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Title: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 20, 2023, 10:09:08 AM
Why would Diamond Creek need blood samples on their horses that are racing.
Read the USTA fines. Or does he have a horse named Lance Armstrong
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 20, 2023, 11:19:12 AM
BOWDEN, ADAM S LEXINGTON, KY YOB 1981
Lex on 8/16/2023 FINED: $5,000
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec. 15(1)(a)(i)(q)---Adam Bowden, owner of Diamond Creek Farms, is
hereby assessed a civil penalty of $5,000. Adam Bowden cooperated in all aspects of this
investigation and took full responsibility and accountability for the actions of his employee,
farm manager Gina Dailey.

DAILEY, MRS GINA CARLISLE, KY YOB 1988
Lex on 8/16/2023 FULL - 70 DAYS, 10/23/2023 THRU 12/31/2023
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec.15 (1)(a)(i)(q)--810 KAR 8:010 Sec.3(3)----KHRC licensee Gina Daily is
hereby suspended a period of (70 days 10/23/2023 through and including 12/31/2023) and
is also excluded from the racetrack grounds and satellite facilities licensed by the KHRC
and placed on probation for 2024. Gina Dailey, Farm Manager of Diamond Creek Farm and
not being a veterinarian, entered the backstretch of The Red Mile Racetrack in Lexington
Kentucky for the purpose of obtaining blood samples from Diamond Creek owned horses.
She acted alone in obtaining these samples and testing them at the Diamond Creek lab.
Trainers of horses involved were not notified prior to Gina Dailey drawing the blood. Gina
Dailey`s cooperation and forthrightness was taken into consideration in issuance of this
ruling.

This is a joke - If she did this on her own then why?  Was she fired for this?  And why if everything was on the up n up did she do it in the middle of the night when no one was around?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 20, 2023, 11:33:48 AM
Nothing to see here Mr . Armstrong
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: The Exporter on October 20, 2023, 11:44:21 AM
If she acted on her own in obtaining and testing these animals, who was given the results? What was she testing for? This make zero sense. Why was Bowden fined $5K and her 70 days? Is it because she can do the time and he can pay the crime?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: helpplease on October 20, 2023, 11:49:40 AM
BOWDEN, ADAM S LEXINGTON, KY YOB 1981
Lex on 8/16/2023 FINED: $5,000
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec. 15(1)(a)(i)(q)---Adam Bowden, owner of Diamond Creek Farms, is
hereby assessed a civil penalty of $5,000. Adam Bowden cooperated in all aspects of this
investigation and took full responsibility and accountability for the actions of his employee,
farm manager Gina Dailey.

DAILEY, MRS GINA CARLISLE, KY YOB 1988
Lex on 8/16/2023 FULL - 70 DAYS, 10/23/2023 THRU 12/31/2023
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec.15 (1)(a)(i)(q)--810 KAR 8:010 Sec.3(3)----KHRC licensee Gina Daily is
hereby suspended a period of (70 days 10/23/2023 through and including 12/31/2023) and
is also excluded from the racetrack grounds and satellite facilities licensed by the KHRC
and placed on probation for 2024. Gina Dailey, Farm Manager of Diamond Creek Farm and
not being a veterinarian, entered the backstretch of The Red Mile Racetrack in Lexington
Kentucky for the purpose of obtaining blood samples from Diamond Creek owned horses.
She acted alone in obtaining these samples and testing them at the Diamond Creek lab.
Trainers of horses involved were not notified prior to Gina Dailey drawing the blood. Gina
Dailey`s cooperation and forthrightness was taken into consideration in issuance of this
ruling.

This is a joke - If she did this on her own then why?  Was she fired for this?  And why if everything was on the up n up did she do it in the middle of the night when no one was around?

The way I read it is Adam as her boss requested that she do this & it would be a travesty if she was fired for following her bosses request. I don't think anyone thinks it was on the up & up & that is precisely why it was done in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 12:12:02 PM
Middle of the night?  It seems like Bowden didn't want his trainer(s) knowing he was getting blood samples on his horses.  Why?  Obviously to determine what is in their system and perhaps what they might need. Maybe he wasn't getting enough answers from the trainers or he felt like getting an upper hand on the knowledge of his horses. The larger question is: Who caught her in the act and turned her in?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: mwins on October 20, 2023, 12:17:03 PM
Was there any yogurt involved?

