its her first start today (even though its her second). Dave, I would rather you get beat 31 lengths, so I can have a sour filly on my hands, rather than you retaking and getting position and then attempting to win.
If he had done what you had suggested and just fade through the field, the next comment you would post is "nice drive by this guy, hope you enjoyed paying the shipping, shoeing, vet and paddock for no money and a sour filly".
Clearly you have not let go of your experience with him.
if it was dave miller driving, i wouldnt have to say anything, he would know to keep her in.
sometimes its better to miss a check that week, even if it means getting shuffled back, rather than use a horse too hard.
and thats why i had a problem with him overcharging, it makes you need to make money every race rather than do whats best for the horse andd its future
ill let it go...
but trust me, this summer will be ugly
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Purple - so you would have rather he sat behind the horse he let clear who finished 30 lengths back than pull on her, let the favourite go, sit on her helmet and try to win half way down the lane?
I just want to make sure I read that right - so you are going to go and tell Dave Miller (or whoever) "listen just leave and if anyone pulls, just sit. Its her first start today (even though its her second). Dave, I would rather you get beat 31 lengths, so I can have a sour filly on my hands, rather than you retaking and getting position and then attempting to win.
If he had done what you had suggested and just fade through the field, the next comment you would post is "nice drive by this guy, hope you enjoyed paying the shipping, shoeing, vet and paddock for no money and a sour filly".
Clearly you have not let go of your experience with him.
the problem with Joshua
is it will never end well what Anthony does
I thought filly was driven correctly yrsterday night
she wasn't used that hard
used hard usually means 26 quarters ,,I didn't see that
dreams trips usualluy never work out
the way they planned
20 trainers ,,
theres a reason ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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the problem with Joshua
is it will never end well what Anthony does
I thought filly was driven correctly yrsterday night
she wasn't used that hard
used hard usually means 26 quarters ,,I didn't see that
dreams trips usualluy never work out
the way they planned
20 trainers ,,
theres a reason ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
maybe there is a reason all those people are willing to train for me
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the problem with Joshua
is it will never end well what Anthony does
I thought filly was driven correctly yrsterday night
she wasn't used that hard
used hard usually means 26 quarters ,,I didn't see that
dreams trips usualluy never work out
the way they planned
20 trainers ,,
theres a reason ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
lets see where she is the end of april...
if she is still around and racing well ill eat crow
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Brown Jug a serous question. 36 horses sit unsold and I would imagine the sellers have been paid? Where did that money come from? Now you have about 2,000 shares just on the 2 yr olds looking to be purchased. That has been that way since Dec. A full three months plus the back 2 months when purchase. So 2,000 shares is 20 horses. 20x2,500 Canadian is 50k Canadian. So who isn't getting paid? I'm sure the horses are eating, have to think the grooms are being paid. A Mac he isn't working for free or the trainers. Now the first major staking month is due in 10 days and who is writing that check for the 2,000 shares outstanding. Either there is a major backer or it's a house of cards? You tell me and also why isn't this news worthy. It's a part of the industry and open for debate.
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lets see where she is the end of april...
if she is still around and racing well ill eat crow
I’m not wishing the horse bad
I think the race was more of see what she is
My theory. Horses get five starts with me
First one easy.
Next four raced. If they are not up to my standards they get dumped
Or partners can buy out
AKA my two Aussies. Sold after three starts last month
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Brown Jug a serous question. 36 horses sit unsold and I would imagine the sellers have been paid? Where did that money come from? Now you have about 2,000 shares just on the 2 yr olds looking to be purchased. That has been that way since Dec. A full three months plus the back 2 months when purchase. So 2,000 shares is 20 horses. 20x2,500 Canadian is 50k Canadian. So who isn't getting paid? I'm sure the horses are eating, have to think the grooms are being paid. A Mac he isn't working for free or the trainers. Now the first major staking month is due in 10 days and who is writing that check for the 2,000 shares outstanding. Either there is a major backer or it's a house of cards? You tell me and also why isn't this news worthy. It's a part of the industry and open for debate.
Horses have to paid before they get release papers at sales
Anthony eating a lot of babies look like tmbz1
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Brown Jug a serous question. 36 horses sit unsold and I would imagine the sellers have been paid? Where did that money come from? Now you have about 2,000 shares just on the 2 yr olds looking to be purchased. That has been that way since Dec. A full three months plus the back 2 months when purchase. So 2,000 shares is 20 horses. 20x2,500 Canadian is 50k Canadian. So who isn't getting paid? I'm sure the horses are eating, have to think the grooms are being paid. A Mac he isn't working for free or the trainers. Now the first major staking month is due in 10 days and who is writing that check for the 2,000 shares outstanding. Either there is a major backer or it's a house of cards? You tell me and also why isn't this news worthy. It's a part of the industry and open for debate.
id guess anthony has paid for the horses out of his 500k+ a month training bills and he is the "owner" of those shares
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hold on horses first
you are branching into an entirely different subject matter and to be clear those are very valid questions ands concerns
we all know the model cannot survive with that number of unsold shares, and i have no idea how that will end
my response was to a comment about the drive on bottle of red last night and how i felt that comment was misguided and inaccurate in my opinion
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hold on horses first
you are branching into an entirely different subject matter and to be clear those are very valid questions ands concerns
we all know the model cannot survive with that number of unsold shares, and i have no idea how that will end
my response was to a comment about the drive on bottle of red last night and how i felt that comment was misguided and inaccurate in my opinion
the horse and its health will show us with time
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A buddy of mine has a few shares he wants to unload, says bills are higher then he was told and the place is a dump and the track is so bad they are lucky to jog three days a week
Grapevine reveals similar.... tmbz1
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thats right...we seem to have alot of difference of opinion.
hence why i stopped doing business with him
i personally would be fired up if a filly i invested that much time and money in was used like that in a maiden race
SORRY SHE DIDNT DRAW OFF BY 15 JOSH....
LACKING TALENT LIKELY
OR, THIS WAS A GOOD TIGHTENER IF SHE'S ANY COUNT AT ALL ngc3
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SORRY SHE DIDNT DRAW OFF BY 15 JOSH....
LACKING TALENT LIKELY
OR, THIS WAS A GOOD TIGHTENER IF SHE'S ANY COUNT AT ALL ngc3
race comprehension is a skill
.. tmbz1
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Before you post something you know nothing about maybe you should check with the USTA and see how many of his horses are still registered to the breeder.
I know for a fact that most horses are not paid for at the sale but the papers are held by the USTA until the sales company releases the registrations. release papers are given so that you can take the horse off the grounds.
Try looking up Royhill ( paid $17K at the sale but he has the horse valued at $59K Canadian making his worth $45K USD...good luck trying to sell those shares.) at the USTA and see if Midland Acres is still not the registered owner as least that was the case earlie this week along with EVERY horse I checked with the USTA.
If this is the case why would anyone continue to buy from these breeding farms. How do you bid against side deals, over inflated purchase prices and yearlings that the farm really isn't selling
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If I understand your comment correctly, what I am saying that originally AM had Royhill priced at 17K plus extras. Every month the share cost goes up as AM keeps tacking on his monthly bill along with stake payments. That is why AM has Royhill "valued at $45K USD. This is how the inflated price is gotten. To my knowledge there was no side deal and believe me Midland was hoping to sell the yearling as they run a first class operation unlike a certain stable north of the border.
If this is not want you meant please let me know
Then why is Midland still listed owner, are they getting the inflated price tag ? Turns buyers off when you see breeders do business like this, unless it's a practice to extend this type of credit to everyone
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No, the sale price is the sale price...The extra $28K is AM's fees ans stake payments. Midland is only, or at least hoping to get their $17K. Midland is still listed as owner only for 2 reasons: 1. They have not been paid or 2. AM has not transferred the papers.
Selling shares in horses that aren't paid for at an inflated price, AM is the sharpest cat in the game , making huge profits without spending any money to do it
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Selling shares in horses that aren't paid for at an inflated price, AM is the sharpest cat in the game , making huge profits without spending any money to do it
He is making money every which way.
And doing it on 80 shit yearlings a year instead of 25 good ones...
That's the true crime here..