Maybe she was actually giving the horses something, and taking blood samples was just an excuse as to why she had syringes.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 20, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
Maybe she was just checking their Hemoglobin & Hematocrit,
Interesting that the big Fugs hasn’t chimed in. He was worried about the well being of IMS
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 12:33:52 PM
I highly doubt she acted on her own and she wasn't fired. She was managing the DC consignment at the Lexington sale.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Brown jug on October 20, 2023, 12:37:34 PM
i dont even know where to start
but you can be guaranteed this is the tip of the iceberg
there is no explanation that does include some skullduggery
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 20, 2023, 12:47:46 PM
Middle of the night?  It seems like Bowden didn't want his trainer(s) knowing he was getting blood samples on his horses.  Why?  Obviously to determine what is in their system and perhaps what they might need. Maybe he wasn't getting enough answers from the trainers or he felt like getting an upper hand on the knowledge of his horses. The larger question is: Who caught her in the act and turned her in?

Track security caught her and then KY Racing Commission got involved when they seen the Needles and Syringes.  As for now getting info by his trainers - He took blood from all his horses and trainers.  Something is definitely up.  Speaking of Lance Armstrong  - Does anyone know that Bowden is an elite runner and triathlete.  Trains all the time so he knows all the tricks.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 12:57:44 PM
Track security caught her and then KY Racing Commission got involved when they seen the Needles and Syringes.  As for now getting info by his trainers - He took blood from all his horses and trainers.  Something is definitely up.  Speaking of Lance Armstrong  - Does anyone know that Bowden is an elite runner and triathlete.  Trains all the time so he knows all the tricks.

Thanks for the clarification. Maybe he just doesn't trust the trainers and he's very controlling. Interesting facts on Bowden himself, especially since I believe most horse chemists learn from the triathlete world.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 02:11:04 PM
Track security caught her and then KY Racing Commission got involved when they seen the Needles and Syringes.  As for now getting info by his trainers - He took blood from all his horses and trainers.  Something is definitely up.  Speaking of Lance Armstrong  - Does anyone know that Bowden is an elite runner and triathlete.  Trains all the time so he knows all the tricks.
I had no idea that Adam Bowden of Diamond Creek is the Adam Bowden who was a British Olympic athlete. I thought Adam Bowden from Diamond Creek was born and raised in Maine.

As for a comment concerning Confederate and this mess. From what has been posted, how can anyone make an intelligent conclusion concerning Confederate or any of the other top horses DC own spread out over several trainers? I dont really know what to say. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what was done.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 02:15:03 PM
Adam Bowden, Diamond Creek,  born in Portland Maine

Adam Bowden, British Triathlete  Born in Waitford, Hertfordshire, England

Can't be the same guy

5 minutes research
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 20, 2023, 02:18:55 PM
? Is why would he need to pull blood on his horses in such a clandestine way. Plenty of vets there that can do that. Makes you wonder why they moved the horse from Brain Brown. Lot of smoke here. You don’t have to be and athlete either. RA didn’t look very athletic
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 02:22:24 PM
Agreed there is smoke. like I said the whole thing seems weird. Harnessfan 2023 referred to them as the same guy saying as a runner DC"s Adam Bowden " knew all the tricks" and I remember the guy came from Maine so i checked it out. Who is RA?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 20, 2023, 02:39:40 PM
Rene A
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 02:59:10 PM
? Is why would he need to pull blood on his horses in such a clandestine way. Plenty of vets there that can do that. Makes you wonder why they moved the horse from Brain Brown. Lot of smoke here. You don’t have to be and athlete either. RA didn’t look very athletic

Apparently he doesn't trust the vets either.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: shotgunner on October 20, 2023, 04:00:40 PM
Apparently he doesn't trust the vets either.

Doesn't trust his trainers more likely.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 20, 2023, 06:21:10 PM
Agreed there is smoke. like I said the whole thing seems weird. Harnessfan 2023 referred to them as the same guy saying as a runner DC"s Adam Bowden " knew all the tricks" and I remember the guy came from Maine so i checked it out. Who is RA?