One day the rest will see it
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purple, I can agree with your last comment
and perhaps their is a role for a higher end fractional group
but clearly that is not the market he was/is going after
it is fairly simple , if the horses do well and overachieve their pedigree and conformation issues he is fine as clients are making money/ breaking even
if not than cash flow dries up and you end up with a lot of unsold shares from the last crop of yearlings
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purple, I can agree with your last comment
and perhaps their is a role for a higher end fractional group
but clearly that is not the market he was/is going after
it is fairly simple , if the horses do well and overachieve their pedigree and conformation issues he is fine as clients are making money/ breaking even
if not than cash flow dries up and you end up with a lot of unsold shares from the last crop of yearlings
im saying what he should have done. and could have done.not what he did
people would have eaten up better yearling shares, with less horses avaialbe, but thats less money in AMs pocket
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They just bought 4 more year lings in Australia so they're obviously not hurting for money
On a side note I was watching the commentary report and the 1st thing they were talking about was the weather that's never a good sign when you have 200 horses and the lead story is the weather
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Unless the Fbi hunts down ponzi schemes the heat should be off for awhile
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Unless the Fbi hunts down ponzi schemes the heat should be off for awhile
It's not the FBI they need to worry about it's the 700 pissed off owners
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The babies in Australia might have a chance because this Idiot hopefully doesnt call the shots or trains them!!
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PSP...they only have a .25 of each of the four to split among the stable. The 3/4 already spoken for.
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The babies in Australia might have a chance because this Idiot hopefully doesnt call the shots or trains them!!
They should not buy pacers in North America anyway, he never does any good with them training at his shithole track. Watch the videos, they look awful
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Bottle of red back in to go. Let's see if she moves forward or backward off last effort
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good call
lets micromanage the performance of one horse in 1 isolated race and make a final decision on not just that horse but the entire operation
to be clear , your position is if the horse races badly( define badly) it is soley based on the fact of the over aggressive( your opinion) drive she was given last week and nothing else
for the record i have no skin in this so no real bias towards the outcome either way
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good call
lets micromanage the performance of one horse in 1 isolated race and make a final decision on not just that horse but the entire operation
to be clear , your position is if the horse races badly( define badly) it is soley based on the fact of the over aggressive( your opinion) drive she was given last week and nothing else
for the record i have no skin in this so no real bias towards the outcome either way
You pick whatever you want to judge it on and it looks badd it's just so happens that I picked that how about all pic how many entries they had in at mohawk on Saturday night after buying 300 horses the last 4 years
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good call
lets micromanage the performance of one horse in 1 isolated race and make a final decision on not just that horse but the entire operation
to be clear , your position is if the horse races badly( define badly) it is soley based on the fact of the over aggressive( your opinion) drive she was given last week and nothing else
for the record i have no skin in this so no real bias towards the outcome either way
I'll give you the advantage and let you pick any standard of measure of success you want and explain to me how that doing well go ahead any measure you want
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good call
lets micromanage the performance of one horse in 1 isolated race and make a final decision on not just that horse but the entire operation
to be clear , your position is if the horse races badly( define badly) it is soley based on the fact of the over aggressive( your opinion) drive she was given last week and nothing else
for the record i have no skin in this so no real bias towards the outcome either way
All I was doing in pin pointing this even though I've named 20 other things hes done wrong so I'm not micromanaging but in this case I was merely pointing out how something they claim is a success is actually not being done the right way in my opinion
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All I was doing in pin pointing this even though I've named 20 other things hes done wrong so I'm not micromanaging but in this case I was merely pointing out how something they claim is a success is actually not being done the right way in my opinion
AM doing something right he's living the good life like Surick was
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AM doing something right he's living the good life like Surick was
Without the FBI TAPPING HIS FONE ngc3
I FEEL BAD 4 my GOOD friend
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purple
as you know from some of my prior posts i agree with many of your comments
i think we all know that buying horses for $20k rarely ends well for the owners
all is not well at the stable .ca
time will tell how it ends up
to your point there is many measures to determine if the concept is successful, how bottle of red races thursday night is not really an accurate one, no matter if the horse races good or bad
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purple
as you know from some of my prior posts i agree with many of your comments
i think we all know that buying horses for $20k rarely ends well for the owners
all is not well at the stable .ca
time will tell how it ends up
to your point there is many measures to determine if the concept is successful, how bottle of red races thursday night is not really an accurate one, no matter if the horse races good or bad
The first or second start are usually the best then they tank, mismanagement or no foundation?
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The first or second start are usually the best then they tank, mismanagement or no foundation?
both
he ususually sends them...
sending horses early in their racing careers leads to short racing careers
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most trainers like to have there babies and three yr olds alway be comin from the back not gunned out
they wont long and tend to develope bad habits after 3 or 4 gunning to the top
sulking usually the biggest once they start getting past they usually think race is over
most stop tryin
jmho
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Why does Mario Baillargeon not drive any of the horses he trains but still catch drives others?
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They must be horses in TheStable because AM needs all the help he can get. For the last few years Mario has been helping Ben and driving a few but I believe he's cutting back on the day to day.
Looks like the stable has no confidence in Mario's ability. I think he still drives a trotter well and could be a useful educater for the younger stock
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Mario blows as a driver and trainer. He just sits there in the bike like a stiff cock going around the racetrack. This dude has cost me several thousands driving my horse at TheStable.CA. I literally caught myself holding my breath watching this dickhead driving my horse in races. Even begged AMAc to take Mario off my horse as driver as I couldn’t take no more. Fell on deaf ears. Although I have no ill will, I have Lost thousands and thousands of dollars at TheStable.CA.
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Mario blows as a driver and trainer. He just sits there in the bike like a stiff cock going around the racetrack. This dude has cost me several thousands driving my horse at TheStable.CA. I literally caught myself holding my breath watching this dickhead driving my horse in races. Even begged AMAc to take Mario off my horse as driver as I couldn’t take no more. Fell on deaf ears. Although I have no ill will, I have Lost thousands and thousands of dollars at TheStable.CA.
You have lost thousands of dollars with the stable because Mario drove? But you pay to fly AM into drive in major stakes with top drivers available
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So the list of fines and suspensions on the USTA website is 13 pages this week. All the major players are there including Adam Short! I called this! This idiot should go down with the rest of them. He is the Nick Surick of the Midwest!
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I am one of the dumb fucks! ngc3
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You have lost thousands of dollars with the stable because Mario drove? But you pay to fly AM into drive in major stakes with top drivers available
I have lost thousands of dollars as a whole during my years there. I am down to 35 shares from 250 shares in several horses. Once those horses get sold that I have shares in. No more Stable for me. I have no say on who drives as I only have shares in these horses. And yes it sucked knowing there were better drivers out there for the horses and we could not use those drivers. Learned a lot with my time with the stable being a novice. Especially how to bend over and take it in the ass with no lube. :1
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I have lost thousands of dollars as a whole during my years there. I am down to 35 shares from 250 shares in several horses. Once those horses get sold that I have shares in. No more Stable for me. I have no say on who drives as I only have shares in these horses. And yes it sucked knowing there were better drivers out there for the horses and we could not use those drivers. Learned a lot with my time with the stable being a novice. Especially how to bend over and take it in the ass with no lube. :1
My buddy says same thing, they aren't forthcoming and it's not a good experience and the bills have gotten ridiculous
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My buddy says same thing, they aren't forthcoming and it's not a good experience and the bills have gotten ridiculous
their bills are higher than they say they will be ...
exactly my issue
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Goldigger what led you to get involved that heavily with TheStable. We have heard from others and their reasons for getting out such as monthly bills, the extra charges.
The love of harness racing lead to it. Never thought I could pay for a whole horse. Then I was able to buy 1 share at a time. $300 here for a share, $250 there for a share in another horse. Getting involved with multiple horses. Up to about 34 horses. And loved it till I realized these horses weren’t really making money except a few. Then those $10,000 bills starting rolling in around stake time. Yikes! Then finally realized no ROI and I was getting crushed financially.
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The love of harness racing lead to it. Never thought I could pay for a whole horse. Then I was able to buy 1 share at a time. $300 here for a share, $250 there for a share in another horse. Getting involved with multiple horses. Up to about 34 horses. And loved it till I realized these horses weren’t really making money except a few. Then those $10,000 bills starting rolling in around stake time. Yikes! Then finally realized no ROI and I was getting crushed financially.
That's outrageous !! These are very mediocre bred horses, why are they being staked so extensively? Isn't that a waste of money?