I'm not saying he is the British Guy I'm saying he IS a long distance runner / tri athelete.  I had no idea there was a professional athelet with same name.  Adam Bowden of DC runs 10+ miles a day.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 06:59:08 PM
 tmbz1Well that is an incredible coincidence. But I think you can understand my confusion.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 20, 2023, 08:04:36 PM
tmbz1Well that is an incredible coincidence. But I think you can understand my confusion.
. Honest mistake.  I love the way this got zero press and they suspend a non - license 70 days.  Criminal
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 08:25:22 PM
I still don't even understand WTH happened. Btw, does the Maine Adam Bowden have anything to do with the Bowden family that raced in Maine and New England. As in Greg Bowden? Any relation to them?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 20, 2023, 09:00:36 PM
I still don't even understand WTH happened. Btw, does the Maine Adam Bowden have anything to do with the Bowden family that raced in Maine and New England. As in Greg Bowden? Any relation to them?

Adam sent one of the girls from his farm to Red Mile in the middle of the night to supposedly only draw blood on all his horses.  She went to every trainer and barn and got caught in the middle of doing it.  Apparently no trainers were aware of it.  So why does he need to send someone in the middle of the night to "draw blood" who isn't a vet and isn't licensed to even be on the track?  I bet she didn't even have blood vials on her.  How is one person supposed to carry all the needles/ syringes and vials for that many horses?  She must have been carrying a toolbox around and looked like the maintenance man  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 09:07:46 PM
Yeah, i gathered thank, TY, I meant I am trying to figure out what REALLY went on. Why would Bowden authorize suck a stupid and risky thing? Damaging his reputation, endangering his trainers and their reputations, the value of his top horses. It's just crazy. Isn't Confederate under constant supervision as many top horses have been over the years? When I was at the Meadowlands , one groom per week would switch to night security and stay up in the barn all night long, on a rotating basis. Whole thing is weird. We need more details.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: SDST2009 on October 20, 2023, 09:08:46 PM
This is all very odd and it is disappointing this has gotten no press that I can find other than here.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Generation XYZ on October 20, 2023, 09:16:44 PM
Pretty much depicts a snake dosent it? This is the most un heard of atrocity in racing thus far. Sounds like something that needs more publicity than HorsePlop
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 09:17:24 PM
Adam sent one of the girls from his farm to Red Mile in the middle of the night to supposedly only draw blood on all his horses.  She went to every trainer and barn and got caught in the middle of doing it.  Apparently no trainers were aware of it.  So why does he need to send someone in the middle of the night to "draw blood" who isn't a vet and isn't licensed to even be on the track?  I bet she didn't even have blood vials on her.  How is one person supposed to carry all the needles/ syringes and vials for that many horses?  She must have been carrying a toolbox around and looked like the maintenance man  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

The girl he sent is a large part of his operation in KY -- believe me she is no dummy -- she was there for a purpose and got caught.  As Fug commented you'd think Confederate would have 24hr. security.  If he does how in the world did he screw up his knee to the point it needed staples?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 09:17:45 PM
It is disappointing. Good choice of words. Puts the whole fucking year under a cloud of suspicion.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 09:20:06 PM
The girl he sent is a large part of his operation in KY -- believe me she is no dummy -- she was there for a purpose and got caught.  As Fug commented you'd think Confederate would have 24hr. security.  If he does how in the world did he screw up his knee to the point it needed staples?
Well, Jidge as a horseman, you know that you could have the secret service outside his stall and he could still get hurt. Horses find a million stupid ways to get hurt an we all know.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Generation XYZ on October 20, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
BOWDEN, ADAM S LEXINGTON, KY YOB 1981
Lex on 8/16/2023 FINED: $5,000
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec. 15(1)(a)(i)(q)---Adam Bowden, owner of Diamond Creek Farms, is
hereby assessed a civil penalty of $5,000. Adam Bowden cooperated in all aspects of this
investigation and took full responsibility and accountability for the actions of his employee,
farm manager Gina Dailey.