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The love of harness racing lead to it. Never thought I could pay for a whole horse. Then I was able to buy 1 share at a time. $300 here for a share, $250 there for a share in another horse. Getting involved with multiple horses. Up to about 34 horses. And loved it till I realized these horses weren’t really making money except a few. Then those $10,000 bills starting rolling in around stake time. Yikes! Then finally realized no ROI and I was getting crushed financially.
you first mistke was buying into 34 horses that's ludicris
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Goldigger I'm sure you know loving anything costs and you pay with your wallet. It doesn't matter if it's your wife, girlfriend, kids or your family pet and having said that many of us are in the same boat got in worked hard and eeked out a living. Then the onslaught of drugs came into play and the clean horseman couldn't buy a win because the drugs were a huge edge and we got out. Anthony had this idea that on the fringes it sounds like a good way to get into the game and he draws in mostly first timers and if they are now walking away because of the bills and it's costing you financially then this guy is doing more harm to the game than anything. I have said it all along that this thing of his will blow up and I think it will be this year. It's too bad that you and others had to find out the hard way but don't let him sour you on Harness Racing there could be light at the end of the tunnel.
Iceman makes valid points, unload your stock at the stable and try to find a smaller hands on operation to buy in with
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Purely speculation but is this thing going down? Are the padded bills a last ditch effort to save a sinking ship or to save AM own ass?
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I have lost thousands of dollars as a whole during my years there. I am down to 35 shares from 250 shares in several horses. Once those horses get sold that I have shares in. No more Stable for me. I have no say on who drives as I only have shares in these horses. And yes it sucked knowing there were better drivers out there for the horses and we could not use those drivers. Learned a lot with my time with the stable being a novice. Especially how to bend over and take it in the ass with no lube. :1Golddigger did you by chance own Bendover?
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Golddigger did you by chance own Bendover?
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No, but that could sum it up.
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Bottle of red back in to go. Let's see if she moves forward or backward off last effort
I remember you saying that this horse would be cooked off its last start and rather than moving two times, he should have sat and ended up the track - she raced okay tonight I think - (and yes I know - he shouldnt have backstretch blasted past 5 horses in a 30 second quarter).
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Big deal win in 56.3 last quarter in29 at Mohawk. Another Stable horse was on top and let her go . Staggering at the wire. For what they have into her she should beat nw1 .
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Big deal win in 56.3 last quarter in29 at Mohawk. Another Stable horse was on top and let her go . Staggering at the wire. For what they have into her she should beat nw1 .
Does Allard own this one
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Solid win by Bottle of Red, horse has looked good in all 3 races she has had this year.
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The problem with the stable and selling shares your selling them to the clients of the stable.
Clients that only seem to own shares they can afford. Also the clients that actually have money
are smart enough not to buy shares to horses that are mediocre and a drain on cash flow. Most
shares are over priced and if they are being dumped why buy them. That's the problem with the
stable or owning in syndicates. You can't get out...only when the owner wants to pitch them.
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No, but that could sum it up.
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What's your take on the stables involvement with the recently indicted?
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If this is because certain commissions waived the white flag and got the FBI involved then IMO it doesn't matter if your in the US or Canada your going to pay the piper and I do believe the RCMP are well up to date on what has transpired up to now.
Don't think they would like the authorities checking financials at the stable
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Iceman if he's flying around first class on clients time fuck that. They over charged clients for Lexington horses. They based it on buying around X amount of horses before the sale tacking on the price. Then bought 6 or 7 horses over and didn't change the dollar amount. I'm sure there was leftover for his two recent vacations. Well sounds like enough clients have seen enough and they can't bring more in its just a matter of time. If that doesn't get him a recession or back turn in the economy will. Watch any marginal horse will be shipped off to a sale. Especially the 2 yr olds with so many open shares. He won't be footing the bills for a bunch of NW 1 or horses that can't qualify. Pitch city dimes on the dollar. Then guarantee a new format for upcoming sales. No way you will see 60-70 purchases anymore.
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What was the reason for hiring Kelly Spencer who was media relations person at Grand River, the only reason I can think of is to add a professional touch to all of Anthony's media about TheStable. At first they paid an outside person and he told them forget it he wasn't going to do it any more, why because they were late paying. The guy is dumber than dirt but like MLK he had a dream too but someone other than Anthony developed this scheme and Anthony is so clueless they will walk before the cards fall and Anthony will take the fall. Just look at who is singing his praises you have SC, WEG, primarily and USTA, WEG controls everything with SC. Some newbie investors still haven't figured out their getting taken because their still in their "Golly Gee I Have A Piece of a Race Horse". Then there is the people that thought let's give it a shot, people who owned horses before and though maybe we get lucky on one. This last group are the ones selling and getting out and the negative word is spoken by them not just on Horseplop as some say but Sheets was in it and he got out. Without the experienced shareholders the newbies can't carry this thing, period. And this year we will all see it come crashing to the ground and Anthony will have no more free ride, hell no one would even want to be in the same room as him and as for WEG they will always be there but Anthony will be headed back east to PEI because here was a egotistical guy from the east coast who thought he could outsmart others in the big city and failed.
Very logical post Ice and maybe Purple or Goldigger could answer if they as shareholders ever got cut a cheque from their horses winnings?
Spencer left a lucrative job with Grand River Raceway, how much would the stable pay her to.entice her to leave
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regardless of many theories it all comes down to the performance of the horses
if horses do well the cash flow for owners to buy more continues
if horses do not perform than people struggle to pay monthly bills and certainly no money for existing shares or any new yearlings
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Anthony has to buy less stock and better stock
Reduce owners by at least half only chance left to succeed
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THE INDUSTRY SHOULD PAY ANTHONY A STIPEND, AT LEAST HE IS TRYING TO RECRUIT NEW OWNERS FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
EVERYONE ELSE JUST STANDING THERE WITH THEIR HANDS OUT
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THE INDUSTRY SHOULD PAY ANTHONY A STIPEND, AT LEAST HE IS TRYING TO RECRUIT NEW OWNERS FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
EVERYONE ELSE JUST STANDING THERE WITH THEIR HANDS OUT
He is paying himself quite handsomely. If he was doing it the right way we would but instead hes doing it just to prophet himself while making it look like hes helping the industry
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THE INDUSTRY SHOULD PAY ANTHONY A STIPEND, AT LEAST HE IS TRYING TO RECRUIT NEW OWNERS FROM THE BOTTOM UP.
EVERYONE ELSE JUST STANDING THERE WITH THEIR HANDS OUT
Anthony promotes Anthony!! And talk about hands out
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luc, amac will have no choice but to buy fewer horses in the future
the large amount of unsold inventory will force that
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luc, amac will have no choice but to buy fewer horses in the future
the large amount of unsold inventory will force that
Is there a posting of the shares available and who has shares and the list of stake nominations?
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luc, amac will have no choice but to buy fewer horses in the future
the large amount of unsold inventory will force that
How does he come up with the prices per share? How do you ask $700 a share in a $10,000 yearling, what inflated the price? If shares aren't sold out wouldn't you be better to just price them at sale price and attempt to sell out instead of trying to have new shareholders cover the expenses? Can someone please enlighten me on how this actually works?
Anyone I talk to is disgruntled about crazy bills and just want out
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if you are a client you can log in and see all the yearlings( now 2 yr olds) that still have shares available for sale
i assume the current cost includes training and staking fees since purchase
he surely does not want to continue owning all those shares
if so the stable . ca becomes a large horse owner , not really the model
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if you are a client you can log in and see all the yearlings( now 2 yr olds) that still have shares available for sale
i assume the current cost includes training and staking fees since purchase
he surely does not want to continue owning all those shares
if so the stable . ca becomes a large horse owner , not really the model
Most yearling prices are public knowledge so no wonder there's so many shares left when you want to charge clients 10times the purchase price
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Do the math properly Bull . He's asking about twice the purchase price or less on the ones that have a lot of shares left.
There is not one anywhere near the prices you talk about
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Do the math properly Bull . He's asking about twice the purchase price or less on the ones that have a lot of shares left.
There is not one anywhere near the prices you talk about
Roy Hill was used as an example earlier, yearling price of $17,000 share price puts him over $59,000
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Sorry but you are using American dollars they are using Canadian. Their asking price of 595 Canadian equates to 43,000 US about 2 and 1/2 times what they paid
595 Canadian Dollar =
430.60 US Dollar
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Share prices are easy to figure out...lets use Royhill as the example......$17K purchase price, to that add shipping, add to that every monthly training bill which is between $3500-$4000 per month (this is AM's number, not mine). Don't forget the stake payments and everything else AM can add and last but not least the 13.5% Canadian tax and you get a number of $59K AM value. So add another $15K-$20K before he races meaning Royhill has to earn over $65 K in his 2 year old season to break even.....makes you want to jump in and buy a piece doesn't it.