DAILEY, MRS GINA CARLISLE, KY YOB 1988
Lex on 8/16/2023 FULL - 70 DAYS, 10/23/2023 THRU 12/31/2023
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec.15 (1)(a)(i)(q)--810 KAR 8:010 Sec.3(3)----KHRC licensee Gina Daily is
hereby suspended a period of (70 days 10/23/2023 through and including 12/31/2023) and
is also excluded from the racetrack grounds and satellite facilities licensed by the KHRC
and placed on probation for 2024. Gina Dailey, Farm Manager of Diamond Creek Farm and
not being a veterinarian, entered the backstretch of The Red Mile Racetrack in Lexington
Kentucky for the purpose of obtaining blood samples from Diamond Creek owned horses.
She acted alone in obtaining these samples and testing them at the Diamond Creek lab.
Trainers of horses involved were not notified prior to Gina Dailey drawing the blood. Gina
Dailey`s cooperation and forthrightness was taken into consideration in issuance of this
ruling.

This is a joke - If she did this on her own then why?  Was she fired for this?  And why if everything was on the up n up did she do it in the middle of the night when no one was around?

Cooperated? Probaly scared shitless.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Generation XYZ on October 20, 2023, 09:23:25 PM
If she acted on her own in obtaining and testing these animals, who was given the results? What was she testing for? This make zero sense. Why was Bowden fined $5K and her 70 days? Is it because she can do the time and he can pay the crime?

Highly doubtful anything was done without direct instruction form the owner. Why would any employee act alone, UNLESS there was a suspicion of wrong doing or other directives by the owner...
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: SDST2009 on October 20, 2023, 09:23:29 PM
Well, Jidge as a horseman, you know that you could have the secret service outside his stall and he could still get hurt. Horses find a million stupid ways to get hurt an we all know.

Isn't that the truth.

Is there any possibility this is the opposite (that perhaps they suspect their horses are being given something they shouldn't)? Maybe grasping at straws but I am failing to find the logic in any direction.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 09:23:45 PM
Uncounted millions on the line.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 09:25:20 PM
Isn't that the truth.

Is there any possibility this is the opposite (that perhaps they suspect their horses are being given something they shouldn't)? Maybe grasping as straws but I am failing to find the logic in any direction.
makes as good a guess as anything else. And if they were ONLY drawing blood, just who exactly was going to analyze the sample?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Generation XYZ on October 20, 2023, 09:33:47 PM
BOWDEN, ADAM S LEXINGTON, KY YOB 1981
Lex on 8/16/2023 FINED: $5,000
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec. 15(1)(a)(i)(q)---Adam Bowden, owner of Diamond Creek Farms, is
hereby assessed a civil penalty of $5,000. Adam Bowden cooperated in all aspects of this
investigation and took full responsibility and accountability for the actions of his employee,
farm manager Gina Dailey.

DAILEY, MRS GINA CARLISLE, KY YOB 1988
Lex on 8/16/2023 FULL - 70 DAYS, 10/23/2023 THRU 12/31/2023
MEDICATION PROCEDURE VIOLATION
810 KAR 3:020 Sec.15 (1)(a)(i)(q)--810 KAR 8:010 Sec.3(3)----KHRC licensee Gina Daily is
hereby suspended a period of (70 days 10/23/2023 through and including 12/31/2023) and
is also excluded from the racetrack grounds and satellite facilities licensed by the KHRC
and placed on probation for 2024. Gina Dailey, Farm Manager of Diamond Creek Farm and
not being a veterinarian, entered the backstretch of The Red Mile Racetrack in Lexington
Kentucky for the purpose of obtaining blood samples from Diamond Creek owned horses.
She acted alone in obtaining these samples and testing them at the Diamond Creek lab.
Trainers of horses involved were not notified prior to Gina Dailey drawing the blood. Gina
Dailey`s cooperation and forthrightness was taken into consideration in issuance of this
ruling.

This is a joke - If she did this on her own then why?  Was she fired for this?  And why if everything was on the up n up did she do it in the middle of the night when no one was around?

Revoke the owners License. This is UNPRECEDENTED ACTIONS BY AN OWNER, or OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 09:40:27 PM
makes as good a guess as anything else. And if they were ONLY drawing blood, just who exactly was going to analyze the sample?
The vet that has the machines at DC.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 09:41:56 PM
Well, Jidge as a horseman, you know that you could have the secret service outside his stall and he could still get hurt. Horses find a million stupid ways to get hurt an we all know.

This is true, but before I ever put a horse in a stall it was checked for nails, screws, etc. anything that could possibly be sticking out and harm the animal. I've never had a horse get hurt so bad in a stall that it needed staples to secure a wound -- and believe me I've never had a horse come close to the value of Confederate.  I assume this happened in a stall, if it happened while turned out that's a different story.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 20, 2023, 09:46:44 PM
Aqreed on all fronts. When you are thinking Brett Pelling, you are thinking field injury or God forbid and errant fork or wheelbarrow from a careless barn worker.   The assumption is the stall is like a maternity ward and in pristine condition.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 09:47:58 PM
Adam sent one of the girls from his farm to Red Mile in the middle of the night to supposedly only draw blood on all his horses.  She went to every trainer and barn and got caught in the middle of doing it.  Apparently no trainers were aware of it.  So why does he need to send someone in the middle of the night to "draw blood" who isn't a vet and isn't licensed to even be on the track?  I bet she didn't even have blood vials on her.  How is one person supposed to carry all the needles/ syringes and vials for that many horses?  She must have been carrying a toolbox around and looked like the maintenance man  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Do you have any clue about the equipment needed to pull blood?  We are talking max 10 horses. You could easily carry the needles in 1 hand and the 20 blood tubes in 2 hands. So 2 people or maybe this new invention called pockets on a jacket
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 09:49:47 PM
Aqreed on all fronts. When you are thinking Brett Pelling, you are thinking field injury or God forbid and errant fork or wheelbarrow from a careless barn worker.   The assumption is the stall is like a maternity ward and in pristine condition.
You obviously haven’t seen the stalls at Lexington but is an absolute disgrace that trainers are expected to put the best horses in the industry on that backstretch. Yonkers barns are nice compared to Lexington
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 09:51:45 PM
This is true, but before I ever put a horse in a stall it was checked for nails, screws, etc. anything that could possibly be sticking out and harm the animal. I've never had a horse get hurt so bad in a stall that it needed staples to secure a wound -- and believe me I've never had a horse come close to the value of Confederate.  I assume this happened in a stall, if it happened while turned out that's a different story.
It didn’t happen in a stall. The groom talked Adam into letting her put him in the equine spa   He tried to jump out.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 10:00:10 PM
You obviously haven’t seen the stalls at Lexington but is an absolute disgrace that trainers are expected to put the best horses in the industry on that backstretch. Yonkers barns are nice compared to Lexington

You're absolutely correct. All the more reason to make sure the stall is safe.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 10:01:24 PM
It didn’t happen in a stall. The groom talked Adam into letting her put him in the equine spa   He tried to jump out.

That's bizarre. And where was Pelling?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 10:04:50 PM
Checking the timeline if this happened on 8/16 I'm quite certain Confederate didn't arrive at the Red Mile until after the Hempt on 8/19 -- so he wasn't present at the time of the incident.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Parked on October 20, 2023, 10:05:03 PM
How does DRAWING BLOOD  qualify as a MEDICATION PROCEDURE.?????

I expect there was more pumped in than pulled out.. 

I bet Brown feels better about losing the horse now…..

If the trainer was not involved he should tell them to get the horse out of the barn…
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 10:05:47 PM
That's bizarre. And where was Pelling?
He was looking after the rest of the barn. You going to tell the owner of the best horse in NA NO. I doubt it
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 10:11:05 PM
How does DRAWING BLOOD  qualify as a MEDICATION PROCEDURE.?????

I expect there was more pumped in than pulled out.. 

I bet Brown feels better about losing the horse now…..

If the trainer was not involved he should tell them to get the horse out of the barn…

That is a great dream but not a reality. There was 3 or 4 trainers with horses involved not 1 threw DC out of the barn. I don’t blame them I wouldn’t have either. End of season might be another discussion
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Parked on October 20, 2023, 10:17:33 PM
Their trainers could get along fine without the DC stock.  If the horses came up positive the trainer would truthfully say they didn't know how this could happen, be right but still get charged.  Probably owner would pay forthe best lawyer. 

Just another yogurt story.  What became of that..??  Some people think they are above the law and get away with it.   

Lets face it… they got caught with their filthy hands in the cookie jar….
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 10:24:40 PM
Their trainers could get along fine without the DC stock.  If the horses came up positive the trainer would truthfully say they didn't know how this could happen, be right but still get charged.  Probably owner would pay forthe best lawyer. 

Just another yogurt story.  What became of that..??  Some people think they are above the law and get away with it.   