I also saw on HRU that someone took on thestable.ca with the guru who seemed to think that AM is good for the business which is correct but only and only if you are AM!!
Why would someone who is considering buying a share today be responsible for expenses incurred over the last 5months? I get that he's figuring all that in but is the horse really worth what the shares are priced at?
An outsider looking in trying to grasp this it looks to me like it's okay for everyone to lose money except AM
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fellas, think about it
at least for appearances he cant sell a share in a horse today for the same amount as 6 months ago when it was bought, than the people who bought in at the beginning have paid 6 months of training and the today buyer has not so then why would anyone buy early
its like the flight deals , you book 3 months ago at $500 and find out the guy in the seat beside you got it last minute for $200 so your pissed
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The business model of buying so many with keeping so many has locked in his clients. Having so many babies without the cash to pay your now behind the 8 ball as stable manger and have given ALL the unknown with babies to the clients. With having some transparency as seeing every two weeks these horses in a training session owners can now wait and see with time if these babies have potential. Yes your not saving anything because the price is accruing with training bills and stake payments...But u would have been paying the bills the past 4-5 months. One just has to be waiting to hit the buy button if you like something and not lose out. But the stable in hindsight is controlled by the clients with those open shares and not the owner of the stable. Business 101 Houston we have a problem
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Here is Royhill on his website and the reason the cost per share will not rise is because Royhill is sold out but the expenses will continue to climb. Notice I say expenses, NOT horse value.
Royhill
2YO OH bred Pacing Gelding
by Racing Hill
$595CDN Per Share
But when I go on the site the horse is sold out ?
so in your humble opinion, what should the price be for this horse? And do you have any insider trading knowledge as to how this horse is training down?
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I have no idea what the horse is worth but I do know 1 person that owns a 5% interest and he would sell for 50 cents on the dollar but so far no takers. Royhills last 2 training miles were one where he almost fell down (AM told my friend it was a shoeing problem) and the last training mile Royhill could not keep up but AM's answer was no problem, just need to put a head pole back on.
so he is prepared to sell based on a value of $8500 (half of the sale price)?
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I think Royhill maybe a little higher because they entered him in a Ohio stake that was for 10k stake fee with a big purse.
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I have no idea what the horse is worth but I do know 1 person that owns a 5% interest and he would sell for 50 cents on the dollar but so far no takers. Royhills last 2 training miles were one where he almost fell down (AM told my friend it was a shoeing problem) and the last training mile Royhill could not keep up but AM's answer was no problem, just need to put a head pole back on.
every break any horse has made in the history of the stable is a "little break"
a horse never breaks, always just a "little break" ngc3 ngc3
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yes the longer you can wait to purchase the better as you get to see how the horse is developing
and in fairness you should pay for the months of training already accrued
but that is assuming the horse you are interested in has shares available from the stable ,
if 100% of shares are sold than you would have to buy from current owners who might want to sell and at what price
for example roy hill is all sold out , so if you want shares a current owner would have to sell them to you
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That line in TheStable promotional material "you might make money but if that's your primary motivation then we might not be right for you" means absolutely nothing and more importantly is not a get out of jail card if this is deemed a Ponzi or Pyramid scheme in the eyes of the law. These are not my words but from someone who investigates all levels and types of fraud. In layman's terms this line should be enough to keep your money in your pocket and again these are not my words.
How long until smaller shareholders just walk away from their shares? There's no racing for them and they don't have a track to train on
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and how is that different than anyone who owns part of a horse in a less public situation (i.e. bought 10% of a horse with Joe Blow training the horse at a public stable)? I think this issue is not related only to this unit, but everywhere ?
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and how is that different than anyone who owns part of a horse in a less public situation (i.e. bought 10% of a horse with Joe Blow training the horse at a public stable)? I think this issue is not related only to this unit, but everywhere ?
It's everywhere
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Seems to me that this is about the only way Tony could get horses to train and make a living. Give him credit for using his brains to provided his family a nice income and employees as well.
I looked at his average of driving and training from past and it was god awful.
It appears he uses multiple washed up trainers, Poulton [Matts Scooter's trainer who got the major milk shake every race] And the Soda King himself back in the day Kevin McMaster.
It's everywhere
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Didn't Anthony end up with 50% ownership in the good ones last year?