Lets face it… they got caught with their filthy hands in the cookie jar….
So you would throw Confederate out of your barn? Knowing that it was blood tubes they got caught with. And throw away 3 breedings for life. Plus the 5% of purses for next little bit
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 20, 2023, 10:30:16 PM
Most interesting thing is no mention of Marcus Johansson (Takter). I heard he was involved when it first became backstretch news
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: JIDGE on October 20, 2023, 10:35:00 PM
He was looking after the rest of the barn. You going to tell the owner of the best horse in NA NO. I doubt it

Didn't he tell him no to the Jug.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 20, 2023, 10:38:30 PM
So you would throw Confederate out of your barn? Knowing that it was blood tubes they got caught with. And throw away 3 breedings for life. Plus the 5% of purses for next little bit
What’s Pelling to do say if in the next two weeks Confederate comes up with a hot test from Lexington . The old at first lie then deny defense.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on October 20, 2023, 11:38:49 PM
Those horses involved should be scratched.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: hoosierboy on October 21, 2023, 12:25:44 AM
Wow this is a fucking head scratcher.  That’s scary to think as a trainer your owner is sneaking someone into your stables and doing stuff after hours. 
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 21, 2023, 11:13:22 AM
Didn't he tell him no to the Jug.
Adam never had any intention of racing that horse in the jug
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Fuguzzi on October 21, 2023, 11:19:32 AM
Wow this is a fucking head scratcher.  That’s scary to think as a trainer your owner is sneaking someone into your stables and doing stuff after hours.
Yeah, especially when you are Brett Pelling
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 21, 2023, 11:22:42 AM
Yeah, especially when you are Brett Pelling
Or Takter. I wonder what Jimmy had to say when he learned his ex son in law was creeping around the barn at night
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Parked on October 21, 2023, 12:03:24 PM
So you would throw Confederate out of your barn? Knowing that it was blood tubes they got caught with. And throw away 3 breedings for life. Plus the 5% of purses for next little bit

It would make no difference what it was.  If  anyone was sent by a into my barn in the middle of the night (or anytime) to stick a needle into a horse I am training . Without my knowledge, They would be looking for a lead shank…

Its called INTREGRITY !!!!   There is no doubt that this is something that is terribly missing in several of the people involved in this fiasco….
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 21, 2023, 12:40:16 PM
Here’s a ? . What if it was a trainers owner whom the business considers and Outlaw trainer. Would it be the same penalty or lack of
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: wiseowl on October 21, 2023, 12:53:42 PM
People do stupid things there is nothing that said the horses received any kind of drug just race them all be glad you got a horse to race year is just about over.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 21, 2023, 01:06:49 PM
That’s and interesting perspective. Again I don’t think for second if it was any of the so called outlaw trainers the KRC would have acted the same. Owner , horse, groom, guy picking up garbage by the barn ,all would have been suspended.
This is exactly why this business is heading in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Parked on October 22, 2023, 09:14:25 AM
Money talks and s—t talks…
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: White Rabbit on October 22, 2023, 09:18:06 AM
Does it ever. He walked into the Diamond Creek winners circle
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: helpplease on October 22, 2023, 12:14:07 PM
Or Takter. I wonder what Jimmy had to say when he learned his ex son in law was creeping around the barn at night

Jimmy might say.... oh shit something similar happened to me years ago in Canada. I hope he gets off as easy as I did.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Brown jug on October 22, 2023, 12:58:17 PM
maybe he will "retire" like jimmy did ...LOL!!!
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Mailbox Money on October 22, 2023, 02:20:26 PM
That would be too funny if it really did repeat itself  ngc3 but more like Who-fukin-larry-us!  ngc3
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: wizardofoz on October 22, 2023, 04:44:25 PM
If you keep allowing other horses to dictate the pace in these races, sooner or later you will get beat, as happened to several other top horses there this weekend.  At this stage, Confederate should be leading at EVERY half mile pole in every race remaining, 'no bout a doubt it'.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Generation XYZ on October 22, 2023, 05:40:53 PM
Bottom line is as I said before... Revoke the owners License. This is UNPRECEDENTED ACTIONS BY AN OWNER, or OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE. This is monumental.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: shotgunner on October 22, 2023, 06:03:40 PM
Bottom line is as I said before... Revoke the owners License. This is UNPRECEDENTED ACTIONS BY AN OWNER, or OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE. This is monumental.
It’s a nothing burger. I appreciate that they actually took their punishment upfront instead of having the USTA and the state bury it until after award season and syndication rights sold before coming out with an actual positive.

Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Brown jug on October 22, 2023, 06:38:04 PM
maybe they had no choice but to take it now
maybe the usta got a set of balls and said these are your choices and they all involved immediate action and fines/penalties
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Generation XYZ on October 22, 2023, 09:23:54 PM
maybe they had no choice but to take it now
maybe the usta got a set of balls and said these are your choices and they all involved immediate action and fines/penalties

I think this in more in line with what went down. irregardless. Its unheard of.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: wizardofoz on October 22, 2023, 11:23:56 PM
If this happened in Yellowstone, they would be taken to the 'train station'.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 23, 2023, 12:53:42 AM
Anyone else in the industry gets a min of one yr. suspension and that for a random search.  These two got caught in the middle of the night pulling blood and god knows what else to a bunch of horses.  They were caught in the act with needles.  That's automatic expulsion.  That's worse than getting caught with a tube and funnel.  You CAN'T just go in and start needling your horse.  This hasn't received near the attention it should.  If one of Bafftert's owners had been caught they would never let poor Bob race anywhere every again!
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 23, 2023, 01:07:46 AM
I emailed my comments to editor@harnessracingupdate.com, admin@harnesslink.com, editor@thetdn.com, garyking@thetdn.com, jgural@gfpre.com, ray@paulickreport.com, steve@harnesslink.com, & suefinley@thetdn.com so we will see if they even acknowledge my email. 
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Parked on October 23, 2023, 07:07:24 AM
Their comments , if any, will be interesting.  It will show what publications are legitimate and which are put it under the rug type. 
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: shotgunner on October 23, 2023, 07:41:52 AM
Anyone else in the industry gets a min of one yr. suspension and that for a random search.  These two got caught in the middle of the night pulling blood and god knows what else to a bunch of horses.  They were caught in the act with needles.  That's automatic expulsion.  That's worse than getting caught with a tube and funnel.  You CAN'T just go in and start needling your horse.  This hasn't received near the attention it should.  If one of Bafftert's owners had been caught they would never let poor Bob race anywhere every again!
On what Earth do you live?

Literally nothing in this post is true.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: dinkadoo on October 23, 2023, 07:53:53 AM
swept under the rug

nothing to see here boys

move along

LOOOOOOOOK...... squirrel
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 23, 2023, 11:39:02 AM
On what Earth do you live?

Literally nothing in this post is true.
Since you are the only one on this board to disagree could you expound on your comments?
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 23, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
Since you are the only one on this board to disagree could you expound on your comments?
Please name some names. Who has ever been expelled immediately after getting caught with needles and syringes?  Moggello was the latest to get caught and he still racing
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Miguel_Sanchez on October 23, 2023, 04:34:14 PM
Please name some names. Who has ever been expelled immediately after getting caught with needles and syringes?  Moggello was the latest to get caught and he still racing

Anyone at Meadows that has ever been caught gets a min of one yr.  I would have to go back through fines & suspensions to pull names but I can assure you I read it every Friday as a habit like the sports section and I don't ever remember someone getting less than a year.
Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: shotgunner on October 23, 2023, 06:52:25 PM
Anyone at Meadows that has ever been caught gets a min of one yr.  I would have to go back through fines & suspensions to pull names but I can assure you I read it every Friday as a habit like the sports section and I don't ever remember someone getting less than a year.
The only one I can think of getting a year (15 days was the actual suspension but they didn’t let him back for a year) might have been Buzzy Sholty and that’s cause he went ballistic on security when it happened iirc.

Literally I found like 3 and they were all 15-30 days.



Title: Re: Maybe Confederate not a super horse!
Post by: Stan durbread on October 23, 2023, 08:35:45 PM
Anyone at Meadows that has ever been caught gets a min of one yr.  I would have to go back through fines & suspensions to pull names but I can assure you I read it every Friday as a habit like the sports section and I don't ever remember someone getting less than a year.

That’s funny. It is PA Commission. Appeal tell winter then drop appeal and they reduce to 15 days. Enjoy your Caribbean cruise
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